(0:00 - 1:24) We've all heard the narrative, man-made global warming is causing record numbers of forest fires, fires which burn whole towns and kill hundreds of people. Aside from the fact that man-made global warming can be easily disproven, some very strange things have been observed about these fires. Houses burned to white ash, while nearby trees remain virtually untouched. Cars with melted auto glass and melted aluminum engine blocks, which require far higher temperatures than occur in a forest fire. Californian Robert Brame has 50 years experience as an arborist, and he has spent years now collecting information on these fires. He has a library of photographs which raise as many new questions as they answer. Fence boards burned away where the nails are, while the rest of the board remains untouched. Homes burned to white ash, while attached wooden decks did not burn, and plastic items close to the fires, which also did not burn or melt. Robert joins me today to share these images and also discuss how these fires, the first of which occurred in 2017, differ dramatically from all forest fires he has seen before in his 50-year career. (1:33 - 3:12) Robert, welcome to the show. Hey, how are you doing today? Very well, thank you. And I was really looking forward to this interview because I have done my own research into very suspicious data behind the forest fires, but you have much more in-depth information. You have quite a number of images that raise real questions, and I invite you now to share those images, please. Yeah, I was going to start up here in Canada, in your neck of the woods. I could not find a whole lot of pictures of vehicles and homes. For some reason, they're keeping those off of the internet. So, some of these are the Jasper fire and a few, I think, from your recent fires this year. But I wanted to start out with some of the materials here, what the vehicles look like in these fires. And these fires are not Canada-specific. They are all around the world, every country, it seems like. And if there are anomalies I've never seen in my whole life, the vehicles here, the auto glass in all your vehicles start melting at 2,500 degrees to start melting and perhaps go up to 27 or even 3,000 degrees to melt out like they are in this picture. That never happens naturally. Your wood combustion fires we know of, or forest fires, top out at 1,472 degrees. And that's at a maximum without using any type of accelerants. Yet every vehicle I've seen in almost eight years now, every window with no exception has been melted out. Yes. There's not one that has not been melted out. (3:13 - 4:55) And that pretty much goes with the aluminum and alloy rims. Their melting point starts at 1,221 degrees at ground level. And there's no flames under these vehicles that would warrant that kind of heat like this one. This is cement down there. But yet I will see aluminum and alloy rims melted out and flowing 20 or 30 feet from a vehicle, whether it's on cement, tar, blacktop, or even dirt. And there's nothing out in the field to even keep them liquefied. So that's a common occurrence that I'm seeing at every aftermath. By the way, I've been to 46 of these fire aftermaths, and between three and five of them were, I deem, normal fires where the trees actually burned up and I could find zero anomalies. Many of those were just cars that caught on fire and burned up grasslands next to a road. But all the rest were something much different. I've also taken 128 trips to these 46 aftermaths. Many of them I've been there 10 times, and always looking for new anomalies, more photographs to take and share with the world. I've studied the plant kingdom myself for half a century now, 50 years. I've been doing tree work for 33 years. I was an arborist for 20 years. Now I'm not certified, but I'll always remain an arborist. And I've actually backpacked for half a century and climbed well over 100 mountains. And I've always been analyzing plants my entire adult life, everything that grows. (4:57 - 5:09) And in 2017, I found some photographs of Santa Rosa that made no sense to me. And I will get to that photograph later on in my presentation, and I'll talk about that. But let's stick with Canada right now. (5:12 - 6:39) This is perhaps a year and a half or two years ago, part of the Jasper fire, where all the windows of the vehicles, they're all melted out, paint's gone, nothing left but metals that melt at a much higher temperature. But yet what I see is the trees. I'm not sure the species of pine or larch possibly here, maybe even a fir or spruce, but they're all in the pine family, and they didn't want to burn. I rarely see the trees burn unless they're close to metals or water, like a river, creek, lake, spring, even swimming pools. I will see trees burned in those types of areas or right next to a home, perhaps six to 10 feet away. Anything farther and the trees may be dead, but I can't see they're burned up. So, and I'm looking at this picture you're showing right now, Robert, and as you said, you need 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit to melt the glass in those vehicles. The trees in that picture are directly behind it. Is there anything in your experience that would lead you to think that you could have that kind of heat around those vehicles and those trees, they're not, I mean, even the branches, the leaves on the branches aren't entirely burned away. That's right. In normal forest fires, first thing that burns on any fire is the needles and then the twigs, and then it works its way up to the bigger branches. And we had massive heat here everywhere, very high heat, I hear. (6:41 - 7:18) But what I say lately is the organic matter doesn't recognize the flames. This is a different animal. Subtle way of putting it. The composition of these flames is more in the microwave arena. I do not know the exact composition of these flames, but it does not recognize the organic matter. So, I'll find this everywhere, needles unburned. Some of these needles and branches of trees hang down four feet from a vehicle, right above it. The needles might turn brown or even black, but I can't say they burn up. And there's massive flames everywhere. (7:21 - 7:46) I'm trying to pick out the clearer pictures. There was a lot of blurry ones that didn't work. The same areas up in Canada in 2023. In that year, the people who did this stuff burned 43 million acres in Canada. That's an ungodly amount of acreage. And I don't think that's ever happened before until possibly the last eight to 10 years. (7:47 - 8:07) Yeah. And I want to add something to that statement, Robert. And this is something some of my viewers will have seen in the past. I found information from the European Forest Fire Information Service from that year, which showed fires in Europe, in the European Union and in the US were actually slightly lower than normal that year. In Canada, it was a hockey stick. It went through the roof. (8:08 - 8:50) And the liberal government was blaming it on global warming. Global warming that apparently is only happening in Canada. Yeah. I hear of that rhetoric of global warming. That doesn't work well for me. Not at all. I'm in the mountains all the time. Plant life has not changed. Snow levels has not changed in 50 years. I'm still waiting for this climate change animal. It's just a gigantic fabrication. Anyway, I'm not sure where this is exactly. Also, I will find the cars dented and squished. And I know they're not moved around. When you move a car around, you pick it up and take it away. (8:50 - 9:37) And I will see them all crumpled like this or even upside down. And there's no heavy winds. I don't know what's turning these things upside down. This is the Jasper area where they burned a third of the city. And the homes turned to white dust. There's rarely any black or carbon area. And yet, what do you see? Trees everywhere. The only ones that burned were in very close proximity to houses. And these were close together. So perhaps it was a trailer, a mobile home park. I see a lot of them were very close together. That's about the only time where they'll actually burn some of the trees. And I know the fire was everywhere in the forest back there. I will get to other photos that are very similar. This is happening worldwide. (9:38 - 10:08) It's in all the countries. You'd see them on the internet. Greece and Portugal, China, Australia, London. Just everywhere. Even the country of Chile. And right now, Europe's on fire in all the countries. I saw it on the internet, a map. More of the same. The vehicles are all melted out. You never see dents on a roof unless it was a rollover. All these dents in places they shouldn't be. And I see this quite often. (10:08 - 11:21) Crumpled up like an aluminum can, a beer can. I'd like your thought on this, Robert, because the one thing I can think of that would do that would be if the exterior of the vehicle became extremely hot in a very short period of time before the windows had a chance to shatter or melt, that could cause the pressure difference that might crumple the metal. Possibly. Possibly. It's a tall order though. I will see this a lot often. The engines that have a lot of aluminum and alloy parts, they will be melted out. And there's no way a couple of and plastic pieces around your radiator and belts could get to these temperatures to do that to engines. I will see a lot of aluminum thinking it's aluminum wheels and it's not. It's part of the engine running out and down the road 20 or 30 feet. And it looks like a spruce tree here. You have a lot of different species of spruce up in Canada. That spruce is right next to the tree. We've got horrific flames everywhere. And the spruce just amazes me when I see this. (11:23 - 11:51) Another vehicle of course. The windows melted out. The paint. Everything is just gone except for the metal body and metal metal rims also. Those melting points are up closer to the 4,000 foot mark. Depends on the composition of the metals. This was a real damning photograph looking down. And you know Canada is very green. Whatever season this was, look at all the greenery. (11:52 - 12:11) And there's the trees between the homes. I can't say they're all burned up like a normal forest fire. In the background where that tall whatever that is a tower maybe. All you see is dead trees but they refuse to burn up. That's really shocking for me. I'm an old mountain man. (12:11 - 13:12) I've seen my share of wildfires from sea level to 11,000 feet. I know what they look like. I know trees burn and which ones don't. And I've never seen anything like this. It's just as it really blows me away. Here's a before and after. I believe that's this year. Yeah this one's this year. And you look behind it and the conifers. The pine family. Primarily it's the pine family. Those are some false cedars in there. They're kind of left okay. Maybe light shade of green or even light tan. But the ones in front are more deciduous trees that hold more water and more liquefied. More on the water state instead of sappy and you know slow moving sap. Those are the ones that burn the most. The ones that hold the most liquids in a fluid state like water. And I find that everywhere. The extreme water lovers. You have many of those up there. The cottonwoods, the alders, the birch, the poplars. Those are burning first and all your willows of course. And they're all in the same family mostly. (13:12 - 14:23) The willows and the cottonwoods and all their birch trees. These things they're burning from the inside out. Leafless. And not the conifers. It's opposite world. Those trees should be left alone. Maybe burn some leaves and they would re-sprout and grow in a normal forest fire. The pines would burn in their entirety and leave a blackened pole with some huge limbs. That's the way they are. I've seen many of these. And just to clarify Robert. I just want to repeat what you've just told us. We've got all of these deciduous trees that have a very high water content. And of course if it's got a high water content it shouldn't burn. I mean anybody who's ever tried to start a campfire with green wood knows this. But you're right. Throw a evergreen tree into a fire and if it's dried out at all it bursts immediately into flame. So what we're seeing is the exact opposite of what we should be seeing. That's right. The worst families that are not aquatic but they're the highest water holding capacity trees in the western U.S. probably Canada is the willow family which encompasses all the populars. All the quaking aspen like right here. (14:23 - 17:00) These are quaking aspen. They hold a ton of water. When I cut them open for a living water will geyser out of the stump an inch high because of the pressure in the roots. This would be the last thing to burn and they would re-sprout. This is what a real forest fire looks like. And you notice in the media in America we only have six owners of our entire media. They've deleted the word forest. Wherever you see them talking about these fires they say wildfires. They don't want to attach the name forest to them because the forest is not burning. They've taken that out. They've socially engineered forest out of forest fires. This is a real one as far as I can tell. This is the way they look. This is perhaps two years later because the chinkapin is growing back. It's a form of plant in the oak family up by the volcano Mount Lassen in California. This is the way they look. They burn everything and leave blackened poles sometimes a low stump. None of these were cut with a chainsaw. This is the way they look and I've backpacked through many of these areas like this. Limbless. Wow. Not like this. In California south of San Francisco we have a state park called Big Basin State Park. It's all redwoods and they burn the whole park and close it off for two years so nobody could go in it. When they reopened it you had to get a day use permit to drive through and you had to get on the computer to get it and pay your money through the computer. You couldn't just drive up and somebody takes your cash. Even if you showed up for the day and they had room for you they wouldn't take cash. They're slowly getting us out of the wilderness areas and I'm seeing this at least in California everywhere. They're doing the same thing here in Canada. They're doing the same? Yes. Yeah. This is the same park. This happens to be blue gum eucalyptus. Arguably one of the most flammable genus of plants in the world. Eucalyptus genus. You can light them on fire with a cigarette lighter. This is the Big Basin fire that came down and actually crossed the highway and almost went to the ocean. Pacific Ocean. Here they are. The ground was on fire. Grass was burning everywhere. It went right through the trees and the leaves are on the ground as you can see. It refused to ignite eucalyptus leaves. This is one of my fire starters if I'm in the lowlands. I find the trees, pull some green leaves off, put in my campfire and just a little bit of work, they're on fire. Yes, because of the oils in the leaves. That's right. The oils are very flammable. (17:00 - 17:15) Same with your laurel family which has avocados in it. The California bay leaf. It's kind of in our state a little bit of Oregon. Same thing. Those oils, green leaf, you can light them on fire with a cigarette lighter. What happened here with flames everywhere, they refused to ignite. (17:16 - 17:36) And that's why I say the fire doesn't recognize the organics. It's the wrong flame. These trees didn't die. They suckered back but still they should have ignited and burned to the ground. We had the fire in Berkeley, California 30 years ago. It burned all the eucalyptus to the ground. (17:36 - 18:26) A few poles were left. Now this is a little bit north of Santa Rosa area. There was a horrific fire up there. They burned 4,700 homes. This happens to be the largest water holding capacity tree I know of and at least in the western United States. It's king of the cottonwood and uh willow family called a Fremont cottonwood. These can get gargantuan. There's one in Carson City, Nevada, perhaps 15 feet through. So this holds more water, liquefied water than any other tree I know of. This was in a spring. It didn't have heartwood. It didn't have a cavity. Yet it burned from the inside out like a microwave and not one leaf burned. There's two of them here actually and I highlighted this one. If they don't get enough water they will start hollowing out. (18:26 - 19:42) This was in a spring in October. It had all the water it needed. It was a vigorous young tree in my eyes. But look what happened. Not a leaf burn and it burned from the inside out. They will also burn subterranean down into the ground way down in the roots where the oxygen levels are very low and just burn all the way to the ends. And I believe it's the water that is being ignited or energized if you will. And correct me if I'm wrong on this but roots under the ground burning shouldn't be possible because there's no oxygen. That's right. I mean you will see it in pine trees, firs, spruce, the pine family. But it's more of a smoldering effect and it takes time and it doesn't burn them completely 20 feet away from a tree and there's nothing around. Just that sap. It does ignite fairly quick in lower temperatures but to leave these holes that I've seen and these are water lovers. This is the last tree to burn. Cut one of these down and try to put in your fireplace. It's going to be there for a month. You can build a fire around it. It's going to sit there. This is a mulberry tree like the giant fig tree in Lahaina. They're in the same family. They have white juice in this family. (19:42 - 20:48) Mulberries and fig trees are related. These have a ton of water when I cut them down. It was out in California Delta. Mulberry trees hold a ton of water. Very hard wood and in this area the grass didn't burn. First thing it should but these were in lawns. Nice green lawns that are moist. They're watered and they were taken care of. That's a mobile home park where I believe 19 mobile homes burned up and this thing looks like lightning hit it for I don't know an hour. I've never seen like it. The barb flew off. It cooked from the inside out. Just ghastly. I want to talk about some materials. When I go to these homes I will find tires everywhere. This is perhaps one out of 200 tires. It's completely unaffected. It will not be melted or burned anywhere. Zero. And there it is a polyester cord. Perhaps it has one little steel belt to hold it on the rim. You know a little bead for tightness to keep it on your rim. That's about it. Largely it's complete rubber. (20:49 - 22:07) The other 199 tires look like this. There's nothing in between. They're filled with slinky like steel belts. They're burned beyond recognition and they're just gone. There's never a piece of rubber left ever. It's one or the other. And this doesn't have all that mesh of steel. It leads me to believe this is a tire being put in a gigantic microwave. It doesn't recognize the microwave safe rubber if you will. I find this everywhere. I have loads of pictures of the same thing. And there will be that one. Sometimes it's a person that's a hoarder of tires. And there might be two three hundred tires in piles. And there'll be that one left alone. I'll get in there close and get a close-up picture of that polyester cord. This is one of the most damning evidences I've ever seen. My girlfriend found this one. The big basin fire also. The fire was on the ground everywhere and way up here where the nails are. It looks like a bite out of it. Why were the nails on fire? It's one of my biggest questions. People can't answer it. The only place on the post. Many times besides burning where the hardware is, whether it's nails, screws, bolts, or hinges, at the ground they'll be on fire. And then go out. Maybe a foot high, they'll just go out. (22:08 - 22:31) And I attribute that to the metals that are present in the ground and the moisture, the water. It's kind of a vascular system. The electric current goes through the ground and burns everything on the bottom, like the trees. And these posts, these posts are all dry. They should have just burned the post and dropped all the metal in the ground. I've not seen that in all these aftermaths. (22:32 - 23:13) This one I have in my possession since it was littered, found out in the roadway. I took it home. There was about 12 of these nails and they were falling out as I was trying to move it around, take pictures. There's a man, an old gentleman in jail that I talk about often, Edward Wakerman in Mariposa, California by Yosemite. They're blaming him on the oak fire. He couldn't have started that fire. This is way above his capability, unless he's a super scientist. This is the top board to a fence. It's a two by four, eight feet long. It already burned where the nails are, nowhere else. I think there's three or four nails left in it. I keep it. (23:14 - 23:24) They're doing this everywhere in California. I can't talk about this year, but before that, every person in jail, I've analyzed those fires. Not one of them could have started these fires. (23:24 - 23:36) One person's in prison. They already convicted him. Never saw him do it. They just blame it on innocent people. And that really gets under my skin. And I've analyzed all those same fires. (23:36 - 24:19) Why were the nails on fire and not the board? This will be on the cover of my book. I'm going to print. It'll be out later this summer called Microwave Forest Fires. A blonde haired lady Redding, California. They put her in jail three years now. Nails are on fire again. Many anomalies before they put her in jail. I happened to go up there and analyze the whole fire footprint. Homes turned to white ash, trees may be dead, but not burned. I'm showing these because he's come from various fire aftermaths. They all have the metals on fire, all different fence posts. This was far and wide, most of central California, all the way to the Oregon border. (24:20 - 24:47) Why were the nails on fire? I think what you're saying, just to be really clear, Robert, is the wood burned, but it only burned around the nails. So the nails weren't on fire, but obviously the nails were very, very hot, hot enough to ignite the wood, burn it away. And that heat had to have been maintained for a while because if those nails had reached a high temperature enough to start charring the wood, and then it cooled down again, the wood wouldn't have kept burning. (24:48 - 25:20) Yeah, they're only burning because of the ignition of the nails. Once the weapon, I'll have to say, once the weapon is turned off, they just go out. If it was normal wood fires that we know of, it would have burned the whole post and dropped the nails on the ground. They don't just burn where the nails are and refuse to climb, fire likes to climb. So we don't know how long, whether it was a minute, 10 minutes or an hour, but the flames stay on the nails. They don't really, the wood only burns because of super close proximity, but will not spread. (25:22 - 25:59) And homes are full of metal. Homes have metal everywhere. Millions of nails. This is a split rail fence made out of false cedar, either red or incense cedar of California. This was a tall one, only where the nails are again. I went by her two or three times and they saw me and one day the whole fence was gone. They took it away. They didn't like what I was seeing. Yeah, so this is everywhere. I wanted to show that. Some of the barbed wire will not hold a heat unless it's severely wrapped like the top and there's many nails also in the top area. I see this, I see this often and that's actually a railroad tie. (26:00 - 27:55) There was also eucalyptus up there in Redding, California and not one leaf burned over on our highway 101 corridor. It's our fastest road north to Oregon along the coastal areas. It goes through redwood groves everywhere. There was a fire up there by Lake Mendocino and they put a guy in prison and he is in prison now. He went through a jury and everything. Before that, I happened to go up there for two or three trips. This is a parking block, perhaps 30 feet long on the ground where you pull your car up, put your wheels against it and turn the engine off. They only burn where the bolts are, where the post goes into the ground and they, you know, bolted out to this post. These are all different. That's the only place that wood burned. So I'm seeing this a lot. This is one here down in California by the San Francisco Bay Area. They burn one house down and anomalies just everywhere. The screw's on fire. Guardrails, I will see this quite often. They'll burn at the ground and where the bolt is. That's it. Sometimes the guardrails are bent. That's amazing. And I don't believe cars hit them. That's perhaps my best guardrail photo there. Now back to that mobile home park where the mulberry was burned. There was also eucalyptus there, baby feasting night. Here your mobile home is just gone. It's scrap metal. Why is the wooden porch left alone? The only wood on the property refused to ignite. And it's right there. I mean, the coach is just gone. There's nothing left. No, that wood is, uh, was a new fire retardant paint. This one's more damning. This is one of my famous pictures, same mobile home in the background. There's eucalyptus leaves hanging down. Here's the fireman. I quizzed them all. They didn't have a clue what was going on. (27:55 - 31:38) Uh, there was still some flames in the background. Actually, here's the same, a different mobile home. Here's the deck. That's the doorframe to walk inside. Look at the wood deck, even on the side of the coach. It didn't even turn black at all. The only wood on the property. And there's other objects here in the foreground. Uh, the plastics and stuff that are microwave safe, but there you go. Flames everywhere. Your whole coach is gone, but your wood refused to ignite. Oh, I tell you the things I've seen in eight years. Up in Calistoga and Santa Rosa, we had a horrific fire that burned the whole North coast range from highway 80 all the way to the wine country. Um, I don't remember how many homes, I think at least 1500. And I'd stop and look at a few of these areas. Your synthetic cushions unmarred, not burned, no blemishes. Pick it up. There's dirt underneath, no leaves. It's been sitting there. Same property. The sole bag tried to melt a little bit. I moved it around. It was sitting there. A thin plastic like that. Let me show you what I can do with one cigarette lighter. Huh. The tennis shoe. Yeah. All this stuff, I move it around to play devil's advocate. Um, make sure nobody's dropping this stuff off. Uh, down in big basin, there's a plastic swimming pool. And the media talks about flying numbers. All they say is, oh, the flying numbers must've done it. Where are the holes in this plastic swimming pool? And all the redwood trees that supposedly burned, there's the needles. They didn't burn, just the trunks. And I attribute that, the blackening, uh, to the vascular system. Your main growth layer in the trees is the cambial, cambium layer. And the cambial fluids are right underneath the bark. I believe they're energized. And that's why all the trunks are black, especially the water lovers. Boy. Um, so they're, they're all growing back, the redwoods. I can't say they burned up. Another fire to the north, Lake Sonoma, California. They had a huge one and I investigated and I found out where they're stockpiling the, uh, non-flammable materials. All of these should have melted away to nothing. There's wood in here and plastics and just pretty much everything off your property that refused to melt. Even the tarp over there across the creek area. Um, they're doing this. They're stockpiling everything in your yard, trespassing, if you will, stealing everything off your property, getting rid of evidence. Um, by the way, these are the two tallest trees in the world. Uh, our coastal redwood tallest tree and our Douglas fir, uh, king of the pine family, which just happened to be second tallest in the world. Um, no leaves burning. They're just turning brown. Luckily, some of these are suckering back. Perhaps this is a couple months later. There's some new growth. I'm finding piles like this. If I can get in there quick enough and look around, I will find things that should have burned and they did not. There's a closeup of your windows and I believe you'll see this in Canada everywhere. The same materials. If people can get in there, bring a lot of people with you, bring a hundred people in there, get in there and take pictures, share it with the world. We have to get the, we have to get this out. We're being attacked worldwide. This is kind of a new one I've been talking about. This is your redwood trees to the, to me, these are toddlers. A redwood tree can be 15 feet across in diameter and even more. A tree this small shouldn't have that big dark area, which is the heartwood non-conductive tissue, deadwood. The only live tissue is the white around the perimeter. (31:39 - 32:11) I've cut down this size of redwoods for 33 years. Usually they're completely white with sapwood and maybe a tiny bit of brown in the middle where they're starting to get some heartwood. Maybe they're not in a lawn or a water loving area. These were cooked from the inside out. I don't know what rate, if it's faster or does it take hours? I have no idea. But they're being cooked from the inside out like a microwave. I'm finding this many times now. So if I see log piles, I analyze them and I take pictures. Never seen that 33 years cutting trees down. (32:12 - 33:40) It's another one. I believe we have oaks, eucalyptus and Douglas fir, I think. Hard to tell here, but same thing. These are more hardwoods. But look at the brown, the dead non-conductive tissue or heartwood in the middle. That's too big for these little toddlers. A Douglas fir can be eight or nine feet through the world's records. These little things have, they're acting like an 80 year old man. They shouldn't have this huge amount of heartwood. Up near the top is a few with smaller amounts of heartwood. That's more on the normal side. So they're being cooked at what rate? I don't know. Back to Redding, California, where the lady's in jail. They have no evidence against her. Nothing. I have all the evidence. Here's a two-story house just missing. Not one tree burned. There's a Deidara cedar left to the left, the skinny one. That's from the Himalayas pine family. The digger pine on the far left. On the right, the thick one that's with needles is our number one tree, forest tree in California. The ponderosa pine. There's also valley oak, blue oak, interior live oak, canyon oak, and I think black oak here. At least four to five oaks. Those are the ones that burn because they hold the most moisture. I didn't have the heart to tell this gentleman what happened to his house. He was there. I met him. The forest didn't burn, just the homes. This is kind of a famous picture. It's not mine. Somebody took it from the air. (33:41 - 34:48) On the left of the bottom is a jack-in-the-box. The right is a gas station. And the top is the McDonald's. Santa Rosa. The only thing that burned is the three buildings. All the trees were left alone. They want to tell us the flying embers went from building to building and forgot the trees. All three trees are related to poison oak. California pepper, Brazilian pepper, and African sumac. And they didn't, they refused to combust. Yeah, I don't know who shot the picture. It's a pretty good photo though. This was a walnut orchard. All these trees were in a row. All of them burned at the bottom. And the grass has been kept up. They either had cattle out here or they were mowing it. In the background, unburned, short little grass. It didn't carry a flame. This burned from the inside out because the liquid's inside of it. Walnuts will hold a lot of water. They're very drought tolerant. They're survivors. They'll grow with nothing. You put an acorn in the ground in winter, it grows. You don't even have to water it. We've got a tree here that burned so intensely at the base that it fell over. (34:49 - 36:28) But the leaves, at least on that piece on the left, are not burned. That's right. The liquids were on fire. Now in your experience as an arborist, how long would the base of that tree have to burn under a normal fire before that tree's going to fall over? Well, if you could keep enough flames on it, at least a week. And I mean, you better be putting firewood against it and getting the heat hot enough. And it would take a long time. It's full of water. Yeah. It's just near impossible. A lot of people want to say, well, it had a cavity in it. I don't believe that. Walnut trees are very, very, very hardy. I've cut them down forever. This is a vineyard a half mile from the fire that was on a mountainside. It's way out in the middle of the grapes. Here it burned from the inside out along with two or three more on the same road. And actually I met a lady here in the Bay Area that owned the property. I couldn't believe it. That was her property. Small world. The only thing that burned is the inside of this oak or California Bay. Can't tell the difference. Here's that same orchard behind me. There's many walnut trees that look like this. They just fell over and they burned only at the bottom. Even if you had four foot grass here with shrubs around it, they would not do this to a walnut. No way. The fire would pass it by, turn the trunk black, and it'd maybe kill some leaves and it'd resprout. This is happening everywhere. This is a blue oak. (36:28 - 38:50) Oh. Actually in Mariposa again where the gentleman's in jail. There's nothing around it but rocks and dirt and it burned from the inside out. Blue oaks are slow growing, usually a shorter stature tree. Huh. I believe this is Canada. This is out of order. Oh no, you can't grow palm trees. No. I don't think you can grow palm trees up there. Well, we can on the very far west coast, but you got to be right near the water to get those. Okay. Oh, I think this is actually south. We had two big fires in Los Angeles in January, middle of winter. The Eaton and the Palisades fire. They burned 16,307 homes to white ash. I kept this one because the plastic chairs. Not touched. Oh, some house here, just gone. I find this quite often. Back to Mariposa. Here's another pile that they're going to take away on private property. They just collect everything. I think the workers don't know any better, but look at all the plastics. A lot of plastics. There's metals with it, but it was behind this container freight. The inside of that container freight looked like they had a blast furnace in there. I mean, it's all metal. I opened the doors up and looked inside. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. Garden hoses. I will find garden hoses, maybe flat a little bit from the heat, but they'll only burn at the ends where the metal is, either at the faucet or where you put your sprinkler on. Oh, that's a nice looking guy. Now this goes to LA in January. Most people should understand this photo if they just think for a minute. This is either Eaton or Palisades. I think it's the Eaton fire. Only homes are gone and they're white ash. There's no black. Look at the trees. What kind of fire can go through a neighborhood like this and not burn the trees to a crisp? I mean, hours of burning homes down. This is what microwave technology is doing. It's just an amazing thing. I mean, I'm still looking for the burned up trees. Perhaps there's a few in there, but they should all be gone. The homes are gone. Yeah, it's an amazing thing. (38:52 - 39:40) And I have some other photos. Yeah, there is another one, different direction of perhaps, different times of days. They're brown, not burned. Shock treatment for me, being a plant person for half a century and seeing my share of wildfires, you know, forest fires, real ones. Another one, just, and that shows the green more, that angle. There's still a light shade of green. And that's mostly because the water is being sucked out of them and heated up like in a microwave. What happens when you heat up a vegetable? It loses its color. It fades, dries out. The water gets cooked out of it. That's exactly what's happening here. They found a way to take that microwave energy out of that box in your kitchen and project it. That one's ghastly. Wow. Wish I took it. (39:43 - 40:49) Up north by our giant volcano, Mount Shasta, there was a fire up there. It was the same thing. I don't have a better picture of this. This is Paradise, 2018, where they burned 15,000 homes and a total of 18,000 structures. There's no black. The homes are white ash. Our number one pine tree in California is a ponderosa pine out of the 22 species we have. There's three or four firs, one spruce, two hemlocks, and then our imported deodar cedars and blue atlas cedars from Africa. Almost every tree in here is a ponderosa pine, some Sierra redwood is in there, and the lines of trees, the little ones in the line, are actually Italian cypress, and those were planted. I'm still trying to find a burned up tree. Maybe there's a couple in here where the fire leapt up and over the trees or went around them. I have a different theory, but we'll discuss that when you're done with your images. (40:49 - 42:17) That's true. My brother's an electrical designer, and he talks about wherever the weapon hits the ground, it goes underground and actually comes up to the metals everywhere. Maybe your theory's along that way. There was 10 mobile home parks in Paradise. All 10 were eliminated with very few coaches that survived. Here, all the way around, 360 degrees, there's ponderosa pine and perhaps some white fir. Hardly any trees burned, only the ones in very close proximity. Amazing what's left. This came up three to four years ago. It was in Colorado, one of the last days of December. It was a cold day, and they burned 919 homes around this grassland. No fire out there. Homes were gone. Half the trees are still intact. That's the only picture I have of that Colorado fire. Our biggest fire, we had, I believe, three years ago, was called the Dixie Fire. It was almost a million acres. That's big for California. It took the whole city of Greenville away, just south of our volcano, Mount Lassen, and I drove that highway, which is Highway 89, all the way to Lake Tahoe, and I analyzed three fires that trip. So this is the giant Dixie Fire, and I saw vast forests dead everywhere. The needles refused to burn, only the trunks and anomalies everywhere I go. (42:18 - 42:58) This one, I've been showing this for a while now, Lake Sonoma fire. The windows melted out at 25 degrees or more, 2500. The tires are gone, leaving the little steel belts. What's that plastic chainsaw sitting there for? That should have been the first thing to melt out in any of these fires. It's a little bit of damage, but it should be completely gone for the temperatures that were there. Plastic is microwave safe. A van up in Redding, all blue oaks in the background, they refused to burn. This is a Santa Rosa, Kincade Fire, it's called. This is a T-top. (42:58 - 43:04) What are those, 280Zs or something? It's a T-top. Wow. And no trees burned in this fire either. (43:05 - 44:01) There's a different one, the city of Greenville. I was there pretty late, so they got rid of a lot of evidence, but there was a wall next to the street, which they couldn't see over. I peeked over and I saw all the plastics. Homes were gone. I don't know how many homes, the whole city was gone. All that was left was one gas station and one food store. Everything else was just gone. Here's these plastics. I find this quite often. Swimming pool had a little bit of metals on it, and I believe those are the areas where it melted. There should be holes everywhere. Horrific firestorm, they say. There's even cardboard down there on the ground. Matt Dakin and John Lord, the two fire captains, both 30 years experience. I found them on the internet six, seven years ago, and they actually analyzed Paradise and Santa Rosa. (44:02 - 44:17) I looked them up on the internet, found them, and they became some of my best friends. Sadly, John passed away about two years ago now, but Matt and I, we do a lot of interviews, and he's just a wealth of information. One day, they both told me about the culvert pipes. (44:19 - 44:35) As soon as the fire's over, they'll come up and pull the pipes out of the ground and replace them with either plastic ones or a cement pipe, not metal again. What are they afraid of? The integrity of the pipe decreasing. Maybe it'll collapse when a diesel truck goes over it. (44:36 - 45:04) Some of these pipes are six or eight feet in the ground. A normal fire has nothing to do with those pipes, yet I found them at least four different fires now. When a fire crossed the road, they pulled the pipes out. This is at a over 8,000 feet sub-alpine belt with aspen trees around that hold their water and lodgepole pines. We don't have forest fires at 8,000 feet. That would be a rare lightning strike, and this fire went up there in two or three different places. (45:05 - 45:30) I found the pipes. They were at Kirkwood Ski Resort behind the gas station. There they were, yanked out and replaced, and at least four other places. Paradise did that, Salinas, Big Basin, and this one. This was the Caldor fire by Lake Tahoe. This one's damning. It's not my photo, but the buildings are all gone. The grass burned. The trees didn't even turn brown. (45:31 - 46:14) For the record, a grass fire with two or three foot grass will turn an oak tree all its leaves brown for 15 or 20 feet in the air just from a grass fire. Didn't happen this day. They refused to even turn brown. That was the Carr fire, I believe, Redding, California. This is one of my favorite famous pictures. It's a metal shop. The guy was a metal worker. All kinds of metals are everywhere. Tires in the foreground. Everything is completely gone except for the metals, and here on the left is a pinion pine. That's the pine nut of commerce that everybody eats, the pinion pine nut. All these flames everywhere, and that pine would not ignite. (46:14 - 49:21) It's still even pretty green. Anomalies everywhere. This is near Topaz Lake, Nevada in California, where they gamble along the Walker River system. I think it's the town of Walker, actually. A mountain shot. That's actually my last picture. I couldn't get enough Canadian pictures for you. They're not putting many vehicles or homes on the internet. A good hour, I could not find any photos to expand on. I kind of wonder why. All right, Robert, I'm not sure how many interviews you've done, how many conservative journalists you've done them with, but I'll tell you right now, my audience understands all of this. We've been aware that there's something very hinky going on, but you provided some additional evidence, some very good evidence, and let's be very plain about this. It's obvious that what we're seeing here is a directed weapon, almost certainly microwave-based. My theory would be that this is a microwave laser of what I believe is called a maser. I know that the US military has had for years now lasers that they could mount on a large aircraft that would shoot down an ICBM, and I'm wondering if that maybe is what we're seeing here. Something that's obviously coming from the air because of the precision of it. We've got these houses that are burning to ash, and this is a question that I also wanted to ask you, just for confirmation for the viewers. You have seen these odd fires you've taken pictures of, but you've also seen lots of real natural forest fires that have burned homes, and in those natural forest fires, I'm going to assume that A, the homes are not burned to white ash. They're blackened. There's going to be parts of the frame left as we've seen pictures of that kind of thing, and the trees around it are all burned because, of course, the fire came from the forest and ignited the houses. But what we're seeing in your pictures is houses burned to white ash while trees standing right next to them have not been barely touched. That's exactly correct. I'm an old mountain climber. I've been backpacking my whole life. I've seen plenty of fires everywhere at every elevation. When you do come upon a cabin that burned, like you said, it's black everywhere, and if it is burned up, the forest is gone too. It's not the opposite. And as far as lasers, I'm hearing lasers, masers, scalar waves, even a hint of 5G. I spoke to a guy that builds robots. I don't remember his name. He says the weapon is actually near infrared, lasers you can't see. And that's all I can expand on it, but that's what he said. You don't see these lasers and where they're coming from, whether it flies, floats, or it's on wheels. I think there's various vehicles they mount them on. John and Matt and I, we were just guessing that the possibility of satellites, but we don't know. It's just a guess. (49:23 - 52:44) Right. My personal leaning on this, and I want to make it very clear to both you and the viewers, I'm not a scientist. I'm certainly not a roboticist. I don't have any expertise in lasers, but we all know something about microwaves. The amount of, and obviously there's a huge difference between the energy that's being delivered by this weapon, whatever it is, and what we are getting in our microwave oven. But there's, once again, there's some odd things here, or rather, maybe they're not odd. Maybe the things that just make sense when you start to consider that this is a directed energy weapon. For example, all the glass melting. If you've ever tried, and the eucalyptus trees with the oil that don't, you know, that you can light them on fire with a lighter, but you hit them with microwaves, they don't burn. If you've ever tried to heat oil up in your microwave, in a glass container, like a Pyrex measuring cup, and I have done this, it will heat the oil, but it's very, very slow to heat. What will happen is the glass will get very hot. Now, I don't know if the glass is getting hot from the microwaves themselves, or the glass is getting hot by transference from the oil, but what I've found is that the glass gets hot faster than the oil does. So I suspect is the glass is actually heating up from the microwaves, or if it's near infrared laser, I'm not quite sure how that would penetrate inside the trees to heat up the water, which appears to be exactly what's happening, or why it would cause metal nails to heat up to the point where it burns the wood around them. But whatever this is, whatever technology they're using, I think it would have to be done from within the atmosphere, because the amount of power that you would need to do that from space, to shoot that beam through all that atmosphere and still have it hot enough to do all of this, would be astronomical. You would need probably several nuclear reactors to use that level of power. So it seems to me it has to be something that's closer to the ground. You would think, and part of this I start thinking of the Hutchinson effect, if that plays into any of this. I'm sure many people have studied what John Hutchinson's done. Yeah, it's hard to know exactly. We're just trying to play catch up, and all we can do is look at the materials. Oh, to this day, I don't think I've seen one eucalyptus leak burned in at least half of the fires I've been to. They're lower areas, because eucalypts are generally subtropical. They can't take a snow load. But there they are, hanging to the ground in all these aftermaths, and they don't want to ignite. We used to do an experiment years ago. We'd cut down a big blue gum, four feet in diameter, get rid of it, and there'd be a trunk with sap coming up, or oils. One of my friends was a smoker, and he'd light the oil on fire. The whole top of the trunk would turn blue with the flame, just like that. And we're not seeing that. The fires do not recognize the organic matter. Now this is very odd about this, was the decks that you showed that were attached to homes that burned to white ash, and the deck is still there. Now the wood can be explained, I would think, by the fact that that's old wood. It's very dried out. It doesn't have really any water content left in it, but there would have been nails in that deck. So if that didn't burn, that suggests to me that these directed weapons are so precise. That's right. They target the home, but they didn't target the deck. It could be. I have to agree with you there. I didn't even think about that. Most people say, oh, the wind was going the other way. The ambient heat- Not from that level of radiative heat. (52:44 - 53:42) It's touching the coach. It's touching it. No. If you've got sufficient heat to burn a home to white ash, the radiative heat alone should ignite that deck. That's right. Now one- Unless. Unless that home burned very quickly. I guess. Also, some of the metals are not igniting and holding it, they're not heating up, and those are the stainless steel. Now I didn't, at that point, I wasn't looking at those bolts, but I've seen them on swing sets that have plastic seats and things like that. They use stainless steel. Maybe galvanized sometimes, but mostly when you put these together, they're stainless steels. Somebody gave me the reasoning behind that, the plating they put on it. Those are not heating up, unless all the plastics they're attached to would be melted in those spots. So stainless is one of the ones that's not holding the heat, not a, whatever you call that, not igniting and getting hot. (53:42 - 54:46) I don't, I can't speak for that deck because that was a couple of years ago and I didn't look at the bolts themselves. I think Shane from Brush Junkie in LA, they told me about electromagnetic frequencies of stainless steel, but it's not my area. Now, here in Canada, our liberal government has been very forthright in stating that all these forest fires are being caused by global warming. And I made reference to that earlier with the data I found for the European Forest Fire Information Service that shows that's complete bunk, because if it is, it's global warming that's only happening in Canada. What is the narrative in the US over these forest fires? Oh, it's the same thing. They talk about that. I'm an old mountain climber. I mean, every two to three weeks, I'm climbing a mountain where I'm up at 10, 12,000 feet. The snow level's the same. The flowers are flowering the same. The trees aren't dead. Everything's the same since I've been climbing mountains for 50 years. There's no change. And this is even a cool summer, yet California has been on fire since May. But no, it's one gigantic fabrication to pull in our heartstreams, extract monies from us and keep us out of the countryside, which they're doing. (54:46 - 54:55) They're quadrupling fire insurances, dropping people. They're finding every way they can to get us out of the wilderness areas, and it's working. Right. (54:55 - 55:04) It's one giant fabrication. Something there they don't want us to see? No, they just want us out of the wildlands. It's the wildlands project, part of Agenda 21. (55:05 - 55:27) Get us in these sustainable cities, in these giant buildings, and not let us go on vacation ever again. Total control of the humans in the world. And they're doing this everywhere. When I drive to the Sierra, many turnouts have boulders in the way. Yosemite Valley, the famous Yosemite Valley, they put curbs everywhere so you can't pull over and stop. Then they shrink the parking lots. (55:28 - 55:34) Also in the same park, at 9,000 feet, Tuolumne Meadows, a favorite. They've fenced it off. It's not sustainable. (55:34 - 55:39) We've got to rehabilitate the meadow. So it's off limits now. There's a fence around it and signs. (55:39 - 55:50) You'll get a ticket if you're walking out in the grass. And there's only a few trails you walk out to the river, Tuolumne River system, and sit by the river. They've taken that away from us. (55:51 - 56:01) Every bit of it's a lie. Even our hot springs, at least four of our hot springs that you could walk up to and just get warm in the water, they've closed them down and say they're not sustainable. They're wearing that word out. (56:01 - 56:13) And it doesn't work very well for an old mountain man. A hot spring that's been there possibly for thousands of years is not sustainable. We've hiked to them for years, 100 years in Big Sur, California. (56:13 - 56:20) There's one 12 miles out. They close it down and they use that sustainable thing again. It really gets under my skin. (56:20 - 56:25) They don't want to talk to me either. None of them do. No, I would guess not. (56:25 - 56:34) There's one last thing that's, it's a question in my mind. I'll be very impressed if you have an answer. I certainly don't. (56:35 - 56:44) There are eyewitnesses to these fires. Usually not a lot because of course, once a neighborhood starts on fire, they want to evacuate everyone. But people do see the houses burn. (56:46 - 56:55) And so a couple of odd things occurred to me there. One, if it's a directed energy weapon, which I agree, that is exactly what we're looking at. All the evidence points to that. (56:56 - 57:17) Surely somebody at some point should have seen a house burst into flame when there was barely any fire around it. And the other thing that leads me to believe that these directed energy weapons are extremely precise, as, as you pointed out, looking at the different types of trees, those that have the high water content, those are the ones that burn. The ones that do not, don't burn. (57:18 - 57:34) Well, human beings have a very high water content. What's going to happen to a human being if they get caught by this directed energy weapon? And I would imagine that the amount of heat that would be released, they're basically going to explode. I hope they didn't feel a thing, but that has been happening. (57:35 - 57:41) And that's one of the reasons they close off these cities and towns. It's not for thieves. That's why the military is there. (57:41 - 57:48) They do not want anybody with cameras to get this out. But Lahaina, people were cooked in their cars. They couldn't even open the door. (57:49 - 58:00) Paradise, California, one of the roads leading out there, everybody was in their car. At least one of the people was looking in the mirror and saw that the cars in a line were exploding, catching on fire. Nothing else, just the cars. (58:00 - 58:07) And they got out and ran and their car was next. It exploded and burned. But the one or two tow truck drivers were in Paradise. (58:07 - 58:18) And my fire captains went up there with their outfits on and their badge, and they got in. They talked to the tow truck driver or two. And he said, almost all the cars had bones in them, nothing else. (58:19 - 58:31) Bones in your teeth fillings, just gone. Like you say, the water is part of the vascular system for these weapons. It heats up the liquids faster than anything. (58:31 - 58:40) So let's just hope that these poor people died quickly. It's just horrific. I would have to imagine, and it's very sad, but I have to imagine they did. (58:40 - 58:50) You see, this is where I can bring in some of my own knowledge. 40 plus years ago, I was a paramedic. And I have seen what we grimly would refer to as crispy critters. (58:51 - 59:03) People who died in fires, in houses, vehicles. And yes, you get a blackened body to the point where the person is no longer recognizable. But you don't just have bones left. (59:04 - 59:25) You almost did a crematorium to do that. And to have, I mean, there's just not enough combustible material in a car that it would burn that long to reduce a body to nothing but bones. That's some sort of external level of heat that is astronomical to cause that to happen. (59:25 - 59:43) The firemen that made these fires, and in New York 24 years ago, said the fires were really hard to put out and we couldn't get close enough to them, they were too hot. Same with a couple of our fires in California. We've, through different friends, we've talked to them and said they couldn't even get close to these things. (59:44 - 59:56) So we have no idea what the ultimate temperatures are. I believe they're between 3,000 and 4,000 degrees. That's just a broad area, but it's somewhere in that temperature range. (59:56 - 1:00:07) Unless the metals would start melting also. On many bridges, what these huge steel girders are swaying down. You know, bending way down, and there's nothing around to even do that. (1:00:08 - 1:00:17) Not even grass, just a creek and some sand. And the trees didn't burn. And here the roadways swayed down low, like 5 or 10 feet. (1:00:18 - 1:00:34) And also a railroad trestle in Oregon, a giant wooden railroad trestle. The wooden trestle might be burned here and there at the bolts, but the tracks on top are all bent and twisted and turned. If that bridge burned up completely, those rails would not bend at all. (1:00:34 - 1:00:37) No way. You'd never get to those temperatures. But yet there they are. (1:00:38 - 1:00:43) That's on the internet. A gigantic trestle going over a lake or a river. It's hundreds of feet up. (1:00:43 - 1:00:48) And you look it down. Somebody shot it with a drone or a helicopter. Here, all the tracks are bent and swayed. (1:00:49 - 1:00:55) And all the wood didn't burn under it. That was a damning picture. And I'd have to find that one again. (1:00:56 - 1:01:04) So the metals are being activated. And we don't know how hot they're getting, how long it takes. And we don't even know exactly which weapon. (1:01:04 - 1:01:25) It's all guesswork. And once again, thinking about the nails and the fence posts, this has to be a very relatively brief but extremely intense burst of energy. Because that level of energy that would heat a nail up to the point where it's going to burn the wood around it, if that continued for very long, well, the nail's going to melt. (1:01:28 - 1:01:35) It seems like it's holding the heat, but it doesn't get hot enough to melt the nails. I've not seen a melted nail. Homes are full of metal. (1:01:35 - 1:01:46) Who knows how many nails, bolts, hinges, beams, all that. And every time we see them, these homes are white ash. So all the metals in your house must get incredibly hot to make the whole house white ash. (1:01:47 - 1:01:59) I don't see partial houses unless they're right next to a major road and close to a fire station where they can come out. And I don't even know if the water is putting these fires out. I imagine it does at some point. (1:01:59 - 1:02:14) But if it's an electrical-based flame, maybe they're shooting powders on it, different types of fire suppressants. I don't know. But I've talked to many of the hosts, and they say water is not putting these fires out. (1:02:15 - 1:02:27) And there's a good reason why they're turning off the water to Lahaina and Palisades in California. Maybe the water can't put them out. And they wouldn't let them pump water out of the ocean in Santa Barbara area or Malibu. (1:02:27 - 1:02:35) The firemen wanted to pump it out of the ocean. They said, oh, no, you'll mess up the habitat of the ocean as houses are burning to the ground. That's what they said. (1:02:36 - 1:02:46) You're going to mess up the ecosystem or underwater habitat when homes are burning. That raises another question that I, once again, don't have any answer to. But it seems pretty clear. (1:02:47 - 1:02:52) They don't want them using salinated water. Maybe. And they turned off the water there. (1:02:52 - 1:02:56) Same as Lahaina. Turned off the cell phones. The police blocked the roads. (1:02:56 - 1:03:03) They didn't want anybody to get out. That was a kill city. The ones that survived are the ones that went around the barricades and escaped with their life. (1:03:04 - 1:03:13) Amazing what's going on in this world. Yes. Robert, thank you so much for your time today and for this research that you've done and the knowledge you've brought to this discussion. (1:03:14 - 1:03:22) Unfortunately, it's one of those things where we come away with as many new questions as have been answered. And I know you'll continue to work on it. I look forward to your book coming out. (1:03:22 - 1:03:25) And once again, thank you for your time. You're most welcome.