SUMMARY KEYWORDS people, banks, money, control, system, inflation, understand, happen, point, debt, create, digital, problem, power, years, collapse, buying, interest rates, supply, world SPEAKERS Will Dove, Mark Davidson   Will Dove  00:00 I've been fighting for our rights and freedoms for almost three years now. I literally lie awake at night trying to understand the globalist agenda. I have reasoned that if I can understand their plan, if I could really know what it is that they want, then I can figure out ways to counter them, because I would know what they're going to do before they do it.   Mark Davidson  00:23 depopulation and control are not the ultimate goals, their means to an end. But what and   Will Dove  00:31 most of you know, the globalists have been planning this attack upon our rights and freedoms for decades.   Mark Davidson  00:37 But why? What do they want? Part of the answer   Will Dove  00:41 lies in understanding that everyone is the hero of their own story? Are these people sociopathic mass murderers? Of course they are. But they see themselves as our saviors. In part three of this series with Mark Davidson, he explains their ultimate goal. This interview, in fact, this entire three part series, is the result of an hour's long conversation I had with Mark a few weeks ago, a conversation in which he gave me the key, the key to understanding their entire agenda. And as with all things in the world of these so called globalist elites, the answer lies with money. Mark, welcome back.   Mark Davidson  01:35 Well, good to be here.   Will Dove  01:36 I have to say that of the three interviews we're doing this is the one I've been looking forward to the most, because folks, I have understood for a long time, that depopulation and control is not the end goal of the globalist it's a means to an end. But I have to admit, I started figuring out what the end was. And a few weeks ago, Mark, and I had a long conversation, and he gave me the answer, Mark, I'm gonna let you explain it.   Mark Davidson  02:03 Essentially, the problem is that we live in a world have limited resources, and we have a financial system that is run in a way that we have to keep inflation low. As we hear all this talk in the financial media, we have to control inflation, because inflation takes off, it will destabilize our financial system. The problem is that when population is growing, and you have limited resources, the inevitable results we're seeing now, is inflation is gonna go up, you've got too many people have too much demands for too few goods, right? That's the simplest explanation we have. Who's whose population growing right now is actually Asia. That's what's driving the current problem.  When the United States was sort of controlling everything, we can control our own domestic demand. But we can't control what's happening in China and the rest of Asia. So those people are buying up goods, and that's forcing the price of everything out which wage inflation go up. And you know, this, it gets complicated because the average person doesn't study finance. But when inflation goes up, we have to raise interest rates as you're seeing now. And what people need to understand about the current financial system is very different to the past people can point to Well, we had inflation in the 1970s. Yeah, but we didn't have a financial system like we have now, which is completely based on debt and credit. Okay, that's what's changed.  So if you think of yourself, if you owed $100,000, and your mortgage, and the interest rate goes from 3% to 6%, well, that's a big increase, but you can deal with it. But what if your mortgage is half a million? If you look at the prices of houses and the cost of living now, the debt is not just people, it's corporations and its government federal debt is astronomic corporate debt is astronomic and personal days astronomic. So we can't The reason the interest rate has been zero in your bank account for 20 years is because with so much debt, we can't deal with interest rates going up. Right. So now now, they've gone up rapidly because it's out of the control due to population. So there's a group of people called I don't know if you've heard of this will MMT or Modern Monetary Theory who believe that a solution is a world where we can create infinite money and a computer and that way, we don't create inflation.  That's where they want to get to. So how, how do we get there, the only way you can get there is two things. But one is either to increase the supply of goods, but we've got limited resources. So we ultimately were limited by what was growable was buildable or you control the demand and otherwise have less people that the depopulation a big part of it is that's the only variable of that We control that their real goal is this MMT is to be able to create infinite money and not create inflation. Why? Why do they want that? And if I explained this year, well, because they, they're great, if you read the great reset, they want to go to a world where you own nothing. If you own nothing, you need the government to give you a living wage, right. But they can't give you a living wage in the current system, because it will cause massive inflation. Will Dove  05:23 Right. Mark Davidson  05:27 That covered all the bases. But that's the, Will Dove  05:30 I think we've laid the groundwork. And this is, folks, this is going to be a bit of a complicated conversation because we financial concepts, but I think we can explain it between Mark and I to a point where anybody who's willing to pay attention will be able to understand this. So I think what we have to start with this idea of supply and demand. And as you said, they can't control the supply. For several reasons. One, as you already pointed out, resources are limited, not as limited as they would like us all to believe. But they are limited. There's only so much oil, there's only so much wheat, there's only so much of anything, if we think of the dollar, or currency as a commodity. And we have to think of it as a commodity for the illustration of this. Our governments recently, both the US government and ours here in Canada, have responded to this whole COVID pandemic by printing more money. So anytime you make more of something, you devalue each individual unit. And if you keep printing infinite money, you what you end up with is something that has no value. It's worthless. Mark Davidson  06:39 That's what we will call monetary inflation. Okay, so that's exactly that's inflation by the devaluation of the currency is is it? Yeah, there's different types of inflation. So you're correct that that's, that's been going on forever, ever since central banks have upgraded, they've been devaluing their currency. Will Dove  06:55 Exactly. And they've been doing that, because the vast majority of money that is in circulation is not, in fact, cash its debt, which is created by typing numbers into computers, or in the old days, writing numbers into a ledger and "money" magically appears that the borrower has to pay back principal and interest in cash. And so the more of this that they make, the less valuable each dollar becomes. And so they created this monster a long time ago. We could talk about the creation of the first private Central Bank in Germany 300 years ago, when the first Fractional Reserve Banking Act. But if it goes back even farther than that, you can go all the way back to ancient Rome, when the Emperor's can recall the denarii. And they would melt them down. And they would say, Well, if you give us 10 dinar, it will give you back 11. Well, how were they doing that? Well, because they were giving them copper or brass chords. And every time they did this, they diluted the amount of silver that was in the Denari. So they're, it's an imaginary system of more money, it's not really more money. They're devaluing it. And so we're seeing the same thing now, Mark Davidson  07:59 Well, let me let me just say something that's kind of got us in this mess, because so that comes from a guy who was a famous economist called Milton Friedman in the 80s. So we were having a lot of economic problems, he came up this theory. So in the 90s, the, the measurement of that is called the money supply was going up and up and up, but inflation was staying low. And these economists was scratching their head saying, Well, what's going on here? How is monetary theory wrong? And so this, this is what led to this development of this modern monetary theory? Because they say, Well, look, you know, it turns out we don't create This is this is exactly the point well, that they don't believe in that. They said, look, it doesn't create monetary inflation. Right. But the reason that it wasn't happening is that they ignored the fact that we're one country in a global economy. Will Dove  08:51 No they're not, I think we have to make a very clear statement that a lot of what Mark and I are doing right now is we're exploring all this from the perspective of the globalist who are making this happen. Do not think for a second, that we are in any way sympathetic to what they're doing. We're simply trying to explain it from their perspective, what they're doing is evil, it needs to be stopped. But it's important in psychology to understand that everyone is the hero of their own story. These people at the top, they're not, it's not some cartoon, they're not sitting around in their mountain hold cackling and rubbing their hands together with glee over the number of people they're killing or crippling with the shots or no, they actually think they're saving the world. Mark Davidson  08:51 So we were sort of borrowing the disinflation from the rest of the world, the rest of the world was in a sort of deflationary period. And we were borrowing that and that was masking our monitor as getting complicated fuel, but it was it masked that so now what's happening is that the Asia is going into an inflationary period. And now we're seeing the true effect. That's why how can it be that we had no inflation it was time and suddenly we have a list inflation was not sudden it's we're catching up to that monetary effect now. It's half of it and the other half is that the supply disruptions that happened with COVID. But really, you know, if you want to get into this, but Russia and China have formed an alliance against Europe and the United States and they have been buying up the world's commodities for several years. So that is pushing on commodity prices. So it's the two things combined that we're catching up to that monetary inflation you're talking about. So there's this monetary theory is being totally disproved, yet they're not gonna give up on it, Will Dove  10:44 But they're doing it in a very self interested way. Because if you look at this financial crisis that's coming, and it is already happening, it is coming, it is inevitable, it is going to happen because they created a Frankenstein's monster in this monetary system, where they could just create infinite amount of money to the point where it was eventually going to become valueless. So what is money to them? Is not what it is to most of us. Money to us this is life, it's, we can pay our bills we can have a home to live in, we can put food on the table, they have so much that all of those basic needs are no longer a factor to these people money. No, money is power. That's what it is. And you have to get it out of your heads that to them they see it as money at all. It's not money, it's power.  And they have created a system and who are the globalist Well, the globalists are wealthy industrialists who own all these huge corporations and conglomerations, and through that they have power. And so they saw what was coming that this inflationary system was going to eventually remove all of their wealth. It doesn't matter if you have trillions if the dollar is worthless. And so they had to find a way to stop that from happening to maintain their power. And so the answer, as you've already pointed out, you can't control the supply. And so they're attempting to control the demand through depopulation, reducing the number of people and then gaining control over the people who are left, so that you can determine what they can buy, where they can go what they can do. And that if they can do that, that allows them to maintain their power structure. Mark Davidson  12:23 Yeah, I mean, central bankers have been, from their point of view, grappling with, you know, inflation. And then they would say that, well, look, we only control the money supply, we don't control federal debt. Look, these irresponsible governments bring debt that's out of our hands. So they they want a system where they have more control, right. Will Dove  12:43 Who's loaning the money to the government's most of the private central banks? Mark Davidson  12:48 Well, I've got well, governments also create their own debt, they, the Treasury Department, so they go to the bond market, and they sell us the foreign central banks and other people. So they've got multiple avenues of craziness that I mean, to say that, I was thinking, I'm saying to you that even by the mid 1990s, this was called too big to fail. What that meant was, well, we can't have a recession, because the entire financial system, and this is what people in the know was saying then, well, you know, now we're at the Mount Olympus of too big to fail, because what they did was is the example I give to people who say you were owing $100,000, and you don't have enough money to pay, what you do is you go to the bank down the road, and you borrow 200,000 from them pay off 100,000, you got 100,000 to live life.  Well, the central banks have been doing that they've been bailing out everybody until the point where they now as like the lender would call the lender of last resort. And that system works until one day somebody calls in your loan says, Oh, by the way, will we need that money back? Well, now now what you're going to do, and what calls in the central to financial systems note if you like is if if interest rates were ever to go up, because of inflation due to commodity prices, then it's all over. And that's what's happening. There's just no way our financial system can tolerate interest rates going up. It just can't. So what I predicted I said to you and you're seeing it already, is so many businesses are gonna go bust banks are starting to go under most of the banks are gonna go down. They don't deal with it. There isn't. We have FDIC insurance, the United States but there isn't a fund that actually pay that out. I think this $18 trillion in deposits, and there's 400 billion or 40 billion in the in the fund. Will Dove  14:40 Yes. And you're a young graduate, you've hit that point. They're gonna bring that up in the US. You've had three major banks fail in the last few weeks. Just one of those banks SBC. I believe it is. They have more in deposits than the FDIC has in insurance funds. And that's just one bank. I did the math left on it and discovered that what they have in the FDIC is less than 2% of the total value of deposits in the US that they can't possibly pay everyone out. It's a house of cards. Mark Davidson  15:11 It's a bluff. Like, if we were ever to have a real bank run, it's all over the No, you know, and the thing is, in the 1930s, we had a bank run peope, you had to go to your bank and queue up. Now you can just get on your phone and press two buttons, prizes. And so this thing, it could easily get out of control, I mean, very, very easily. So that's another element of this. It's a powder keg, it's been known for a very long time. But the thing that calls in this is, is this rise in inflation, something they can't control, they can't stop trying to rush or buying commodities, or withholding, you know, breaking the supply chain, which forces our prices up. Now they have to rebuild the bond market raises rates on them, and then the Fed follow, they have no control over this.  So that I said I call it the box, there's no way out that box in, people think what they can do is that they can print more money to print more demand, which will make inflation go up, which will make the bond market set off. So another element this we need to talk about is that the reason we could have interest rates low, and the reason that monetary inflation didn't happen is that China and other central banks sent all their dollars here to buy they bought our treasury notes, which kept our rates low. But what was starting to happen now, is there Stein to sell that, right.  So we call this dollar hedge money that America was the safest place, every time there was a crisis in the world, everybody ran to US Treasuries and hid there. But now the crisis is actually in the United States. So the more likely thing to happen is that they'll start to sell that, and then our rates could go out of control, and they could go up and up and up, and the dollar could get, you know, could crash. I'm not sure that we're quite there yet. But that that's the end game that everybody in the know, has known for a long time. That is the end game, if if foreign countries sell US Treasuries, there will be no coming back, that will be what people call this reset, that will be it. There's nothing the Federal Reserve Bank can do at that point, Will Dove  17:16 -- which brings us to their statement that everybody by now has heard you will own nothing, and you will be happy, because how do they fix this? Well, basically, they go to Central Bank digital currency, which is nothing but really pretend money. It's, it doesn't even really exist. It's a concept as all it is, Mark Davidson  17:33 Is money as a means of transaction. Yes. But it's not money in the sense of ownership. So like I say, I could give you a million dollars in digital money. But it doesn't really become money until you actually spend it. And then they can control that element of it. So they control the demand by controlling when you when and what you can spend it on. Will Dove  17:57 Which brings us to the question that almost nobody asks, and everybody shouldn't be, if we don't own anything. Well, who does? They do? Right. And if they own everything, and We own nothing, they can control the demand, they can control what we get and maintain. Mark Davidson  18:16 It give you a living wage. They'll count though, right? Let's say when this happens, I don't really see much way out of it this, this collapse happens. And what's going to happen is you're going to wake up and you're no sharp will transact your cash or your credit card. You don't have a job right now everything would be like martial law and lock downs again. And they'll come to us and say, Oh, we have a way out of this, you know, we're going to save everybody, we have this thing this digital will give everybody a digital living wage. And everything will start working again. And everybody will say oh, you know, you saved us. Thanks very much.  But like everything is a double edged sword. Right? So they forced us into this crisis to not and in that crisis. You won't think about it. If if people have a memory, I wonder if they remember this the 2008 financial crisis, the markets were dropping, and the banks were actually failing then and they said to people, we're going to have to bail out the banks, and they did a poll and everyone said, no, no, no, we're not bailing out the banks. The Dow fell 4000 points in two weeks. And everybody said, Oh, for God's sake, please bail out the banks. And then after that, they said, you know, they painted themselves as saviors. Well, I'll tell you why the Dow fell 4000 points because you wouldn't accept the bailout. They would have kept dropping the Dow until you accepted it. Right. They control it.  That means that's what you're up against. Okay, so is this the same thing they manufacturing this case is more of a real crisis, but it's due to their own policies like where he ended up here. They're going to use that crisis. Never let a crisis go to waste they're going to give themselves and other power, which is this digital currency which you will think He was He saved me, you know, I have now have money. But the downside of it we talked about is that they'll tie it to compliance, they'll tie it to a social credit system as they've already done in China. And in theory, you have money in the bank, but if you don't do what they tell you, then you can't actually use it. Will Dove  20:21 And something that people aren't thinking about, and you've pointed this out in your notes to me, okay, they're gonna come along and save you and one of the carrots is going to be what your debts gonna be wiped out. Right? Oh, but there's a dark side to that, you know, okay, let's, let's say you're talking to a person who has 60% of their house has a mortgage. Mark Davidson  20:40 Right? We just have to sign away property, right? Will Dove  20:43 Like, who owns who owns your house, now? They do. You're just became a tenant. And staying in that house is dependent upon compliance. Mark Davidson  20:52 Right? I don't see how else you get to the great reset, I've thought it through like there's no other way to get where they want to go other than doing this, I just don't think they're going to miss They're not stupid, they're not going to miss the opportunity. If we have this huge financial crisis, which is inevitable, even if it's not tomorrow, or in a month or a year, it's going to happen in in the foreseeable 510 years of the absolute max, I don't see any way we could get into that. For that to happen. To be honest, I think it's sooner. Now, now these banks are failing. They're not going to miss the opportunity. I know, people we were chatting before, like, you know, there might be issues with digital currency, but they're not going to miss the opportunity to at least move in this direction of a livable wage. It combines with some of the things we've talked about right AI is one of the things we didn't talk about is going to replace a lot of jobs. So they're going to say to people look, this is great. It's what they used to call a leisure society, we're going to have the leisure society, you don't have to work. You can stay at home all day, playing video games and on social media. And, you know, it'd be great though. They're gonna sell it on all positives, but we know what the negatives are. Next time there's another pan pandemic, you won't have the option of not taking the shot because your current social credit score will go to zero and you won't be able to live. Will Dove  22:19 You know, you were just made reference to people staying home playing video games will if people are familiar with who Yuval Harare is Klaus Schwab's right hand. psychopath, right? You know, when he was asked, and we've actually got this on video when he was asked, Well, what do you do with all of these? Essentially what they consider to be useless people? His answer was, well keep them happy with drugs and video games. Mark Davidson  22:42 Wow. Yeah, I didn't I hadn't heard that. But yes, Will Dove  22:45 That's pretty much exactly what he said, You got to understand that state within the context of what we've just been talking about. Because they're planning this, they know this is coming. And they know they're going to end up with a whole bunch of people who are unemployed, essentially, now own nothing, because they had to opt into the central bank digital currency system. So what do you do with those people? Well, you keep them happy with drugs and video games, because there's nothing for them to do. Mark Davidson  23:09 This Metaverse, which most people probably don't know what that is. But it's essentially branding as computers sit virtual reality of reality. And then living in that, because that's better than your actual life, which will definitely be true after this happens. Yeah, so you can escape into this virtual reality. We see this culture everywhere, young people, you know, obsessed with fantasy and escapism. So sort of encouraging that. Will Dove  23:39 Even the popularity of video games for the last 30-40 years. Why? Why why especially do young men graduate or gravitate towards video games rather than real life? Well, it's because the human brain reward system can't tell the difference between virtual reward and a real one. And those games will give you those reward hits a lot faster than real life well, and a lot easier. And so now you just take it one step further, and instead of disengaging from life for a while to play a game, they disengage from life entirely. And their entire existence becomes this metaverse. Mark Davidson  24:11 I think that's more of a longer term. And the thing about the metaverse is we're talking about this economic element that finally lets you control supply because what they want there is trackable liquid trackable everything. So now you have a digital trackable object in that a reflection of the real world so you know where everything is in real time. So you can you can sort of, we talked about predictive programming, you can figure out supply issues before they happen and you can you can manage all that. So I mean, the thing about all these things is that if we were doing a sort of tea, tea, the talk presentation, we could sell all the positive reasons look, I can intellectually say that this financial stuff system is brilliant, you know, to go to a system where you could give everybody a million dollars, doesn't create inflation, lets people live this this leisure society on the face of it.  This sounds utopian. But the problem is that the the, like technology, like nuclear weapons is a nuclear power, there's nuclear weapons, like every technology can be used. And it's the same with this, you've got to consider what the price you're paying is, right. And the price here is gonna be, you know, giving up essentially old freedom to be controlled by a centralized authority, I don't believe I don't know, if I put in my notes, I do not believe that's gonna be your government, it's going to be a global entity, it has to be a global entity, because you cannot do this system. Just in the United States, it has to be a global demand supply system. Will Dove  25:50 It has to be because otherwise people will migrate to someplace where they have freedom. So they want to make sure there are no places where you have freedom. Mark Davidson  25:56 And they can't be run by people either, Will. I think this is where why they're going to push AI so much, because it would be you'd have to do it through computer data and AI that is in real time managing all of this and saying sorry, citizen in in, you know, we're in Toronto, Canada. You can't have groceries today, because there's a predictive programming says an oncoming supply problem. I mean, is it there's no question, this is where they want to go. Will Dove  26:27 And to give a picture of just how totalitarian how tight the control could be. I want to put together two facts for you. In China, right now they have cameras in school classrooms. And those cameras monitor the faces of the children to make sure they're paying attention, especially during the the social programming part of the day, the indoctrination part, and if you're not paying attention, your social credit court score will be penalized. Now, let's tie that to another thing. I was watching a video the other day, and this is one of those double edged swords you were talking about. This could be a very good technology, or it could be a horrifying one.  They've been talking about delivery of goods by drones for years now, right, but there's been a few problems with it. One of them being noise. Another one being precision, you know, you don't want to have a drone with that can carry 50 pounds. It's got four grippy propellers on it landing in your yard, I mean, it could mince your kid or your dog or whatever. So what they've got now is, and these are actually already operating drones that stay up about 400 feet, and they lower another drone on a table. And this drone also has propellers on it so it can steer itself left, right and be very, very, it can drop a package right on your porch. Okay, so now let's combine those two thoughts. In a society where you own nothing, they own and control everything. So now the grocery stores are closed, you can't go to a grocery store anymore, because they said, well, we'll just deliver the goods to you. Mark Davidson  28:01 Well, I mean, that causes global warming with your giant carbon footprint guys in the store, you come on to that Will Dove  28:07 exactly. And there's their justification for shutting it down. And the 15 Minute cities and they don't want you going anywhere you can stay in your house, you stay in your part, we don't go anywhere. So if you and we talked about this in our AI interview, the constant monitoring via algorithms, predictive algorithms that can not only monitor what you do, but predict what you might do, and now your food supply, it's not something you have in your refrigerator that would last a week or in your freezer, that would last a month. Yeah, it's meal to meal. And it just delivered on your doorstep by a drone. And if your social credit score isn't up to snuff, you don't get your delivery. Mark Davidson  28:46 Yeah, it's complete a world of complete and utter control. I mean, Will Dove  28:51 - and the technology for all of that already exists, already exists it's already there. Mark Davidson  28:55 Yeah. And it's just finding the excuse and the the 1% to 5% who are resisting all of this right now. You know, compliant. collectivists Will Dove  29:07 NBow, let's talk about that 1% to 5%. Because there are ways to sidestep a system like that. For example, when we are talking about the house, and people have a mortgage, okay. But there are people who don't have mortgages, right? My wife and I are one of them, we own our house. Well, they can't take it from us, we own it. So they got a problem there, they can't control our accommodation. Now, let's say that we tie into or one of the things I'm planning to do is to build a garden wall in our garage, where it's protected from the winter cold where we can grow our own vegetables, fruits year round. Then if tie into a farming collective or ranching collective where you can get your meat and you can keep it in your freezer. Okay? There are ways to sidestep this system, but they're not going to sit back and just let us continue on with that. If they were to get a system like this in place, they're going to come out after us. And so I think what do you foresee? In those terms of what are they going to do to those of us who do manage to sidestep that system? Mark Davidson  30:07 I foresee a sort of two tier societies is what's gonna happen, those that buy into this new system? And they just live a life of completely controlled by the system? And then people who opt out? I don't know. I mean, that's the question that what they let people live in this other sort of go back to barter. Live completely off grid, but in big where we're seeing it now, right, we're seeing these giant tent cities we're seeing. I know so many people that live in their van. I think that's a question. I don't know the answer a lot of what your thoughts are now, I doubt I think they would tolerate a certain amount. But if if those people challenged or question the system, then I think we'd have a problem. Why if you weren't happy to live off grid, and live this life, but not challenge what they're doing? That might be okay. But if they saw a challenge, we see this suddenly, last couple of years, but in general, like, if anybody questions, anything, they have a strategy to deal with those people. Right? So what that could be, I don't want to be pessimistic and negative. But I think we could see, I mentioned one, which is, you know, unleashing maybe a pandemic, on those people a designer weapon on those people was one example of something they could do. Will Dove  31:26 I mean, unless you're completely off the grid. If your power button shut off your jobs, yeah, you have to be completely, in fact, to be completely autonomous, which is extremely difficult to do and, and I think that's the answer is that there are going to be people who will be able to do that. But they will be such a small fraction of the population, they'll just ignore them. Mark Davidson  31:44 Just small enough, they can ignore them. But if it ends up being a lot of people, then it's a problem Will Dove  31:50 Now that we've scared the hell out of people. Let's talk about reasons why this might not work, why their plan, just, it may not turn out the way they're trying to make it turn out, Mark Davidson  32:02 the issue is going to be timing, if they can I call this the controlled demolition, if they can control the sequence of events, then they will be able to do it. But it's very difficult to control these events, because they don't control the variables. I think one of the things I've said to you before is I'm not sure that that Putin or in Russia, or Xi in China are necessarily I think that they understand the plan. And they say they're going along with it. But But human beings are by their nature, you know, duplicitous, I think they'd be a power grab here, you know, so then they could do that the biggest concern I've had along is that we have put ourselves in a position in Europe and the United States where we have essentially handed the detonator to the Chinese.  They mean that they could bring down our financial system anytime they want, they just sell their treasury notes. So, you know, we're assuming here that the power leads here are going to control this, but I don't think I think what's very likely to happen is that Russia and China and some other countries are going to take this opportunity to destabilize your opinion in America. And then all bets are off. Like I mean, anything could happen. And we could have mass rioting. I mean, what are people going to do if they wake up tomorrow, and their credit cards don't work? And nobody will take cash? I mean, it's going to be absolute. Look what happened with COVID, that was literally nothing and people virtually lost their minds. I mean, imagine something like this, you know, America, you know, as a lot of people with weapons is this could turn into a sort of an apocalyptic scenario, it really could in very quickly. Will Dove  33:44 But then let's, let's take a broader view and be a little bit more altruistic in terms of the entire human race. Because I think you've just given a key there. You've said, Okay, your hand China, the weapon, a detonator. But that assumes that if America and Europe and obviously Canada along with America, we all go down in flames, well, the guy holding the detonator is fine. China will walk through it, Russia will probably walk through and there'll be, there'll be fine. So it's not like the human race is going to end. Mark Davidson  34:14 Plus they already got their populations under China is already under a social credit and their population already conditioned to do what they're told and not rise up. So they won't have a problem like we would. Will Dove  34:26 I think what we have to point out at this point in time is that Mark's given us a lot of thoughts. I'm certainly no financial expert. Do we have a plan that we can give you that will prevent all of this from happening? No, we don't. But that doesn't mean that it's going to happen. It doesn't mean it's gonna happen the way they want it to happen. As Mark pointed out, there's a heck of a lot of variables here. Yeah. The more you, the more you increase the complexity with these variables, the less likely it is to turn out the way they think it's going to or the way they want it to.  And I've got an interview coming up very soon with a CEO of a credit union here in Canada who understands finance in a very deep level. And he's of the opinion that they don't have the technology to create CBDCs. And to make them work on a global scale. Now, I can't at this point until time tell you exactly why. That'll have to wait for the interview. But he makes some very good points. And so what we're trying to do here, Mark, tonight is we're not trying to scare the hell out of you. We're trying to help you understand the globalist goal. What are they after? What's what's driving all of this. And when you look at this concept of controlling the demand, rather than controlling the supply, everything that has happened so far, fits into that the COVID narrative, the lockdowns, this Patos, CBDCs, and digital IDs and social credit scores and the surveillance and the AI. All of it fits into that framework of controlling the demand for depopulation, control controlling. Mark Davidson  35:54 I call it so controlling the sequence of events. And what they don't want is this uncontrolled distraction, right? Because then they lose control, they want to control this, and like we talked about, like the COVID, will lock downs, this sort of training, because we're going to have a period here, they were training us all to accept that you can see all the pieces on the on the board of what they need here. And the question is timing, I think that's the only question, when is this? These bank runs? I think, you know, that's the, that's alarming if they can't, it's like an avalanche.  If they can't stop that, that could could push them into this earlier. And they may not be able to implement the digital. I don't know about that. What I do know is they're gonna have to do in terms of your people listening like, Well, where do I put my money? I think that that's the key question I've been talking to a lot of people manage money. And we're all saying that's the biggest challenge here. Because, for example, your bank account, as we said, is FDIC insured insured up to 250,000. But there's no guarantee that they will honor that. In this scenario. Same with money market funds. So if you have a 401K, which I manage, and you put it in money markets was no guarantee that you'll ever see that money. I mean, same with all the all the rules will be off in this scenario. So you said to me, maybe the only thing you could, you know, guaranteed to worry is buying real world things, you know, actual goods and having them property that you own. Maybe some means a transaction like gold or something that historically has worked, I do feel they will destroy all the all the alternatives like crypto, they have to, you know, digital cannot be done right now. Because maybe that was the down the road and they get pushed into doing this, they're still going to set up their framework for that. For example, one of the things that they could do as an interim measure is just bank cash. So they'll move to a cashless society, because credit in a way actually is like a type of digital, because it's the thing about cash is you can't track it very easily, and it's not really time. Whereas credit cards, you can track the transaction, you can stop the transaction, that would be an insurance that they could do is it is a cashless society. And I think this is happening quite a few places that they're already kind of implementing that. Will Dove  38:30 And I think if we can give people some hope here, that that this nightmare scenario is not going to happen. If you gave them the key when you said, what they're really trying to do is a controlled demolition. Because there's no question that this financial system I have right now is going to collapse. It can't be maintained, it's a house of cards, it's going to fall apart. But if it collapses, piecemeal, now people have time to respond. You know, let's say a whole bunch of banks in the US go under and a whole bunch of of depositors find that the FDIC is not going to to reimburse them. Your life. Okay, but a lot of other people see that happen and go, Oh, well, we need to move our money out of this current financial system and to put it somewhere else. Brett Oland the CEO of Bow Valley Credit Union here in Alberta. I'm going to be interviewing soon. Their credit union is the only bank in Canada that backs deposits with gold. Right? So there are alternatives that people not people who are part of this power structure, can construct to as an alternative to the current financial system. And so that controlled demolition you're talking about is essential to their plans. Because if it comes down piecemeal, outside of their control, people see it happening and they start to respond. They have to have this global collapse happen all at once. Yeah, so that they can then bring in the CBDC's digital ID system, to replace it with because otherwise people aren't gonna accept it. They'll go for something else that allows them to maintain their freedom and their autonomy. Mark Davidson  39:59 Here's my take Will. They, you know, I can't I'm not Nostradamus. I'm basing this on, as I say, on math, because I build financial models, and I've been fairly successful predicting these things, I believe that that end game scenario is still quite is ideally for them quite a way off, I'm thinking, you know, let's say 2026 28, even 30. And that they will do everything they can right now to stop an uncle. So every bank that is in trouble, they're gonna bail them out, right? They'll do whatever it takes, because ultimately, once the system is essentially bankrupted whatever they created, and it is all going to go away anyway. So it doesn't really matter. This is why I think governments are spending insane amounts of money, because they also know that federal debt is going to go away, essentially, we have to bankrupt the existing system to move to this new system.  So it's like Monopoly money to them, it doesn't matter 6 trillion more on the federal deficit. I mean, people are just not asking these questions like, why would you be running these incredible deficits? Right? I mean, the the American deficit is 125% of GDP. This is like a banana republic and the media don't talk about it. Now let's talk about the Federal Reserve have created 10 trillion of what we call quantitative easing, which is money out of thin air to buy bonds. They're all doing this because when the system changes, or it doesn't matter, right, so they can do whatever it takes right now to try to duct tape and bandaid, the system. So that's the only good thing because that buys us time. Yes, to think about this. Will Dove  41:39 Right? It does. And I think you make a very good point that they themselves are going to work to maintain the current system until such time as they can have that controlled demolition. Yes. And so you're right, that buys us time, it's not going to save everybody, if I'm just not going to save the majority of people. But those of us who understand what's going on, and are looking for solutions, I believe we will find them Mark Davidson  42:00 As an opportunity, if you understand is, I mean, no one can see the future. But the probabilities as they stand right now, is that that we're not gonna have like right now cataclysmic crash in the stock market or all this stuff. They don't want that they don't, they want this slow, like cool, slow descent, a controlled descent until they're ready until they've got all their ducks in a row. And like you said, and it doesn't sound like I don't know, too much about implementation of digital currency. But if that piece is missing, well, they'll wait. They'll try and put it off. Yes, so that's the good news. But you you have to think about this is what I'm saying to people in my own life is that you got to think about what could happen and have a strategy for what your what ifs, what if tomorrow, this happens?  What are you going to do? You've got to plan ahead. You know, everybody I know, I was saying to you, like, some of these people are very financially savvy, but they sort of, I don't know how to politely say this, but they have their head in the sand. Let's say that. Well, you know, in the past that central bank just save us every time they just print money. But what I'm trying to explain to them is a this time, it's out of their hands, someone because there's other countries who are having it. And secondly, I don't believe this time, they want to say this, because that part of the plan to say we've had enough of this system, we want to go to a new system, totaling over a five or possibly 10 year timeframe. It doesn't have to happen tomorrow. Will Dove  43:34 Yes. And and you made a really important comment to me earlier, that, you know, they could have done this years ago, why didn't they? Well, they didn't, because they didn't have the technology for control. They needed the API's and other things and the surveillance systems and all of that. They have to have a whole infrastructure to control all of this. And so the important takeaway for people from this, I think, is two things. Number one, understand the current financial system is going to collapse, period. There's no way it can't it is a financial house of cards, it has been heading towards disaster for the last several 100 years. It's coming one way or another, it is coming. But very likely those of us who understand that we'll be able to find ways to survive it to protect ourselves. Yeah. And we do have time because the very people who are engineering this collapse are going to keep the system going for as long as they can until they believe they have the structure in place to have that controlled demolition that happens globally, all at once. Mark Davidson  44:37 Right. That's basically the size of it. You know, I mean, there's always a small chance that we will call a Black Swan. So Black Swan is something no one could foresee. Well, you know, there's nothing you could do about that. I mean, that's just sciences like meteor hits New York tomorrow. Well, so be it but I mean, other than that, this is the most likely chain of events is this slow controlled, I would definitely keep an eye on interest rates. If interest rates don't peak and start to come down, for example, this year, that is a huge heads up that we're headed for a pretty calamitous period next year, because we can't tolerate these high rates. Okay. So that's the thing that I tell people, most people focus on the stock market, if they interested in finance at all, it's really not the place to look for this. It's really the interest rate environment is the bond market and what the Fed are doing. So that's, you know, is harder for most people to understand because they haven't studied that. But yeah, rates need to the if the Fed, for example, don't stop raising rates, or maybe cut rates in a few months time. That then you know, that they are actively trying to destroy the system, because it's already gone too far. Right?  I mean, these banks are failing directly as a result of these these raising rates. And it's complicated to explain why, but they essentially, were thought that they were going to get one or 2%. So they lent their money out that rate, and now they're having to pay out five or 6%. So they're losing incredible sums of money. A lot of banks, I wouldn't be surprised as hearing and other experts say, I wouldn't be surprised if essentially, the banking system is nationalized in the next few months, like, so it will be just a few banks that own all the other banks, and then the government own them. So though, to build to that there's a lot of steps that they can take to delay the inevitable. They right, let's actually been doing these steps for 20 years. I mean, we probably should have had this collapse 20 years ago, right? Will Dove  46:50 Yes. And even though I'm no financial wizard, folks, there's two things I can tell you, that you should absolutely be doing s right now, if you haven't thought about this before, number one, reduce your debt as much as possible to zero if possible, and especially in your home. Try to own it, even if it means downsizing, own your home so that they can't take it away from you. And the second thing is get some form of income that is not dependent upon someone else. Let me look what happened to the lockdowns, all the people who lost their jobs because they work for somebody else you got shut down, if you have it. And there's lots of opportunities out there to make a living online, for example, I did it for years as a web developer, all of my clients were online, I worked off of Upwork. And I made a decent living doing it. Find something that you can do on your own, set up your own business, be self employed, don't allow your income to be dependent upon someone else. And just those two steps alone will go a long ways towards protecting you from what's coming. Mark Davidson  46:50 So they've pushed it out that already. So I get people say to me, Mark, well, can't they just push out? I mean, yeah, I mean, maybe at the absolute max, we could push it out another five years or something. But if that happens, we'll use your time. Don't be fooled. There's a joke about this. And I think I told you in the Great Depression, because these things have all been tried in similar ways about the belief that you can completely control this man goes to the top of the Empire State Building, because he believes he can fly and he jumps off. As he's passing the 42nd floor a man says, you know, how's it going? And he says, you know, so far, so good. Yeah, we haven't hit the floor yet. But we, it's gravity, we are ultimately going to. The system is eventually going to collapse. So whatever time we do get, you've got to use that time to think about this and prepare. I agree. Yeah, that's very, very sensible. Ultimately, I think that the question I get from most people, you know, like, well, you know, what can we do? I think the biggest thing you just got to think about it, you just have most people just go along merrily, and then they're shocked when these things happen. I remember there's so so well, in 2008 I'm like, it was so obviously coming, you know, and the media will tell you like that used to make me laugh. They said after it. No one could have foreseen that coming. I'm like, Are you kidding me? Again, the man's falling past the 42nd floor, you can't predict that he's going to hit the floor. I mean, this is I like to say to people, if you read myself that it's math, the math is very clear.  You know, we have astronomical global debt that can never, you know, we can never produce enough. We've essentially borrowed about three generations, future generations worth and pick up productivity to even vaguely cover the debt we have now. I mean, it's just gonna happen. And everyone knows everyone and the politicians, not the central bank. Now, everybody so this is the thing is that you need people listening to understand is that the only people that don't know is the person. You know, who's been listening to the media who are never going to tell them they're never going to show you a chart of the federal debt org, Quantitative Easing or any of these numbers because they don't want to frighten you keep buying, keep doing, you know, being a Google Consumer until they are ready to pull the rug out from you. You know, it's really you know, I don't use this word, but it is kind of evil. Like, I mean, it really is. Will Dove  50:20 Oh, yeah. So there's absolutely altruistic ways that the system could be fixed. They're doing it this way. Because this is the way that allows them to maintain power and fuel. Mark Davidson  50:29 Absolutely. Well, that's 100%. That is it. They didn't want to give up any power. So that's why they're doing it this way. You're, you're 100% correct about that. Will Dove  50:38 Mark, I want to thank you for giving me this piece of information. It is absolutely invaluable. Like I said, I've been in this fight now for almost three years. And I literally lay awake at night trying to figure out what are they going to do next, which you don't know what they're going to do next, unless you know what their ultimate goal is? Right now that I have this piece of the puzzle now that I understand, it's all about maintaining their power by maintaining control of the economy, by controlling demand, because they can't control the supply. Everything else fits into that structure. So it's vitally important for people to understand that, because it makes sense of everything they're doing. Mark Davidson  51:15 You know, what, what's really shocking about that, you know, if you really look into the history of it is this goes back a long way. Like, basically, the reason the central banks were created is precisely that reason, like they, we had the Great Depression, and that led to the Second World War. And basically, they said, well, we don't ever want a global war, because it will end us. So we have to control the economy. So it started this thing, you know, the right road to hell is paved with good intention, they, they realized, if they could avoid depressions or cataclysmic economic periods, then we could avoid a third world war. But to avoid that, they kept having to borrow from the future creating this bigger and bigger credit bubble. Until they got so big. They said, Well, you know, we, we can't let it collapse now, because it will be the depression of all time. And then it got bigger and bigger. And that's where we are now is, it's not like they don't know, like, believe me, they know everything we're talking about here. And they have planned, you know, ahead. And, you know, I would like to think positively about the people planning. But as you and I have seen the last few years, it's naive to believe that those plans are all altruistic, as you say towards us. You know, that the one thing that people have power one is more power and more control, right, this is what we know. Will Dove  52:34 And I think a good allegory for what you just told people is something you would be very familiar with living where you do is why do we keep having these catastrophic forest fires in California? Well, because they keep putting them out. They're not allowing the natural burns to happen. Mark Davidson  52:50 And so yeah, right. Will Dove  52:51 So the financial system has been exactly the same thing for the last 70 years is they've been trying to prevent these events from happening, these minor corrections that would have been painful for a time, right, but would have ultimately kept the system fairly stable. Now they've created this catastrophic event that is coming, Mark Davidson  53:09 Right? Because look at 2007, 2008, I mean, that that was cataclysmic, but it was over in two, three years. And then they just printed that, you know, six well as $3 trillion, it was of quantitive easing for that. And that is a self fulfilling, right, because people's they see this, how successful it was that they feel emboldened, and they think, well, we can keep doing this. And it fools most people into believing that they can do this forever. But they the math doesn't add up. There's a limit that we're hitting that limit. So that's why it can't go on forever. Okay, but no one can say the exact day or time but we're on borrowed time at this point. Will Dove  53:48 And if people don't believe that, then ask yourself this question. Why are the globalists doing what they're doing? Because they're the ones who built this system? Mark Davidson  53:55 Right? Will Dove  53:56 They know that the collapse is coming. Right? Mark Davidson  54:00 They count on Social Security, most pension funds that, you know, the Piper has to be paid, and we're reaching that day, unfortunately, I mean, I wish it wasn't true. And I wish I could say I always say people, though, I'd love to be wrong. Um, I just, I spent a lot of time 23 years studying all this stuff. I can't say I really can't either. I don't see any way out of this. We're boxed in. And it's just a question of timing. Will Dove  54:26 We do indeed new need a new system, just not the one they have in mind. Right, Mark Davidson  54:30 right. Well, well, a system where we have some say over Well, I think the main thing we'd agree on is like that isn't tying this to a social credit system for one. Not tying it to you know, a sort of tracking and surveillance system. This is the digital ID which they tried to bring in with with the shots right it was people have got to they understand this agenda. You can start to see these pieces on the board like why were they so adamant trying to push for this digital tracking System. What's that got to do with vaccines? Like, I mean, it's it's obvious once you start to look at this where they're going. Will Dove  55:06 Alright, once again, Mark, thank you so much for giving us your time for these interviews for 23 years that you've spent figuring all of this stuff out, so that you would come along and share it with the rest of us. Mark Davidson  55:17 Yeah, thank you for giving me a platform to talk to