(0:00 - 0:07) Hi everybody, I am Madison Holmes. And I am Maycee Holmes. And you're watching Holmes Squared. (0:09 - 5:35) So today for this episode we are, me and Maycee are pumped because this is a long time family friend and we said friends by a couple of guests but this is a serious friend. A long-distance friendship that we've been garnering over the years. And Jason is somebody that actually it's because of him that our family is even affiliated with Matthew Errett who is our favourite historian everybody knows by now. So Jason has a close place to our hearts and eventually we'll meet up in person. But until that day comes, one thing we wanted to do is anything tech-related and documentaries. Everybody, I don't know if you've watched, we have toted Matthew Errett's and Cynthia Chung's documentary series and their latest ones have been on Carney. And this is the mastermind behind a lot of them. He works really long hours to get their vision to come to life with all of the information, really dense information. Same with the UFO one. So the artistic vision here is not only insane but then just the tech savviness, any tech issues that I've ever had I've gone and asked him, help me Jay. So there's a really good story here and he's somebody that even when we first started talking to way back when, I want to get a little bit of an update because we were first getting politically involved here in Calgary and then he was trying to do the same in his location. He thought like, how does that look? How do you do this thing? But he's been on the front lines because he was even involved in the trucker convoy that went on. So there's a big story surrounding this dear friend of ours, which we wanted to introduce you to and just to show, talk about some of the geekiness that's behind these really in-depth documentaries, which are some of the biggest things I think today in the podcasting realm. Docu-series really seem to hit home. Yeah, yeah. Honestly, that's a that's a great introduction and even it's funny because even you've got done your own kick at trying to figure out what content creation looks like for you. Like he literally interviewed our family a couple of times but it's just it's cool because it's not too dissimilar from the heart and the drive that we have to want to interview and to want to, I guess, show the community. I guess the online community, the online community, right? But so I guess like the first question then is going to be kind of like can you give people a bit of an introduction into yourself and who you are but also your story that kind of led you into coming into content creation and why it's, honestly, I think it's so important for even just my own little context before you get into answering the question because like we are in a tech age and me and Maddie being young kind of definitely understand this but it doesn't take anyone to really see if you're enmeshed into the online world that it's it's purely online. Like and even it's frustrating because there's pros and cons to that, right? It's like the the love for AI to be able to help create these beautiful docu-series that people can actually like feel they resonate with. Like there's been some where I literally have cried because of Jason's work. Like he made me cry but there's also the hard part of trying to figure out what's real, right? And then trying to so there's that it's a tool it depends on how you use it, right? But it's super important because it's the age that we're going into and it's the age that we're in and so that it's something that I don't think is talked about enough is to a how do you use it like frugally and how do you encourage other people to try and do that for themselves so that way we can I guess edify the whole what we we love from Matthew the whole rising tides float all shifts on a cultural basis using what it is that we have. So for now though we can give the the introduction to the audience of who you are and your story and what led you to going down this route. So you know it's funny thinking about it while you guys were giving me the wonderful glowing introduction and you're focussing on content creation. I guess I've always been a content creator and I think a lot of people in my age realm Gen X a lot of us were content creators for probably the word didn't exist, right? So I was a content creator because I was in a band. We were a professional touring band. I did three albums. We had a great little following in Ottawa but in the in the 90s having a following in Ottawa just doesn't count. Ottawa was a backwater the total musical backwater. You had to be in Toronto or Vancouver and so it didn't work out like it doesn't for most but during the process I fell in love with recording in the studio. I was the drummer so back in those days you recorded the tape and you brought the drum kit in in the first couple days you got all the songs played through from start to finish on drums until you were happy. Then that was it for three months. I had nothing to do for three months but I still came to the studio every day and fell in love with the process. Realised I'd like to do it but also realised that there was stuff that the engineer guy was saying as I was always like that's cool what are you doing there? Hey how do you do that? What's that thing you're using there? He'd be like shut up. (5:37 - 1:13:51) Realised I had to go to school to learn some of it so I went to college for audio engineering and started working in big studios in Ottawa and then saw the writing on the wall as far as bands starting to be like well I don't think we want to pay $180 an hour and $25,000 to do an album we'll just do our bed tracks at home in our bedroom with the new with the new audio interface that we got in a couple of mics. I was like okay wow I'm not going to have a job soon so I took my life savings and set up a professional home recording studio called it Dahlhouse Studios and ran that out of my own place for 15 years in Ottawa but to curl it back around you know to be in a local band and playing shows regularly and making albums. We also had to make posters for every gig and back then that was CorelDRAW and you know designing posters, picking fonts, all the same stuff that you do now to make a YouTube thumbnail right? Just that the events weren't a scheduled live stream it was an actual live show that you were working towards but all the same considerations go into it. Visual impact, grabbing people's eyeballs as they're instead of scrolling through a screen walking down the street you want to make a poster that's going to grab their attention so you know I guess I've always been a content creator. After a decade of having the studio I was starting to get questions about video and YouTube was exploding and I realised that was going to be the future and come hell or high water I was going to force myself to learn how to make videos because I thought that within a few years everybody's going to want a video like I see a future I think we're still early days I think just everybody in the future is going to have a channel and have videos and you know so forced myself to learn how started looking around for gigs on that and you know I was getting the odd little bit of work then the convoy happened and I got my phone out and bought a stabilising gimbal for it and went out every day at the convoy and broadcast under super spreaders a channel that I just started with my best friend up in the Yukon I was still in Ottawa and we just started a political channel to bitch about the crazy politics that we were starting to really smell you know we were seeing a really bad future if things were going to continue so we just wanted to get on there bitch and complain maybe get a following get some cool people on and bitch and complain with them and then the convoy happened and that exploded everything we got on with Viva Frei we got 2500 subscribers in about 65 seconds from being on his show and that kind of put super spreaders on the map and that turned into a social thing and I made videos for people under super spreaders banner and during that time met saw Matthew Errett on Germany's kind of pioneering grand jury about COVID and that was the first time I saw Matthew Errett and they started with him and he starts off by going through like Venetian banking families in the city of London and all this stuff but I'm just like oh my god and you know first time seeing Matt Errett and the guy says oh of course you see the Venetian banking families of course held the black lords up the city of London I'm just like oh my what is this guy and I just did a Hail Mary email to him and he agreed to be on the show and that was before he came on I made like little video intros because I was like people are going to need a bit of a primer to see this guy and then when Matthew saw that he was like oh geez we've been looking for somebody that can make videos and so that that turned into a marriage so that's still you know Matt's my my main client for sure right now making incredible videos I wouldn't call myself the mastermind perhaps a master visionary so that sounds even worse but you know I'm always working with Matt and Cynthia's scripts so that's the script is always the most important thing you can't do anything without a script. Those are several questions that I definitely will get into later because I know there's there's some people even our boss will there's a lot of his own tech work he's a pretty handy guy so later on we'll get into some of those what's the easiest tech thing what's the fun part what's the hardest part with these tech and making these documentaries but Matthew Errett is not your only client you've also done extensive work with the NCI which is very big for most of Canada so do you want to comment on that too and how you even got involved with them and to the extent that you are now? That was another one of the I've always had especially with the the studio and the and then times 10 with the video because I didn't have any existing base there's a real leap of faith thing and use super spreaders to just I didn't wait for clients to anyone to contact me just found cool articles and cool posts and threads on Twitter and said hey that would make a cool video and make it without their permission which is probably technically illegal and then just throw it out there but of course everybody's so flattered and happy to see their their thread turned into a video that they love it and they share it so you know that was the idea to just work and just get things out there so when the NCI was announced I was you know hyper intrigued I thought what a bloody great idea I think unlike a lot of Canadians I was I'd watched all of that German grand jury on on COVID thought that what a bloody great idea you know really brings home how much we need the lawyers to wake up if we're going to get anything done in Canada we need the lawyers so everything looked great I got to the point where they did the official announcement for the NCI and I was like this is amazing but it's not cool so I want to help so I made a trailer for the NCI to open their their broadcast with I just thought that you know throw something together a little bit generic but it's powerful and uplifting good music that kind of stuff and gave it to them and within a couple of days I was contacted by the president Sean Buckley and they were just blown away by it they decided they weren't ready for it they it's kind of thing that they wished that they had but they knew they didn't have the time to to get people you know a very small group really running that and they were just so blown away and then yeah I ended up I attended they came to Ottawa when I lived there so they I attended those events and Sean's wife made me the NCI ambassador maybe ambassador she just wanted to give me some kind of title so I could stroll up to the the front press table and yeah I did lots of filming there and remained kind of inextricably linked with them I've been to their Vancouver and Edmonton hearings as well and help whenever I can with video and will continue to no I think that's wicked like when I honestly the NCI is a brilliant idea but I like the fact you're like guys it's not it's not going to get much traction I think that that's wicked I mean even I think it's the thing that draws me as well as the fact that's like as you were mentioning you kind of started off in like the the band route and then you were like okay that's not really working out and then you decided to go get educated and you were like okay I'm gonna actually try and figure out how I can learn this stuff and then you were like oh shoot I might not actually be earning money here and then all of a sudden like the world just kind of throws a curveball at you right but instead like you kind of take it and you're like I'm not just gonna work for anyone just for the sake of you know trying to earn a living it's like you're actually like working for these people because you're like genuinely believe in what it is that they're doing and you're like these people and it's so funny because I've heard this all the time and it's not just like conservatives because I don't necessarily equate with just that label but I've heard of it in the sense where it's just like we're not very good at being popular and it's not very sexy like that's kind of like the the term that I hear a lot and I think that it's just cool that you're like okay I'm just gonna do this on a limb they might not even like it but you're right like it's so flattering because it's a it's not a skill that a lot of people even know how to do and the people that are going out of their way to try and solve the problems it's like even me and Maddie and our small experience with trying to do our own video editing and then creating shorts it's just like it's a lot of time and effort and so it's a full on job and I just think it's so cool that you decided I'm just gonna take it on and then see where it goes yeah you know there's a bit of risk there and as you guys know I mean even making a two-minute trailer it can be three days work you know so I mean it did but it takes a bit of a bit of a jump especially when you're not in the industry this is stuff if I wanted to be my career I should have been learning when I was 18 right and I'm picking it up when I'm 40 so it's like gotta gotta get in there somehow and you hit the nail on the head that's something I always tell people you know what has ended up being called the conservatives kind of view now is older group skewing towards non-controversy you know I don't like things that turn down that loud music kids kind of kind of group not great at picking fonts you know don't know how you just figured out how to use your email and one of you know so it's like yeah that's a problem that I recognised early on is that you know especially below a certain level of course you got your top level guys with huge budgets and they just hire cool people and they make cool scenes and stuff like that but anything below that at the moderate to low and newer people starting out in this they don't have access to to cool visuals even if they're aware of the impact and they wish they had so that's certainly especially when it came to the NCI I was like this is this gonna be really lame unless they get some unless they get a cool a cool video done and I did it and yeah it's been helping them ever since and so since then the president of the NCI Sean Buckley turned out he had this organisation called the Natural Health Product Protection Association which we will mercifully call the NHPPA he's had this running since 2008 and pretty incredible story there as well he actually I think might be the only lawyer to win against the government when it comes to Health Canada and overturning laws that they put through yeah it's quite an amazing story there's a new movie out called Epiphany that tells the story of a family are they in Alberta yeah I'm pretty sure they're in Alberta and they made a company called True Hope that sells supplements might have heard of them yeah they're big supplements yeah good for you they're big literally good for you they're they're a big deal you know a huge multi-million dollar company that they built up by they wanted to get their animals make animal feed that was you know chemical free but they wanted to see if it really helped so they started doing you know scientific style studies on it and found great benefit for the animal so they started taking what they'd learned from that to make human supplements and specifically trying to get their kids who had I don't seem to run heavy in the family massive like chronic depression suicidal tendencies bipolar manic bipolar yeah they have massive problems with that and they started putting their learning into making supplements for that and any other kids that they could get to take it completely cured of all that stuff and off of the chemical drugs within a year I believe instant results basically and they spun that into a huge business with massive success all the while doing you know proper data keeping and record keeping and to track people's you know success like actually doing scientific studies on this to make sure that the stuff works and that it's safe and it is this all natural stuff until Health Canada raided them with SWAT teams yeah yep and the youngest son in the business was Canada famous when he was arrested and brought to trial for killing his baby allegedly for giving him natural health products instead of the chemical drugs that he was supposed to and the baby died it was later proven he was a found guilty as well sentenced to five years in prison I was later found out that well it was found out during the trial but he was still found guilty eventually he's been acquitted because the the autopsy itself said that it was a medical misadventure they screwed up in the ambulance and killed the kid in the ambulance yeah oh yeah they tried to blame it on the and they and this is why you don't hate the cbc you know this is why you don't hate the cbc enough they were they ran with this front page for months ran it as like uh headlines of couple gives pickle juice to baby instead of antibiotics baby dies kind of thing for months they were the the head cheerleaders on this and uh to this day I tell the story and lots of people remember the story they might not remember the names of the particulars but it's canada's um it's exactly canada's version of the mcdonald's lawsuit where the woman burned herself on the coffee did you guys ever hear about that no you know it was a big deal uh you don't hear talked about quite as much anymore but it was a huge deal um a lady uh launched a lawsuit against mcdonald's because she burnt herself because her coffee was too hot mcdonald's pr teams and um spun it that this uh what state are we in in america everybody's lawsuit crazy look at this this this lady's suing us because her coffee was too hot and that's how it got reported and that's the outrage ended up being against the lady but when you look under the hood the story the real story is she was like 87 or 90 or something she got drive-through coffee served to her that was uh over the boiling point because it was in the the pressurised tank when it spilled it spilled all over her body and she got second and third degree burns all over her skin all over her face so mcdonald's absolutely screwed up but uh ask your mom and dad about it they'll they'll remember this this was worldwide front page news look at this uh greedy woman stealing money from poor Mcdonald's so that's exactly that's exactly and that's exactly how they put it out there's actually a documentary film about it which was the first time i'd ever heard of it because i didn't really care that much at the time i ate it up like everybody else did but there's this amazing documentary that goes under the covers on that and shows you that she it was it was a pr effort and that's when you when you look at the how much the government hated on true hope and sent SWAT teams out to their house and all this stuff and fought their uh their supplements tooth and nail it's certainly not a coincidence that they arrested um one of the members of the family and put that uh put that on him it could hardly be a coincidence right you know and they're still fighting them except they're doing it smarter now they're doing it the modern uh liberal government way which is just avoid parliament altogether and what they're doing now is uh changing Health Canada's and the ministry of the minister of health's powers uh completely without law that they just insert them into budgets last one was 2023 they just inserted a few lines of code into that budget that made the minister of health god and changed a law that was ironically passed to punish um chemical drug manufacturers after one girl was killed by using one of these drugs for i don't remember her the whole story the law was actually called Vanessa's Law and it was made to punish uh chemical drug manufacturers who don't stay by the rules or cause harm uh but in 2023 they just inserted a few lines of code into the budget not proposing a new law or anything to add a few lines to Vanessa's Law to make it apply to like vitamin C so if they don't like if you don't pay if you don't put up you don't do the testing that they demand now just as if you're you know trying to create a new poisonous chemical drug uh you face five million dollar a day fines so manufacturers retailers and all of us are in danger of having natural health products in Canada just wiped off the face of the earth and this is everything that you take your Saint John's Wort your vitamin C might be pushing it a bit there'll probably always be vitamin C but you know what i mean they're technically no different we're talking about products that are that grow out of the ground these are natural products there hasn't been anyone ever killed by them that or if it's just affiliated with like larger companies that want to monopolise over it then the poor guys that are actually like trying to build it up themselves like no you didn't go through all the processing you can't do that like that's the real game yeah that's the real game you you nailed the if we have natural health products made and sold in canada they'll be by one or two companies that will have bought up every natural health food store in the country basically turn them into you know shoppers drug marts staffed with you know whoever can stand for eight hours and do the job as opposed to your good old natural health store you can go in and have people that know what they're selling they order the products you can talk to them about the benefits problems you're having and they can recommend something which is also on the chopping block there's been rumours not fully verified but rumours that they send inspectors out plainclothes undercover go into national natural health product stores and go hey uh you know i've got cancer treatments and it's really making my ears ring what can i do for that and if the person or you know what we've got any anything that helps with cancer and if they do recommend something then they'll be able to find the store for making false claims of efficacy oh my gosh yes and Canada doesn't know about this i didn't know about this until i got hired by NHPBA by Shawn Buckley he pulled me in there and i mean i had to sit down after a week and just take a break i couldn't believe what i was hearing this has all been happening secretly quietly in the background and we've seen this real propensity with the government to avoid parliament i mean it's been almost two years since we've had parliament sitting in Canada that hasn't stopped them spending or enforcing laws or making new regulations and this is a horrible trend that we're facing so i mean natural health products is just one of them but it's a huge one if they succeed with this they'll be able to do almost anything that i appreciate that little exposition there because that just emphasises the importance of this natural health product protection association because even us we've experienced this even in Calgary there's we go to a rolfer and rolfing is in Canada it is really not recognised whatsoever but it's basically facial um massaging and yeah facial sorry facial massages and they're just they're really uncomfortable because it's i always call it like it's a chiropractor but for the muscles and it does it puts a lot of stuff back in place when you get adhesions and stuff but the point is you can't claim as a rolfer that you can heal anything you only massage therapeutically and it makes you feel better and we've had the same thing with different um health um health companies in the past where they produced maybe this you know hydrogen slow-releasing tablets and hydrogen has a lot of benefits for you but again if you claim that it has any benefit and it can cure name your thing here then you get completely thrown off the ropes and we've experienced that so many times just even me and mason your own family trying to find acquire even sharing it you know they give us this warning make sure you don't make any claims even though you can claim it because it does do this thing and it's effective because the science behind natural products is immense but that's that's a very big deal what you are involved with and keeping on all of this that is so important i think it's oh sorry i was just gonna say it me up at night you go ahead oh no i was gonna say it's cool that like when you're going down in the rabbit holes that you're going down based on the work that you do yeah i got the opportunity to like edit a couple videos for Matthew because he was just needing it like a second hand man i was like oh okay sure and i just love how i get to sit there and listen on repeat to Matthew Errett who's a freaking human encyclopaedia where i need to repeat it this many times in order to understand what he's talking about and i just get to do it while i like learn and work and i just thought it was so cool so i'm like that's wicked that you get to do that and you get to absorb all this information while you're trying to help them you know succeed yes yeah it's a great way to learn it really does settle in after a while um one of the the biggest things that i tell people if they think that they want to become an audio engineer or film editor is like go home and put um seven seconds of a song on on repeat and leave it there for half an hour and if you don't need to call a doctor afterwards you might be able to be an engineer that is so true oh my gosh that's so funny that's so true yep i've been doing work at home and like uh you know uh back in the day and my wife would just be like oh my god kill something right like uh just losing it people have to leave the room and like dude how do you do that man just like a single snare hit on repeat for you know 15 minutes while i work on getting rid of the background noise or whatever yeah so if that doesn't bother you that's that's one of the best attributes to have um and yeah nothing better than having to repeat matt and cynthia's videos over read their scripts and that kind of thing um and i've become a good foil as well uh they know so much and they have to explain so much just to make their point uh it can often be a bit much and so i if i find that i'm getting overwhelmed then i let them know and usually we make a little cut here and there in the script to kind of fine tune it so it's a good good team that way there's actually a question that um on the the nitty gritties was dealing because you've have had a couple clients now what are some of the the things that most invigorate you about working with these people and just the whole back and forth the teamwork process and then even when you're on your own what are what are some of the biggest highlights during creating one of these either it's an intro a trailer a docuseries yeah the highlight for me is always finding the the arc in the in the script so we need to find your motivation the barrier and i need the goal the barrier and the result at the end or the problem reaction reaction solution or the hero and the enemy and the big battle at the end and the victory that kind of thing so gotta find that in in the script which can take a while and some of these scripts we've just put the last hidden hand was almost feature film length yeah yeah yeah i think we were like a little over an hour with that one so there's a lot to read but um i'm always looking for the the hero the villain and and the resolution right so i'm always looking for those sometimes i don't even fully read the script until we're and i'm already chopping up film because i've found that and so when i find the the big moment for me is always when i can cut this together a little bit of something something an intro one little section um that's how almost all these projects started this was one little section where i go okay all right cool and and i can make a little clip and then i'll show that to them and well that can be one of the one of the other things you gotta have thick skin if you're going to do this work because i mean you you you i can put together a bunch of clips and and and get it all set up get the the voiceover done choose some music and the clients who shall remain nameless um and be just like what is this like seriously sometimes we're just like what is this this is you know totally like almost an affront sometimes and you just realise wow okay i had a different problem reaction solution in my head or a different style right um so another thing to to bring it back to say Matt and Cynthia they've got um an older highly intellectual refined base these guys his crew get together on a regular basis and discuss play-doh yeah uh word by word right so um from their side is coming a lot of like um uh greek pillars and playing the zither and and some strings and and having a nice cup of tea uh where i'm like the the i have my mind broken by 9-11 so i want to do like uh fast cuts hip-hop hip-hop beats cool fonts things whizzing by you fun transitions uh you know low attention span stuff so i think so the the magic of every collaboration is where those massive differences collide and i end up not making just basically a wacky music video which is what basically i'm i try to make on my own and they don't make a dry dry boring kind of like a lecture with some some cellos on it right like and the two come together and we get sections where the the music video style hits really hard where it needs to and then you pull back and get the the much more elaborate story when you need to and so you know and and again being in a band was the exact same thing it's like you get it fine when you finally find you start off with a bunch of buddies and it kind of sucks and then you start firing the the guys that can't actually play once you realise that you you're a little more serious you end up with five people that you can get along with well enough to do it but it's more like a band of brothers and you don't pick your brothers right so you get lots of friction you get lots of fights everybody has a different vision for what's going on and if you can make it through the friction that that's where the beauty comes in and the successful compositions and most bands you hear about you'd barely be in the same room together anymore sometimes and wrote some of their best masterpieces right so not that i have any friction like that with clients just that there's friction like that with with every collaboration and that's where really where the magic comes out yeah they're in um the book the master and his emissary which me and Macy always advocate people read he he delves into the master and his emissary it's on the hemispheres emissary emissary no no no worries yeah part of my list um and in in it he goes into things like music and history and one of my favourite lines when he's describing the nature of music and also in downstream most art is that things like violins cellos your guitar the only reason it works is because you have tension on either side of the string pulling it in opposite directions otherwise you can't pluck it and there's no music that comes out of it so i just thought that is such a beautiful way and that's exactly what you just described is this this whole artistic um manifestation that happens it's from the tension and all of you trying to do different spaces in between the notes yeah that's brilliant actually this tension on both sides of the string that's a that's so good it's almost a t-shirt yeah there there are definitely a couple one-liners in in the book where i'm like yeah his music stuff really hits home for me honestly i want to like i can't emphasise enough for people listening to please go and watch like not only Matthew and Cynthia's docu-series because i love Matthew and Cynthia's work but also watch them because of Jay's hard work yeah every time we watch them we're like oh like Jay did good or like he could fix that i whatever and then we give you the feedback and you're like oh yeah you're kind of right and then you tweak it a little bit but like at the end of the day like every time that the docu-series comes out and i believe Jay you were you helped with Calypso's Island as well correct oh yeah oh yeah that's an understate Calypso's like Calypso's Island absolutely love that was one that made me cry um and then the first one all of them all of them made you all cry i really loved Calypso's Island i couldn't help it the message was so good but also just the way that it was executed i was just like blown away but the UFO series you're talking about how you were looking for that what is the i guess the arc and i think that those are so well executed and so what is like the the parasite that you're kind of dealing with right but what else also a bit of the hope story and the whole thing is like they can they can be a little blackmailed like if you're watching them you'd be like what the hell right but at the same time you can be so funny enough uplifted by the fact that you know it now it's like i don't know why but when i'm watching them i'm like oh man i'm so fucking glad i know this shit now i was so i was so happy when they announced they were going to go into this uh and that you know that they were uh sceptics on the whole UFO thing the UFO thing tends to play really really well on the right they they say you get a lot of people who are into digging up on the conspiracies that you know figure that this is all true that there's you know captured craft and aliens and they're hiding it and all this stuff and um and i i i was so glad that they did because i just happened to come along um what was his name uh he was a big kind of he was like the big loud mouth back in the day in the 90s something when i'm trying not to think of it but he was a former uh uh air force guy uh he was killed right after 9-11 on his land uh by the police uh big Alex Jones type before Alex Jones William uh everybody's gonna be screaming it at the screen William he was big on this and he was warning everybody in like 1980s that uh the the government was going to fake a UFO contact and use it to control us and stuff so i was already just on that one specific talk but by sheer chance i was already kind of enlightened on that and i kind of stopped taking in any UFO conspiracy theories but i was really glad that Matt was taking it on because a lot of people just really suck this stuff up uh when you realise how little there is to it and how hard they're trying again they seem to be trying really hard in the 70s and 80s took a break for a while but now they seem to be going all out on this i think there are more hearings going on right now in congress in the states and they're showing all sorts of you know saw that the shooting down a UAP was just shown at the hearing in congress so i mean they're still going on this stuff and i wonder do you think they're going to like enact a fake a UFO landing and have like Claw 2 is going to come out and like save us and they're going to have like a fake Claw 2 like that'll that'll tell us what to do here's how to save your planet from your global warming humans right well and our tech is so advanced now that it's it's actually even more terrifying because at least back in the day you had to put in like some genuinely real effort and so it was like it was a full-time job to try and psyop people like that but nowadays like you can barely tell the difference between what's real and what's not when it comes to like AI and shit and then even with like the weird projections now that they're playing within the sky of like can they actually like create different scenes now up in the atmosphere and then to me that makes me worried because it's like oh and like i know a lot of people are not gonna like what i'm about to say but like if the idea of what we know in the sense of like um the i guess like end time religions and such like that it's just like putting up like some messiah in the sky and they go like look that's it it's like hopefully guys like they weaponise religion just as much as they'll weaponise literally anything and like right you can get three or four groups at once by playing this out now that the problem that i have though is physically pulling it off so yes technology is a lot more advanced but pulling off out in the real world in the weather uh in front of the actual human blood bags with eyeballs watching all this happen that's tricky that that's more of a full-time job than any op used to be so would it have to be mostly Wizard of Oz would have to be mostly behind the curtains you know even if you give them 20 years ahead of the rest of us for technology i mean i don't know projecting or having a robot alien or something i mean still seems like that would be a hell of a thing to try to pull off so it would have to be all behind behind the curtain but i still think they might i mean the evidence presented in a hidden hand behind UFO series um watch it now on canadianpatriot.org um the is compelling that they've been somehow working towards this for a couple hundred years yeah that's the one thing that i find with things like and i definitely recommend people watch it uh we've we showed even um since we're so involved on the conservative side in Alberta um we've met people where it's aliens did the pyramids and there's no other explanation because humanity is not capable and we are not smart enough to have done it ourselves and um i don't love that argument um but we've also shown some of our friends the UFO series who previously and it's not that it debunked that aliens exist because who the hell can answer that question not a single one of us but what it does is that it shows the intention of the movement the political movement behind the scenes why there is incentive to have people try and intentionally have the public believe this thing and that was the same thing that you did with Cynthia's um little baby of the escaping Calypso's Island is that with the environmental movement again what were the intentions why is it beneficial to certain people and who is it beneficial to to have people on board with the environmental movement and the one thing that these things are really successful at is because it's always built with part truth it's like even in the UFO thing showing the footage of the military bases that were trying to make disc like um military equipment and ships like it's not that UFOs have never been cited or seen it's because there's a different context surrounding it so there's always this middle ground including with the environmental movement the feminist movement the hippie you name the movement and there's a middle ground where there was part truth because something in reality really was taking place but then other parties went and took it and co-opted it for their own reasons and that's the one thing that i think that you Cynthia Matt you really do well in all of those things and just emphasising the importance of those documentaries even your work with the the health products because again like you get those those psyops where they're trying to take you and via things like tech and then even with the technocracy movement that's going on today also taking over the conservative side you get people that are on board with um the new RFK Jr yet the what you thought was the health movement is no longer the health movement so you just get these tiny little subversions and they they throw you off the wall well you get the nail on the head it's not it's not our job nor is it possible for us to figure out what they're going to do what we can figure out is why they're doing it the little the little what's going to happen tomorrow or it's fun to play a little poker game where you're like oh what do you think are they going to like pull another 9-11 are they going to like pull some towers somewhere are they going to drop some poison in the water and tell us it's a new disease are they going to you know string some drones down and tell us that klatu has arrived from venus to tell us how to stop global warming it that's a fun poker game to play but we'll never figure it out we're always going to be caught by surprise by the actual events for the most part um it's why Matt and Cynthia's and other people who focus on history that their work is so important because then we can figure out why they're doing what they're doing and then it all just seems that well of course they're doing this you know and and whenever they dangle that little spaceship in the sky for all of us we're going to be like get out of here like yeah you know the same with you know the the green agenda we watch Calypso's Island um you see Apple calling itself you know 100 percent green now and we know it's a complete lie and we know why it's a lie um so yeah we just keep on working on the why the the best part of conspiracy work is just figuring out why they're doing what they're doing and then it all makes sense after that and you don't need to figure out exactly what they're going to do next yeah i like that because it also it gives people i guess a sense where it's just like now who's the first that they take out right usually actually sometimes it's Canadian um comedians in the sense where it's just like if you start to make fun of this stuff then it kind of bears less weight right and then so when you are now recognising the why then it is one of those things where you get to look back and like like that's so stupid or oh my gosh they think that they can do that again like no i'm not fooling like uh fold me one to shame on uh you fold me twice shame on me right it's like no no you're gonna do that right i'm not plaguing to that and so that's i like that that's that's very true and it's very i think it's a good thing for people to hear because also like i know that there are some people who do play the game of like speculating and they're trying to see like what's the future gonna look like and they do a pretty good job um all the time though even the best of the people that actually can predict still will say but i don't have a crystal ball so i don't actually know for sure right it's like all every time they might be like on par most of the time and they're the type of person where nothing surprises them but hopefully we get to the point where nothing will surprise any of us right because we're like okay we know what these bastards just keep on like pushing down our throats and then obviously that's why me and maddie we tried to figure out well how locally can you figure out politically how to do that and i guess maddie if i'm pretty sure that was one of your little questions that you wrote down on your tiddly little notebook which was um politics wise like are you still involved and like obviously like to me i'm like of course you're still involved look at what you're doing but i meant like on the on the local level like have you been trying to figure out how to pursue that still or has that kind of been like a bit of a battle where it's just like a little too busy at the moment you know all that fun jazz so and what's going to be the wildest revelation of the interview you guys knew this but canada didn't i've never driven a car in my life so it was only uh two months ago that i got my licence so uh that renews uh the possibility of potentially uh taking action uh politically certainly locally and i've joined the the local um the provincial parties and all that kind of stuff and gone out and shaking hands so you know there's been an opening on that uh that might continue um i've gotta say that everything feels a little different after the last election um is so disheartening to see Canada pick you talk about dangling the ufo they just dangled an international banker that hasn't lived in Canada for most of his adult life in front of us for a few seconds while yelling Trump putting up a trump card with the other hand and uh they voted the guy into a damn near majority and i know the feeling up here certainly with me and i mean um you know on the super spreader show it was always me and my buddy rain and even in the intro we put me as like grey pilled kinda and put him up as black pilled um he's been ready to walk away there's a reason he's been up in the Yukon for 15 years he's been ready to walk away for a long time but after this election i think it changed a lot of things for a lot of Canadians just to see that we could go through 10 years of that uh from before and Canadians just vote for more of it again except acting as if they're being patriotic acting as if they're proud of it you know uh is really turned a lot of people off and it's uh it's made me a darker shade of grey on my pill i've got to say um combined with getting so busy with film that um it's taken me somewhat out of the political action side of things but i remain i still have hope i still help where i can so well yeah your your documentaries and all the work that you do to help um people like Shawn Buckley and then Matt and Cynthia and your other kinds like that that is still being politically involved you are absolutely helping the movements that me and Maycee seem to be i would say your work's damn near almost more important because it's culture like yeah it's culture yes right that's upstream yeah the local stuff i appreciate but even with what's going on with the Alberta sovereignty movement and how like kind of we're trying to push for that right now i'm like i'm watching the Carney documentary series that you and Matthew are creating and i'm just like if we don't know this um separated from Canada or not we're fucked like if we don't know this we will just end up right back at square one i'm like that to me i'm like is way upstream of even what it is that we're trying to accomplish down here at home yeah yep and um and so you're seeing like now we're getting a little bit more in gamey with the you know the maoist kind of identity politics that have been going on here for the last you know does well you know 70 years when you really look at it um in fact i'd actually like to do um another one with you girls at some point um i've made a giant i was going to make a quick super spread his video about this kind of Maoist conspiracy that's grown in our society and that uh my big pastime is watching YouTube videos on about video games i love the gaming sphere the the personalities the technicalities of making games and now of course the politics of making games because video games have replaced film and uh e and books all in one this is where the next generation is really getting their myths built and these uh maoist fuckers knew it and you know they've infiltrated the entire industry so i wanted to make a little super spreaders you know spread it video five six minutes and so a quick way to do that was that Apple now includes an app called Freeform which is like a big pin board so i just started grabbing these little artefacts images and artefacts articles and stuff putting them all together so you can quickly scan through and make some points done because you know like when i'm making something for myself i try to make it as minimal effort as possible because i know it'll never get done if i try to make a big super produced thing because i've got four other people waiting for me to make their super produced thing well that uh video never got made and that pin board is now like 10 gigabytes and you have to it you can zoom out it's like zooming out on the surface of the earth and you're starting with like um what do they call the the Frankfurt group the philosophers um going through and connecting into queer theory critical race theory breaking out into all the groups that are uh actively controlling our media um through uh how they infiltrated the video games industry and um how it's affected the outcome product like so we're going from like Marxism all the way through in communism all the way through to current day um where uh really if you don't for a lot of people i think in our sphere they don't really follow it that much we do games are either kids or they stopped playing a long time ago but it is one of the major front lines in the cultural battle and so now if i'm going to make that video it's going to be an hour and a half long but it makes a hell of a presentation so i'd actually uh request that you guys bring me back and i pull up that Freeform and we walk through it because it's pretty bloody wild no i would love that yeah video games is something that that would be an entire conversation especially with the angle you have like i have my own angle just looking at video games as a cultural effect but then like you said yes this infiltration that has happened and then all those connections that is something i haven't actually considered much so i can't actually share my screen can i i have no idea you could send me something yeah i'm gonna see if uh i can actually find yeah i think that might be the the trailer just let me check and then there's another trailer that you sent us that we can show at some point i'd yeah so we're about i am on the verge of finishing a feature horror film okay that's definitely not what i was expecting yeah started um okay i could send you that copy link and send yeah uh we shot it in 2022 over 2023 and i've been editing it ever since um kind of on a week-by-week basis we had like the first little part done and it's self-financed by my production partner we have a company called Studio 1970 that we set up to start making short films we immediately started like winning awards local awards at Ottawa film fests and stuff like that so it was encouraging and he's always been a writer so it's all been leading up to this where he's self-financed his own film and we're about to release it October 9th it's gonna be opening in theatres in Ottawa for its big premiere which is uh scary because it's not done oh my gosh yeah you gotta book it like 90 days in advance so that's really funny because i think that's like the nature of the game even uh i think it was The Hobbit and they were editing the scenes with smoke the day of release really yeah right so it's not just us yeah if you watch them the extras it literally it was them going like okay it needs to be released and literally like we're on the countdown now and then he's like okay oh terrifying um i just always remember uh an interview with you two is like i don't know you two thousand ish and uh they had booked their worldwide tour for their soon-to-be-released album but they hadn't started recording it yet and the guy's like why did you do that and uh the guitar player is just like nothing motivates like an impending deadline they hadn't written a song and they booked the world tour that's hilarious it is true is this the first that's an example of the Marxist thing just a little cut of it yeah you can just take a look at that but it shows what we're in for here but just show this to visually show what we're up against here i've done various takes of this where i'm trying to like voice over to it and but it look it just gets crazy it's the ultimate i'm a crazy conspiracy conspiracy theorist conspiracy board see how far along we get uh that's just the top half so the bottom half that'll all get tied into basically how those theories which are like Frankfurt School uh you know post-world war two Marxists um who were got disillusioned that the Soviet Union kind of turned out to be such a piece of shit and they could never and America was so successful every American was more successful than the most of the richest Soviet Union and Chinese people right so like you couldn't they realised we can't sell communism anymore to America so how are we going to do it and they went in through this method hit the universities tell them they're all victims it's all about your race it's all about your sex it's all about your queer it's all about your and that we all know now just took over schools especially the teachers colleges and everybody secretly without our knowing while we slept came out the other end of the higher learning facilities completely indoctrinated in that they end up getting into the video game industry and just ruining it and like everything else you know uh that appeals to men it's been completely subverted so now like all your heroes in video games are black Chinese crippled intersexual gay whatever's right like there's no more standard male heroes in video games the girls are all ugly oh my gosh this is an entire this okay we'll have to have a conversation on it yeah i was actually i was actually bugging matt to let me on to present it as well because i thought his crowd was pretty blown away from it i don't think if you do a Rising Tide presentation i bet you he would let you for sure like he's only he asked me he asked me i told him about this and he was like you should present this you totally should video games to the plate to the play-doh crowd but it is all the same thing and i think i think play-doh would have been fascinated by this oh hell yeah yeah i probably would like probably would like Call of Duty too dude oh my gosh okay another time another time the nudges within that that's insane my brain is on my brain so uh yeah what else did i send you that we can quickly show i had the trailer for your um horror film yeah yeah you can show that one we can go kind of back in reverse and i do want to show the yeah so you got to figure out audio it's definitely one audio for the other stuff yeah all right now that's the real and it's all going to be shown it's all going to be broadcast so this is kind of the announcement trailer that was wicked that was so in a VW van yeah also in the VW van yeah so um i did leave out the the main fact that the petition is to support um an actual law that Shawn Buckley wrote uh 15 years ago called the Charter of Health Freedom and so this this proposes to create a new ministry of wellness and a minister of wellness that would take over the duties uh that now that Health Canada tries to hold over natural health products and all of our health choices uh takes those off their plate health canada gets to keep all of its um offices for approving chemical drugs and all the kind of you know big pharma bullshit that it does now it can continue to play with those guys in their own little sandbox but the law would prevent them from pissing in our sandbox basically that's very simple there's a very succinct way of putting it yeah yeah and it's quite simple it's quite um incontroversial really once people are aware of it almost everyone should support it because i don't i've never met anyone that doesn't have a couple packages or bottles of something in their closet that's their favourite thing to take when they got a sore throat or whatever that's a natural health product right you know so everybody should be on board with this it's just no one knows about it so that's why the flashy idea of having doing like a Terry Fox Run from coast to coast to to get just to get eyeballs on this because even members of parliament don't know this is happening when they find out they're outraged so you know should be a no-brainer so that's the announcement trailer for that and i'll be broadcasting with them every day i'm going to have the like nightly news show called the highway to health that's going to keep people yeah it's going to keep people uh up to date on what's happening and i'm going to do like green screen with the whole newsroom and tv screen in the background and stuff like that yeah yeah um yeah so that'll be fun that's gonna be my October and i won't be doing much else and then also in October is the release of the feature film that my production partner and i've been working on for years and it's been a hell of a journey but it's almost ready so if you wanted to show that do you have a trailer did you send us the trailer for that yeah that was before after that one unfortunately they all say just drop box let me see what which one's which here yeah it's the second to last one i sent 33 minutes ago in the chat oh okay i think yeah tmts trailer that's it yeah yes okay shall we put this one has a couple rude this one has a couple rude words in it okay i mean i swear all the time on this segment when i shouldn't so it's fine that's true it's they make themselves small but i see them just a reminder to our local listeners be on the lookout for anyone suspicious there is a killer on the loose and they call him the gardener scary stuff folks keep your doors locked and your guns loaded now this classic i love a good introduction there exists evil beyond the realities we cast upon this world till a month ago Turner was a normal guy working in a bar hot girlfriend cute dog he just bought a house life was good i beg to differ what is happening here is not what you think you don't want to know what i think he told Tassie that the murderer was possessed by demons now this makes any sense so Turner possessed by a gaggle of demons goes on a killing spree and then what when you were just a girl you used to go to confession did you know the priest was touching himself when you told him about the first time you fellated i did that as a compliment it's enough to make a guy lose his lunch oh don't mention food i skipped breakfast i saw what you did i saw it here is there and that was also a PG warning yeah right i'm sorry guys that was a little graphic leave that up to you guys in the edit if you don't want to show that that's it's a definitely R-rated trailer um but that is uh Jason guess what you're learning DaVinci Resolve so that's that's all in DaVinci except for a few except for a few titles and some other little bits in final cut but that's me learning how to use DaVinci and it's been a horrific process no kidding oh my god i've never come across a piece of software that i've hated and loved so much at the same time i think every software i've ever used i feel oh yeah yeah yeah to some degree though i gotta say you know Final Cut is infuriating as well but generally the process of cutting and mixing it does what you want visually it's a lot of fun to use like playing with Lego um severely limited in a lot of ways but some it's like Apple stuff the limitations sometimes lead to it being easier to use and more fun whereas da vinci tries to do everything all at once every menu has got 400 options it's just absolutely mind-boggling and then it constantly undoes my work i go in and it things have changed pieces have moved it's been it's been a battle been a years-long battle but we're almost there so either way you guys can show that or not you guys seriously think about it because uh i forget how rude it is because i've watched it a thousand times no it yeah as long as will puts a warning yeah it's fine there you go well that's that's your cue up to you guys yeah up to you guys you guys know the the nature of your show and i think that was it were we showing any more fun stuff i mean on that note i'm gonna show people again this is your website Dahlhouse Studios which is so brilliant that is so brilliant it's a cute yeah it's a it's cute it was a no-brainer yeah it was too easy yeah it was too easy because every if we i don't know if we said Jason Dahl you said that at the beginning that's his name that's why it's Dahlhouse um this is his website so people can if you have your own creative project or you just want to say hi because he's clearly a cool guy or ask questions on how to get started yourself yeah come check out his lovely website here you can contact him via that and then there's also super spreaders as he alluded to earlier this is where you can stay up to date and get that's more of their political bitching yeah if you want to hear that kind of bitching and one more link while we're self-aggrandising i do have a pro audio and video youtube channel so i just popped that link in the chat we can promo that as well because that's going slow holy smoke gee yeah it's the nature of building anything it is it is and i can only dedicate so much time to it and i'm in the growth phase now just crossed a thousand subs uh after a year putting real effort into it which is which is a good pace but um right now is the time to go go go but i can't right so i work on it when i can but there's lots of cool stuff there for people who are interested in pro audio video that kind of stuff and so i do that as well when i can i i wish there were two of me i hear you oh my gosh editing takes up i think more time than filming uh so it does we will post all of those we'll have all of the links that we've alluded to including the um Natural Health Protection Association we will have all of those in the description in our sub stack yeah and then um yeah because will doesn't usually post them will doesn't do descriptions we do no yeah but okay we will have great soon soon a i'll do all of it so it doesn't really matter right um this is gonna go uh where where are you guys broadcasting you're on Rumble are you doing uh YouTube are you doing other uh so Will puts it on his official website Iron Wire Daily yeah his official website and then when we get access to it goes on our Substack our Rumble our YouTube yes yeah all right so you're like a real corporate family structure i love it trying cool whatever works yeah great we will have you on again thank you so much for coming on and then giving us this wealth of knowledge and your expertise as usual thank you so much you were one of you're great to talk to yeah this is really fun yeah it was also my mind agreed by a lot of stuff that you brought up i was like whoa you've been up to a lot oh my gosh oh yeah busy boy um i would love to come back on and do the Marxist gaming and i would love to come back on uh and promo the NHPBA when the tour is going on as well yes because that'll be my job then to promote that so i uh i respectfully request two more appearances of course we respectfully absolutely thank you thank you you guys are doing great work yeah then i guess Maycee this is this is where we do our thing okay well thank you guys so much for watching and this has been Holmes Squared.