(0:00 - 0:06) Hi everybody, I am Madison Holmes. And I am Maycee Holmes. And you're watching Holmes Squared. (0:07 - 2:35) That's right, that's right. It's kind of fun that we have Morgan on because like he's usually like the first one every time I'm posting on studsec to like our posts. So I'm like oh yay now you're actually on. Yeah that's exciting. You read everyone. That's actually a good way to start this. This is the guy that reads everything. Morgan is a independent journalist and an activist and we met him doing our own activism. And one thing that kind of stuck out especially to Maycee while following some of his articles that came out like on Western Standard and such which is a newspaper here definitely in Alberta was definitely for our viewers. Yeah and for our viewers everybody's familiar with Western Standard. Morgan is somebody that has been reads everything and he's been everywhere. So one thing that we thought would be a great introduction to this audience is because you hear me and Macy talk about you know getting rid of categories and blurring the boundaries between you know the left right because we don't really like categories. We all know it's the left hemisphere type doing its thing. But in the terms of the political realm and activism there's no better expert on both sides than Morgan. Because Morgan's face like I don't know if I'm an expert. No he's totally an expert. He's been on both sides literally the extreme of both sides. And so talking to him and we've you know invited him to family outings and such now he's just got this very practical understanding of where to be funny enough in in the centre but in the centre is not even on the political spectrum because you kind of have to get rid of that entirely to actually be in the centre. Yeah in your own mind. I feel like Morgan's a good embodiment of just the fact that like politics is such a process because he has been over here over there in here sometimes there again sometimes here again. It's like it's a process of just where his journey has taken him. And so I think that that's where we kind of want to start with the first question is like you are an independent journalist but you're also an activist. Right. So it's like what kind of led you into going down those domains and I guess where did it start for you and where do you find yourself now. (2:36 - 3:56) I'm pretty symmetrical. I've been asked to run by seven political parties so far. I think probably maybe even more in the future. I don't know. I just everywhere I like to find the contradiction that is most saying in the society or the economy and I generally try to blow it open and this has brought me to the very. I've been everywhere. I would say what remains constant is really who I am in my politics. It's really just people. Obviously I don't like oligopoly. I would say we're not really in capitalism anymore there that is techno feudalism or these oligopolies that are just taken over everything that we call that globalism imperialism all these slang words have different meanings for different people all over the world. So as the conditions have changed in Canada drastically over the last few years we've seen the left kind of lose its absolute mind. They've gone absolutely batshit insane. (3:56 - 4:18) The right wing is still about as useless as they've always been. So a lot of people are like well you've turned a new leaf right you're on the right on the far right. Just because I can define what a nation is from a state does not make me far right. (4:21 - 6:50) And actually when we look at the trajectory of where Canada is heading it is still heading off a cliff. And our conservative opposition to what we might call the completely failed left they are not strong. If the left wing could carry out two genocidal proxy wars it ended civil society as we know it. It crashed the economy through a trade war while lying and violating everyone's rights constantly. The opposition failed to win. They failed to get into government. They're opposition they're not the government. So that shows we're in trouble. We need to work with anyone we can find to save our country. Now one thing that stood out to me when we actually talked in person last was because you originally started people calling you far right now this you started on the far the extreme left according to what that is identified as. And one thing that I remember also asking because you talking about you saying in order to stop Canada from running off of a cliff like the lemming that it has been following the steps of all the imperialists. Um one thing that you said is that you didn't necessarily your politics have remained the same so it's not necessarily that you even left that side more so the the what defined the left has changed. And then so even the people you were around you were like I didn't necessarily change they did. And so even the friend groups or the equations groups that you had on the left you're you literally don't aren't a part of any of them. And that's not out of your purposely withdrawing. It was just seeing the map start to flesh out in a different manner. Is that right? Throughout history I believe there's always been ebbs and flows in every historical period through you know the 1960s with the rise of globalised neoliberal capital or what we now know as globalism. The left or the old left died but that left is the traditional left. (6:51 - 14:19) It would have been the labour the trade union working class. It would have been critical reasonable. You could have a conversation with these people after that it sort of became hindering and liberal. Of course since Obama or at least in the 2010s it began to take on the characteristic of identity politics or what I would call wokeism which I would define as identity politics that have become totalitarian. So when it's dishonest or it goes way too far. This trend started to go completely mentally ill by 2014 or so. It's just you would kind of dodge the crazy people when you'd go to work or you'd go to a protest or when you try to get anything. But by about 2020 I would say it was just dangerous. I would say it's actually completely not even safe to be around. And as a gay person I've spent my life in the civil rights movement. I remember fighting for my rights. I have had friends who died of AIDS who were involved in the ACT movement the 1980s and the 1990s. So all these issues are very close to me. Human rights and obviously I know how to define them. But when identity politics took over I think we saw function of the left become inverted almost totalitarian against people's fundamental rights. They're violating people's rights every day on multiple fronts. Sorry Maddie was looking for her links. But yeah just you bring it reminds me of because you were just on an interview with Rebel News and talking about you bringing identity politics thing. The people can see this is you and you're holding the sign that says there are only two sexes and you got a little cute leg. And the thing that I find funny with this again is it's the irony. We recently interviewed Blaine who is a transsexual and but she's on the right. And I mean by her own definition. And then you again being a person of in the gay community you advocating that there are only two sexes. So technically you two don't fit within the gloves that society has today made for you under the identity politics. Yeah like I was curious obviously to have you on because it's like you were also showing Maddie couldn't even screen share his Western Standard articles right. But you've been writing about the problem that we're seeing when it comes to this sort of like far wokest cult. We don't want to call it that. Oh yeah. It's dangerous. Like this stuff I'm not I'm laughing at it. Obviously I think it's quite humorous. It's actually anyone who violates your rights systematically on purpose and laughs about it which is what the left is doing to all people. That's not forgivable. That's actually dangerous and it's not even like it's really not all that funny. Throughout every historical period when the issues shift heart you do have to lose friends. You have to challenge people. As an activist as a journalist when I worked for the VP or when I was basically doing work for the Greens the Democrats in the U.S. worked with socialist organisations and communist organisations. Every historical period shifts quite difficult. You have to really push people to keep up. You can't. You're like okay you know we can agree to disagree. Good luck. For 2020 this is different. This will never come back. This is completely different. This shift that we're seeing with this wokeism apocalypse. This is dangerous. These people are dangerous. I really think people need to start talking about it because if you disagree with people who are identitarian and willing to carry out violence, violate your rights, carry out legal warfare on you, that's dangerous. These people are not capable of civil society anymore. Right now the only thing we can do is to defend our rights as all people everywhere and really try to get civil society back. I'm not sure if I'll ever see modern conceptions of rights in my own country ever again. That's how pessimistic I am. In the article that we brought up here, do you pose solutions? You gave a little bit of a timeline going back to 2010, but I've read books like Critical or Cynical Theories by James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, and they talk and even in The Master and His Emissary, he wrote that in 2009 and he was talking about the rise of modernism and even because post-modernism, which is also some of the presuppositions to this woke ideology and these identity politics, that started you could almost argue in like the 60s and stuff like that, which is something Macy talked about too. Macy's got this ongoing hypothesis that you said the transgender movement today, you're liking in it to the hippie movement of the 60s. And it's not too bad. He's not wrong. It's like this one's much, much worse. Oh, this is... Yeah, elaborate. In the 60s, I mean, the drugs rock and roll, they were experimenting on kids and youth. I mean, in my brain, I see them so connected because I don't really know if you get to be as violently woke today, like mothers literally taking off body parts of their own children. You don't get to that point unless you've had something screwed with your brain, which started in the 60s and earlier based off of MKUltra and such. But what is the biggest concern for you today? And then you've also compared we should be doing things like the UK you've alluded to in the article. What are your solutions to this terrible problem? Oh, that. Okay, well, I could talk for about an hour on just that question. So I might break it down a little bit. (14:21 - 16:19) Not many people understand what is publicly knowable, which is everything that you've just mentioned, that there were horrendous covert actions, MKUltra programmes that were run on citizens by their own government to confuse and assassinate and mind control and to basically meddle and to defeat working class people. Even before that in the 1920s, there was a massive eugenics movement before the Dirty 30s and the rise of fascism. Also before the bankers coup in the USA. And what they did was they used Monsanto and sprayed poor communities, people of colour and also poor families praying for lice logic. And of course, the left fell for it. They were like, oh, we like health care, we want to, the kids sprayed for lice. It was really to depopulate, to sterilise, to poison people. And this is really something that goes back through the history of empire, clandestine actions throughout every empire, Roman Empire, the British Empire, the American Empire. Now Canada is pulled between the remnant of the British American Empire at this moment. Now sounds quite shocking to regular people who don't know those circumstances. They're not educated about the history of the crimes of their own government, let alone abroad. For example, we live in Canada. We're not in America. The CIA was doing those experiments on their own people. There are similar things taking place here. (16:19 - 22:29) I don't want to blame or even go down this conspiracy rabbit hole. Everything that is happening, we actually already know, it's just that the media won't talk about it. When it comes to the first article I wrote regarding Quebec and the Western Standard, it really wanted to punch hard to say that the entire industry is fake. It is completely not legible. The entire transgender or post-humanist industry is a eugenics direction. It should not exist. And the reports that came out led to an international credibility collapse last year in 2024, especially with the Cass report. The Interim report was launched in 2022. The final report came out in 2024. And then the WPATH files leaked, massive leaks, and then were published by Mia Hughes from Genspec. Mia is actually living in Canada at this moment. An incredible researcher who has compiled every argument and point with unbelievable accuracy as to why this industry has hurt so many people and violated the rights of everyone. So these reports came out. And then, of course, in May of 2025 in Canada, the Quebec government released the Quebec Sages report in French. That report is the first Canadian report that finally begins to refute the evidence-based level of transgender healthcare, especially on minors. Essentially, it is not helping to sterilise and run children through eugenics. Of course, that means before the age of 18, they would be denied the ability to develop. That would be puberty. They're taking puberty blockers or hormones. It could also mean surgeries. Dangerous sterilisation practises really leave them mutilated with a completely non-functional reproductive system in some cases. Bottom surgery is illegal, but as Bill 26 has been disabled by a legal challenge, an injunction has been placed on Bill 26 in Alberta, which means that theoretically a top surgery could take place with a typical medical runaround. We do not have access to the medical records. Those are private patient records. We do know when parents sue the doctors, there is record in the legal system of a lawsuit. When parents get really angry that their kids have been sterilised without their permission, without any consultation with the family really, that the kid has gone along with the ideology and these mechanisms in the schools and these mechanisms in the health system with doctors to basically, whether it's top surgery or hormones or both, go through with it, we can see that it's happening. Actually, I might just share with you, but I'll keep talking while I look, is that there's a website in the USA. A lot of people do not believe really that it was really all that bad or they kind of try to deny that anything was really happening or that maybe it was just a few aces in the USA was really pretty bling. I would actually argue that it was widespread in the cover-ups during the Biden administration, especially after 2021 and 2022 where things started to really ram through. It was like a full-blown emergency. It could not continue. This was unbelievable. Anyone who blew the whistle ended up usually facing DOJ charges or went to jail. They had to go after the whistleblowers. Here's a statistic I found from 2019 to 2023, 62,682 sex change prescriptions were written to minors in the USA. That is widespread. It's unbelievable. I'll just share that database to you. It's called database.com. Not really. Morgan, repeat that one more time. Stop the harm. Yeah, gotcha. Database.com. The comparative with Canada is obviously that this is happening. It's absolutely happening. Some of the corruption is actually even worse because we do not have the same free speech mechanisms and the same transparency pressure to get it out into the public. We aren't able to actually get at that. Like I said, in Canada, we're only aware of the circumstances in which the clinics pushed the legal boundary. The only reason we know about it is because the parents have sued the doctors. Those lawsuits were tossed out. That was a huge information dump. Obviously, the WPATH files are far more damning than the CAS report that was sanctioned in 2018 by the NHS and the UK and then released in 2022 and then the full report in 2024. (22:31 - 23:40) The CAS report was really, they wanted to work on it because they started noticing a 4,000 percent increase in children requesting sex changes in 2018. The health minister at the time was appalled. It's not normal. It's not natural deviation from the mean. It's not that these were just gay kids. We just didn't know that they were there. No, that is not normal. Something is happening. It requires serious study. That's how that report came about that damned the whole industry. The WPATH file came out last year and it was even worse. It was really just showing that the World Professional Association for Transgender Health Care informs the United Nations as well as the World Health Organisation develops the frameworks for treatment that is now dictated to countries all over the world that participate in these bodies of international governance. (23:43 - 1:47:49) That's where it comes from. When you look at the leaks that are coming from above the nation-state level, they are unbelievable. And of course, as a peace leader, and I've led the peace movement, I've done foreign policy my whole life, I could not help but notice that the corporate super profits, they're all the same interests. The COVID era, the transgender and eugenics industry, it's big pharma. People ask me all the time, who is behind it? Who invented all of this completely insane? The idea to change the conception of modern rights, to redefine them, to reference things that don't objectively exist. For example, people's emotions and feelings that don't objectively exist, that would define the definition of the kinds of persons in the eyes of the state. Well, once you open it up to things that don't exist, you've ended civil society. There's no longer modern conceptions of civil rights. It's actually very futile. It takes on a futile character that the whim of the powerful decide based on their feelings. Whether it's true, they could be lying about you. You could say, hey, Maycee, I think you're being really racist towards me. I want to get you fired. It doesn't matter that I'm lying. And so, it has affected every level of our civil society, this post-humanist, post-modern direction. It's unbelievable how connected and interconnected these problems are. And I think that it is in a good place now that the USA is rolling back. That's a right-wing government. In the UK, all three countries, Ireland, Scotland, England, all left-wing governments. Yet the Supreme Court has still rolled back to a modern conception, the definition of the kinds of persons based on biological sex. And there is a huge misconception that that must somehow hurt trans people. There's no such thing. They still have rights. They're human beings. They have modern rights. It's just that they're defined in a modern way. In Canada, people do not understand that they've changed the definition of the kinds of persons to no longer be a modern conception. So, if things were to ever want to go one way or another, a modern right, if we wanted to define it, trans people would have all the rights that they still have, that they would just be common sense. So, really, there's so much work to be done in Canada through the massive pushback from the other countries, the US and UK. Yeah, for everybody listening, we were talking to Morgan on the phone yesterday because we were trying to figure out how we were going to, I guess, figure out what we were going to ask and talk about. And with the idea of the, I guess, transgender movement and then just what we've been seeing with this woke apocalypse and the idea of people's rights and being vitilated and what you're saying is it's not in a modern sense anymore that makes any sense because now they keep changing the rules. It's like rules for thee but not for me, right? It's like people are just making shit up at this point. And so, I mean, I guess my question is, it's like as you were saying in the beginning, right? It's like the left and even just at this point it's like it's I almost feel like it's insulting because it's like I don't even want to say that all people on the left are like this and I don't even want to say all people on the right are like everybody else on the right area. It's like at this point I just want to say the people that have really gravitated towards that end of the extreme, as you said, have lost their freaking minds, right? But then you also said that the right has been basically like ineffective at doing anything about it, right? And so that that's like my question because when we were on the phone yesterday and you brought up even the example of like pharma and COVID and all that I was like a little bit like you were painting the picture which is like the right is not necessarily going far enough and if we would just potentially do something where it's like Daniel Smith coming out with even the different bills where it's like this would tip the left off the edge, right? And make them even more angry and then it shows more. I'm like my contention was at the time well it didn't work for COVID so why would it work now, right? And so this kind of comes into the idea of like okay so we can play the game of like clandestine politics and like sabotaging one another but the idea of trying to figure out I think yesterday you're mentioning I forgot exactly how you worded it but it was like a social like I don't want to say contract that seems fucked up but like almost like a new way of coming at ourselves culturally and socially and like actually trying to update that. That I think is still something that's worth exploring because I know that for you or at least you can obviously speak on behalf of this is correct but it's like because your story has taken you down so many alleys and domains and you are actually quite acquainted with literally everyone on the spectrum, right? Morgan because I am on the spectrum. But because you are then you I've my question is like how do you ask and yourself that question and try and figure out the solution of like groupthink and how to actually come at solving the problem through a guise of like how do we not keep on doing this whole stupid divisive left and right and then trying to sabotage each other and actually try and like reach our hands forward on a cultural basis so it makes us understand what the hell modern rights were supposed to actually be in the first place and then Maddie it looks like you have something to say to that. No it's a good question. I have the same question because if if definitions are being changed that's me that means we can't necessarily trust the system and again even if unfortunately there is Alberta was passing a bill to remove sexually explicit literature from children's schools because we parents found some pretty inappropriate literature in like pornography yeah basically pornography in the schools of our children our younger generations and so enough parents brought it to the attention of one of the ministers and then they were in the midst of pulling it off but naturally backlash occurred and then they're pulling back the Alberta government is going oh shoot we're getting too much flack and then they're starting to backtrack a little bit on the bill which would be a step in the right direction and it kind of sounds Morgan like you were like this has happened on multiple occasions which again is why you're calling the right useless and as people me and Maycee are both and no it's totally fair as me and Maycee are politically involved in the UCP party and politics being politically active and activism is not easy because it you can grind and grind but policy is not everything and I mean you probably know that better than even I do because you've been doing like you said foreign policy your whole life so it's like the almost the the futileness of things like policy and I think that's why Maycee's question is so relevant because it's more on the cultural aspect and breaking those stupid boundaries of which you've been in every single label known to man yeah like my last little tidbit to Maddie's remark is like you can come at it from how we like to come at it which is it's on the level of the individual because it's like I'm like I would rather just fucking get my shit in order and try and then simultaneously try and figure out how I get it in order with other people right but because you've been involved with so many groups I haven't like not on the level that you have yeah I know I'm only just getting introduced into the realm of the politics of politics right yeah but you have been trying to figure out well how do I experiment to see how you actually get people that are either really over here really over there or the people that are like I honestly just kind of want to you know not be their submissive thing it's like how do you on a collective basis slash individual basis coming together try and figure out how in the hell you solve this problem yeah there's there's just such a thing as history okay and uh conditions change through historical processes what was bad decade ago is actually quite useful as the country collapses today and vice versa as a republic grows more dysfunctional they rely more on to regulate and this was true with the roman empire they collapsed but the more nations that they absorbed into the empire they needed to resort to law in order to keep it functional the more dysfunctional it became but actually it like believe it or not if you could imagine ancient romans like horrible imperialist ages of it where they kind of became woke a little bit to accommodate incompatible and contradictory elements yeah and it's very similar today to see the usa relying on law for everything for things that don't exist you know even just you know a policy regarding how to use the bathroom literally is a norm it's not a it should not be a law should never be a policy but they're resorting to it because you know the elites have no idea what to do and they honestly don't understand things of their own country it was founded on a completely different direction and control and authoritarianism so a canada is not a republic we are a limited democracy we're we don't have really uh the same mechanisms or they're not defined the same but really we're seeing the exact same tendency with the ruling elite regardless the label and you you had mentioned that and i i don't want to speak too much on this topic but i could move it into a little few other different examples but we just saw nova scotia ban nature and it's it actually kind of looks like they banned mankind man from nature and meanwhile they're spraying like santo and pesticides and stuff that'll kill all the trees claiming our climate global warming and uh wildfires as the excuse to ban all of nature like this is a conservative government and a lot of people don't understand that conservatives are pretty woke like this is not normal it's not acceptable so as people are sort of trying to take matters into their own hands fleeing the crazy left trying to understand where there can be a future for for our basic rights or a basic way of life i'm very pessimistic it's over it we're literally no longer in the modern period after about 2022 i'd say we are no longer in modernity at all so we're in a dark age the people who are in power the level of knowledge loss what i would describe as knowledge loss is just that we don't know who we are we cannot define who we are as a nation anymore we don't know anything about our constitution what our rights are we can't define them we don't know how to stand for them clearly the abuse and the suffering and the breakdown is unbelievable it's unprecedented the decline of our country so i would leave uh some of those examples with you just to show that like it's not left it's literally you know it's a decline that might be stir on the left it will encompass the entire society it is the technological society that has dumbed us down and made us completely insane so when it comes to identity politics you know that that became it became um phenomena we everyone tried to warn the the the civilisation don't do this you're gonna regret it it's you're gonna lose control of it it might suit obama for like 10 minutes wait wait till you see what comes next like then we had blm burning down uh police stations and now we've got a guy i'm pro uh or i used to be more radical but obviously um now we have entire foreign-born populations that are warring in the streets whether it's um whether this civil war in northern africa the region or it's um hindu hindu vada hindu supremacy versus palestinian or seek realism in in canada they're not canadian first there's some zionists and muslims warring in our streets and so as you know i've been in the peace movement my whole life and i've never had to deal with importing the war that i'm trying to stop into our streets saying knock it off please stop we don't want anything to do with this the conditions have changed identity politics have accelerated and this isn't wokeism like it was in 2012 this is this is literally civilisational breakdown it is unacceptable completely so you know at this stage i think that we need to uh kind of look at it in a historical lens that started out very innocent that we're going to help the little we're just going to push a little extra hard and violate some people's rights or to get the the disadvantaged people on msm news or something well that didn't work and not only did not work we're now seeing um you know uh widespread violence and systemic ending of civil society across all of the western civilisation you you wrote two articles for the Canada files now now this is hilarious the the this is the anti-imperialist journal you know fighting the Canadian empire which i never even heard that a statement until this link Canadian empire but um now this this is kind of what you're you're talking about right now is this like this infiltration this identity politics because again we have Canadians in Ukraine and a lot of people think that makes them heroes but i i mean we've done episodes on home squared on um Operation Gladio and such like that so that that's the literal aspect of the mercenaries but what you're talking about even the fact that we have Canadians wanting to go to Ukraine and in support now like like you said death period is no bueno but they're pro killing Russians this isn't just about defending Ukraine or defending people from dying generally it is it is this movement that we've taken into their country and we have others movements within our own so which is really funny you know this you kind of alluded to in the phone call conversation we had this like fake nationalism and it's funny because that's really most prevalent here in Canada in unless you have a definitely but this fake nationalism within within Canada has it really has blurred any sort of you have to have a little bit of like identity politics and identity or values like they're two different things and they've been completely just amalgamated yeah i mean my adage to that before you can put your comments Morgan is the fact that it's like when it came to even the idea of um i guess identity politics now the transgender movement is like the best that you can use as an extreme example but it happens when it comes to just any sort of ethnicity or any sort of religion it just it's happening and what happens is the idea of like oh well don't make the statement on like the gender side where it's just like um you know it has nothing like to do with gender right it's like not it's not about um there is no boy like males and there is no females and blah and it's like but they attribute their entire identity to basically opposing that they're like my entire identity is based on the fact that i'm a transgender right it's never it's never based on the fact that you have any other value other than i tran like literally it's like the idea the fine line between of between people who actually hold values towards other people individuals human beings it's kind of just gotten swiped away for their own uh the sake of keeping their own little comfort blanket as they get to identify how they want to identify and fuck you to everybody else so it's just well yeah yeah you could have canadians like to go over and fight for people like ukraine's and then having certain zionists here that we don't even understand when you don't understand what's actually causing the war who's funding it but then why are you there as an individual what are why are the ukraine do the ukrainian some of the people even want you why does the ukrainian government want you there there's all of these like and knowing your own identity especially as because Canada has been so known for its peacekeeping missions so it's like keeping that in mind but that's like an identity but what is that really how does that translate and it's never it's not it really needs to be kind of redefined like if if we have this um is there even this Canadian identity that can be salvaged or what's what's the solution oh well uh i think analyse the psychology which is uh it's an invention we we have the technique developed in the trio psychological analysis of all different kinds we could that poke them and see what they do you know in different situations we could ask them how they're feeling you know i think most people on the fake left it's hard to call them fake left when they are adamant that they actually are the left and they're nuts that's really hard for me because i came from the left but the psychology here is unbelievable it is shifted in a way that isn't just people disagreeing with me based on me telling them what the facts are it is that they're you know i didn't refer to wokeism as like a complex reactive system in people's behaviour it's maladaptive it is immoral often it includes a lot of malice it's reactionary and it's tribal it puts people into tribal groups and it erases reality and a lot of people who are plugged into the internet they really do soak up the propaganda that suits their tribe whether it's true or not they don't care and a lot of the times that's the the true circumstance with zionist israel as well as that the society goes along with the kabuki theatre they go along with oh whoops i noticed a lie there but i'm just going to go along with it because i'm sticking with my tribe but we have the same complex adaptive problem in the west now all different identity groups it's really uh not going to end well this is unacceptable especially for civil society the economy and the national questions whether or not nation-states will even continue at this moment i think canada uk no longer nation-states are more like cosmopolitan states or um with the mass migration crisis a lot of europe is hard to pin down because we don't know where they're heading each country is sort of taking a radically reactionary direction either way you know what i would say beyond the psychology is that in foreign policy i think it comes down to how honest is it if you know i know the mainstream accepted think tanks that i have always railed against both in the US and in Canada foes of people that they're that the main ideology is uh imperialism that you it's not even possible for an academic i was studying foreign policy and i wanted to work for one of these think tanks i would not even get close to it because i have classical ideas it would just threaten the whole you know mafia here but even so even they've been trying to ring the alarm bells the institute for peace and diplomacy for example published a white paper in 2022 by Christopher Mott called the Woke Imperium: The Coming Confluence Between Social Justice and Neoconservatism it really means that neocons what i would describe as a neocon is you lie justify the politics that you want but if you want to start a war you create the pretext for war for example George Bush advocating weapons of mass destruction in order to start a war it's neoconservatism it's about lying so it's a it's an ideology where you just lie and violate international law wokeism in terms of taking over social justice and ramming through the craziest stuff I've ever seen in my life the Biden administration one observation i had of the Biden admin and trudeau went along with it in Canada too was that um compared to uh way back with obama woke neocons at least knew the words to things amantha power for example is a even if i despise her she's one of the most evil people war criminals i've ever seen in my life but she was intelligent and so was Obama he was articulate charismatic and quite dangerous because of that you have a tricky person who is able to figure out what things are sounds forward to the last few administrations Biden Trudeau these people don't actually know what they're talking about they're not articulate they're not charismatic at all in fact i don't think Justin Trudeau can recite the alphabet when it comes to LGBTQ EBC plus alphabet he doesn't even know what these words are or what it means he just he gets it wrong like every time he's ever tried he's gotten it wrong and it's very easy to do a well you know he had a black face there he doesn't care about women you know it's pretty clear that none of it is real he has no idea what he's doing the woke imperium woke ism as neoconservatism my observation is that as the historical situation has matured it has actually gotten severely decayed quite degenerate you have people working in foreign policy the highest levels of power throughout western governments who actually believe their own western propaganda creating an intelligence crisis for a strategic crisis these are these are dangerous situations we have people with decision-making power who believe tabloid propaganda that are not real and then are directing circumstances of whether people live or die based on things that aren't real affects our own people yeah that is you've painted a very it's a an ironic picture but it's very true neoconservatism is woke that's that's literally oh god yeah well it's kind of because you all of these fake identities and this identity politics and the fake nationalism that is being projected onto not only do we believe our own fake nationalism and then we project it onto other countries expecting them to give up probably a they're a better idea of nationalism for what we consider it it is it is this woke mentality because the woke and the postmodernists they project as the left hemisphere does their values and their way of thinking onto the rest of the world and so in that sense i mean neoconservatism and because you look at the the zionist groups and you look at you can watch interviews with Tucker Carlson and then look at the technocracy people that are have been slowly just taking over the United States' um administration it is woke that is that is what it is and it's no different than was as you're saying than even connecting way back when to the eugenics movements because even in Alberta here we were one of the first country uh provinces in in Canada to take on some eugenics policies so it's like that's not out of our history and so you advocating looking at the history is would help us better define what these identities are and then how do we even value them i think and if you because i think overvaluing these identities has when we don't understand them so you it's a misconstrued value whatever it is and then we can't put the value in the real things that seemingly tend to lift us up because you've talked a lot about the doom and gloom and it is doom and gloom so this is not a criticism like you are rightfully pessimistic but it is because of people like you that i'm also optimistic because you are a very educated person you have been burnt by both sides not just attended and participated but you've actually you've lost friends you have lost um good people that you knew and then there's professors there's so many places you have been and been subjugated to people projecting their values or changing based off of the changing definitions and stuff like that so like you this isn't just a and you are speaking so concisely and rationally about these things but you're still talking and you're still learning so it's like even though you're pessimistic you are acting as if there is another day and that shows to me and it shows that you still value the the potential so that's one thing can you comment on that and like the value that you have which is keeps you going to because that's to me is the solution the solution that we've kind of been needing to get to oh geez i i don't know if i have a solution my friends i just i'm get so bored seeing the world burn that i just find things to do and i because i had nothing else to do like i have all this poli sci background I'm like I can't work for the party that I used to work for I might as well take over a bridge with a karaoke machine infiltrate pride maybe i'll talk a little bit about that actually i i mean um you know i always struggle because there's two abominations in ideology one of them is materialism and the other one is idealism and i i think they're both just um hilarious i think Chesterton and CS Lewis both criticised idealism in the industrial society because once people were absorbed into uh you know modernity the value of church community religion when i say morality or even just doing the form and the function different things that we would have appreciated before then even though they fought so hard for um religious freedom and uh they pushed the churches and even pushed into politics which i think they regretted is that people really just got absorbed into secular god is dead in the 1900s anyway it doesn't even matter where conversely being a materialist i've always valued and cherished forensic precision of cops so if you can find actual evidence or at least understand actually existing circumstances you could probably begin to understand the problem even materialists or so-called leftists i don't know what they are they are the most incapable confronting evidence actual fact that i've ever seen in my life even back when i was fighting for rights against evangelical Christians in the US for gay rights evangelical Christians were is that they were kind of reasonable you could have a conversation with them with uh the woke left you cannot you cannot have a conversation with them it's not possible to have a reasonable healthy deep conversation with them or any conversation this is actually a video that uh you took and this is describing exactly what you're saying this is you trying to infiltrate pride so to speak which is funny because you technically belong in the group according to the definitions today and look umbrellas talk to us yeah they assaulted two of us and harassed the rest of us i was not assaulted but i had hit two of my other friends with those umbrella what i did was that after boycotting pride for about 15 years i wanted to return because it's time to start speaking out and uh the best way to do this is to return to pride with the original conception inclusion of course i try to include every cancelled voice that marched with me in support of my rights and they did like a former professor some of my friends were could not continue studying on campus i have friends also from the other university who are suffering the same situation and even though they've been sort of forced to leave because they're being called hateful you know i used to be a student leader for gay rights on campus like i used to run the uh it used to be called the diversity centre which later became the pride centre million years ago that i was handing out resources sexual health products and kinds of things to students i was trying to educate people and that back then it was based in civil liberty and even if people disagreed they could still access services free of judgement and it was more of a service-based situation in line with civil liberty today it's more of a like a cult and so when i tried to include the cancelled voices in pride by signing up correctly i signed up an alumni through um the university jumped through the hoops we were literally attacked they made up a bunch of stuff about how they aren't safe because i don't know i guess like a gay guy and uh his friends who support gay rights tried to march in gay pride that's that's a threat so uh they got security after hitting us with umbrellas and blocking us and stuff they got security security was all hired but by mcmahon security i did not recognise really many security officers who were actually born in the country they look like they were foreign workers not to say that that is not work it's still work but it's just that they did not engage with us they seemed quite confused they were running around looking for like as if they were looking for some shooter or something like a actual threat it's like no there's a gay guy this university professor friend who support is a feminist and supports gay rights oh it's just us so they were running around the whole place trying to figure out where where's the commotion coming from and eventually the police were called and the pride organisation was having some mental health problems like the right organisers were clearly visibly not mentally well they couldn't communicate they were shaking and confused they were not making sense it was pathetic and i will hold them to that that is so disgusting and they were not Canadian either they were not people that i grew up fighting for my rights with they're new these are new people who have taken over whether it's the q and the t where's the lgb there are no gay people at pride anymore it's so sad and then we're not even allowed we'll get their police called on us we try so you know i haven't spoken out very much about my own personal views ever don't really talk about my own views i just do journalism that is critical i try to do fact-based journalism but just trying to get cancel voices included created this sort of like you're kicked out you're banned and we might even ban the institution itself but then the next day i was interviewed by rebel at campus i called for the divestment corporate and institutional sponsors from pride following the uh the trend across the country i believe uh Toronto pride lost nine hundred thousand dollars this year Vancouver lost four hundred thousand dollars in sponsorships Calgary pride lost three hundred thousand dollars in sponsorships and Ottawa pride was blocked protesters in the streets i believe in 2024 Toronto pride was asked to repay over five hundred thousand dollars in government ramps because they failed to deliver on programmes that matched the stipulation and similarly in in Calgary i believe the programme that was postponed until next year is the Alphabet Mafia and i was so shocked when i looked at what that was i was horrified i had to uh look up what the acronyms meant but it was QTBIPOC hurt performant so QTPOC a queer and trans people of colour and um this racist and sexist uh you know art initiative of Canada it all stems from federal grants targeted to um promote identity politic sort of art and the the art that is produced is so unbelievably ugly that is it's really just stuff to make Canadians hate themselves to tell us that we're all racist sexist and horrible that we're all just all the worst whether it's true or not so personally i don't think that's a good use of money i also don't think that it's fair to attach my rights my legacy of civil liberties lgb rights to that ugliness because i don't consent to that i i don't want to fund messages you know with the Canadian tax dollar to make Canadians hate themselves and really just create really mentally ill cults that seem to be really uh infused actually don't want to claim that these are really um focused politics they're coming out of this uh the consciousness and this cult and cultish ideology and the art that it's producing the culture because i don't think that it's coherent i really don't anyway i really apologise for wrapping i just had to no no that's that kind of ties it because calling it a cult and you've alluded to the falling of the roman empire a couple times and we're going into a dark age you said well the falling of the roman empire was the beginnings of a dark age and we are absolutely are in the falling of the Roman Empire because even you saw calling this wokeism neoconservatism technocracy kind of all in the same breadbasket here they are cults and you look at the Roman Empire it was during its decline and the decadence of society where the cults started and the mafias started to rise in their power before everything you know collapsed and we're right there as well so we see all these groups starting and another thing i was reading a book by Martin Armstrong who's talking about not only the Alberta sovereignty but generally just the subversion of uh republics and he mentioned the fact that a big strategy would be replacing your military and your security with foreign people that way they don't recognise the culture they don't recognise the people so you get rid of that communal feeling and any familiarity with the actual whatever identity exists within the community and that way it becomes easier to overthrow them and subvert them so even you you're like i don't recognise this this is not familiar what you're dealing with and you actually used to be a part of it so talking about that cult rising and it goes back to macy's question which is part of the solution being the communal aspect because if you don't recognise your community and your community's values it no longer becomes familiar that's when these cult groups get to rise and that's when these foreign entities come into power and get to subvert what was always existing and you can only do that via groups like we focus on the individual knowing the individual leads to groups but still recognising as you said like a civil liberties community you can recognise where that's the common ground that you can still gain a couple friends and go look this is not what we were is it and then so you have that that baseline to start rebuilding yeah like my my remark to that is like when i'm thinking of these type of movements it just seems like you're basically using um the veneer of selflessness to be selfish it's as simple as that like you you just want to do whatever the fuck you want to do and you're to guise it you say oh like love everybody and like because that's what they did in the hippie movement it was like peace love man no war right but like they were fucking they remind me of the today's modern transgender movement because like they are some of the most inclusive fucking negligent fucking like people that i've ever encountered in my age well they're not inclusive yeah that was exactly yeah that's kind of the thing that this yeah and your macy was asking about this group thing so to speak or is and you being a part of all these groups i think understanding you're recognising that is an exclusive group you wanted to come back and rebring the inclusivity and that which is funny but that's a positive rate of babble it isn't right a babble it's totally afraid of apple but your mode of attention was inclusive and that it's it brings it back to the basics that way people can because we have more in common than we do differently and recognising that those groups are being exclusive and it it's not the majority because of that reason like your mode of attention includes more people like on because even the fact that we are now friends like a couple years ago that not that would not have been the case but because you're actually retracing to your inclusive roots as through your journey that is literally even what on face seems like polar opposites you know yeah like i wanna i want you to comment on that in the sense of like what kind of got you to shift from uh your i guess quote-unquote radical days right and when you even have those moments where you felt like you were actually embracing because it's almost like it's a it's a stupid line that's kind of true where it's like oh like because you can recognise when someone's being exclusive right it might mean that you yourself recognised it in you once and that's why you were able to recognise it in the first place because you're like holy shit like i remember when i was going through a time like this and my my last little like remark to that is because i i definitely want even people listening because i know that we could be classified it's like right or centrist right it's like what i would say for even the listeners listening in is that like if we're not careful yeah that idea of not just even neo-colonial colonialism but just conservatism and like the quote-unquote right we will end up just like the fucking left because my brain goes like it hemispheres is hemispheres that's how me and my sister look at it right because we can recognise the pattern of just human beings in general and what happens right but you mentioned that tribalism and it's like the minute that we start getting caught in this type of like group think right and it's not that's different than community community is way different than fucking echo chambers and group think because it's it sucks because the right can do this too where we're like oh we need to be inclusive we need to hear from other people right and like so they'll say well we want to have conversations with the left and like as even you um tried to at pride it's like i want to go and i want to have conversation with these people right and they have an event right but then when we try and do that we say that and sometimes we don't even do it though amongst ourselves it's so funny even the right can exclude the right it's so fucking hilarious we've seen it we've seen it and we've lived it it's like hold on you got caught up in this whole idea of like our principles say that we believe in community and family and you know faith and as long as it's my face but as when we get caught in the parties and the community then we insert competition yes right and then we kind of go like well i've been working so hard right like so like you you can't betray me like look at what all of what i've been doing it's like like you guys gotta back me up here right and it's like but what about everybody else who's been working just as hard or if they're just starting out and they have good ideas and so it's like the people that even are similar in thought to you you'll still get your competitive left hemispheric vibe going in and going like no they're my they're my enemy for the time being like i wish them all the best but like they're my enemy for the time being it's like no then you don't wish them the best because this was the whole the whole point was free speech ideas and yes of course you're allowed to stand on something like that's that's fine but it's also the idea of like i thought we stood on the overall whole of of trying to promote each other rising tides floating all ships kind of thing but i i know that was a lot but your comments on that oh i don't want to beat a dead horse i think that we're in deep trouble as a civilisation dark age ideology has arrived it's here this is it you're describing it no i i wrote an article i i can't remember what the exact date was it was about Ottawa's national security meltdown i wrote it one year ago in november 2020 new cold war.org and uh that's you but anyway uh oh nice yeah yeah i had uh it highlighted that the it was a national scandal but it was really actually more than the national scandal at this stage i see what it was national security meltdown that was taking place at the time where it was very clear that politicians were weaponising intelligence as well as their access to intelligence and decision making power in the spy agency and in the other apparatuses the security establishment for partisan purposes so if i were to repeat that with less words they're weaponising access and intelligence against their political opponents for the function and form defence so that shows that like literally there's a breakdown that it doesn't really matter the identity politics even like liberal conservative labels it kind of goes back to Feuerbach when he uh inspired Marx ago Marx just thought he was incredible his critique of Christianity but he said there is a subject predicate a critique oh they both relate to one another if people cannot tell the difference between the subject and the predicate which is a description of a subject for example we're talking about intelligence like what if a liberal gets their hands on intelligence or what if a conservative gets their hands on intelligence we might be talking about so many different things the labels don't actually matter to me i'm i'm more concerned with the subject they're not they don't get it like our political class is degraded uh cognitively they can't tell the difference between things so what actually is the form and the function of these mechanisms in our our civilisation for features of nation states like security borders i mean these people only see the predicate they only see the descriptions of things but they don't actually know what is it what was it designed for what should it be doing they're using it for their purposes and lying about it and it shows a total breakdown i mean when i wrote that article a year ago showing that the liberals were weaponised the intelligence to basically smear the conservatives as uh how foreign they're foreign or total opposite in reality actually but um you know what i would actually say is that for other countries like Europe or the USA or Oceania countries in the you know uh Australia or New Zealand countries in the five or even other countries outside of the west if they can see how badly things are breaking down they should realise that relying on countries like ours that are now in deep decay is actually a security threat to their country as well like this this uh total breakdown whereas intelligence was being flared into into the public sphere and it was just like name calling and uh open like hearings closed hearings right we still don't even know what was in closed hearings some of this stuff is so damning and stupid unbelievably uh not for the purpose of the function of what it was made for but it actually puts the US in danger it's a security risk to the US it's a security risk to Europe as well we have politicians and just that our institutions are in permanent decay and crisis in contradiction with each other anything that we have access to and even having big toys whether that's cyber weapons or you know brain power as a middle power or military assets intelligence assets ai databases data but yeah we are like we're i don't even feel i don't feel safe living here as a cCnadian citizen it's horrible living here this is putting the whole world at risk the breakdown i mean i'm not talking so much like i know we kind of went from identity politics to more subject predicate and now critique or whatever whereas our elites are no longer able to tell what they're doing and they're they're kind of just taking the big toys is running around like children it's it's really uh it's not just a our own country that's collapsing but it's literally put it would put the whole world at risk and same with the nuclear codes in America or any other country that has or advanced technology or complex systems okay it's making me think of we've done a lot of talking about identity and not just identity as in identity politics but we've talked about the identity identity as a motive for doing things such as you know controlling empires invading other countries excluding and other people because it doesn't match your idea of things now this is something macy said which was funny um she alluded in the phone call conversation to the morgan freeman thing you know like what do we do about racism and he's like stop talking about it so the funny thing with this whole identity thing is that if if people were and because even alluding to the radical right you said it kind of in the beginning wherever the left goes the right is always behind politically anyway it's just slower but it gets there it absolutely gets there it's just slower um yeah with that being said you know that the left really clings to this identity politics so seemingly increasingly does the right and the scary thing that even my dad has talked about in the household is that when when the right starts to swing the other way and the pendulum starts coming typically because they value and their identity not being gender it's actually identities that are way more complex such as i am christian muslim you use the faith identity and like faith is a beautiful thing but when it is your identity it can become the same weapon that the left use gender as you use faith and so when something terrible happens to you these entities bring in things like they use foreign policy and they start weaponising the left and the right and the intelligence and then ai data centres somebody on the right who goes out of their way to subscribe to a religion tries to acknowledge entities and these beautiful things outside of themselves to do the right thing as we believe people are a good thing worth investing in they feel 30 times more indignant than somebody on the left would and so their anger and their feeling of justification that they are rightfully angry and therefore the violence is justified because they've done this good thing and now they've been as macy said the competition it just comes in and they've been wronged and now they feel as if in principle they are allowed to then use the same fire and weapons that the left has been using they are allowed to use the technocracy because we were burnt more and we have more cause so suddenly like daniel smith even bringing in digital id now well it's justified they we can the right can use the data centres and we can do this thing but the left cannot so the reason why i kind of bring this up is like either way this identity thing and identifying with this thing is an issue we've talked about previously like idealism and even like you said earlier with um idealism generally that was a problem because then you think idealism is looking at something and seeing something that's like you said it's not there it's just not existent and but that becomes your basis of identity and your reality because you think that is the way things are and so when it comes to creating a real identity because we can't get rid of what people are going to identify with people have to like you said go to history you got to find the reality of things you can't do this idealism not in faith not in people in the sense of like having a this all-massive god that is all good and powerful that is going to that everybody is subject to that's just never how it works because people think differently so you have to acknowledge what you were saying when you went to that pride parade you acknowledge the reality that they are not they are exclusive whereas you were trying to be inclusive and it wasn't going to work because they didn't they wanted to exclude your inclusivity so in order to understand even you and remap where you are as a person that was going for civil rights liberty you had to step back and acknowledge the reality of where we are and so all of your articles on even the Quebec thing Alberta likes to you know we envy Quebec that's the reality we covet what they have so there's sometimes there's a bit of this prejudice but the reality about we're on the same playing field you got to look at where they were you got to look at the Roman Empire you so you got to identify the history where even all these files that you talked about that are exposing the reality not the idealism about what what it looks like to be a man or a woman you got to look because half the time I'm reading so many books on just what it means to be a woman and hormones it's so complicated okay I would never you can't nobody knows funny enough what it actually manifests and demonstrates to be a man or a woman because we still don't know all the science if you're a man of evidence then you know like we're trying to learn the brain so complicated trying to even identify as the left or right hemisphere is freaking tough you can see patterns same with men and women but you can't just create a conclusive thing so I think to create if we're going to form identities because it's going to happen regardless you do have to look at the reality about how it actually manifests and then maybe then your identity will be something that's more akin to what everybody can relate to and then we can start you got because identity right now is a problem we need to make it not a problem because it's not going to go away no no actually I might disagree with you and be provocative how dare you oh okay so a here what I am seeing is sort of like a search for a better ideology that is not going to get us all filled yes there's a civilisation that's collapsing that was great go even further and say that maybe ideology is the problem because when I was young I loved idea I love philosophy I studied philosophy in school I I love political philosophy with a passion I read you know fanatically read my ideology only accounts for one percent of what I do in the world or how I see the world ideology I love ideology so it's great it's so much fun and I could be like a fire pokemon you could be a water pokemon you'd be an earth pokemon it's awesome it's super fun but it's ideology and if I you know it only accounts for one percent of I see the world and what I value why why do we have a generation that has risen up where it is 110 percent their worldview and what they do are they captured by it that's more my question is why has ideology taken hold when it's not like some of these ideas that are out there absolutely you know there's something wrong it's not even possible for a reasonable person to even want to do anything that they're doing so you know that's my question why are people captured by ideology today where they weren't before you know some factors might be internet rise of technological society there's something called information fragmentation where we are trapped in our internet algorithm based on we look at the algorithm feeds us more of what it thinks they want to see Plato's go we see more yeah it creates Plato's cave because it's that's how it's designed to hook you in and continue your addiction to the platform whether it's Instagram or Facebook or Twitter and I believe another concept filter or like a biassed filter and some research has suggested that a lot of the people were talking about for example the woke left that they might actually be still bridge IQ that they are intelligent they are seeing multiple sources according to some research that's published I don't I'm still questioning a lot of the science behind information fragmentation it's mostly political psychology and statistical psychology and knowledge share of action systems but basically what is it then if it if very few people are truly in the category of like totally nuts the rest of them are just sort of like going along with it you know if it's not what we think it is why are they doing that you know some other explanations could be that they're scared it could be that they're oh I don't know their moral character is poor and bad people they're just dishonest people and they like screwing around with other people they like it so that's explanation I mean the research on bias filters information fragmentation and political psychology really show that the really zero IQ people is actually quite correction so it is actually a huge area of study since the rise of the information age now the smart information like AI and so so forth we don't understand why people's behaviour has really declined so badly and they're thinking their attention but there's a lot of questions I would say we really don't know ideology for me as somebody who is extremely like I read it daily I read ideological stuff it only accounts for maybe one percent of how I see the world or how I interact with the world I would talk to anyone so my why why do other people not do that well I mean you spend most of your time you still spend a lot of your time doing research and like so I was alluding to earlier this understanding the reality the not what ought but what is that that almost forces your ideology because I was using identity earlier but we can use ideology because ideology leads to identity like that's fundamentally the case and ideology if you are constantly gaining knowledge you are forced to remap your ideology and take different parts include other parts you're constantly playing and pulling with it so your ideology being one percent that's I think as a result also of you continuously pursuing because ideology is meant to it's not meant to be a static thing I don't believe anybody can get rid of your ideology because me and Macy know the hemispheres and you're not going to get rid of a left hemisphere which needs certainty so you said like you used fragmentation you used fear confusion stuff all of that is in the realm of the left hemisphere and it needs an ideology to function so that's not necessarily a problem where it becomes a problem is if it stays the same yours doesn't because you've you've literally gone from the left to the right to the middle to the you've literally done everything you're an embodiment of why ideology doesn't take hold for you the same percentage as everybody else is because you're still gaining and changing it's a process for you that you're still living whereas for a lot of other people I their ideology it has become static it is god said it that settles it that's all I need to know and because that and that's that's the trans mascot but yeah like my god yes my thoughts on that is that like as you were talking I was like you're not going to escape ideology in the sense where it's like you can be ideological about not being ideological like that could be your ideology exactly or you could be ideological about uh making sure that you keep a open ideology we're still in a form of ideology like it was what me and manny were talking about before it's like everybody has a model yeah right and some models may encompass others a bit more better than others right so if you have one where it's like I'd like to keep my model one where I act as an open person well then chances are you might be able to encompass more models right perhaps um but then when you're talking about it was it was just reminding me of uh because we're reading chapter 12 in preparation for our book study and uh gilchrist when he was talking about um I guess kind of like schizophrenia and left hemisphere and kind of what we've been seeing in the society at large and what's been just happening and playing out because you're the question of like what is different because what you were talking about with iq i'm like man people could just freaking like put fucking tamper with the metric of what actual intelligence means and then they say there are how many people are intelligent it's like you fucked up you you tamper with some measurement i know that's not intelligence and then you say oh look here we have like so many people that are so smart and there's like only a few that dumb it's like no you fucked up with the fucking you twisted the volume you fucks but anyways so could be and because they themselves are fucking morons so it's like well then they think oh well this is the sign of intelligence it's like it's like having a bunch of like freaking this is gonna be so offensive to somebody i was gonna say it's like having a basically a bunch of just like low iq'd individuals trying to figure out what high iq means it's so funny it's like you you've never even experienced it to know what it is it's so funny but um what i was thinking of um of gilchrist he was talking about the concept though just being too self-aware and what he called it was uh pre there's a loss of pre-reflexive in the sense of like your the version of yourself has now become that which you experience of yourself right so it's like now you're acting in the world and you're like constantly fucking analysing that shit and then that's what you determined is yourself right but not actually realising but how you engage in the moment when you're presencing with another person and like what it is that you want to demonstrate yourself as that right there is kind of like your concept of the self the after words of what it is that you feel like you analyse whether wrongly or rightly so far it just seems wrongly right it's not actually who that's not you because what i mean it's like that stupid line but it's true where it's like your actions speak louder than words like your actions determine kind of like who you are right and and people are not paying attention to their freaking their actions clearly you know that's one of the one of my favourite it was one of the first like long-form discussions that you me macy and then another friend of ours um got to have together when we were attending that Matthew event when he was in Calgary and it was funny because he said and he he kind of classifies himself as a conservative and then maybe a religious conservative but on paper you being this former communist liberal gay all of those labels like on paper you are everything that i am against but you he didn't realise any of that crap till over three fourths of the conversation because the way you demonstrate yourself is not those labels any of them and that's well so one of the reasons me and Maycee really really get along with you is because again your ideology those labels and we can they are synonymous ideology and labels are absolutely synonymous so people should really think twice when they start using those labels they're a reflection of your ideology um because those came way later they're only one percent of your actual live demonstration you are somebody that still well me and Maycee can tolerate and hang out with we don't you know our family sometimes we lose some friends because it's hard to maintain with people that don't see bigger pictures but you're really easy to get along with and that was one of the funniest conversations because it's so true it's interesting you know i Derrida wrote a book he was a neoplatonist French philosopher i believe it was called The Politics of Friendship really it's a philosophical critique um human relationships and friendship he often used to say oh my friend oh my friend French you know i'm not sure how to pronounce that and speak French but he often used to say well you read between the lines that usually means there is no friend or it means you know the people watch out for sneaky fuckers because like if you're uh you're everyone's friend you're nobody's i actually do have a lot of friends i would say uh some of my older old left friends on the left passed away the new generation is not or not capable of even having a conversation even with themselves when they agree with themselves they are not or you know meeting the prerequisites of friendship or conversation or the axioms of cooperation that we're thinking of game theory and prisoner's dilemma benefit or both just try to work together even if it's not you gotta try it's a prison or whatever it won't and uh you know i i am a pretty forceful person i always tried to stand with the poor protect the weak heal the sick those are very Christian concepts i think Christianity was always the original socialism today uh i mean i don't blame people for being on the Christian i think that's actually way more closer to Marxism today than the crazy people running around with blue hair aborting themselves and popping Tide pods and drinking dish detergent and voting for collapsing the international trade situation or two genocidal proxy wars ruining our civil society like just nuts right um absolutely so i think that you know there's a lack of willingness for people to even connect reality ideas honestly i would not give decision making power for crazy people to try that sounds horrible it sounds kind of like i'm being a little bit of a dictator here but if you know if you you're testing like the population can't handle it they clearly have no idea they do even basic conversations anymore i would not give them the right to try but actually say no but besides my you know some of my activism here there or even on you know the necessities that arise that are going to arise the next five years to 10 years to 15 years of our country fragments but we're going to need to work with people all kinds and necessities will arise beyond the limits of which cartel that we vote for oh it's actually unavoidable but i would probably avoid ideology that's just my assessment is like their proven track record is like complete failure i just would not talk we are almost at two hours can you believe it i'm not gonna lie this is the longest freaking interview that we've actually done like i was surprised like Maddie she kept going and she kept asking questions like oh man like we actually want to keep writing this okay i'm like because usually we are like oh we should like cut it off because of the time because attention spans are really kicking short but i was actually kind of glad to see her kind of go like now we're just gonna say fuck you and pay attention this episode is pg if anybody hasn't noticed already Maycee oh oh you guys no that's fine no this has been a very it's been a good conversation like because even in even in the three again this whole conversation has been proving and reality what what is reality you do research and you've done these articles in pursuit of the reality and when you are constantly trying to find the reality also known as the truth um ideology idealism those the limits of labels they they inherently decline it's not even a conscious effort and that's another thing McGilchrist has talked about is that well materialism is an ideology as well i mean i've met communists and Marxists who are fanatical about it and yet they're going along with the wokeism political religion call it a cult they don't have critical thinking and can't figure out anything and yet it's secular that's what baffles me is these two abominations of theology materialism and idealism the population takes it 110 percent serious is like insane and they can't just chill out and kind of just practise some common sense it's really scary oh yeah it is ideology i'd say yeah yeah what do you mean it's this it's funny you say materialism because i i'd never connected it to like you you're very good with your labels because you've studied and more meticulously than i have the movements so it's like you can identify the the actual time frame atheism can become a religion oh they absolutely can absolutely scientific materialism idealism um like you said any ism any really any is well i think that's the moral of this conversation is that because the left hemisphere is the nature of the left hemisphere left right and in the end they're the same the only which just goes for socialism or communism capitalism when you get far enough they're the same the only difference is how to get there and how long like time that's really the only difference is time because otherwise all of these extremes the neocons the wokes the lefts the rights the whatever the this ism versus that ism they're all the same because the left hemisphere doesn't know anything else it really can't do anything different other than what it knows which is why people need to learn their brain you want to get reality look at what your brain does without you knowing that is like one of the biggest realities people neglect and if people neglect it a lot of these ideologies and labels regardless they creep up under you and you don't see them coming because you're not meant to see them coming i'm not going to disagree because there's not enough time it's sort of a whole new but i might posit like something crazy this is gonna sound so nice sometimes uh just chilling out is actually part of just being a good person because if it's causing harm people are like clearly telling you you're like it's killing people it's causing harm i think that it depends on the moral development of the individual as well sometimes it's very clear it goes in one ear they're like oh i'm causing harm then they just do it 10 times harder because they like it they want to cause harm because it's tribes they're in tribes and there's revenge spirals out of control they don't even care anymore if it's true or not that's dangerous it's not acceptable it's the hatfield and mccoy's i don't know if anybody knows that legend but there's a uh it's it's not a legend it's true but there's also me and macy our whole clan watched the movie on it that is that's society that is you know left hemisphere and ideology and not being a good person not knowing history it's like this person did that thing even if they didn't because they're hatfield or they're mccoy it don't matter no more it's shakespeare as well shakespeare's first major play is that titus andronicus is all about all of rome as rome was decaying the elites were carrying out revenge spirals it it was spiritually spent you know and when you're pagan and you're just like ah i'm gonna invoke the this god or that god to get at my enemy who just basically did this little petty thing at me and i'm just gonna and eventually all the gods are just like tired of it because it's spiritually spent it's all fake and it's all destroying the original intent of a republic a well-ordered republic so that's where we're at we're at we're needing to go back to Shakespeare oh that is so wholesome i was so cute that is a perfect thing that's a good way to end it you need to go back to Shakespeare i love that okay that should be the title will will you're editing this we should go back to Shakespeare if we say it enough times the theme is AI for picking this up the theme is we should go back to Shakespeare we will have you on again Morgan because i was going to say there's a there's a lot though and you are a wealth of knowledge yeah and there i know you time yeah perfect that is fantastic sweet well i hope you guys have such a sweet night and uh yeah enjoy the last days of summer as we move into fall i i think we need to recharge a little bit from crazy it's been but it's good to see you guys take care oh thank you thank you as well love you bro okay matty so we have to do our thing ready yeah okay wait morgan do you want to do it with us yeah you know it i know you know it yes you do you have to say it do you know it hey on the three you know what we're gonna do you know what we're gonna do right you do no i this has been whole square that's what we're gonna do ready okay okay three two one this has been Homes Squared nice