Will Dove 00:00 In my interviews, I seldom talk much about my own opinions. This is because the interview is not about what I think, but about what my guest thinks. Today, however, I believe it necessary that I discuss briefly my own view of the subject. My guest today is a committed Christian, whose faith is the driving force behind his actions. I, myself, am not a Christian, I call myself a respectful atheist. This means that I respect the faith of others without sharing that faith. I tell you this, because if I don't, you might think that this interview is intended as a defense of the Christian faith. In fact, this interview is intended to highlight the attack in our country, upon freedom of religion, and through that, upon freedom of speech, an attack that has been growing not just over the past few years, but for decades. Bill Whatcott, over the past 25 years, has been arrested almost 30 times, fined tens of thousands of dollars, and spent six months in prison. All for peacefully protesting abortion, and gay pride events where grown men display their genitalia in front of children. In 2016, Bill was charged with inciting hate, for handing out what were largely informational brochures at a gay pride event. He was acquitted. But now he's being charged and will face trial again, for exactly the same alleged hate crime. As far as I can tell, for no other reason, but that those behind the LGBT narrative want him punished for disagreeing with their views. Whether you yourself are a person of faith or not, it is vital to understand that our Charter rights to freedom of religion and freedom of speech are inextricably linked. The left is trying very hard to silence Bill by denying him the right to peacefully state the tenets of his Christian faith. If they succeed, it will not be long before the rest of us, Christian, Muslim, atheist, will be forbidden by law to voice our objection to the leftist narrative and to the damage it is doing to our children. Bill, welcome to the show. Thank you for taking the time for this interview. Because, as I said in my introduction, this is an extremely important concept, this freedom of religion, freedom of speech being tied together. And before we get into the history of this, which has been going on actually for a very long time, I'd appreciate if you would give the viewers a quick summary of the current case that you're facing and where it started. What's happened with it to this point? Bill Whatcott 03:24 Okay, well, it started in 2016. Well, then I marched in the Toronto homosexual shame parade as a gay zombie cannabis consumer because they would not accept me as an openly Christian man. It was a stunt, it was meant to be humorous with a serious message. We put out in about 30 minutes 3000 fliers, we call them zombie safe sex packages. And we put a $5 price tag on them but we handed them out for free. The $5 price tag just ensured nobody would throw them out and it worked. They, people thought they were getting the best condom in the world. What they really got was a gospel message, good news that Christ died for their sins and warnings about the health and social consequences of homosexual behavior. To my surprise, they launched a $104 million lawsuit against me, I think about two weeks after we did this stunt. The bright Prime Minister blackface Trudeau was named as a victim in it, as was lesbian Premier Kathleen Wynne of Ontario. The Liberal Party of Canada was named as a subclass, because there was a class action lawsuit and then all the participants that were ever harmed by this flyer, and I don't know how you can be harmed by a flyer, but I guess in in woke candidates, it's possible. They were named as victims. Anyways, to make a long story short, they didn't get $104 million out of me. I don't even know why they thought I had that. And when the when the 104 million lawsuit floundered after two years, they dropped it and then launched a Canada wide arrest warrant, and charged me with willful promotion of hatred for my now two-year-old gospel flyer. They literally arrested me in Alberta and flew me back to, to Ontario to face this charge. And we did have one trial already, which I won. The crown just won't drop this. They took it to the Court of Appeal, the three judges that heard it and rendered a decision last week. Having read the judgment, I honestly believe they're more gay activists rather than real, unbiased judges. And they ordered me to go through a new trial. My thinking was that I would just ditch the country, and I'm now in Eastern Europe. But my lawyer is kind of seeking me to come back and appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. And so I'll probably be back next week to appeal this to the Supreme Court of Canada. Will Dove 06:07 So if I'm understanding this correctly, you were already tried for this once you were acquitted Bill Whatcott 06:12 [unintelligible] the class action lawsuit Will Dove 06:16 and now they're trying you again, for the same alleged crime? Bill Whatcott 06:20 Yes, that's right. Double Jeopardy, you got it. Will Dove 06:23 I thought this was illegal in Canada, that you couldn't be tried twice for the same thing. Bill Whatcott 06:28 In the US, that's the case. In Canada, and I agree with the Canadian law, by the way, if it's not abuse, if there's a severe error in law, the government can appeal as well as, as well as the defendant. It needs to be a severe error in law. And I think Justice Goldstein, the first trial judge in the Ontario Superior Court, I don't think he was a fan of mine. I just think he was a reasonable judge. And he looked at the Law Section 319. I looked at the law, Section 319 of the Criminal Code, that's a crime law. And I looked at my flyer, I don't see the hate crime. Seven years later, I don't see the hate crime. He was not my friend. But he looked at the flyer. And I, it took them a month to render a judgment because I think he wanted to find a crime. And he had to be honest and say there was none. And he acquitted me. Given that we're talking about flyers, to gay men with pictures of Jesus on their crotch, or naked bums are offended at, you think that the courts would have something better to do than keep litigating this, when they're dropping drug cases, and low level sexual assault with physical assault and property crimes? You think they might look at those but no, no, this is really important to them. Read over that. So they are re litigating it. Will Dove 07:53 Now, I've read over that flyer, Bill. I read over the flyer, it's only two pages. Yep. And I'm at a loss here for what could be construed as, as hatred. It's mostly verifiable medical knowledge, acknowledging that people who get in promiscuous on with sexuality are at much greater risk for sexually transmitted diseases. There's a little bit of scripture in there showing your religious views. Bill Whatcott 08:23 Yeah Will Dove 08:24 On what ground are they seeing this as being inciting hatred? Bill Whatcott 08:29 I honestly, and I'm biased. I admit I'm biased. But I've also admitted when I broke the law, like when I prayed in front of abortion clinics, even though I think that's an unjust law, I was breaking an injunction. I really did not set out to break Canada's federal hate crime law, even though I disagree with it. And based on previous cases, there was a guy up in Sudbury who was a bit of a, of a nutcase, I think, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was running around during the elections, which I think should be his right to do, because he is marginal. And I don't think he was a real threat. But he quoted Leviticus 20:13 I think it is, as a man lies as another man and they should be put to death. And he said Canada needs to bring back the death penalty for homosexuals. I think if that's your platform, you have the right to run on it and people who might not want that have the right to not vote for him. But I could see where it was a hate crime if you're going to have a hate crime. But that was the standard. And my flyer comes nowhere close to that. Now, on the flyer was blended verifiable facts, under intense scrutiny, some slightly outdated facts, but I'm not discouraged observe infectious disease, naturalist facts, nonetheless, in the 90s were not as a nurse it was true through their lifespan was knocked down by about 25 years, if you engaged in sodomy, and I would argue even... Well, number one, very few homosexuals are monogamous. But even if you were monogamous, it still has risks in all sexes just not a great way to do it. I say that for women who want to engage in that, if you want to really look at the science, and and then yeah, some some sociological facts. You know, the Liberal Party has been very friendly to pushing the child sexual abuse agenda. They say I'm using a trope, but Benjamin Levine was convicted of child porn. I w.., a magazine which is owned by Torstar, not exactly a conservative publication, acknowledged back in the day that Bill Graham was in a relationship with an underage male that was our former Foreign Affairs Minister. These are facts. So I don't know how you can charge with a criminal offense. Because I argued with facts and drew conclusions from those facts. Will Dove 10:53 Right. And your point was that some of the politicians who were behind pushing LGBT agenda are lesbian, a confirmed sex offender. Bill Whatcott 11:06 Yeah. They're not the greatest people. Will Dove 11:08 Right. This is. And these are facts. As you said, they're, they're verifiable. Bill Whatcott 11:13 These are facts. Yeah. If the judge wants, I think it's a one off and the rest are Jesus. That's his right. But I don't think that's the case. These are the greatest people, they don't have the greatest agenda for our country. That's what I believe. And I think Christianity has something better for us and for them. Will Dove 11:31 Now, they, they set a new trial, as we were talking about a few minutes ago. And the basis, as I understand it, was that the prosecution claimed that an expert witness for their side was not called [unintelligible] or excluded. Yeah, his name is Nick Mulé. He's a homosexual activist. I think that's a fair term. The guy has no expertise to build bridges or send space shuttles up to the up to the the moon or anything. But, you know, he is an expert in bathroom sex, park sex, snorting crystal meth during gay sex and queering social work. And, um, there might be a few things I missed, but if you want to look them up. Just Nick Mulé... Yeah, may I interject just for a minute, Bill, folks, I did look it up. If all of the link, nothing that Bill has just said, is meant to be a derogatory attack on . . it's right there in his profile. Bill Whatcott 12:35 I don't have a great deal of respect for it. But that is his profile, as he put it up himself. Will Dove 12:41 Right. So I just wanted to clarify that fact. Bill Whatcott 12:44 And I don't hate the guy, for whatever that's worth. I just don't respect it. Will Dove 12:48 Now, before we get into some more details, and some more questions I have for you. I'd like people to understand that this persecution, not just of yourself as a Christian for expressing your beliefs, but many Christians in our country, has been going on for a very long time. Many people think it's only been the last few years. It's been much longer than that. Would you please tell us just how far back it dates for you? And where it all started? Bill Whatcott 13:10 Yeah. Before I do that, can I just apprise your listeners of Nick Mulé? And the reason why I have to go on a new trial? Mr. Mulé is a poser, is supposedly a expert on gay persecution. And none of his curriculum vitae is actually on gay persecution. It's it's on gay activist studies. Well, I guess he does think people would get arrested in the park having public sex are persecuted. That is one of his arguments. But as it pertains to me and my flyer, and how this guy could possibly know if my flyer is hate speech or not, and tell the court that it's hate speech. I don't see it, but Justice Sossin he/him, he wants you to know, it's he/him on the end of his Twitter handle. Sossin said we need Nick Mulé's input into my, into my next coming trial in order to make an informed decision on my flyer. Now, to get to the, to the how long this has been going. Myself and Linda Gibbons are probably the first Christians that I know of, to get arrested for doing a public witness, but I do qualify that that I know of, because prior to coming into the pro life movement and becoming an outspoken Christian, as an atheist, and as probably part of the problem as a drug user and an actual criminal and not a very useful person as a young person, and consequently I had no opinion on Christianity other than I thought they were nuts. And I knew nothing about Christian persecution or any other persecution, other than I thought I was persecuted when I was getting busted for breaking into cars and dealing drugs which actually I wasn't, I was getting treated way too leniently. But that's that's another story. So I cleaned up my life and I became a nurse. And that, with God's grace, I should add, I didn't clean up my life on my own strength. I couldn't do it. And I don't believe I could have become a nurse on my own strength. But the Lord helped me to do that literally, literally within months of getting me out of prison. I went from drugs, almost this prison to becoming a nurse. It was quite a dramatic change. And I graduated with honors. While in nursing, I did have some hostile left-leaning teachers who would make up stories about hateful Christians, abusing women who wanted abortions, and I say their stories. I don't believe that. Based on 40 years of being a Christian and seeing how Christian pro life people behave, they don't hate women. They certainly don't call them names. They would get fired from their jobs if they abused them. So these are all just the delusional stories of neo marxist professors. And I remember having one professor saying you got to watch out for these people. Her name was Jo LeClaire at Humber College where I graduated with honors. She wrote on the board pro life and add this nutty story, that it's all rich women, women who can't have children and men. Well, the reality if you go to any prolife crisis pregnancy center, is probably a majority are women. Many of them mothers, many of them of child bearing age. This is not what she said. There is me and a couple other men involved in this work. Many men are pro choice, they want to get out child support. That is what I found in my years of counseling. These difficult pregnancies is the boyfriend or husband is leaving them, because they don't want the kid and pressuring them into the abortion. A far more common story. But anyways, anyways, Ithat was the first persecution. It was mostly verbal, at least in the early 90s. There was still some freedom on our campuses and I did graduate and get a job. In 1994, the NDP, the party of activists under Premier Bob Rae, with a Attorney General by the name of Marion Boyd, whose degree was Women's Studies, and her expertise in law enforcement was absolutely nothing. She became the attorney general for Ontario under Bob Rae. And one of the first things she did was launch $500,000 slap suits, on individual pro lifers. And she sought to get an injunction criminalizing all prayers, protests, counseling in front of abortion clinics in Ontario. Myself and Linda Gibbons and Catholic school teacher by name of Rosemarie Connell, we were the first three arrested under that law. A Catholic school teacher with no criminal record, they tried to get her six months and failed. Linda had some priors for prolife rescues at abortion clinics. They successfully got her six months in jail and I was sentenced to six months in jail. That was quite a shock. Because when you steal from someone's car, you get nothing. When you pray in front of abortion clinic, you get six months. When I was in the dawn jail, my Somali cell partner was on his second offense of slashing someone with a knife. first offense, he got 30 days. Second Offense, he got four months, I mean slashing, giving stitches, you know, serious stuff in my world. It would have been five years and out of the country. If it was me that was a judge, but he got to stay. And he only got four months. And he couldn't figure out how I got two months more than him. So you know, that's, that is how that is where Canada was at in the 90s. There was a lot of press persecution, some of it using state organs. Strangely our media stayed very, very quiet about it. I got involved with the LGBT issue. I think it was late 90s There was a mayor. Her name was Dianne Haskett. She was a Christian who was not as outspoken as me, but probably had as much courage, maybe more. And she had a ton of principle which I admired. She was a mayor of London, Ontario, I think it was about 99 If I remember, but don't quote me. Someone can look it up on Wikipedia. It's there. The the this, this LGBT group said you have to proclaim our gay pride parade. And she was not persecuting homosexuals. She was about, you know, city streets, low taxes, keeping London habitable for the working person. A very nice lady. She said as a Christian, I can't proclaim LGBT pride. She was the first Canadian I know of taken to a Human Rights Commission. They find her $10,000 for not proclaiming this day. And they literally held the judgement for 18 months to drop it in the middle of her election campaign. Now an interesting piece of history. The media went bananas on her and smelled blood. She knew that she couldn't effectively campaign because all the media wanted to do is scream about her alleged hatred for not proclaiming this day. She sat out the campaign and said I'll let the people of London decide, stayed absolutely silent. Her opponents were talking about her bigotry at every campaign stop. And I believe she won with a 60% margin. So that was that free night, but she's gone today. We we did counselor eventually, not we myself, I supported her, but Canada canceled her. At that point, I started speaking to this issue. And then in 2001, I was hit with my first human rights lawsuit that went to the Supreme Court of Canada. And sadly now when it comes to free speech cases, the wakad decision comes up all the time. It was settled in 2013. I was fined $7,500, and I think I was ordered to never say the word sodomite again in public. It's been a while since I looked at my decision. Anyways, I couldn't publicly speak on the issues anymore. And I've been making that that order ever since. Will Dove 21:04 I want to interject with a question about that case. 2000 when you're convicted of inciting? Yeah, 75,000 are fine. But 10 years later, on appeal, the decision is overturned. And it's reduced to a $500 Fine, is that correct? Bill Whatcott 21:22 You know, it was Wagner that said $75,000 fine. He gives these promotions website had my case on there. I don't know how Russians got stood in it. But anyways, anyways, no, I was actually fined 17,500. And which was a lot of money for 2001. And it was pretty heavy at the time. Nowadays, comedians get 30,000 for doing way less. You know, he writes, penalties have gone up way faster than inflation. So it was 17,500. And then on appeal to flyers were found to be hate speech, keep sodomites out of our public schools. And I think the other one was keep homosexuality out of our public schools. So I'm paraphrasing the titles, but I think that's pretty accurate, if not verbatim, and then this one ad, and it was an LGBT ad. It was in a magazine called Perceptions, which was a gay magazine. It was an ad men seeking boys age not so relevant. Actually, men seeking boys age, race or nationality. Not so relevant for writing exchanging pics and more. You read into that ad what you will. That was the ad, it was a classified ad, just just like you'd find on Kijiji nowadays, the classifieds back then, someone paid for that ad. And this magazine saw fit to publish it. And that magazine that I found was in the Regina Public Library where children could access it. So I photocopied it. Will Dove 23:00 I'm sorry, I want to get your What What year was this, that this ad appeared? Roughly. Bill Whatcott 23:07 I'm thinking 2001 to 2002. Will Dove 23:10 Okay, so I'm sorry, this I find this very difficult to internalize. You're being accused of inciting hatred for a two-page brochure that's full of verifiable medical facts and verifiable political facts, and a few paragraphs on your own Christian beliefs. [unintelligible] 20 plus years ago, this organization was able to put an ad in a magazine available in libraries to children. That is essentially, pedophilia, and this is okay. Bill Whatcott 23:44 They got tax funding to run that magazine. It was the gay and lesbian health services. The editor at the time was a homosexual activist who was also a health expert who testified against me at my human rights tribunal? And quite frankly, he couldn't keep his own bum healthy. He came down with renal cancer shortly after my trial. But anyways, anyway, yeah, this guy was mostly tax funded. And his his magazine Perceptions got some tax funding. I think it's defunct now. Thank goodness. There is nothing worthwhile in it. It's certainly not as classified ads. And yeah, and I didn't have the indie commentary. Let's be clear about that. There was no commentary of my own on that flyer. It was a verbatim photocopy of this ad. I took this ad to the Regina leader. Police. Sorry, the Regina city police. They laughed me out of the police station. Then I think I took that ad to every media outlet and they refused to cover it. And then I took that ad to the Saskatchewan party, and they weren't interested in it. So what I did is I photocopied 3500 copies of that ad, 3500 photocopies. And I wouldn't call it my commentary because it's not, but maybe it is at the end of the day, I quoted Luke, chapter five or six, you probably have some Christians, I don't have a Bible handy in front of me, Whoever causes one of these little ones who believes in me to stumble better a millstone be tied around their neck and the be cast in the sea. And then I had a little commentary, which was not a commentary as much as an education, because there was ads for bottom sex and ads for top sex. And for the layperson, who doesn't know what this means. I just said tops are the ones who want to sodomized, bottoms are the ones who want to get sodomized. That was it. And then my name and phone number. And I let the ad speak for itself. And I put that out and I was found guilty. Additionally, the Human Rights Tribunal gave me $10,000 fine for that particular flyer. And then the Court of Queen's Bench of Saskatchewan upheld a fine for that flyer, which really had none of my words, it was just their own photocopy of their ad. Their ad, these words, not mine. And yeah, the Supreme Court came around and says, Well, ya know, it's kind of hard to fight hate speech where Bill doesn't really speak and just puts a Bible verse in a photocopy of this ad. And so that was dropped. But the other two flyers were upheld as hate speech, which to this day, I viscerally disagree with that ruling. I believe those flyers were necessary, I don't believe it's a good idea to push LGBT propaganda in public schools. I know I'm not alone with those views. I'm sitting in a country when I was in Hungary, where it was against the law to put LGBT propaganda in public schools. And Russia has laws against putting LGBT propaganda in schools. So I'd say if you look on the world stage, my thinking is fairly mainstream. And it's not without merit. Will Dove 27:02 Right. Now returning to the current case, the one where they essentially reset the clock, and are going to try you again on the same charge. Bill Whatcott 27:10 They use that old case as the basis to justify this new case. Will Dove 27:14 So now you left the country because? Well, I think it's quite understandable why you left the country because you're being persecuted for your beliefs. Your lawyer is urging you to come back... Bill Whatcott 27:23 Jail. bondable. Wait, that's right, the crown is at work, right? Will Dove 27:27 They want to put you in prison, to silence you to stop you from exercising what I would call is just a right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion, that your lawyer has recommended that you come back, which implies that your lawyer believes you'll win this case. How do you feel about it? Bill Whatcott 27:41 He doesn't say that he knows he'll win the case. But he said that he sees and he's a very experienced lawyer, he ran the trial for Paul Bernardo years ago, serial killer in Canada. He's also the go to guy for the mafia, the Hamilton mafia and specific, and he has a lot of experience and a lot of wealthy clientele and a very solid reputation as a criminal defense lawyer. He said there's a lot of tactical errors and errors in law, in in the ruling and him and his junior law partner, this lady, I think her name's Mindy, they believe that the Supreme Court would look very seriously at that. I don't find the Supreme Court to be one that upholds the law, I find them to be judicial jock activists who rule whichever way they feel like, but his advice is I come back and give it a shot. I've prayed about it. I don't have a clear sense. But I want to be obedient to my God, and do what he wants me to do. If you have Christians watching this, please ask the Lord to guide and direct me on this. If he wants me to come back and fight another round. I don't feel like it. I've been there and I've lost before. And I didn't have a lot of respect for that ruling. But if God wants me there, then I want to be faithful in in that in that calling. Will Dove 29:07 And I'm sure that they will. I can't give you a precise number. But I can tell you that Christians are a disproportionately high percentage of my viewers. Bill Whatcott 29:15 Well, I appreciate that. Even if there's one old lady out there, your prayers might be very efficacious. Will Dove 29:22 Well, I think you'll get a lot more than that. Bill? Bill Whatcott 29:25 What? Will Dove 29:27 They're trying you for inciting hatred against gays. Do you hate gays? Bill Whatcott 29:31 Definitely not. I'm the one guy that can honestly say I've had a few gay friends. And I didn't get them just to say I could say that. They gravitated to me. I brought a few to Christ. But now they're ex-gays which aren't supposed to exist, their behavior changed. Will Dove 29:53 And so the reason for that you and these other volunteers went to this parade in 2016 and handed out the information that you did. It's not because your hate gays. And so why? Bill Whatcott 30:05 Information was directed to them for crying out loud. The flyer said we're concerned about your spiritual and physical welfare. How can this be hate speech? I'm directing that it's they're afraid. They're the ones reading my stuff. It's absurd. Will Dove 30:25 You've been arrested and imprisoned for praying outside of abortion clinics. Why do you object to abortion? Bill Whatcott 30:34 I believe human beings are made in God's image. And I believe life is sacred and valuable and worth protecting. from conception to natural death. The unborn child is every bit the human being as I am, and deserves no less and no more rights than me. Will Dove 30:52 So if and let's try the theoretical case. If it was some sort of clinic where people were taking their two and three year olds to have them put down because they didn't want them anymore. People standing outside of that facility and protesting, you probably validate, you simply start earlier because you believe because of your faith and the sanctity of human life, that life begins at conception, and therefore in your belief, what they're doing in that clinic is murder. Bill Whatcott 31:22 I think I also have science on my side. As a nurse, I studied fetal development. Whether you're an atheist or Christian, there's a heartbeat at 21 days. That's a fact. Brainwaves are detectable at 42 days. That's a fact. Most suction abortions happen around the sixth week. Some abortions, and I knew one guy in prison I had to comfort, had his baby murdered at seven months. At seven months, if you induce early labor, the kid lives on its own quite often. This is a human being. What my faith informs me is that a human being has value. That it's not an apple, it's not a dog. Genetically you were you at conception. That's, that's science. What you want to do with that is another matter. As a Christian, I believe life is made in God's image and worth and worth protecting. Will Dove 32:16 So I have to ask this question. Now, Bill, because we've laid a foundation, we've determined that you, your protests, outside of abortion clinics are based upon your belief in the sanctity of human life. We've determined that you not only don't hate gays, but from the viewpoint of your fate, you're trying to help them. Bill Whatcott 32:34 Absolutely. That's how I see it. Will Dove 32:38 They're trying very hard to silence you. Just for [unintelligible] agenda... Bill Whatcott 32:43 My flyers have [unintelligible] has been them trying to beat me up. Will Dove 32:48 Right? So they're trying to silence you. We're practicing freedom of religion, freedom of speech, in a way that I think, and, folks, we'll give you a link to that flyer so you can see it. I certainly don't see anything in it that would be inciting hatred. Why are they trying so hard to silence you, Bill? Bill Whatcott 33:08 I honestly think it's spiritual. Keep in mind, I'm not a large budget guy. There hasn't been groups banging down the door to help me out since I got charged. They could have ignored me. It was me and six other low budget Christians. At 3000 fliers we reached about 1% of the prayed. They lie. They say there's a million there. That's nonsense. But there's probably a quarter of a million and that's still a heck of a lot of people. I reached 1% of them and they ignored me. I wouldn't have gotten a tenth of the platform that I got by them watching this class action lawsuit in Canada-wide arrest warrant. It's spiritual, that truth really bothered them, that that's what it is. There is no logic to this. Politically, the LGBT is way more powerful than than me. You know, I don't represent all Christians. They, they they they can slaughter us in court, they can slaughter us in the media, they can slaughter us in the propaganda field. I can put out a little bit of truth and I just think God multiplied it. The one thing they can't do is they cannot defeat Jesus Christ as hard as they try. The living God is the living God. And he's much greater than me or them. And in as much as I properly represent His word, they are literally fighting not me, but the God who has saved my soul. And in that it's a fool's errand and they're gonna lose. So as weak and as insignificant as I am, they they will fail in trying to to silence me, even if they get me in jail. They're, they're still failing, but unfortunately, they're driven and they do just don't see it. Will Dove 35:01 They clearly don't want you to speak. But let's assume that's here. But they know that these parades were happening absent, adult men exposing themselves to children, which just that happened. I don't know where to start with that when we used to call that indecent exposure. And we arrested in prison people for that now, apparently, it's okay. But assuming that we remove that part from assume that these parades are being conducted with a low level of decorum that respected our children, would you have any objection to them expressing their opinion publicly? Bill Whatcott 35:32 Yeah, I wouldn't try to put them in jail. I'd put them in jail for showing their dinks to kids if I could, yes, and I'd probably outlaw the s&m as well. But if they were a nice parade, and they kept their clothes on, I would absolutely object to the homosexual ideology. But then of course, that will never happens. Will Dove 35:54 But not by trying to silence them. By no [unintelligible] by by exercising your right to freedom of speech. They have a right to express their opinion. And you have a right to express your opposing opinion. Bill Whatcott 36:05 Oh, I believe... Will Dove 36:06 Have you tried to silence these people Bill Whatcott 36:08 No. Christians have never done what they've done and certainly I haven't. I ran a website for years, called freenorthamerica.ca. And I had a number of LGBT and left wing folks become members. And I actually lost about a third of my Christians for refusing to ban these people. And I said, if they post pornography, they'll be banned. If they use F words, and some of them did it, they will be banned. If they do none of the above, and they make obnoxious arguments that I don't like. Honor the arguments. That was literally how I conducted my website, and I was willing to lose members to defend that principle. And I did. The fascists on the Christian side who couldn't tolerate opposing points of view, politely expressed, chose to leave my website and I let them go. Will Dove 37:05 Bill, one last question. The last several years, the LGBT agenda is being pushed in our schools, in our libraries, in our society. You know, the statistics, you know, that dramatic increase in the number of children now who are claiming to be trans, you know, the suicide rate among teens who transition? Why do you... Bill Whatcott 37:28 and I see they do that over here, by the way, it is a social [unintelligible] Will Dove 37:33 Yes. Why do you think they're pushing that agenda? Bill Whatcott 37:35 That has to be satanic, too. It's insane. It literally is harming our economy, as these are very maladjusted individuals who will not do well in the labor market or raise healthy families. This isn't good. Aside from the individual suffering, which really matters in the falsehood that you can turn a little boy into the girl. It's insane, there is no there is no good for the child. There is no good for society at all. You know, society as a whole. And I would even argue these freaks, who call themselves doctors and social workers who are invested in this, I don't think it's good for them in the end, even though they seem to really like doing it. But ya know, you're gonna get not born in the wrong body, and you're not born a homosexual. When you get out in North America, there's way less of this stuff. I have not met a transvestite, not a single one in Hungary after being there for a week, nor have I seen one in Serbia, and the children are normal. What a wonderful thing to see. Will Dove 38:46 Bill, as a respectful atheist, I'm going to tell you that I applaud and appreciate your dedication to your faith, for standing up for what you believe. And for what it's worth. I can't see anything, in anything that you have done, including that brochure, that flyer that in any way incites hatred. I think you're genuinely trying to help people. So thank you for those efforts. Bill Whatcott 39:14 Well, thank you, I appreciate that.