(0:00 - 0:04) Hi everybody, I'm Madison Holmes. And I am Maycee Holmes. Sorry. (0:05 - 0:11) And you're watching Holmes Squared. Here's the photo. Oh my god, here's the photo. (0:11 - 0:16) Throw it in their face, there you go. I give it to you. The people. (0:17 - 0:23) Oh my god. Hi everybody. We got a big topic. (0:24 - 0:52) It's big not just because it's a world stage thing, but it's also big because it's difficult to think about. This on, when was it, on Friday the 13th, lucky day, Israel attacked Iran. this is supposedly over the whole nuclear deal, that's their justification. (0:54 - 1:20) You have many camps, but there's the camp that says that this is it was totally uncalled for it was an unprovoked attack and then there's people that say well Iran shouldn't have their nuclear weapons, so it was totally justified. Or they're just on the side of Israel and then Zionists and so they're just generally for anything Israel does. But I'd like to think that camp is a bit smaller than what people make out. (1:20 - 1:28) That's just my opinion. I know it's a thing I can't say one or the other honestly on that one. Fair enough. (1:28 - 1:34) How big that camp is, I just don't know. That answer she just gave everybody. It's not big in my camp. (1:35 - 2:06) No, it's definitely not big in our camp, but that answer she just gave is I don't know. You're going to hear a lot about a lot of I don't knows in this episode because trying to decipher this Israel Iran thing and then knowing the geopolitics and the Operation Gladio's, the color revolutions that we talked about in our previous episode. Knowing all of these things and listening to as many podcasters as we do it's not an easy answer. (2:06 - 2:39) It is not as simple as picking sides there's a good guy, there's a bad guy. It's not that simple. And that sucks because no, it really does. It's hard to listen. You think you have one thing in mind. We listen to people like Brian Berletic. Maycee said let's start there and I was like I'm just going to trust the cause and now that I started talking she was totally right. So we listen to people. I am always sorry. Let's just go straight there. She does not. Sorry, I had the other one open. (2:40 - 2:59) This is Brian Berletic on the Durand. Yeah, on the Durand. And he is the host of the New Atlas. Yes. Which is, he's quite large on Rumble. Yes, and he's also got a telegram platform as well called the New Atlas. (3:00 - 4:10) Yes, and why we listen to him is because he brings up the skeptical side. You know where some people you get people that will just trust Trump or trust, you really name a president, they jump on bandwagons and we idealize. Yeah, if anything that's a good starter because I'll keep that context in mind of what you just said about the fact that he is the skeptical side but there are those that are potentially favor some of the Q movement and they like, they think of white hats, they think of. Trust the plan. The whole trust the plan thing. I have no problem with you wanting to be optimistic but I am a bit more of a rational, like a realistic person and I feel like with Brian, his perspective would be less optimistic because the thing is that you don't want to necessarily just trust the white hats or else you might not do anything. (4:10 - 57:20) Like, if you're being told all the time that everything's fine and it's going to work out and trust the plan then you've kind of obfuscated your own responsibility if that is not what's going to happen. Where it's like, well what if that's not going to transpire, this view of everything's going to go peachy. It's like then that's on you to kind of figure out, well how are you going to navigate that then? And that's also on you to figure out, well who do you have to hold responsible and accountable? First it'd be yourself because you shouldn't allow yourself to lose skepticism. Skepticism can be a healthy thing. So adding on to that, why we watched Brian is because he's a type of person where he has what's called continuity of agenda theory and his theory is that for him his, well we would say his biases is mainly like US hegemony. That's kind of what he focuses and he centralizes on is like his primary, what I would say bond villain, but I think that for him what he does do really well is he takes a look at policy papers and he takes a look at what these think tanks or these people put out and sometimes that can be a bit of a risk because if you're paying attention to like the tweets or that Trump's putting out or that any political figures putting out sometimes it's really like that's your source, right? It's like that's hard to play with because how can you verify that that is what it is because even, I think it was Maddie, you and me were watching the Breaking History one and we can pull that up, we can pull it up now or later, it's up to you, but I think it was Gordon who might have been saying that it's like Trump was the one who claims that you can't really trust what comes out of a politician's mouth and they are never going to be held accountable to it so they can say anything and so now that he's a politician maybe he's applying the fact where it's like if he knows he's not really going to be held accountable to what he says then he'll just say it because maybe that's part of the optics, maybe that's part of a larger game that he's playing, I don't know and so when Brian goes and sources those things and says, hey man, is that really what Trump is leaning towards or is he actually just playing something else, right? But what he does do really well, and I think that most people really do need to consider from Brian's work and why we will not stop listening to him and why he's worth considering is this continuity of agenda and what is that because as we know people do have intentions and when they decide to express those intentions to organize their brains, to organize their thinking because infighting can happen all the time you see it even in our own little political groups where we need to have a plan, right? It's like, well he has gone and put in the work to read well what is the potential plans that you have marked out here, so. Yeah, so what we like about Matthew is Matthew Ehret, he doesn't just assume people's intentions the reason why we trust but verify is that he literally reads the quotes of the people that he's talking to, he went and read the books of Thomas Malthus, read the works of the families of Julian Huxley and stuff like that. He reads Benjamin Franklin's work too Benjamin Franklin, yeah, even people you admire, but he went and read their work and then when he tells you what they are thinking it's because they said it in their own words, so it's directly to the source, that's why Matthew's somebody that's really good to follow for historical context and to really understand what's going on. Brian Berletic does similar things in the geopolitical realm pulls up the papers and the plans Yeah, so many, screen share, yep, perfect. So this is interesting, I'm not gonna lie I have a bias, when I read stuff like this it makes me giddy, I'm gonna tell you why because I love shit that's from the horse's mouth, like if it's from the horse's mouth, my brain just goes like, but you said it, like look at what you said you want to do or what you said your intention is but we will kind of like get away from even our own bias in that sense as time progresses, but for now we just wanted to show you people this because they might not be aware of it and it's good to have under your belt, so this is the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution, from 2009 2009, alright so it says, which path to Persia options for a new American strategy toward Iran and so Maddie can probably go on to the next thing, yeah, this is the table of contents it says introduction, the trouble with Tehran US policy options toward Iran part one, dissuading Tehran the diplomatic option, chapter one, an offer Iran shouldn't refuse persuasion, chapter two, tempting Tehran the engagement option, part two, disarming Tehran, the military options and then chapters three, four, five in respective order, going all the way, invasion the Iraqi option, air strikes leave it to Bibi, allowing or encouraging an Israeli military strike part three, toppling Tehran, regime change, and then I can just keep going on, but you kind of get the point, and so then moving on, it's a little it's a step-by-step guide, it's literally a step-by-step guide of how, yes, chapter five, yeah, it's policy, right it's a policy, yeah literally a policy book, the goal yeah, so here, this is fun, before we even get to the part that's highlighted, I always like reading a little bit beforehand, so it says, goal as in the case of American air strikes against Iran the goal of this policy option would be to destroy key Iranian nuclear facilities in the hope that doing so would significantly delay Iran's acquisition of an indigenous nuclear weapons capability however in this case, an added element could be that the United States would encourage and perhaps even assist the Israelis in conducting the strikes themselves in the expectation that both international criticism and Iranian retaliation would be deflected away from the United States and onto Israel, and then hold on even underneath it says the logic behind this approach is that allowing Israel to mount the air strikes rather than the United States provides a way out of the dilemma described in the previous chapter whereby American air strikes against Iran could become self-defeating because they would undermine every other American initiative in the Middle East, an outcome exactly the opposite of what a new Iran policy is meant to accomplish so literally and this is 2009 2009, that they're writing this, and this is happening right now yeah, one of the things that one of the things that where people get caught is where he puts emphasis, and it's something you need to look at, these people made this document, that was in 2009, think of the presidents that were in power then and then Trump had his first term, and then Biden came in, Trump is in his second term and we're here we're still on the path on the continuity of that agenda we are on the continuity of agenda so that's what Brian points out he points out papers like this, and he goes it doesn't matter which government is in, because seemingly, their plan agenda is still continuing and you have to look at that, now where Brian well, so there was another piece, and I just wanted to read it, just because again, I really want to drive the point home, but what I do think is important, is before I read this, it's the one that's fine, the last one before I read this, what we're going to be getting at is that this is important to understand in the context of, okay continuity of agenda, and this looks like it's being written now, literally in crayon, and we're seeing it first hand and we're in 2025 this is not, now the biggest thing is this is not a criticism necessarily of, is this Trump that's doing this thing what we are encouraging people to look at is clearly there are intelligence forces and operations and dirty ops that are happening that obviously have led us to this point, and it has happened throughout all the presidencies so that could be either a well then all those presidents are bad and they're in on it or it could be that maybe some were in on it maybe some were puppets, maybe some have no choice but to deal with this, because it's one of those situations where sometimes people think of Trump in that sense of the John F. Kennedy situation John F. Kennedy situation with the Cuban missile crisis, where they're like, that was totally a CIA front to try and undermine his presidency they were hoping that he wouldn't be able to get a handle on that, they were hoping that he would if he can't, there was no way he could come clear and admit that he got an intelligence group that's been I guess, what is it, manipulating their way through all of his policies because it would show that he's basically just been cooed by an intelligence organization and he has no say whatsoever and there's some people that feel that way towards Trump, we'll get into that a bit more, but I will just read it so that way we can drive it home for the potential of what this continuity of agenda is and the group's intelligence groups are definitely, clearly it's happening, so it says, before I read what's in the box, it says, for those who favor regime change or a military attack on Iran either by the United States or Israel there's a strong argument to be made for trying this option first inciting regime change in Iran would be greatly assisted by convincing the Iranian people that their government is so ideologically blinkered that it refuses to do what is best for the people and instead is it clings? to a policy that could only bring ruin on the country. The ideal scenario in this case would be that the United States and the international community present a package of positive inducements so enticing that the Iranian citizenry would support the deal only to have the regime reject it in a similar vein, any military operation against Iran will likely be very unpopular around the world and require the proper international context both to ensure the logistical support the operation would require and to minimize the black blow back from it and then it's underlined the best way to minimize international program and maximize support, however, grudging or covert is to strike only when there is a widespread conviction that the Iranians were given but then rejected a superb offer one so good that only a regime determined to acquire nuclear weapons and acquire them for the wrong reasons would turn it down. Under those circumstances the United States or Israel could portray its operations as taken in sorrow not anger and at least some in the international community would conclude that the Iranians brought it on themselves by refusing a very good deal guys this was written in 2009 like but yeah yeah and so you people need to watch people like Brian that's why we watch Brian so we can see oh look this isn't some surprise war it's the same thing that happened in Syria there's history here and people don't really look at the history they just they get overwhelmed by the fact that oh this war's going on and now I'm being affected in geopolitics and all this jazz but Brian really hits at home with the papers and the physical agenda so it's good to look at that and understand that there is this thing entity people used to call it you know the swamp and they were like oh Trump's going to drain the swamp clearly he hasn't now Brian and some other skeptics would say because maybe perhaps Trump is in on it there's also what I'm a bit more inclined to lean towards is the fact that just like Maycee alluded to JFK he wanted to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces you know scatter it into the wind scattered into the wind do you think you're gonna like they're gonna let you do that do you think they're gonna let you do that that's really hard to do he knows he got shot Trump I think learnt this and is learning this with time I think that's why he's starting to play a bit of a hard now I'm not oh Trump is the one and Trump is Jesus and we should trust him with everything and he's trust the plan I'm not that kind of girl but what I'm so this is this is the middle ground this whole podcast that we're gonna walk you through on this whole conflict is going to be the complications with listening to people because Brian is got really good knowledge but he will tell you that Trump he conflates Trump and the Trump administration some people say he might argue because Trump picked the administration you gotta look at why he picked these people and stuff like that if they're not in his pocket whose pocket are they in these are questions you have to ask not to say that we have all the answers because they're still this this is ongoing and there's a lot to think about but trying to answer the questions and really pose the questions is kind of the biggest thing in all of this yeah and it's not like necessarily as Maddie's pulling up the next thing here it's not that necessarily like we think that Trump's gonna magically just solve all of our freaking problem it's more so he might have his own agenda that might not necessarily be these oligarchical types agenda but it and it doesn't mean that his is necessarily all that amazing either for all we know it's just he wants to get the Nobel Peace Prize for bringing peace to the Middle East because he wants to go down as the president that did that right it's like that's more of a an image thing and so it's like if that's the case it's like whoop-de-doo congratulations like you know what I mean and he might be aiming for that for because that's his passion I mean I was talking to dad about this in the car I was like that doesn't really change the fact that during the whole COVID pandemic he was totally spouting on the vaccine so it's like he may say that he doesn't want the Middle East to get bombed into oblivion but his people are getting killed right but so it's just like things he's paying attention to things he's not paying attention to you know what I mean and for what purposes ego genuine care that's the hard part to to find that line yeah another so this is another podcast that we did this week in preparation to understand the whole Iran Israel deal this is on the Shaun Newman yeah the Shaun Newman podcast he's a local Alberta podcaster here and Tom has been because I've I've done most of my listening first to people like Brian Berletic because I really think that it's valuable to look at these papers but also Cynthia, Cynthia Chung just came out with a three part series called Make Whose America Great Again and she points out the fact that there are some serious financial troubles going to hit the US because they're about to refinance some of their debt and they may not be able to refinance it first of all they're running out they don't have as much production in the country either their credit card debt is worse than it's ever been so there's a lot of these just financial debts that are stacking up and it could really turn on them and so she was pointing out some of the continuity of agenda and some of the not so great things that the Trump and his administration are doing in response to trying to scramble and save this debt plane from crashing so because I started there when I listened to this Tom Luongo one it was a little bit of a flip because Tom said and between that one and this one this is another, this is a platform that just recently came, launched Pluralia Dialogos Matthew Ehret is involved with it but a lot of other really good thinkers and we, my whole clan watched this one live, it's with so Garland Nixon posted it but this is Garland Nixon, Joaquin Flores, Matthew Ehret yes and one of the big things that they were talking about on that particular episode was the goal of some Europe who's also in a financial crisis right now so they're reaching for collateral and anything they can do to gain that's why a lot of people say Canada is a target of theirs because we have a lot of resources that they can put on their books to help them perpetuate, kick the can down the road because right now their economy is crashing, they are going down so between, they were talking about how some of the Anglo-American empires, their oligarchs and Europe they are looking to split mega from Trump that's one thing Garland Nixon brought up and that's a similar argument to what Tom Luongo was making, people are this whole affair threw everybody out because you know Trump, one of his main pillars was he wants like Maycee said to be the peace president, then why would you go and, if you are in the pocket or if you are the junior partner Netanyahu joked around about, if you're the partner of Israel then clearly you sanctioned this attack, you allowed Israel to attack Iran that goes against your peace principles, why would you do that and it really set mega for a loop and Garland Nixon said this is the goal and so did Tom to splinter that relationship because the thing with Trump is, and this is a fact, that he is maintaining relationships with the BRICS countries Russia, China, Iran and they are all doing stuff that the NATO countries, the European Union, they hate it, they absolutely loathe it, and but Trump is working with them negotiating, making deals however, he's talking with them which is more than a lot of other people are doing and so this splintering they're targeting Trump so good guy or not they want mega who is that's the base, if you don't have the people it's really hard, that's Maycee, I didn't actually think we would bring in Gene Sharp but you said maybe we can but now that I'm thinking about it, Gene Sharp said his and Gene Sharp is the guy that basically did the blueprint for how to do color revolutions yeah, we alluded to him in our one of our episodes, I forget which one I think it was the last, I think it was Tiananmen Square yeah, Tiananmen Square, that was fun, Tiananmen Square, yeah and he was the one that did the documentary, How to Start a Revolution which is technically a propagandist piece because they paint the whole thing as to why it's a good thing, which in part like four to one, in part there's some part good truths in there, we even have our own experience of that with the trucker convoy but then I would say that there's obviously some not good forces at work when bad forces get a hold of that knowledge, and you gotta ask yourself they were like, oh, even throughout the whole documentary it was a little pamphlet that he wrote in describing how you can do these color revolution type tactics, and in the, they just so subtly go like, and it just started spreading everywhere, and we have no idea and I'm like, well that's a little bit suspicious um, but yeah they're just giving it back to you, the people well, it's like when they don't want something they burn the books, and when they want something apparently this book spread across the whole world, it's like, that's yeah, but the reason I bring Gene Sharp up as Maycee said, predicted we would is because he made the, um, when he was in Oxford which is the school of the Roundtable Movement and if people don't remember the Roundtable Movement we alluded to it in our very first episode, I think it's good to keep in mind that even the Roundtable Movement, yes the Roundtable Movement, the Fabian Society they are think tanks, and it's good to understand that what we just read from you about the Brookings institution, it's like, that's the kind of stuff that those think tanks would write and think about, just to give more context these think tanks would come up with this and make these plans and then put it into government, because these are these think tanks always influence the government and NGOs, that's how that works so in, at Oxford University Gene Sharp said he had the epiphany that what makes dictatorships run well if they don't have people, people are the resource, then they can't continue doing their thing, so you turn the people against the dictator or the person that's in that maybe the oligarchs don't want in if you split the society from the leader, then you can take out the leader and now you're in control so look at what they're doing, the goal is to as Garland said, take MAGA away from supporting Trump, and this war or this attack by Israel on Iran started to do that and that's one of the things that me and Maycee also considered listening to, this Pluralia dialogue here, the Tom Luongo, he also brought this up, because you also want to consider, so even looking at the papers, you got that side there's a continuity of agenda, there's intelligence agencies that have been pushing for this for a long time, now they got it but Trump also working with the BRICS nations, that's a threat so Trump is still a threat even if he's been trying to play this dance with his weird administration choices, people that are like in the technocracy, but pull away him from the people, get the people to turn on him and there you go so that was another thing that made me realize, okay so it's a bit more complicated because you don't want that to happen if Trump is doing a nice thing with the BRICS, at least negotiating with them because even in which podcast was it where they were talking about the negotiations for this war Russia stepped in and said the breaking history one yes I will do that these are just the resources we've been trying to get into us to understand because it's complicated yeah for this one it was a good perspective so what we're, so Brian would be the type where he would not think that, he would not agree with everything that gets posed in this one because it's like, or even by Tom because it's the idea of I guess we call it theater war, war theater and that idea that could be a potentiality is that maybe Trump's saying a few things that would get a lot of oligarchical technocrats really CIA MI6 bureaucrats from these think tanks really happy so maybe he's saying these things but on perhaps the side, like what he was saying in terms of like yeah Israel you go bomb a man good job right but maybe on the side he could have been in contact with the leader of Iran and been like okay we're going to be initiating these strikes or Israel's going to do this thing if you have vacant facilities or empty labs that we can bomb then we we can play it that way, right? That's in this one, not the breaking history Oh sorry, that's in the narrative? They might allude I don't know if they alluded to it in the breaking history but this one was also because what you just alluded to it's not just that it's a potential, that's already happened once so both in this one and in this one with Mike Adams on the Health Ranger Report, I think it was in 2020, Trump's previous regime there was an attack on an Iranian general if I'm not mistaken and Iran literally and Trump says this in an interview which they reveal in the narrative this episode right here they play the clip of Trump saying Iran called me up and said we have to retaliate you know, they just killed you killed one of our generals and if we don't, our people will they'll throw a hissy fit we need to save face so we are going to attack here empty out those facilities we're like we're gonna tell you where we're hitting, that way you can make sure that the damage is minimal as possible and no casualties. That happened in his previous regime well, as Mike Adams points out in his episode, this one the this is the funny thing, this whole thing is supposedly about stopping Iran from having nuclear weapons, so Israel attacks the first attack wasn't just on nuclear facilities though, if I'm not mistaken Israel attacked multiple things but they did hit a couple um spots there was an attack on Saturday later, but that was by the US this recent Saturday and the US attacked specific nuclear facilities but they only attacked entrances and exits like they were very non-consequential spots but surprisingly there was nobody in the building Iran had evacuated the people in the nuclear facilities and there were no casualties so to me, when I saw the clip about Iran calling Trump up in 2020 from his previous term and saying we gotta save face we're gonna help you brother out, get your people out of there. I'm thinking that Trump went hey, you know that thing that we did back in 2020 we're gonna do a switcheroo because Israel did this thing, Iran retaliated um Trump went we're going to get rid of your nuclear facilities get rid of the threat that this whole thing started on we're gonna get rid of the threat by nuking your facilities, get your people out of there and that to me that makes sense because of the history that's already happened and then the intentions of why Trump would do this is a whole other thing because some people might say you could be inclined to think if you do this then it takes away the reason for the war in the first place a reasonable attack supposedly like we said to get the nuclear facilities out of Iran so Trump took them out so technically the reason for the war should be over so now technically Trump can walk away and be like see we did it done, let's go back to the negotiating table which is Maycee you said earlier that that's kind of what looks like it's gonna happen you know you said the news that just came out recently looks like new negotiations are about to... Yeah like right now there's been talk of a ceasefire between Iran and Israel and Trump's been posting about it and so perhaps he is taking this as an opportunity to wipe his hands clean I don't know and then this is the same thing it's like you could think in the way of Brian Berletic and it could be one of those things where they use it to set up a false flag where it's just like oh okay we're gonna do a ceasefire we're gonna start with Iran and make sure that you know that goes smoothly within the next six hours because I read it today that that's the new development and if I was Brian Berletic how I would be thinking about this is I would probably be like okay they might set that up where it's like oh Iran didn't do this thing and they set up some sort of false flag blame it on Iran Israel's the victim and then we just continue from that front and that could also be another perspective I don't know how it's gonna play out at all but that could be another perspective I just I'm not sure but that's kind of the whole point is that it's like there's some views where it's like they post some really good thoughts for consideration you do need to be critical of every single individual that you listen to I think that even for what you were just mentioning about the narrative it's like in Tom Luongo and the idea of potentially the mega movement getting split or even the potentiality of this being a harm and maybe we should support like maybe they should back continue to keep trying to support Trump because maybe they're trying to set it up on purpose where they take him more and more out of the equation they start weakening him and almost like dragging him back a bit you know or even the idea that we were just mentioning again what you were saying about you were just saying it I literally forgot. The facilities being empty yeah exactly that theater of warfare it's like that's also potentiality that's also something that could be going on there was a mentioning that we were talking about in one of the I forget which episode it was when you were talking about how they were trying to say that maybe it's important oh E.M. Burlingame saying that they want to take Trump away from the technocrats right so that's again another possibility because on top of all this we can't forget that that's also an agenda that's being pushed for is that whole idea of a technocratic state and on top of that Brian's put up a lot of good sources and information that I would be leaning towards as well as well as Matthew's done this as well and Gordon that they are our deep state is trying to infiltrate the BRICS and trying to figure out how to go to a war with China for reasons that are not actually true on our end where they're infiltrating us but because they are breaking free of Anglo American hegemony ties that held them down for a long time and they're now trying to figure out how to self-sustain themselves and parasites don't like that like that's parasites don't like it when you figured out how to get rid of them you went on a cleanse so to speak and they're like no so yeah so those are also some important things that are worth considering so yeah no that's important because that's why the BRICS nations they've been doing this coalition together is because like it's in Russia's interest that this war stops they don't want because even on Gordon Gordon is Matthew's partner on breaking history I always show you guys because Matthew gets the post breaking history on his account and I wanted to support him but they it's literally called breaking history if you go on rumble and they have a whole it's badlands media sorry it's badlands media and they have a segment called breaking history and that's with Gordon who is also a really really good thorough researcher and him and Matthew have a really if you're just looking for a regular because they do weekly updates so that's that's a good way to go but he showed he literally showed a map and Maycee you and I know now that we've seen a map how Turkey is land bridge well Turkey being like here Iran's right here and it's like another land bridge so between the two of them and then being Russia it's what is described as the underbelly to China yeah exactly and so Russia's right beside the two and if you were to that's why Russia also has this skin in the game because one there's the north to south transcontinental railway that they're trying to build which is surpassing the long overdue maritime empire that the British and the European colonialists have had power over the water and the sea trade for the longest time well to surpass that the BRICS nations want to build this north to south transcontinental railway to connect all of them and that way they can trade a bit more freely and cooperate more with one another and so between that and then Iran literally being a part of the Russian border and the way you can get up there for warfare that's why Russia has incentive to do the negotiation talks and that's part of the reason the G7 just happened here in Calgary, Alberta Calgary, Alberta's been getting a lot of attention lately but Trump came and he made the remark why did you take Russia out of it should be the G8 not the G7 Russia should be here negotiating and then he left early Russia has said to prevent this escalation of nuclear war we can help facilitate and we can refine we can take the nuclear energy from Iran and we can do the work and then give them the nuclear energy because everybody should have nuclear energy that's the next step in energy efficiency and sustainability so everybody should have that and nobody can take that away from anybody so if Iran wanted that they should be able to have that even having nuclear weapons everybody has the right to defend themselves it's just not the way it's going so to help with the negotiations Russia's like we'll help we'll take it that way you know the US you can feel comfortable it's no longer in Iran's hands it's in our hands but Iran don't worry you will get the nuclear energy that you so need and deserve and blah so these are all like cool and Trump seemed on board for that so yeah he seemed in favor of that idea he seemed in favor of that idea so since you know a ceasefire may happen we'll see again time is the teller of all things so these are just things everybody should be thinking about all these perspectives come together but that's a possibility that could be going forward now that's not necessarily a simple win for Israel and Yahoo he this can't end for him because and I think that's part of the reason some people say that Trump knew about the attack knew or not how he's responded is in a manner in my opinion thus far to fix it has been we always say in my household it's like his plane his US plane you know all of this chaos and the war it's a crashing plane but he's not just gonna jump ship which is what most of the oligarchs and the empires are doing and the technocrats they'll just jump ship go somewhere else they don't get arrested they just go to an island somewhere they let you die and then they come back and they try to figure out what of the rubble they can just steal back for themselves exactly exactly I don't think Trump's doing that I think he's trying to land the crashing plane he's going for a crash landing which is still something but and that's similar to what my family has been saying is maybe happening here in Alberta with Danielle Smith this whole when you have the because we have a deep state here in Alberta too everybody everywhere really does have a deep state and there's hence Matthews the clash of the two Americas the clash of the two Canadas the clash of the two because there's two because there's two bilateral hemispheres there's two versions of every country because there's two values that everybody has in their head completely different values so and we see this even on a local level here in Alberta Danielle Smith can't save us because we also have this terrible caucus and it's not really in favor of the grassroots people we got this same oligarch here that everywhere else does that we're battling so just keeping stuff like this in mind when you when crazy events like this come up and there will be more not looking for a simple bad guy or looking at somebody as if it was a good guy recognizing the fact that there is two bilateral hemispheres each have their own agenda there's two narratives in every country that are trying to play it out at the same time and understanding that is essential in trying to decipher through these podcasts we just gave you guys like six podcasts to watch and watching one of them I'd watched a Tom Luongo one and I went dad how do I how do you do this this is so much because you have to change your axioms all the time you have to change your mind you're like I thought this way and then I got new information and now I don't know if my previous information is right and that's hard because everybody wants the left hemisphere wants certainty something that's understandable it's static it doesn't change and that way we can feel comfortable with our map you know you don't have to re go over all of the geography you don't have to you don't have the rug pulled from under you and go oh I thought I knew my world nobody really wants that mm-hmm yeah no the whole point of this is to encourage people to try and think things through because I think that you have a part of you what we call our left hemisphere that really wants certainty and wants to be able to grasp things to put it in stasis to be like aha this is what it is and it could be partially momentarily because time is the teller of all tales it's like that is the teller of all truths it's like that will be the final determining outcome is what happens through time and things change right so it's like maybe partially momentarily like so you're not wrong but it's not absolute and then like so when you're when you're getting to that point they I think that's the whole point of narrative control is that they know that that's a part of us that is in us that they want to placate to they want to placate to that part of you that wants to pick a side that wants to get dichotomous and go like Trump is like all-encompassing good guy or it's a little bit leaning towards that with even what Tom was saying about making Iran the new victim and basically discarding Israel that's one thing we also didn't mention which is a potential narrative that they're going to give us now that you've brought it up oh you mean like the why now why make Israel like why are we allowed to let be anti-semitic against Israel now and turning it over to make Iran actually the victim instead did you want to expand upon that a bit more because I didn't like I listened to the Breaking History and the Brian Berletic one but I didn't get to the Tom one yet that was the Tom and Alex they kind of went at it actually I don't think I showed you guys that one yet that one I put in the telegram ok ok you got it so this is on Crypto Rich another he's a really good podcaster he's UK he's in the UK but he's originally from Pakistan but on that one Tom Luongo paints because we weren't allowed to criticize Israel if you did that you were anti-semitic you were anti-Jew but now now Steve Bannon who's pro now he's like this whole war needs to come to an end that's new for him and all of a sudden we are allowed to even all the European countries Tom Luongo said that they're literally investing if you look at the markets they're investing into Iran that's weird that is very weird and they condemned Israel's attack on Iran that's weird that's very weird so suddenly Netanyahu is suddenly getting more and more isolated as this new Hitler as this new Germany yeah like that's again this plays into the nuances of what the heck is going on you know what I mean because it's like if let's say they had some sort of way of creating regime regime change in Israel or sorry I mean Iran or they had some sort of way of weakening it through terrorists proxies around its area exhausting it or even now this European investment at which you know being bought and paid for is definitely a thing so I don't know what's going on there but if that was the case and Israel's no longer really needed is it because Israel was meant to act as the problem to the reaction to the solution of what Iran's going through if Israel if you can infiltrate Iran another way you don't really need to worry about using Israel's the excuse anymore right and that's what you oh I got rid of it in the beginning when we showed the pages of that 2009 plan which photo was it because that was chapter 5 do you remember me sorry you're looking for it like midway through here and you haven't found it yeah it's right here oh that okay yeah that's chapter 5 and that one they were basically saying that in the plan they're going to blame it on Israel okay yeah and then the other one saying the next step was regime change so you just said if they can find other means to get into Iran they don't no longer need Israel yeah like that's what I mean like sometimes it's the expressions like where it's like they eat their own right it's like that you got to keep in mind it's like the minute that you serve a purpose they'll literally just discard you so that if that game's being played you really do need to pay attention to that because again if Steve Bannon one day says we need to like go against Iran for American hegemony and then we need to go to war with China and then the next day he's going like we should hold back off on Iran it's like this is not a god you shouldn't be worshipping everything he says just because he changed his mind from one day to the next it's like figure out no offense figure out how to think it through yourself in the sense of like maybe hold it in your hand hold it hold it like what we're saying it's like you're never not in the middle of something so it's like hold it and then be like maybe I need more context and like we said time is usually the thing that's going to be the revealer it doesn't mean you shouldn't have convictions because at the end of the day I just don't want nuclear war like my conviction is I don't want people to die like that's that's kind of the conviction there and my conviction is that there's been enough evidence to show that we have ourselves a deep state that not a lot of people fully truly understand so that's what I would like to keep pursuing yeah because Klaus Schwab said I'm pretty sure it was Klaus Schwab said that there will be no Israel and then everybody went kind of glossed over and that just went in one ear and out the other but I don't I think Israel served its purpose made the chaos it needs but there's no collateral you can get in Israel really it's like even the state of Israel we know from Matthew's work how it was created how it literally was brought into fruition and then all of they literally put all the Jews there and then so they don't I don't think they care about Israel now that it's served its purpose I think they can if like Klaus Schwab said they can just up and vanish they can just get demolished and they won't blink an eye because they basically made it to destroy it in the first place we can do a whole other episode on that because that's a crazy crazy wormhole that one's a big rabbit hole yeah but there's there's a lot yeah I think that a main message that I really wanted people to walk away from before we close it off is that you know that part of you that's wanting that certainty remember it can get weaponized and they're counting on it so try not to get too myopic in your thinking that's why we listen to all these different podcasters in their different perspectives not all of them agree with each other there's infighting but in some sense it's a good thing because at the very least there's some form of respect amongst these guys in the sense that they all at the very least don't want to see these parasites parasites win and they don't want to see people die but they may not agree on everything but that's why listeners like us we're trying to figure it out as well because like me and Maddie we're young so I don't really have too much of historical context for all of this so even for me to say to people it's like we would encourage you where it's like okay you're listening to some sort of person they're coming out with a theory play it out did it happen right has it happened go back in your historical time frame if you can memory time the thing that not a lot of the thing that is getting manipulated to get rid of scrolling on your phone only one hemisphere can really understand time only one hemisphere actually takes it in and not the left hemisphere no the left the right hemisphere is the one that would trust time to do what time's going to do it's just it knows it's going to take it into consideration but so when you're got the left hemisphere though it needs to focus in on something so that way you can pay attention to it does negate the continuity of what's around it because it's focused it's focusing in so that means it's putting something in a moment of time in stasis so that way you can identify it and define it right momentarily is when the right hemisphere would say that momentarily right so again you can get all these different perspectives and when you do it's a little bit easier I think to try and go like so it could be this it could be that right and we don't get discouraged another thing as well is don't get discouraged about oh it's too much because that's another thing that gets weaponized so we already know that that's something as well based on our hemisphere work where it's like that they would also be counting on you to feel discouraged that your left hemisphere can't get a grasp on it and so you just give up you're just like ah screw it I'm not gonna care anymore it's like this is why I don't pay attention to politics right it's too complicated or ah like it's just the same thing again and it's like eh yes and no because it's also it's happening to you and it's going to happen continuing on and if that's the case then it's like that you choosing to ignore that and walk away from it is just gonna perpetuate the cycle and then your grandchildren or the future generations are just stuck in this freaking loop of economic collapses all the time economic booms and busts and just and for what for why and what's the context surrounding why we even have that can we have something better why aren't we working towards that right and so it's a lot but just don't get discouraged keep listening to all sorts of different voices and don't get too religious about it and I think it was on Man in America and it was the David Brose one that I was listening to on Technocracy really good episode I encourage you guys to watch that and it was Seth Holehouse is his name it was Seth that was saying he was like I don't really worship any man except I only worship God and I was just like hey man like that's so cool like I'm totally for that but like the whole I don't worship any man I'm like yes exactly you shouldn't so yeah yeah just understanding every podcaster has a brain so you know you can look at good versus evil but when you're discerning a person even like a Trump or if you watch Brian Berletic and go where's his bias where's he right where's his bias you can it's easier for us to discern that and one of the things will me and Maycee will account for our own hemisphere bias because we know the brain you know a lot of people that people don't account for their own bias and getting stuck in their own positive feedback loop because they don't understand their brain whereas me and Maycee go we there's a lot we don't know because and because we know that we have different biases we have to listen to more people to account for those biases so knowing the brain definitely helps everybody that's our bias that's our bias alright so thank you guys everybody for enduring that I know that again it was a lot but you guys are your minds are more than capable of it and so are ours because again I'm still trying to figure all this stuff out Maddie did a great job articulating everything so eloquently for you guys I was paying attention to that I was like Maddie's doing a really good job like painting the picture so thank you guys for that and you know work at doing that yourself that's also just work at trying to figure it out and how to articulate it and so yeah this do you want to just say this has been this has been Holmes Squared (laughter)