Will Dove  00:00 I've had the honor over the past two years to interview some of the top scientists, doctors and authors in the world. But I also believe that journalists are an untapped resource. Most of us aren't experts in anything, but because we talk to so many people who are on such a wide variety of subjects, we're often in the best position to see the big picture.   Will Dove  00:21 Ivor Cummins, known online as The Fat Emperor has been telling the truth since 2018. Back then, his focus was mostly on health issues, however in recent years he, like myself, has been exposing the lies of the globalist agenda, from The Great Taking to immigration, from the attack on the family unit to COVID vaccines.   Will Dove  00:45 Ivor joins me today and in the course of this interview, gives the best plain English summary of the globalist's plans I have ever heard. Not just what they are doing, but why, and how all of the smaller pieces such as transgenderism, climate alarmism, food insecurity, rampant immigration and much more serve only to support their ultimate goals. To own and control everything.   Will Dove  01:15 To paraphrase the now infamous World Economic Forum ad, "You will own nothing, and we will be happy."   Will Dove  01:31 Ivor, it's a real pleasure to have you on the show.   Ivor Cummins  01:34 Great to be here, Will. Glad we caught up.   Will Dove  01:36 You know, I've been watching your stuff for years. I'm almost trying to fanboying out here because I finally get into interview Ivor Cummins. And you've put out so much good information. And I think you've been doing podcasts now since September 2018. Yeah, just reams of information, a lot of it on health and you and I have talked about doing an interview at another time to talk about all of that, because just to put everything that people know is wrong. But today, we're going to talk about the globalist's agenda. And I'd like to start with and you've produced a number of videos on this, The Great Taking, and that's really the goal. That's what it's all about for them. Please address that.   Ivor Cummins  02:20 Yeah, fine, Will. Well, yeah, I'm at David Webb or David Rogers Webb, I think it is in Sweden as a kind of a freedom type conference last September, I think it was. And I was speaking there, it was a great event and lots of interviews. But on one of the first night or the second night, David was giving a talk at 10 o'clock, The Great Taking, I didn't know anything about it. I've never heard of the guy. So myself, my wife, we're in there, we're all in the room. And he got all, I went in a few minutes, I was transfixed. Because David clearly at first, I thought it sounded a bit conspiracy theory -ish, kind of. And then I saw he kept showing the legal record, and the documents and the steps since the 1960s. And I realized that in a few minutes, this is huge.   Ivor Cummins  03:09 And just for the audience, a really brief summary. So back in the 60s and 70s, this was set in motion. And he made the point that this is from the US State Department, this is from the top in the US and the bit of intelligence, etc. So it's not coming from Putin or the Chinese, this is from the top. And basically what they did was first, they change from paper records of deeds, and stocks. We used to have securities that you had the deed for your house, you had the stock certificates, and they were simply changing it to being electronic, which is a reasonable idea. But it did break the link, it was an early step, it broke the link without you actually having possession of deeds and stock certificates, which puts you as the real owner. So went electronic and they did it state by state as they move through this plan of The Great Taking. They never went to federal because that would have gotten a lot of eyeballs on it. May would have got Supreme Court involved with the ownership rights stuff.   Ivor Cummins  04:16 So state by state, using the commercial code, various segments of law, they slowly and inexorably moved that by I think the late 90s or coming up to 2000, they had done a series of legal steps, all 50 states and by all of their changes, it ended up that you had a claim on your securities. So for the first time in 400 years, several 100 years, you really own them. No one could take them off of you. If you had stocks with a broker and the broker went bust, well, that was fine. You just say, "Okay, sorry to hear that. But I just want my stocks moved to this other broker."   Ivor Cummins  05:02 But that was all gone by the late 90s, because now they had legally constructed it, that there were secured creditors. And essentially, what's happened is the derivatives market that people will probably have heard off is a countless trillions in derivatives markets and futures market. And now essentially all of our stocks and our bonds and all the things we think of as our securities, even when we sign open a broker, and we say we don't want them pooled, it doesn't matter. At the highest level, they are pooled, all our securities are pooled, and they're all managed and played on the derivatives market. So if there's a mega crash, and in fairness, only if there's a mega crash, and the derivatives market implodes, say, JP Morgan, and some of the top banks will have the first line on those securities. And the owner, who used to be the owner now called the beneficial owner, which sounds good, but it's changed, you don't actually have a full claim anymore. You are kind of a creditor, that when the big banks have taken what they need, then you have a claim on a proportion of those securities. And the fascinating thing is, well, no one really knows this. And David made the point that even top financial guys and guys worth a billion and big stock guys, they don't actually know it, it's been a very, very well kept secret. And the last thing I'll say about that is you might think, "Well, okay, the US did that. But what about the rest of the West?"   Ivor Cummins  06:46 And around 2000, the US State Department and officials got involved throughout Europe and said, "You know guys, you need to set up these structures because of the world derivatives market is so huge. And we've done this, and you need to do the same." And of course, Europe, those useful idiot politician said, "Oh, and but how do we do that?" And all the documents are there. And even the original letters where Europe asked America, tell us how you did it. And they told them. So Europe between 2000-2015 approximately, got all countries changed over to the system I described. And the last hangers on where I think Sweden and possibly Finland had some kind of constitutional thing that you couldn't actually do this. People are forced act to own their securities, and 15, 16, maybe into 17, they changed the laws in those countries. And they marked up the last two countries. So now all countries across the West are all signed up. Same laws, same structures. So theoretically, and a lot of people debate this, Will, if there was an implosion, and they actually tried to do this, there'd be a rebellion like never before, right? So surely they wouldn't do it. But I make the point. They spent 60 or 70 years making sure they could do it. The people who started this are dead. It's literally been handed down. Huge effort over more than a half century to get here. So it's certainly something they may want to do, right?   Will Dove  08:35 Yes. And I think it's very important to point out just who these secured creditors are, because that's the piece of information that tells us that this Great Taking, this move to take everything, all the assets for themselves and leave the rest of us nothing. Well, the secured creditors are the globalists, the ones who are behind all of this, they're the ones who own these big banks, they're the ones who own the giant insurance companies. That's why they've set this up to make sure that when everything collapses, it's all going to end up in their hands. Thus, you will own nothing, and you will be happy, because they will own everything. And that's where they're going with this. And so, it's very important to understand that's their end goal. But now we can start talking about the things that are leading to it because if you don't see those things, in my opinion, as part of that bigger picture, you don't really understand the links between them, the fact that it's all connected. So I think where we need to go from here, it seems maybe like a bit of a left turn but I don't think it is.   Will Dove  09:39 Global warming, and that narrative which is utter bunk. You know it, I know it, my viewers know it, but they keep pushing it and people are buying it. I have talked to young people, people in their late teens who are absolutely convinced they do not have a future, we're all going to be dead in 10 years. And just to give you a bit of a lead in, you and I have both posted that wonderful video by Dr. Peterson with the ice cores, and the chart showing Greenland. And then of course, the narrative is, if the global temperature goes up by two degrees, we're all going to die. And his chart shows that, 4000 years ago, the global temperature was two degrees higher, and for quite a long time before that. So I always laugh at that, because it kind of gives the climate alarmists a bit of a conundrum. They either have to admit that two degrees of warming would actually be good for the planet. Or they have to believe that all life on Earth started 4000 years ago. So, now let's talk about the global warming and add your own investigations into it. And your why, why this theory? Why are they trying so hard to convince people that we're killing the planet?   Ivor Cummins  10:50 Yeah, it's a big question. So essentially, I looked into the climate science, but I also, in fairness, I don't have endless time. I leveraged like Professor Steve Koonin, who was Obama's science advisor, and his probable staff Caltech. And he's an absolute expert, a true expert in atmospheric and climate science and he's a physicist, and a lot more like Judith Curry. So I actually use them to speed up my research. But I also looked at directly at published papers and temperature records. And the sum total offer was in the end, this would give COVID science a run for its money in terms of how bad it is, it is actually farcical. It's that bad. Bosch, if we just kind of internalize that, why? Well, it goes back to the Rockefellers, and the Rockefeller Brothers formed in the 1950s. And they were the richest family in America, and they were desperate on behalf of their father, John D. Rockefeller. He wanted internationalism, no borders, and the elite industrialists to have a full America with no limits, and to help run the world because the politicians, they got a five year cycle. They want to get reelected. They basically truly believed we are the people who should run the world. It's ridiculous to give it to ordinary people or to these politicians they elect, it's farcical. So in fairness, they did believe that. That it was their duty. It sounds terrible, but it's true.   Will Dove  12:29 If I can jump in, I can explain that, that these people are psychopaths. And I've done a fair bit study myself into those sorts of personality disorders, psychopathy, sociopathy, where sociopaths are almost always narcissists. That is they've constructed this elaborate fantasy about their own value in the world. Psychopaths have a god complex. They truly believe, they are better than everyone else. This is why psychiatrists estimate that they make up about 2% of the overall population. But among CEOs, it's more like 20 to 25%. Why? Because, they have no conscience, they'll walk over anybody to get to the top and they genuinely believe they belong there. So when these psychopaths like Schwab, and the rest of them, start these plans to control the world. In their own minds, they're the good guys, because they genuinely believe that we're helpless. We're just infants, and we don't know how to look after ourselves. So they're going to do it.   Ivor Cummins  13:32 Exactly. And that's it, they believe it. And of course, I mean, John D. himself, in one of his minds, there was a strike. And famously, in the incident, he brought in people, and their machine gun. They're striking workers and women and children, I think were hit as well. And it was a massacre. There's a whole bunch of people killed. And after that, the people rebelled against the barons, the oil barons. But then, of course, he hired a PR company, a guy actually who had done PR for the Nazi Germany in the 30s. And he got caught on those big article. So he got the right guy, and the guy told them, You can't lie, because people will know when you lie. And John D. thought, "Oh, my God!" How could is he a psychopath? So how could he not lie? But the PR guy said, "Well, there's another route, you need to buy media." I think he bought Time, Life, and other media. And then he could create the truth because he had media. So that was his way out. And Bill Gates did a very similar thing after he went to the Supreme Court, and we all saw the footage of him nodding, like he's on the spectrum or whatever, he's got problems. But after that, he suddenly was reborn, got the jumpers and got the PR in and bought media, etc. So they all do it. But back to the question.   Ivor Cummins  14:56 Yeah, sociopaths, absolutely. But they figure they're going to have to run the world. So they set up the Harvard kind of review I think it was called, they brought in Kissinger, because of course, the sociopaths identify other sociopaths who will be capable to deliver and execute the program. And when they had Kissinger in, they had this big Harvard get together, and they're bringing in top people from around the world, funded by Ford Foundation, of course, Rockefeller Foundation, and it turned out later CIA funded it. And people might say, "Oh, how come they're involved so early?" Well, the CIA have to be very involved in anything that's going towards a future global government with a heavy American presence, because that's their job. So of course, they were funding it.   Ivor Cummins  15:02 But long story short, everyone knows Kissinger, the warmonger. And what he did over the following decades for Rockefeller, he's a huge figure. But they identify Klaus Schwab in 1972. They helped him set up the European management Forum, which in 1980s, became the World Economic Forum. But there's all these groups that Rockefeller funded and helped set up. David Rockefeller was the director of -- there's the Club of Rome in around late 60s was set up. And that's the ultra rich guys, kind of climate catastrophe club. So we get back to climate and there's the UN basically, that was heavily Rockefeller influenced. They got their guy, Maurice Strong, who worked in the oil industry for Rockefeller. And they got him put in the UN, I believe, as a security kind of manager. And within a year or two, he was up at the top of the UN panel on climate change, right?   Ivor Cummins  16:47 So you could go on all day, the Trilateral Commission, all the top brass are in it, the Presidents and Prime Ministers. So they have all these groups set up. And that's when people wonder, but is it really all connected together? Is it really one thing like you said? Well, it is but it's corporatized. It's syndicated. It's a whole load of groups, NGOs, activist groups, but yes, there is a master plan. And the master plan is, as Kissinger said himself in 2009. And people say it's a conspiracy theory to say New World Order. Kissinger did a huge article in The New York Times as such that titled something like, "It is now time for a new world order." None of this is conspiracy theory. It's just they've spent decades, lifetimes, steadily moving towards a world government which they intend, by the way, and it's documented to be a greatly expanded UN.   Ivor Cummins  17:47 So that's why the agenda 2030 goals from the UN are all of this nonsense, because the UN is seen as the future world government. And the WHO will cover all the health and passports and vaccines and limitations on your freedom. So I'm trying to paint the picture. It's beautifully done, I'll have to say credit to the sociopaths. And people actually find it hard to believe because it's so big. The average human nowadays, just can't believe it's that big and organized.   Ivor Cummins  18:19 Now, I had 30 years in corporate, we did a lot of shenanigans, not as high as this in terms of level. But I just recognize that when they see it, it's a corporate structure. And we know the World Economic Forum. Basically all the corporations are funding members. And the stakeholders are the top brass in the World Economic Forum, Larry Fink from Black Rock. I mean, Sberbank is in there, the Russian bank, the little guy, I forgot his name from China, who runs the Alibaba. And it's a who's who of top people -- and includes China and include Russians. And the Bank of International Settlements sits in there as a key stakeholder. That's the Central Bank, the bank of banks for the world.   Ivor Cummins  19:06 So like, you could go on all day with this, I'm going to have to stop it. But the climate just to finish on your question. Rockefeller Brothers formed, identified in the 50s climate catastrophe as one of the most potentially useful tools to be a global issue that they could use problem reaction solution to move towards global government. They also identified pandemics - global pandemics would be very useful. The third thing was global terrorism. Now they've done a lot of that and they've you know, the Patriot Act and all the other stuff, so they got good ground out of that, but not a huge amount. And the fourth one was financial crises, so they're the four global issues, they have to be global.   Ivor Cummins  20:03 They don't care if you don't - 50,000 tonnes of oil over in Africa and destroy mainland. They don't care about the environment. Obviously, they're industrialists, but they do want global issues that require global solutions, that will require the people to give up their freedom or to give up agency global problems. And climate is the ultimate one. Because of pandemic kicking in, you can get a lot done when a pandemic like COVID, you can get vaccine passports and QR codes, track and trace, lock downs, move a ton of money, like 10 trillion, from the ordinary people to the richest 0.001%. So you can do a lot with a pandemic, and they did. But climate, imagine how much you can do. If all the poor sheep actually let you take away their cars, take away their vehicles, take away their meat. Imagine what you can do with a nonsensical, made up climate crisis. And that's why they're all over.   Will Dove  21:07 Yes, and I agree completely. And I think you've done a great job of tying the two things together, just where I was gonna go next was with the COVID narrative. And what these two things have in common, is, if we look at history of any country, especially totalitarian countries. Actually that doesn't really matter. Democratic countries like the US have done this as well. If you want to galvanize the people, so that you can control them, get them all moving in the same direction, give them a common enemy. So what they've done with global warming, with the "pandemics", is they've given the world a common enemy. Well, this is affecting all of us. So it has nothing to do with national borders. And so that becomes very much -- that control agenda. And as you said, we're talking about the people who are -- they already own 90% of everything -- but they want to own 100% of everything. So that they can control it all. And so this, the other global warming, the COVID narrative, it's all a method of control, to get people to voluntarily give up rights, give up assets, and just hand it over.   Will Dove  22:17 And that's where we started out this discussion with The Great Taking, and the security creditors, and the fact -- I think I should back up just a little bit, for people who haven't seen The Great Taking, they should, if they haven't seen it, but Webb gave a fantastic analogy in there where he talked about imagining a car salesman, a car lot, and they're selling these cars. And you think, that car belongs to you. But natural fact behind the scenes, that car dealership has been using those cars once they've already sold as a securable asset. So when it all collapses, the secured creditor, the one who gets first position comes along and they take your car. Doesn't matter if you paid for it. Doesn't matter if you've got free tire, they're gonna take your truck, because that's legal. That's the craziest thing. It's legal. Right.   Will Dove  23:06 So, let's move on to some more details of the COVID narrative, and how that is once again, a control agenda. You know, the facts. I know the fact. My viewers know the facts. You know, we were very fortunate here in Canada to have two fantastic researchers, Joseph Hickey and Danny Rand Corp, who did the research that proved that nowhere in the world did COVID result in any extra deaths. Any extra deaths were the result of governments putting vulnerable people together in the same place. As Dr. John stated way back in 2021, it's a minor flu. You and I discussed off-camera, some of the other things that are happening to contribute to the elderly death rate. But it was still an incredibly effective means of control.   Ivor Cummins  23:58 It was extraordinary. And I said people in April, I was willing to believe it was stupidity. After the lockdowns, I was willing to believe it was mainly stupidity. And it was just another swine flu scam that was being gained opportunistically by the usual suspects and pharma, revolving door with FDA and influence was coming to bear. And then sadly, during April, people began to send me stuff about the World Economic Forum. Someone sent me stuff and I checked it out that the common pass had sprung up as a Rockefeller funded and Microsoft company in mid 2019. And it was looking at global health passports. Go figure.   Ivor Cummins  24:52 And if you look at Google Search trail in mid 19, the searches for common pass shuttled and then it went quiet. And then around February 2020, it began to go right up again. And you know where most of the searches were, Geneva in Switzerland and America, the belly of the beast. So I began to realize, "Oh, this was much bigger than swine flu." And then it became clear that the media, in swine flu, the media actually collapsed that nonsense, because they began to question things. And as soon as you question something in the media, it just begins to fall apart. But this time, I looked around and said, all the media are in lockstep.   Ivor Cummins  25:36 And then I found out about 2019 in New York, Bill Gates, famous event to a warm with ex-CIA people and media people. And they spent several days in a massive bash, talking about what if there was a Coronavirus pandemic, sometime in the future? This is October 2019. And it came along in January, the following year. But they didn't talk about health at all. What do they talk about? Control of information, misinformation, lockstep. So I could go on all day, but I realized in April going into May, okay, this is a completely orchestrated event. And that's where we are.   Ivor Cummins  26:21 But you know, I'll just mention one quick thing on the climate just as we go closer, because it's really good. The Club of Rome, that Rockefeller saddle belong with all the other stuff to get towards where we are now. The Club of Rome put out a book, I think it's 1971 or 1972, and that was the new something revolution. And the colors on it were straight from Lenin and Trotsky, National Socialists Germany, it was all red and black. And in there, they talked all about the future problems with overpopulation, environmental damage and global warming, of course, but in there, and I have a page from a fella slide that I often show. It is their words. They said that while searching for something, a global problem that could unite us all, now that the wars are over, something that can bring us together, or globalism, and we hit upon at climate, catastrophe or disaster, that kind of thing.   Ivor Cummins  27:30 And there are words for that would fit the Bill, for what we needed. So there was nothing about climate that they said that would fit the Bill and people for that phrase, if you're not familiar, it just means you found something that fits your purpose for something completely different. So they wanted globalism and control. And they said climate change would fit the Bill. And then in the last paragraph following that, it's storming they actually wrote it didn't just say it, they wrote it. There's a long winded paragraph, and it ends basically, that the enemy now is humanity itself. They said it. So climate change will fit the Bill for our separate purposes and our story will be that the enemy now is humanity itself. And that was 1971 or 1972. And then all the climate, Rio de Janeiro, UN, all the climate stuff over the next 10 or 20 years, was being hyper funded, activist groups were being funded. And that's the only reason young people nowadays believe what you mentioned earlier, Will, it's because it's been funded for a half century with a lot of money and lot of scientists.   Will Dove  28:51 Yes. And sidestepping the useful idiots in science who actually believe it. And then we've got ones who are just pursuing funding, so they go along with the narrative, we can both safely say that the people who are instigating all this are well aware, it's total BS. They know it's not happening. And in fact, they certainly know what we know, for example, that increasing global temperatures through CO2 emissions is actually a scientific impossibility. Can't be done. But that brings us and you made allusion to this to the depopulation, which is part of their agenda. Because, we've got and I'm going to tie a couple things together here, we've got the mRNA injections, which we know have sterilized a lot of people unfortunately, 20 years before we know how many people but I myself know a number of young people who are almost certainly sterilized now, from things they've told me.   Will Dove  29:45 And then we get this message of the planet's dying and we're using too many resources and there's too many people. So the ones that are left, well, how many of them are going to choose not to have children? And it's, I think this shows their long game. I mean, they've stated some of them but outright stated they want to kill off 90% of the population. But they can't do that right away, because the infrastructure would collapse. And if the infrastructure collapses, well, who's going to supply them with private jets, cocaine and others? They can't do it that fast. So what they're doing and you've made reference to this yourself, this is a long game. They've been up this, your first reference to the 1950s. But hell, we can go back 300 years to Germany and the first private Central Bank, and the formation of fractional reserve banking. That was the ancestors of these people. They're doing this now. So they have no problems playing a long game. And so what they're doing, in part through the depopulation agenda is it's just sterilize a whole bunch of people, and wait a generation or two. But that's, the surface, that's what they're doing. What I'd like to ask you is, in your opinion, why is it so important for them to depopulate?   Ivor Cummins  30:59 Yeah, I think it's one of those things that it goes with the turf, as we say, in Ireland. So you mentioned earlier, the sociopaths, they believe that they are the ones under fantastic. So they all believe their own goal. But it's like, population getting too big and too many ants in the ant farm. It's like almost just part of their religion. You see it all the way through, all the organizations, populations too big. They're worried about the resources of the planet, because they see those as theirs. And the ants are wasting them. I mean, I said during COVID, for those Dartmouth WEF, can you imagine how horrifying it is to Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab or any of these socios that actual plumbers and electricians in the last 30 or 40 years are going twice here to the sides of Spain, on jet airplanes using their fuel? Right? That's probably a finite resource.   Ivor Cummins  32:06 So I think it's just this fundamental belief they have that the useless eaters and the ants in the ant farm, are using up all the resources and are completely out of control and not being managed properly by managers like them. And it disgusts them. So getting a smaller population is always going to be a natural feeling that they have. And we've seen a true older organizations over the past 50 years -- planned parenthood, the push for abortion, you mentioned in Canada, that kind of "right to die" laws  that came in.   Ivor Cummins  32:45 And now, there's 60,000 people a year, offing themselves, but like, do you know what I mean? It just goes with that mentality. It's part and parcel of the mentality, make an ant farm, have everyone tracked and traced, get the numbers of the ants down in a controlled fashion. You're not going to go and kill loads of them because that just won't work. And that might be a rebellion. So, just create a world actually where people don't want to have children. You mentioned that whatever about sterilization, create a world where no one really wants to have children. Create a social contagion, where men can be women and women can be men, and having a family with a strong father, and a capable mother, and the family unit. All of that is stupid. That's so last decade. There's so many ways - you can just tail off the population and let it decline.   Ivor Cummins  33:45 And I agree, I don't think they need to rush it, because they know there's plenty of oil. And there'll be plenty of time to just have the population tail off in a managed way. Right? Because remember, World Economic Forum for its first 12 years, it was the European Management Forum. And they even have quotes in there and did Bilderberg, which was set up by that Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and his daughter all involved in their climate change nonsense. But they had it written in there, that the management must assume the responsibility for the world and all of its resources, and our vision is that we will have to develop and define the purposes of humanity. This is the kind of stuff they talk about, and they want a complete change to a new world order, including all aspects - spiritual, financial, governmental, but they included spiritual and societal. They want the lot. They want an ant farm, and they want to manage the ant farm and I guess that's why most sociopaths and psychopaths would always want complete control.   Will Dove  35:06 Absolutely. And I think you're bang on there, Ivor, because I'm sure they know the science behind population, too. For anybody who's doubting it, the world is not overpopulated. Every educated estimate I've ever read says we can support 17 billion people with no problem. But we'll never get there. There was a fantastic book published here in Canada in 2019. It's called Empty Planet. The two Canadian researchers have looked at it. Well, they took, first of all, they debunked what had been predicted, when the WHO and other organizations said, by the end of the century, we're gonna have 11 billion people. And all they did was they just projected the curve forward. So what these guys did, they were smart about it, they said, "In order to even maintain a population, you have to have 2.1 children born for every woman." Point one because some people don't reproduce. And so they've looked at the reproduction rates around the world, and identified a small number of places in Africa and India, that still had reproduction rates higher than 2.1. In the US, it was 1.6. In Canada, it's 1.3.   Will Dove  36:11 Why does that happen? Well, it happens, because in order to have that larger population, you have to have a technologically advanced society, you have to have ways of moving information and food and resources around in order to support that large population. And if you have that kind of society, that kind of technology, now you have equality for women. And women can go to work just as men can, they have the same kind of jobs, the same kind of income. And as soon as they get education, affluence, mysteriously decide to stop being baby factories, right? And so itself, correct it even go up to a certain point, they predicted the block is around about 2050, we'd hit about 9 billion, and it was starting to go down. Now with everything that's happened, it's gonna start going down sooner than that. But you're absolutely right. They know this. That's got nothing to do with it. That's my stuff. And you can't have it, you useless eaters. And so they want to wipe as many of us out. They only want enough left to produce what they want and what they need. Right? And so, that's where that comes in. But you also alluded to something else that's really important. The social, spiritual aspects of this, and the attack upon the family unit. You know, you're a dad, I'm a dad, we've got very traditional nuclear families. So why? Why do you think they're out to destroy the family?   Ivor Cummins  37:39 Yeah. Again, it's inextricably linked. It's part and parcel of the whole thing, and it's the same as a few minutes ago. If you're going to have an ant farm, track and trace, control, and own nothing, you'll be happy and do all that stuff. A crucial art of laying the ground for that is to greatly weaken society. And there is no better way to weaken society than to undermine the family unit, and to create division between people. So all of the other crazy stuff that's going on, that's not quite really listed on the 2030 goals, say, agenda 2030. It's filler. Mass migration. It generates division, and it dilutes nationalist and kind of sovereign strength in the country.   Ivor Cummins  38:42 And again, nothing against migrants or even economic migrants or even illegal migrants. They're not the problem. They're just being used. Right? They're just being exploited actually, so we should feel sorry for them. But the globalists know that if you flood the zone in various nationalist countries like Sweden, where they've got a lot of culture and they look a certain way, and Ireland geog, you know, leprechauns and red hair, and they're very Irish. If you have all these different countries with different cultures, family values, they're essentially strong. The strength in diversity is to have loads of different countries that retain their cultures. And then you can go to those countries and visit and see that. That's diversity and maybe worked there for a year and go somewhere else. That diversity is the differences between all the countries.   Ivor Cummins  39:37 But the guys are all talking about diversity and inclusion, the globalists, they're destroying diversity. They have a clear, compelling strategy to have all the countries blurred into a blob. Take away the family unit, take away the certainties, take away the national, take away the sense of history, and customs, take it all away, and leave everyone just with a phone and a laptop, and just ants. So I think all that stuff, the mass migration, all the sex stuff, the trans, humans have certainties there's open down male and female, black and white, there's a few core certainties. Imagine they're trying to take away male and female, as a base certainty that everyone can agree on. They're actually trying to take that away, as well. So that's where that big basket of stuff that doesn't seem to directly link in to The Great Taking or directly linking to vaccine passports. But it does. All of these place are undermine society and weaken society because that will be hugely enabling for all your other strategies that are more concrete and visible. It's a great enabler, I think. That's it.   Will Dove  41:07 Yeah. I think once again, you're absolutely bang on, Ivor. Dissolved the family unit so that there is no authority, but the state does attack just the very foundations of people's identity by going after the most basic thing - your gender. Scare the hell out of kids by convincing them that global warming can kill us all? And what you've produced is a whole generation who is willing to sit there, staring at their phones, to be programmed by the state. Yes, to be good little ants. Exactly what you actually said.   Will Dove  41:44 But, you also said something that's triggered a new question for me. Here in Canada, we have a lot. It's hitting the news a lot lately, the rapid immigration, we get a population of 40 million people. And Trudeau is now at the point where he wants to bring on half a million people a year. And that doesn't count the 800,000 student visas that are given out every year, many of those people never leave. But, we have a lot of room. You're in Ireland, you're in the UK. You guys have a similar problem and you do not have a lot of room. Now, as you've said, the immigrants themselves, they're not the problem. They're a tool. They're being weaponized. But what's the point? What are they after with the globalists with this weapon of immigration of moving people around? Why are they doing that?   Ivor Cummins  42:30 Yeah, and actually, this is a great one I learned last year from Dr. Jacob Nordangard. And I give his talk and different flavors many times, he mentioned, but didn't go into detail because it's supposedly a conspiracy theory. When I looked it up on Wikipedia, it's the Clergy Plan. So, count Clergy, I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. In the 1920s, there was a Paneuropean Union  and the Pan-European Movement. And that was baby globalism at the time, they wanted all Europe to be a super state. And of course, these various characters did link up with the Rockefeller master plan later.   Ivor Cummins  43:11 But back in the 1920s, they had a direct strategy, which was documented to bring in very different people from Africa or Islamic countries or wherever they weren't focused on just moving Eastern Europeans over to Ireland or, I mean, that's just normal migration. And they're all kinds of European. They wanted very different people, very different looking, very different customs. And that was the Clergy Pan 1920s. And all we're seeing now because it was a great strategy to undermine national and sovereign identity and to get what they wanted, which was the European superstate. That was their goal. And they realized if we flawed all the countries with very different people, we'll have those countries over decades much more likely to just join up to a European superstate. Because you won't have Ireland saying, "No, we were Irish.", and Sweden saying, "No, we're Nordic. We're proud." We don't want to give our sovereignty to this European Superstate.   Ivor Cummins  44:24 But if you spend decades flooding their zones with very different people, all of that will begin to just fade away. And that says 100 year old brilliant idea, now being mercilessly rammed down our throats for the last couple of decades, like, just incredibly in Ireland 76% I think in a recent top poll by one of the best poll companies in the country, the data is high, plus or minus 1%. 76% of ordinary people across all the strata said the government needs to slow down on this migration and this needs to be fixed. But the government persisted. Why would the government persist in something in Ireland, which is a small country, four and a half million people? Why would the government ram economic migrants into the country when we already had a homeless problem, a big one. And they're flooding.   Ivor Cummins  45:29 Now there's a hockey stick in the last two years with the Ukraine as the excuse, but the Irish minister, if you asked me breezy he ever gotten the position, he sent out a tweet in East African and Ghana and all these languages, as well as Ukraine and Georgia. And he sent out a tweet in 10 different languages saying Ireland is open two years ago, and putting down all the money I'll get, and we could get you a house within two months. But he put it all in these languages, but they told the electors all Ukraine, Ukraine women and children. But now they're having to open up new facilities for young male migrants, because that's what we got from all over the world. So these politicians directly against the will of their own people who elected them supposedly, are forcing a strategy that makes zero sense and is overloading the country's infrastructure. Why would they do that? Well, they're doing that because they're being told to do it by the latter-day clergies, WEF, and all the rest of the top, they know Clergy was right, 100 years ago. That's how you do it boys.   Will Dove  46:51 Of course, because once the number of immigrants in a country exceeds the number of people who grew up there, were born there - second and third generation there, that identity is gone. And of course, they're going to be more than happy to sign up with that globalist agenda. Because it's quite likely going to be beneficial to them, they don't have an identity to get, they've got nothing connected to it. So of course, they'll do that. And here's an important addendum to everything, you've just said, they can't slow down. Let's say they stopped for a generation. Okay, that generation that's there, even if it was 50% immigrants a generation ago, well, now what you've got is a whole new generation that were born there, they're going to develop a new identity, a new national identity, but a different than the old one that will be a national identity. And Ireland will be different than England. It will be different than Scotland. It will be different than Wales. And it's gonna have its own identity. So they can't stop, they have to keep moving people around. And they have to accelerate it until they get to that point where the immigrants outnumber the people who were born there, the natives. And at that point in time, there's no barrier to the populace. As you said, we want to sign on with the global government. We got nothing invested here. It's not our identity, we don't care.   Will Dove  48:07 So promised us something that's beneficial to us, and sure we're in. So I think we've covered just about everything. I'm going to ask for a few more minutes of your time, because it's something that you're actually closer to than I am in what you've been seeing going on over in Europe, to an extent in the UK, less so in Canada, they're trying but we've got so much land here, compared to the populace, it's a lot harder to pull off the attack upon the food and energy supply. Why are they doing that?   Ivor Cummins  48:41 Yeah, that piece just clicks in with a resounding buying, of course, into all of this. So you need to take away the nationality, the sovereignty, and all the stuff that just goes to. You need to track and trace. You need to take away freedom of speech. All of that's just a no brainer for the clear and present strategies that they're running at very simple and self evident. Energy, kind of independence, local food, and energy independence is a big problem if things get sticky for them at some point down the line. It's a really key danger or headwind that could undermine things as they roll out over the coming years.   Ivor Cummins  49:28 So if I were doing what they're doing, there is no question I would have teams working on undermining local energy infrastructure and local healthy food supplies. It's just a no brainer. So you want to replace the food supply with junk. I mean, that's why they have all these fake meat factories and all this nonsense they're doing. They've already got the population fat, sick and stupid with the last 50 years of junk food, but that was mainly driven by commercial interests. In fairness, there is no conspiracy as such. But the pharmaceutical industry, their best bodies have made an absolute killing on the sickness in the population, like antihypertensive statins, all the drugs that they make the big money on, are based on chronic disease caused by industrial ultra-processed food.   Ivor Cummins  50:26 So absolutely, they want to replace the local healthy food and local independent source food, robust local food with international mega shipped, processed and ultra-processed food from their corporate bodies. And then their pharmaceutical bodies will reap all the rewards from all the more disease that comes out of that. And that energy, similar, slightly different but energy, you don't want countries with their own sources of energy for heat and transport. That's all independence, do you know what I mean?  You want dependence, absolute dependence. So in an ideal structure, you would switch everything to electricity, electric cars, especially, and then you pipe the electricity in. But if someone in the future is causing trouble, well, then maybe their electricity will work. So you can imagine the power if you pardon the pun of having centralized power that you can kind of turn off based on some nonsense ruse or some issue. But I mean, if people are storing couple of 1000 litres of diesel like I keep on that place, I have downside. Even if there's a fuel prices for a while, you can still be mobile, you can meet, you can visit people, you can have meetings. You're independent. So, it's all like that.   Will Dove  51:55 No, they do not bring ease. Once again, you're exactly right. It is a control mechanism. And it's also a globalization mechanism. Because as you say, they have to take away the country's independence. Now they are dependent upon that globalized structure, and that's one more barrier removed to them becoming part of that one world government. And I wanted to just get back to the food. And I'm maybe I'm just giving a little bit of a tip off to what our next interview is going to be about. Because you and I are both diet and fitness. Absolute nuts. We've been studying this stuff our whole lives. You've written a book on the subject.   Will Dove  52:32 But here's an observation about that. Industrialized manufactured food you were talking about? Yeah, I'm 59. When I was young, my parents were poor. And we ate all natural foods that my mother cooked every day. Why? Because that was cheapest. It costs more to take the family to McDonald's, than it did to cook a whole foods meal at home. But now it's the other way around. They've made these manufactured foods so cheap, because of the volumes they're manufacturing them in. It's actually cheaper for people to feed themselves and their families with those manufactured foods. And you made a very good point. What causes everybody to have fat, sick, and weak? It's the diet. It's this crap that they're eating. That, by the way, Bill Gates owns a huge percentage of, as he does, and isn't it interesting that Bill Gates, who is one of the largest owners of manufactured food industries in the world, is also the guy behind mRNA vaccines and funding Big Pharma?   Ivor Cummins  53:43 I know. It's still so self evident. I mean, back during COVID, I told people many, many times. It's been a whole year of this oltre nonsense now. And several times a day early on, I had to pinch myself that it was actually happening. It was so stupid to me, just looking at basic mortality data. It was just so ridiculous. I just had to pinch myself a few times a day I said, "This cannot be happening. It's too absurd." My subconscious was giving me a warning, which happens to be you know, I scan my subconscious and it tells you to be careful, Ivor, you could be in the confirmation bias. And or it could say, "Be careful. Are you sure you're right about this?" You know, that kind of thing? I'm always getting these moments where I'd say, "Ivor, are you sure this is really going on?" You know, it's a warning. And then within a nanosecond, I'd say, "No, it is." That went on, Will, for over a year. Now usually when you have to pinch yourself, it's something that after a few days you accept that it's real. This was so crazy, and so absurd. It stayed with me for a year, moments of unreality washing over me thinking this is actually happening. Bullsh, sorry. I don't know how that was raised your question, your final question was.   Will Dove  55:09 Well, it wasn't actually a question. It was just an infinite after open comment. So I am going to ask you my final question now. You have been following all of this stuff now for years longer than I have. You've talked to a lot of experts. You've given us I think, one of the best summaries of the overall globalist agenda that I've ever gotten from anyone. Thank you so much for that. Final thoughts for our viewers to take away from this?   Ivor Cummins  55:37 Right. Well, a note of hope, because it is grim stuff. And we talked before you started recording, in fairness, Will, and you feel very strongly that we broadly will win. And I agree. I'm a hedge really what my 30 years of corporate background, but I always say it's on the razor's edge. They're racing to cut us off at the pass with hate speech laws, i.e. removed freedom of speech, censorship, misinformation, disinformation, and the world health regulations and the pandemic treaty and all that insane stuff for next year. So they're racing now. And they sense their concern, because of the awakening that COVID, unfortunately for them, calls to occur. So I think we're all racing down the razor's edge. And it's all to play for for anyone listening.   Ivor Cummins  56:34 It's not a done deal. It's not a guarantee. But then again, it's a war. It's third generation warfare. It's a war, baby. You can't expect it to be easy. But I think, we're racing down the next few years. So it's going to be fireworks. I personally feel we're going to win or at least win enough that they don't really get what they want. It might end up nuanced. It's not a clear win. And they all got thrown in maximum security penitentiaries, maybe not. But if they have to back off, and if the currents change against them, and they have to back off on their nonsense, I consider that a win. And I think it's all to play for.   Will Dove  57:17 Yeah. And I agree. Ivor, thank you so much for your time today. And for all the excellent work that you've been doing over the past several years to expose the truth. Please keep it up.   Ivor Cummins  57:28 Yup, thank you, Will. Great job there yourself. And we'll come back in a couple of weeks with all the health stuff.   Will Dove  57:36 Yes, looking forward to it.