Will Dove  00:00 In recent years our police and military have been castrated by woke ideologies. Hiring and recruitment policies that place people in positions of responsibility and authority because of their gender, or the color of their skin, or their identity.   Will Dove  00:17 Donald Best served as police officer and a detective in the Ontario Provincial Police for 15 years, primarily investigating corruption within the force itself. After his retirement he spent decades as a private detective. Once again, investigating corruption.   Will Dove  00:36 He’s been injured in the line of duty. He’s buried friends who were killed in the line of duty. He’s put his family and his reputation on the line standing up for what is right, and he continues to do so at his website, DonaldBest.ca, where he now works as an independent journalist.   Will Dove  00:56 Donald has some very clear thoughts on where we went wrong, on how we allow all of this to happen in a country that used to be respected around the world for justice and the rule of law, and what it comes down to is that the very people who allowed this to happen us must stand up for what is right. It is up to us to fix it we can, and together we will.   Will Dove  01:32 Donald, it's a pleasure to have you back on the show.   Donald Best  01:35 Great to be back. And so much has happened since we last spoke.   Will Dove  01:39 Yes, and today, we're here to discuss how we fix our police and I think, by corollary, our military, which is in the same pickle. However, you served for many years as a police officer, a detective in Ontario. So just to establish credentials, please tell us how long you were police officer and a detective.   Donald Best  01:58 Sure, I was with the Ontario police from 1975 to 1990. During that time, I rose through the ranks. I was at the end of Sergeant detective. Much of my work was undercover, dealing with corruption in the police, in the judicial system and the political system. And yes, I did arrest some police officers and maybe a judge or two, and maybe a politician or two. So, in 1990 I left the police force, family situation, found myself with three children and an old wife, and you cannot work shifts trying to raise three coming into teenager kids.   Donald Best  02:45 So, I started a detective agency doing basically the same thing. Fraud Investigations was big on that, and when the children became young adults and went off on their own, I found myself traveling the world, doing the same thing as I did as an undercover police officer, working multi-million-dollar frauds, corruption. I worked in Asia, Central, South America, uh, sorry, not South America, but Central America and Mexico, and throughout Asia. And that's how I made my living.   Donald Best  03:23 So, I have a total of over 45 years coming up now, 50 years in law enforcement, in intelligence operations and in legal case management, working with legal cases, law firms all over the world. And so that's my background. And twice I've been before or my cases have been before the Supreme Court of Canada. And each time my evidence, it was my evidence, my case, my organization won once, been lost once.   Will Dove  04:00 Actually, that's pretty good, Donald. The way things are going these days said to be a 50/50 in the courts. Now, I'm sure all of your experience will come into play today, but of course, we are here to discuss the shambles that has become of our police forces, by corollary, of our military. And I want to start off by picking on something that's a bit of a pet peeve of mine, and that is women who are in police forces and military who should not be.   Will Dove  04:29 Now, I'm not suggesting that there aren't women who should be. I think there probably are, but where I'm seeing the problem is, and I even knew one at the gym years ago. Very nice lady, five foot six, 120 pounds, soaking wet. She was a marathon runner. She spent six years as a street cop. But police do get into scuffles on a fairly regular basis with perps. These women, they're not equipped to handle that, and to me, it seems like not only a danger to them, but possibly a danger to the public, a danger to other officers. What are your thoughts on that?   Donald Best  05:12 So, one of my last positions with the trial police, when I was working for one of the deputy chiefs, was as the staff investigator to the Ontario Association of Chiefs of the police, and in that capacity, I traveled North America speaking with high-ranking chiefs and deputy chiefs throughout North America, Mexico, USA, Canada. And one of the big topics of conversation was what's now called diversity and issues, which included multicultural factors, that included women in policing, racial factors, all the rest of that, and that was just starting to be of concern, and I say of concern to the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police, because they were facing calls, political calls, to rapidly transform the policing organizations through lateral injections of diversity hires, women and other diversity hires.   Donald Best  06:30 And what that means is to give supervisory positions to - first of all, to hire more people based on their race or sex or their culture, and to increase the numbers of people. And there was concern that there was a call for lowering of standards, which, of course, wasn't called that. It was called modifying of standards to reflect different cultural values and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then there was that.   Donald Best  07:06 And then there was also the fact that by hiring some of these diversity initiatives, or the multicultural hires that they used to be called, is that we were seeing performance issues, safety issues, we were seeing cultural issues, even back then, and I'm talking the 1980s when we first started seeing this. We were seeing cultural issues in policing, where persons who had come to Canada as newcomers, but not as children, but as adults, and at 25 years old, they immigrated to Canada, and at 27 or 26 or 30, they applied to become police officer, and they were almost instantly accepted. The standards were lowered, and that was done with the hope that people would fit in, because we needed these, because we had to have our police service reflect the community. And you know what? That's not bad. That's fine.   Donald Best  08:16 But the concern when I was sent all over North America to research this whole issue, the cons, which was in the late 1980s. The concern was that there was political pressure to lower standards, to include people who shouldn't be police officers. So, this concern has been around for a long time. But it's also true that the political machine who chose chiefs of police in Toronto chose candidates and chiefs of police who supported this radical transformation of society and policing, who were ideologically committed to this radical new theory of policing, which placed color of skin over competence.   Will Dove  09:20 But Donald, I got to ask, what is their rationalization? None of us would argue that somebody who's not white or whatever could certainly serve as a police officer. It's got nothing to do with the color of their skin. It's got everything to do with their ability to do the job, and this is why I started out by admittedly picking on women in the police force. I've known a number of female police officers who were five foot three, five foot four.   Will Dove  09:51 There was a couple of incidents out in Ontario, I think, just last, back in May, where two female police officers were injured when they were assaulted by men. They weren't big enough to defend themselves.   Donald Best  10:05 Oh, this has been happening for decades. So, there's really two issues here. There’re physical standards, which is what you're talking about. Physical standards the ability to take a punch and deliver a punch. Because, believe you and me, when you're walking at those back alleys, as much as we like to think that policing is all about intelligence and Community Relations, everything, there's a certain point, ladies and gentlemen, where that criminal is either coming with you or he's not, and you better be able to make them come with you.   Will Dove  10:41 Yes.   Donald Best  10:42 Now I was always a big boy, never this big, but I was always a big boy and capable of handling myself. And I've had taken punches that have put me down. I've had a broken knee in a fight all on my own. I still took him down. I didn't know my knee was broken until afterwards because of the adrenaline, you know. And I've been there with constable Harry Steadman’s body in an ambulance after he was shot to death with his own pistol, and we all pretended he was alive, and we put him in the ambulance.   Donald Best  11:28 So, I've been there, but I've also been there and seen cowards. I've worked with cowards. I've worked with men who sat there where there was a knife call two blocks away, and they said, no, we have to fill out our memo book before we go. And he's sitting in the driver's seat and I'm a junior, about five weeks on the job, and he was a coward. Cowardice is different than lack of physical capability. I want to make that clear too.   Will Dove  12:04 Very much so.   Donald Best  12:05 I've worked with cowards. I've worked with people who have been good police officers in the role they are in, but I would not want them beside me in a fight. No way. I was once stopped on the street by Citytv, and they thought they were going to get a different answer than they got. I was watching the beat uniform with my partner on Yonge Street, and they came up, and at that time, they were changing the rules to allow Sikhs wear their turbans.   Donald Best  12:38 I might have a different answer now. I think I probably would, but here's what I said. I said for 100 years, Sikhs have been fighting and dying beside Canadian boys in all sorts of wars, and they wore their turbans. So, I don't have a problem with a Sikh wearing a turban here and being my partner on Yonge Street. As a matter of fact, I want that man for my partner, because if he has enough courage and what it takes to survive the back alleys, because they don't want him in wearing a turban, then he's one tough SOB, and I want that guy for my partner, and that's what I said. And so, it's about capability in one way.   Will Dove  13:32 I think you make a very good point, if I may interject, because I have been, yes, picking on women, but mostly as an example, as an introduction to a much longer discussion. I wouldn’t question for a second the courage of these women to be the size they are and to put on a uniform and go to put themselves in arms away.   Donald Best  13:51 I would.   Will Dove  13:52 Well, you have a much more intimate knowledge of this than I do, so please fill me in.   Donald Best  13:58 Okay, look, I've said I've worked with cowards, and I've worked with male cowards who are large, male cowards who are small, and I've worked with some women who are cowards. And I find this, I find that women are naturally smaller than men. Men are different than women. Okay, might be a very radical position these days, but men are smaller or bigger than women normally, normally, and that lead to different capabilities.   Donald Best  14:39 And it's true that smaller people who are not trained have less of a desire to get into a fight, don't know how to handle themselves. Size brings confidence when you're in that back alley. Okay, so the women I have known as police officers, when it came down to the, whether he's going to go with us or not, the women are not effective for two reasons, or less effective. I'll say less effective. Okay? Less effective for two reasons.   Donald Best  15:17 One, size and two, inability to turn on the aggression, and the strength, and the focus on that task when it's needed. So, there's two factors there. There's that women are different than men and women in attitude, in how they think, and that the size, small size, breeds caution, where large size breeds confidence. All training aside, look, I've met women who are five foot nine and absolutely deadly.   Will Dove  15:59 Oh yes, that no question, and neither of us are saying that there aren't women who are physically capable of doing the job. It's just that they're the exception and not the rule.   Donald Best  16:08 They are.   Will Dove  16:10 I studied martial arts for years, karate, black belt. One of my sensei was a woman.   Donald Best  16:15 You’ve seen women who are deadly.   Will Dove  16:10 Yes, one of my sensei was a woman, she's five foot six, she probably weighs 120 pounds, and I would not want to tangle with her, because I'll tell you something, she would kick my ass in seconds, but she's an exception. Most women, the average woman doesn't stand much of a chance against the average man, and we're putting them out there on the streets, not just in their harm's way, but supposedly, to protect the public, which physically, most of them are not capable of doing.   Donald Best  16:51 Not physically, no, and especially when you put two together. Oh, my goodness, the videos that are on YouTube. The videos that are on YouTube, okay? There's another layer that you're missing, and that's how an influx of women into an organization, especially one that requires physical strength and sometimes aggression, how that impacts the organization in terms of hiring effectiveness and promotion. And here's what happens.   Donald Best  17:27 It used to be on the Toronto Police that a young man, usually a young man, would be hired, and you had to pay your dues. You started on the motorcycle, dangerous business on the motorcycle. We'd even ride motorcycles in the winter, in the snow with the side cars, which are even more dangerous than a motorcycle alone, where you walk the beat, and you walk the beat at 20 below zero and you were in the alleys all alone, and it's frightening. Look, courage is not about not being afraid. Courage is about - it's my duty to walk down that alley. I sure hope there's nothing in there, that'll alert me, because it's three o'clock in the morning, and if my sergeant comes around and finds that I haven't shaken every door knob in the back of that alley, and he finds one open, buddy, I'm in trouble.   Donald Best  18:38 I mean, that's the way it was. So, it takes courage to do that. It takes courage to go into a bar fight. It takes courage to try and arrest somebody. That's true, especially these days, but society was different, and I worked with women partners from the time that I was, I guess, about two years on the job. So, I was 23 years old. It took every bit of willpower that I had to not walk over and open the car door or my female partner, because from the time my generation was born, you always stood up when a woman came in the room. You opened the door for a woman, you closed the door, the car door for the woman, you looked after and protected women and you respected them, and that was my generation.   Will Dove  19:45 Yes.   Donald Best  19:46 That's not every generation, and that's not every culture. But because of that, in 1976, when you were called to a bar fight and your partner was a woman, and you walked in there and there were chairs flying, had blood everywhere, and teeth on the floor, the moment a woman walked in, half the guys would look down the chairs and stand there and look down. They're shamed because they've been taught. You respect her, here's a woman. My gosh, we can't fight in front of a woman. Which we certainly can't hit her. So, you'd walk in with a woman and boom, things calmed down anywhere, domestic situation, anywhere, things would calm down.   Donald Best  20:35 Usually, sometimes they didn't. But I'm talking about a societal, more of a way of value, a way of acting that was reflected in how people reacted to a woman cop coming in the door. Well, that's gone. Not only is it gone, we have imported millions of people from societies where women are lesser, where it's mandated in their religious texts that you can beat your wife, and as a matter of fact, you should, because all women require different discipline. We've come from countries where women are bought and sold, where a man will sell his daughter, his eight, nine-year-old daughter to be a wife. Yes, a child. Never sell a son but a daughter? Yeah.   Donald Best  21:34 There’s a one child policy in China, it was only daughters that were left out in the garbage.   Will Dove  21:40 Yeah, I'm going to throw a statistic in there. One which I learned a while back when I was interviewing Yasmine Mohammed, the author of - I'm forgetting the name of the book. Anyway, I interviewed her in her book, and it was about her experiences in Canada. She was forced to marry a radical Islamist, and the abuse was extreme. But here's the statistic I was going to refer to you, because you’re talking about people coming from some of these other countries. In Saudi Arabia, 96% of women report having suffered some kind of sexual abuse.   Will Dove  22:22 Yeah. And so, this leads me, and I'm kind of jumping in. I need to get you to continue in a minute. But you've brought up an important point, because you're right. 1976, I was 11 years old. I was taught the same things you were. If a woman walked into the room, if you were doing something that you should have been doing, you stopped because you were taught to respect them. But now we've got all these immigrants, many of them coming from countries where not only do they not respect women, but they see women as property. And so now we've got the opposite problem, where, okay, now you're a woman who walks into a room and she hasn't diffused the situation, her presence, just her presence, could make it worse.   Donald Best  23:08 And we also have women born in Canada, generational Canadian women who have been taught that men are bad, men are evil, and you can hit them. Many women initiate violence against men. And you know, that didn't really happen before, not like it does now. And so many men, even generational Canadians, are of the opinion that if a woman hit you, well, you should give it back. I was…   Will Dove  23:36 Yeah, I think you and I both have a problem with that.   Donald Best  23:38 We both have a problem with that. Okay? So, there's cultural issues. So, what happens is, in the old days, a woman in uniform on the street, there were times, don't get me wrong, there were times when a woman, smaller woman, didn't have the aggression in size to do the job, but there were many more cops around in those tents. They really were. But now a woman's my partner, unless she's something very, very special, I've got to watch now, watch my back and hers. She's a liability, okay, on the street, in uniform, like that.   Donald Best  24:21 So, what's happening? Same thing has started to happen back in the 80s, women who couldn't make it on the streets, physically doing the job that needs to be done. Well, they were promoted out of the position. They were given all this juicy squad jobs that normally uniform coppers had to wait 8-10 years to get an investigative position, an undercover position, ETF, Emergency Task Force, SWAT, something like that. That was that was the norm. And it still very much is the norm that men have to have far more experience in the uniform role to be promoted or assigned to the juicy positions than women.   Donald Best  25:16 The women do three to four years in uniform, sometimes not even that, they're removed for six months here because somebody needs to help on a project and everything. And the sergeant, the woman go says, oh, good, maybe we can get a guy in to replace her. Nobody talks about that. Now look, women are absolutely necessary in so many roles in policing. They really are, especially in investigations involving children, other women, sexual assaults.   Donald Best  25:51 There's also the issue of women undercover that I've spoken extensively with the Coutts - with the Coutts case, where women undercover officers were inserted by the RCMP. I think they did a horrible job. I think they were unethical. They failed to record things. I think that they lied about a lot of things, but they were inserted in there for a reason, the same reason that I used to use females as undercover partners most successfully is that, men and women are different, and when a good looking girl walks in the room and even smiles, doesn't have to do anything special, just so happy to meet you, guys can just go gaga.   Donald Best  26:45 And the criminal element, really forgets about anything, and they'll tell you anything, as long as there's a woman in the room shaking that thing at them. And I don't mean she has to be overtly like that, although - you know what, I've been in undercover situations where I know that my female undercover partner, she was there playing the role of the squad groupie, a prostitute who serviced us all corrupt police officers. We're pretending to be corrupt police officers. And because organized crime would offer us women, we had to bring it, and we can't take them. I mean, we'll take the money, we'll take the vacations, it's all being logged, but we can't take the women.   Will Dove  27:27 Obviously.   Donald Best  27:28 As much as some of us probably would have. We were 24 years old, okay, but you can't do it.   Will Dove  27:34 Yes, well, you were 24 years old, but you had ethics.   Donald Best  27:39 Yeah, we also had wives who would kill us, and yeah.   Will Dove  27:42 That as well. And before we continue, especially for my female viewers, I want to give a shout out to those female officers who had the courage to go undercover. Can be a very dangerous job and right, that is something that they deserve the utmost respect for doing. So, I want to take a little bit of a different shift. And folks, we're not going to spend too much more time talking about women, because there's lots of other subjects, we need to discuss in our police but I do want to address this Donald, because it's not just that these women are in danger from criminals. There’re also their fellow police officers, the woman that I knew and serving straight for six years and left for dispatch.   Will Dove  28:26 She was a very attractive woman, and she just finally had enough of the harassment. And that's another problem in our police, in our military, if you take attractive women and you put them with a bunch of testosterones fueled young men, there's going to be problems.   Donald Best  28:42 There are dozens and dozens and dozens of women who have been victims of overt, sometimes even sexual assault on the police force, in the military, working at Fort, working at Westinghouse, you know? I mean, it happens everywhere, but the worst of it is when there is a military-like command structure, where senior officers have in positions of authority. There's a power imbalance, and we see this in the allegations against, oh, forgive me, the chap who started Magna auto parts. He's now charged with sexual assault.   Donald Best  29:39 I can't remember his – Stronach, Frank Stronach, okay? And after he was charged, a woman came forward and wrote a great article, and I can't remember where. What she says, I was 18 years old, and I'm paraphrasing and pulling from my memory but I'm pretty sure - I was 18 years old. Yes, it was consensual, but it was so wrong, and the power imbalance and me being a starry eyed 18-year-old, you know, having dinner with this 50-year-old multi-millionaire, and who said I'd be out in college at the auto industry exhibit or whatever. And I didn't even realize what was happening until it happened. Because, you know what, when I was 21 years old, I had a badge and a gun, but boy, was I ever naive.   Will Dove  30:47 Well, that's quite excusable and sort of person in a way that we want to have in our police because if you're that naive, that also means that you have a good moral compass.   Donald Best  30:57 Well, perhaps, but that also means you can be led down some roads you don't want to be let down. That's a double-edged sword. But the bottom line is, are there more or fewer people in policing, in the military, who engage in sexual harassment and even assault of females in the organizations. Is there more now? Are there more now, or was there more before? Does culture have anything to do with it? Our own changing culture, but also the influx of people from cultures who don't have the same respect as we once had as a culture?   Donald Best  31:39 I'm not sure I know the answer to all that right now, but I know that the situation is serious, and it causes many good women to leave the organizations. How do we deal with that? How do you see that?   Will Dove  31:55 Well, I would hope that if we can get over this woke insanity, we can have these very valuable women put into positions where they can actually do a great job. I just personally, and I'm going to state it plainly, I don't think anybody, woman or otherwise, who can't meet the physical requirements should be walking the street in a uniform.   Donald Best  32:21 I think you're correct. But what does that mean for the promotional opportunities of ordinary white, straight guys who want to make policing a career knowing that they're going to be five years behind anybody who's a woman, anybody who's a different race or culture. What does that do for the incentive to join the military or to join the police?   Will Dove  33:01 I'm going to counter that with another question, because you brought up the military, and I don't have statistics on this. I doubt you do either, but I often, I'm wondering how many people are joining our military now, because the government will pay the $75,000 for their sex change operation?   Donald Best  33:25 You know, it's probably not many in terms of sheer numbers or proportion, but that's a fair question. That's a fair question. I mean, I heard a joke the other day. You know, we've sent everything, all our weapons, everything to Ukraine, which is true. I mean, the coverage bear, there's nothing left and everything, but we have lots of tampons for our next shipment.   Will Dove  33:54 Wow.   Donald Best  33:58 There we go, and the whole rainbow mafia, and it's infesting everything. And what's a man? Look, you know what I wanted in my military? I’ll tell you exactly what I want. Train killers. Our train killers.   Will Dove  34:13 Yes.   Donald Best  34:14 Those rough men who, while we sleep, are on guard, are ready, not to fight wars in foreign countries for the military industrial complex and everything. I mean, in Afghanistan, oh my, how many we lost? I'm sorry. I'm ashamed. I don't even know. A couple of hundred? More? I'm talking about death. I know we’ve so many injured in Afghanistan for nothing. For absolutely nothing.   Will Dove  34:52 And I agree with you, what we need, what I want in our military is young men who truly believe what Patton said, “It's not your job to die for your country. It's your job to make the other poor bastard die for his country.”   Will Dove  35:07 Because they are the line of defense. If this country is ever attacked, the military is supposed to stand between us and who is attacking us. And right now, as far as I can see, as you mentioned, we've got this culture now in both the police and the military, where there's very little incentive for the sorts of people that you and I would like to see there join up, and all kinds of incentive for the sorts of people who, when it comes to crunch time, I don't have much confidence that they're going to put themselves on the line.   Donald Best  35:40 I look at, frankly, there's a great number of women chiefs of police and deputy chiefs around now, because it's the thing to do. Yes, it is. It's the thing to do. And even where we had in Toronto, an inspector, a female, black, who was caught cheating, beating the answers for promotional exams to her subordinates, those that she chose, black subordinates, to get you know everything. She tried to justify her actions by saying she was just righting a wrong. In other words, rule of law means nothing to her, but I looked at, and I can see why she was put in their position. She's totally woke, and she's black, and she's a female. She checked all the boxes, but she's no more fit to lead a law enforcement operation, or law enforcement personnel than some criminal walking down the street because she doesn't respect the law, but she is, she was injected into that position to fill that position.   Donald Best  36:55 You know what? And I look at so many people these days in policing, and I look at these people in command positions, and I think to myself, I would not want you as a partner on Yonge Street, because you can't make someone come along. You don't have the courage, you don't have the physical assets, you just can't arrest criminals. You are incapable of it. I know why you only spent two years on the Street, and then you went to the youth Bureau, and then from there, you went to another specialized squad, and then you got your Sergeant stripes, and you went to a detective office and everything like that. I know why you were able to do that, and that was your career path, and then you went administrative. Why?   Donald Best  37:43 Because you were useless on the street, and so they got rid of you, and they moved you upwards. How many of our command officers are like that? I can tell you right now, lots of them.   Will Dove  37:56 Right. And that brings me to another very important question, Donald. As you are well aware, because you investigated and arrested some of these people. Corruption has been in our police forces forever, human nature, has been, but I suspect that the causes of that corruption were somewhat different in 1975 than they are now. This woman you were talking about, to my mind, I don't care that she was a woman, I don't care that she was black - I care that she's undermining the meritocracy and crippling our police force doing it. That, in my mind, is treason.   Will Dove  38:39 I don't care who's committing it. So yes, I think there's probably a difference from almost 50 years ago to now in the common sources of corruption. What do you think of that?   Donald Best  38:55 There have always been corrupt people everywhere. I like to say that in any organization, policing, military, law, medicine, only 1% of the people are absolutely rod and corrupt to the core. Only 1% of the strength, the integrity, the courage, to stand up to that corruption. These are the whistleblowers. These are the people that hunt the corrupt and paid the price. In between, there's 98% of the people who are not corrupt themselves, but by their cowardice and they're looking the other way, they empower that corruption.   Donald Best  39:44 And is it used to be that we aspired to goodness. We aspired to rule of law. People were ashamed if they got caught doing anything. Now, look at our leadership right from the top down, the Prime Minister's Office, all the way down. When people get caught, it's oh, well, I did it because, or I had this, or I'm a recovered drunk now, that's why I sexually assaulted all those women, or whatever it is. Nobody has any shame. Nobody pays any price. Certainly, nobody resigns out of any, you know, small smidgen of integrity that might be left.   Donald Best  40:30 That is an example that has permeated our society, and it's permeated the police too. Now, organized crime has always tried to penetrate the police. They always have. And politicians and the political elites have always tried to direct the police operationally. They always have. And you have to, as a police officer, resist that.   Donald Best  41:01 Now one of the squads I used to work, with a squad leader, Sergeant Harry Darcy, still my best friend, and he was told to leave certain bars alone and certain unlicensed liquor premises because they were owned by people who were friendly with the police, including a sitting member of Provincial Parliament, NDP Member of Parliament. So, it ended up with Harry Darcy sitting in a room with the chief of police, saying to the police, the chief of police, you can transfer me, you can fire me, but the one thing you cannot do is order me to not do my duty as I see fit. I don't think that ever happens anymore.   Will Dove  41:54 Well, and that brings us back to something that we briefly touched on in our last interview. I'm still having a hard time getting my head around this. I read a paraphrase, because it's been several months since that interview, but this stuck with me. Apparently, you said there is now a new rule that says that you have to go to your supervisor to get permission to investigate a crime.   Donald Best  42:17 Oh, yes, I have it right here before me. Ontario Regulation 395/23, to the community safety and policing act of 2019 but that was not proclaimed the Act or the regulations until April 1^st of 2024 this year, just few months ago, outfitting that April 1^st. Now just a little bit of history, for our viewers here. In the early days of policing, always corruption, always politicians trying to direct the operations of the police, not the strategies, not, you know, we have some problems in the section, can you look at this? No, no, I'm talking about operations. Make those please go here and do that. Make them not go there and not do that. Okay?   Donald Best  43:10 So that corruption just permeated policing. Sir Robert Peel, he's the father of modern policing. All policing in the West is the result of his efforts. He put in Peel’s Principles of Policing back in, I think, the 1830s. And what this did, it meant that the police were the community, and the community were the police. The police were only members of the community with the full-time jobs of keeping the peace and keeping the light. It was everybody's responsibility. That was how that was, and the police had autonomy and independence from the political segment, so that there would be no corruption, or less corruption, and you would not have different political factions using the police as muscle. That's really what it was about, or to gain profits.   Donald Best  44:11 That all ended on April 1^st 2024 when the Ontario government proclaimed a regulation that says this, if police see a criminal event, they can start an investigation, but they must immediately, as soon as practicable, notify a supervisor who will, who must, give permission for the continuation of that investigation. And if a police officer thinks that there might be a criminal investigation, something worth investigating but hasn't yet started because he doesn't see it, that police officer he or she must first go to a supervisor and get permission to initiate a criminal investigation or a drug investigation.   Will Dove  45:10 I have to ask, Robert, who was behind this law, because it's very obvious what it's for. It's there so that they can be certain that some things won't ever be investigated.   Donald Best  45:22 The elites are behind it. This law and this provision, I've traced back even the drafts that were created in 2019, 2018, because of my position with working for the Deputy Chief in Toronto, and also for the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police. I know that probably the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, certainly the police add input into the creation of this. Now this is not the, that the officers on the street, this is the command structure. And don't forget when we get up to deputy chief of staff, superintendent, Deputy Chief, that's all political. All political.   Will Dove  46:15 Yeah, the police themselves are appointed.   Donald Best  46:18 Yeah, you're either diversity or a mason or Knights of Columbus, or a member of the hockey team, or, you know, in one case, the Premier is your good friends, we tried to make you commissioner of the OPP. And there's all sorts of ways, but it's political, when you get to those levels. So, what we see here is an attempt by those in power everywhere, once again, grab operational control of law enforcement, and they've done it.   Donald Best  46:50 Now, I've interviewed 28 police officers since I found out about this, which was only a few months ago. I've interviewed 28. Now to be fair, two police officers informed me about this new regulation because they were in training and refresher training about the new Police Act, the Community Safety and Policing Act. And they’re all, holy smokes, what is this? So, they contact me about it. After that, I've asked 28 police officers. I've approached them on the street, I've talked with them online. I have some old friends who are still actively serving. Not one of those 28 police officers knew of this provision till now.   Donald Best  47:46 So, from April, four months, it'll take its way to get it through. The detective in Helen Grus’s case, it's all about - does a police officer have the authority, the autonomy and the duty, as provided in law, to launch any investigation they want? And in that case, that Ottawa police detective launched an investigation into the possible, the potential that there was something between a mother's vaccination status and the sudden unexplained deaths of nine infants.   Donald Best  48:32 And now, and that was in January of 2022 and now, of course, we know, not only is there a connection, the Pfizer documents, they knew about it. They covered it up. I mean, there's just a tsunami of evidence to show that she was correct. She's charged. Nonetheless, they can't have that. The system just won't have that. Her file continues in January of next year. Three years after the initial offense, purported offense, that's a whole other case. But the bottom line is now she would absolutely be guilty because she didn't obtain permission.   Donald Best  49:15 Now she notified her superiors and the assistant to the chief of the Ottawa police, the Sergeant Major of the Ottawa police service, testified to that that he knew of the investigation, approved of it, thought it was great. I mean by approved, or he thought it was good idea. He didn't - no permission was sought because it didn't have to be sought. But now she'd be guilty, and this is such a critical fundamental change to 200 years, almost 200 years, of policing, and nobody's talking about it.   Will Dove  49:57 Yes, and Donald, I think that brings us really, to the point that I've been driving towards since we started this interview, and you touched on it yourself, because we're here today to discuss corruption, the dissolution of our police forces and, by corollary, our military. And it's easy to point a finger at the police force and at the military but as you touched on very briefly just a few minutes ago, that's not the real source of the problem. The source of the problem is our society. Because people like you and I, we grew up believing that we have a responsibility for society, to contribute to make it better, but that belief has been completely undermined.   Will Dove  50:47 And so now we have people coming into the police and the military who don't come from that kind of culture, who don't believe they owe anything to the society that gives them their rights and freedoms. And I think that's really the source of the problem. What do you think?   Donald Best  51:05 I think that it's a multi-faceted corruption, multi layered. That's one part of it. Certainly, another part of it is our society is changing in and of itself, the wokeness on its own, the injection of different societies and cultures that are only opposed to many of what used to be our core values, the protection of women. Let's start with that, the rule of law. So many of our new Canadians or recent arrivals come from societies where the police are absolutely, totally corrupt. It's always been that way. They've always been the muscle for those in power.   Donald Best  51:53 And police will stop you on the street and will offer you the option of, do you want a $25 ticket, or would you like to buy me a coffee? And this is normal, and people carry money of a certain denomination that they know is what is required when stopped by a police officer. There are so many countries out there just like that. India is one of my favorites. I know a lot about police in India, and there's a lot of reasons for that.   Donald Best  52:26 But well, for instance, when you have a press conference in India, they've caught some criminal, and the media will actually say to the police officer who's making the announcement, oh, we got this guy or whatever. And they will basically, the media will say, have you beaten him yet for a confession? And the police officer will laugh and say, well, we haven't really spoken him yet, but we're going to have a chat with him this afternoon. Everybody laughs because that's normal.   Donald Best  52:58 Now in Mumbai, when you're supposed to wear a motorcycle helmet, that's the law. So, when you don't have a motorcycle helmet, and you're a poor man or a poor woman, they let you go, but if it's a new motorcycle, they pull you over and you have the money ready to give them. But some days, some days are just to deter people from not wearing helmets.   Donald Best  53:27 So, the police stand on the corner with a staff. A staff is a long club, and it's not heavy at one end, its consistent diameter, about an inch and a quarter, sometimes two inches, about five feet tall. And when someone drives by without a helmet, they will hit the person on the motorcycle with the staff. That's normal. That's to deter the public from breaking the law. They assault, the police assault the people driving by in the motorcycle.   Donald Best  54:06 Now, people who are listening to me, they're going, yeah, no, no, no, no, that can't be. It is.   Will Dove  54:17 Yes, it is. It is okay. Now, I spent some time in Mexico, it's not that different.   Donald Best  54:22 Right. So, you know, that's their standard. Now, if a person is born of Indian parents here in Canada, and they spend their whole life going through the school, there's still cultural vestiges there and maybe, depending on the religion, maybe there's even they look down on women or other races or whatever. But that's different than a person who has lived all their life in India, and at 22 years old comes over here and then becomes a police officer or a member of the military.   Donald Best  55:00 And now we're hiring permanent residents. That person who is throwing the handcuffs on you, that police officer who is standing there armed with the full authority of law, might not be a citizen. They might have only been in Canada for a couple of years, maybe a year.   Will Dove  55:23 Yes. So, Donald, now that we've spent a substantial amount of time discussing the source of the problem, I'd like to hear your ideas on solutions. How do we fix this? How do we take back our police. How do we take back our military? How do we get back to those values that made the police? So, when I was a kid, if you were in trouble, you looked for a police officer because you knew they would help.   Donald Best  55:56 I'm a copper, and when I get pulled over by police, I'm frightened now. I'm an old, retired guy, ex-copper. I can say all the magic phrases. I fear the police. I fear the police because the rule of law is dead. The police killed it. Rule of law, meaning everyone's treated the same. But we had chiefs of police kneeling with Black Lives Matter protesters who were breaking the law. They were breaking the covid regulations, but the chief of police, and blocking the road and there was no permit, and the chief of police of Toronto knelt with them.   Donald Best  56:38 And then just weeks later, sent the Mounted Unit to trample customers at Adamson’s BBQ who were trying to serve sandwiches and just make a living and pay the mortgage. Same law they were breaking. See the problem? Yeah. So, there's no consistency. We must have Canadians insist upon rule of law. I think that's the first thing.   Donald Best  57:08 Without rule of law, you've got nothing, absolutely nothing. All you have are institutions in society that obey the powerful and don't care about either the law or the ordinary citizens. And I think that's true for a lot of self-regulated professions these days. I think it's true for a lot of things. We have, how many, 300 and some odd members of federal parliament now, not one, not one, has the integrity to stand up and say, “Hold it. We've got to put a moratorium on immigration because it's getting away from us.” We have to talk about the fact that we have hundreds of thousands of Canadians who have been injured or killed by these jabs that we mandated. Nobody's talking about that.   Donald Best  58:11 You know, it's just a betrayal, and you talk about globalism and all the rest of this. So, this is a very rotten system we've allowed to do it. How do we take that back multi factored approach, not just with policing and the military. But I really believe, you know, the acting locally to defeat globalism by taking back the library boards, the school board and the city councils, is very powerful. That's happening all across this country, and we have to do that.   Donald Best  58:44 We have the United Nations imposing, we have our politicians surrendering our national sovereignty to international bodies who do not put Canada first. They've signed, we now have a problem all across this country. Nobody knows that, but that local councils are managing our water according to the rules of the UN and the WEF. I mean, we can go there, and people don't realize. We have a press that's captured and paid for by the Government.   Donald Best  59:20 So, there's people like you, people like me, the independent media. Sometimes we get siloed though. How many people are here to hear what you say because they disagree with you. You know, they're here because they are curious, or they sort of agree with us? I don't think there's any purple haired, rabid, old ultra-hate Canada feminists listening to us, are there? Maybe.   Will Dove  59:48 I know they're not, because I do sometimes get asked, Will, why don't you interview people who are on the left?   Donald Best  59:53 They won't come.   Will Dove  59:54 I say, I would love to. They won't come. I invited them for interviews. They won't come. They won't talk to us. So how do you have a dialog like that?   Donald Best  1:00:04 Sometimes they say, yes, then do a little research and go on null.   Will Dove  1:00:11 Heck, I have people on the right who won't come on my show. I'm too far right for them. But getting back to specifically the police and this…   Donald Best  1:00:23 Well, first of all, well, we have to make police officers aware that their autonomy and political control is being - their autonomy is being threatened and political control is being asserted over them. You have to put it just like that, we have to rescind this Ontario Regulation 395/23, we have to rescind that, and we have to publicize that. We have to make the public and the police know what it's all about. That will get them thinking about what their duty is, what their oath is. Oath of office.   Donald Best  1:01:03 How many police officers can recite their oath of office? That oath of office should be on the wall, on the locker room wall, in the lunch room and the guard room, and in the station lobby. It should be there displayed permanently. We have to reeducate these people.   Will Dove  01:01:19 And I think if I'd like to add, we have to educate ourselves, because we cannot insist upon our rights if we don't know our rights. And so, I don't know so much the case anymore, but it used to be, when we were young, that Americans knew their rights. They were taught when they were young, but Canadians, we were never taught. And so, I think it's more important than ever that we as Canadians take the time to educate ourselves, to learn our rights. There’s actually…   Donald Best  1:01:47 And our responsibilities under the law.   Will Dove  01:01:49 And our responsibilities under the law. Yes, absolutely. Because those two things go together, you can't have rights without responsibilities. But there's an actual example of the power of knowing your rights. I don't know if you've heard of Jody Ledger, she's out your way, doesn't live all that far from you actually. Back in early 2021, Jody is just a realtor, but during the lockdowns, she took the time, hundreds of hours to research our rights. She and her friends went to a food court where they were approached by the mall cops because they weren't wearing masks, and Jody and her friends calmly and respectfully, and they pulled out their phones because they had the documents on it where it said, well, I'm afraid that if you try to force us to do that, you're violating our rights. And here's chapter and verse, and there's chapter and verse.   Will Dove  01:02:38 The mall cops gave up and went away, and they called the real cops. Same thing happened. The cops showed up. They said, I'm sorry, but if you force that on us, you're violating our rights, and your job is to protect our rights. They gave up and went away. We must know our rights.   Donald Best  1:03:00 Absolutely, and that aside, with that is knowing the law.   Will Dove  01:03:06 Yes.   Donald Best  1:03:07 It’s amazing how many police officers don't know the law. Now, the law is a pretty big creature, and it's pretty specialized. Everyone has their favorite areas of law. That's true for lawyers. That’s true for cops, okay? But on these basic freedoms and rights, I don't know, we should have a little booklet to hang out, a pamphlet or something. I don't know. We should educate.   Donald Best  1:03:32 The other thing is, absolutely, non-citizens should not be police officers. Non-citizens should not be in senior positions of administration in government. Non-citizens should not be in cabinet. I'll even say people who are not born in Canada, people with dual loyalties, should not be in cabinet, in government, and in senior positions in government, elected or not, they should not be. We can see that, I mean, goodness gracious, Freeland, her grandfather was an actual Nazi. Removed in the chain of command from Adolf Hitler by, like, only three, four positions or something. I mean, it's there, and Ukrainian. And where is Freeland’s emphasis now? Is it on Canada? If there's a choice to be made between the Ukraine and Canada, what has she chosen? What does she choose?   Donald Best  1:04:40 And she's a born in Canada, Canadian.   Will Dove  01:04:44 But one with divided loyalties.   Donald Best  1:04:46 One with divided loyalties. I always say it takes three generations to really have a love for the soil, for the Canada, for the people, for the place. When I was growing up, all kinds of my friends had fled Europe from the communists. I had Latvians, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians, people who had fled from the communist regime. And some of them came to Canada very young, one or two, three years old. Some were born in Canada. Like my best friend for years, we're together. We owned airplanes, we were in a rock band. We had a great time. He's from Latvia, born in Canada, but he and half of those people are in the United States now, because it was just a family stop. They couldn't get where they wanted to go, so they chose Canada or the UK as a first stop. And the family eventually got to where it was, they wanted to go, which was the United States of America.   Donald Best  1:05:57 My friend was born in Canada. Later on, I found his dad was in the Latvian SS, but that's another story. So, it takes those generations, and there's many black Canadians who have been here as a family for hundreds of years. They're different than the people that just arrived off the plane. They're different. They have a love for Canada and this country.  So, we have to be real about this, folks, a million and a half people in the last 18 months or something, many of them temporary workers.   Will Dove  01:06:38 Every year, the entire population in Saskatchewan.   Donald Best  1:06:43 Yeah. So, this just can't continue. This can't continue. If you want the society that we should have with rule of law, then you have to stop immigration and teach the current population about rule of law and respecting women and democracy.   Will Dove  1:07:04 And give those generations time to happen, to do it. It is not that there are not people who are, even new immigrants, who don't love Canada, who might, within my own freedom organization, Strong and Free Canada, we have quite a number of Chinese people, they know what's going on. They left China to get away from this kind of thing, and they're fighting for Canada, but the vast majority of us were fighting, our third and fourth plus generation Canadians. We love our country and we want it back.   Donald Best  1:07:38 Exactly. You know, I have, I was born and raised in Hamilton, and at the time I was born and raised there, if you were born on East 39th you were going to live, work and die within four blocks of there. Maybe someday you'd go to Toronto or maybe even Daytona Beach, but that's where you would end up. Well, I have children and grandchildren and relatives and extended family, and it's all the way from Australia to Vietnam and all up through Asia. It just happened, you know, that's the way it is.   Donald Best  1:08:17 But when I visit Vietnam, or Laos, or Thailand, I respect their rules. It's not Canada. I respect their laws. I'm very careful that I'm a guest there, even if I lived there for a year or two, which I have, I'm a guest. It's their rules, it's their society. Sometimes it's very different, and I don't think it's good, but sometimes it's just different, and I think, oh, that's bad, and then you find out, no, that's good for this country. That's the way they build houses here, because it works. That's the way they organize their society, because it works.   Donald Best  1:09:09 First time I was in Thailand, at Bangkok. I mean, there's skyscrapers, and it's a big, modern city, and we come to a railroad crossing and there are people breaking up the concrete to repair it with sledge hammers and iron bars, just like the Death Railway. Okay, under the Japanese in the 40s. And I looked at my guide, and I said, but you know, a pneumatic hammer. This is downtown Bangkok, a pneumatic hammer. This thing will be done, broken up in an hour, and you'll be ready to… And my guide looked at me like I was crazy, and they said, but then 15 families would be out of work. And this was a city job.   Donald Best  1:10:00 So that was a society that, on a certain level, values its citizens and values people far more than we in Canada do. The only homeless that I ever seen in Thailand are drug addicts, and if they sleep on the streets, people will stop, give them an umbrella, bring them water. There's very, very few. There’re no homeless encampments. There's poverty, sure, sure. But everybody works. There's no social assistance. That causes everybody to work.   Donald Best  1:10:41 It means that your family is close, because if you lose your job, you better have some friends or some family. So, people value that. They have structured, you can tell, I greatly admire the ties. Citizenship is valuable. It takes 10 to 20 years to become a Thai citizen. You must know the language, the culture. You must pass all sorts of tests. You must be on good behavior. They will visit you by surprise where you're supposed to work, where you're supposed to live, and they will do that even if you are born in Thailand of non-national parents. And there are stateless people, millions of them, throughout that area of Asia, even if you're born in Thailand, you are not a citizen. You must work to obtain that citizenship. Consequently, high citizenship is amongst the most valued in the world for a lot of reasons.   Donald Best  1:11:50 Us, we hand them out like candy, and if you're over a certain age, you don't even have to speak in a language. So, pardon my rants. What are we doing with all that? Well, we stop this invasion. We have to stop this invasion and this dilution of our culture and values. And I'm not talking skin color here, my friend, I'm talking culture and value. Am I a racist? No, but I'm a culturalist. I sure am.   Will Dove  1:12:22 Yes, and we have to be, because that’s the only way we can save our country. We have to insist that we take back our culture.   Donald Best  1:12:31 Exactly. I mean, our culture is good. Don't beat women versus you're allowed to, you're instructed to beat your wife. I mean, there's two values there, which one you're going to choose? They can’t exist mutually. They cannot. And yet. And yet, we allow setting up now of Sharia courts, arbitration. Under the arbitration law, we allow setting up, I hear the Sikhs are doing the same thing now in the US, I don't know if it's coming to Canada, there's all sorts of Jews. The same thing. I know in the US, not sure if it's in Canada, kind of hidden. We don't talk about that.   Donald Best  1:13:15 Rule of law is dead. Canadian citizens are not allowed to carry weapons, defensive weapons of any kind. It's simply not allowed. You're not allowed to carry a knife as a weapon. You're not allowed to carry pepper spray as a weapon. You can carry pepper spray against the bears if you live up near Cochran or Sudbury and the outskirts, but you try and carry that pepper spray downtown at Yonge and Dundas and Toronto and see what happens. There's no choice for it. It becomes a weapon.   Donald Best  1:13:49 Canadians are not allowed to have weapons, either openly or concealed. I’m not talking just firearms, I'm talking anything at all that you say is a weapon, unless you're a Sikh, then you're allowed to carry up to a six-centimeter blade on airplanes. You can carry concealed weapons, a knife under your coat, any size. You can carry a sword. You can carry a spear. We just saw this happened throughout Canada with the Khalistan referendum that was going on, especially in Calgary. Watch the videos. The Sikhs, and the Sikhs say it's a weapon. It's a weapon for defense, but it's also a weapon, an offensive weapon, they say, in their religion to defend oppression and to free the oppressed. That's a weapon.   Donald Best  1:14:48 They're allowed weapons, and you will go to prison for carrying a concealed knife. But not to Sikhs. How many wives do you have, my friend?   Will Dove  1:15:05 I assure you; I only have one, and she would be very upset if I tried to have more.   Donald Best  1:15:10 Well, that's all you're allowed. They'll arrest you. They'll throw you in jail if you have more than one wife.   Will Dove  1:15:19 Well, unless you married your wives under Sharia law.   Donald Best  1:15:23 Unless you are a Muslim, and then you're allowed to bring your wives, all of them. You're allowed to bring your children, all of them. And municipal, provincial and the federal governments will provide the social assistance programs for you and each one of your wives. Most Canadians don't know this. Don't believe me, just do some Google research. Just put it up there, and you'll see that Canadian government agencies, online, even advise Muslims how to bring all their wives here.   Will Dove  1:16:10 Yes. Donald, thank you for this excellent discussion and for your clear thinking on yes, the rule of law is gone. It's gone because our society has allowed it to be erased. You have any final thoughts for our viewers?   Donald Best  1:16:28 Well, I've been pretty pessimistic, but as I think we spoke ahead of this broadcast, a little bit, I am optimistic, and I'm inspired by some of the people who are out there and saying, we can't abandon our institutions, our fundamental institutions. There is a great movement now, or people feel like, I can't depend on the justice system anymore. I can't depend on the police. I can't depend on Ottawa or any of the legislatures.   Donald Best  1:17:03 And there is a feeling by some that you should just walk away an enclave and button down. No, we have to take back these institutions. We can't say we don't believe in them. Well, let me fix that. We mustn't abandon them. Okay? We must believe and work hard to repair them, to restore integrity to our foundational institutions. We can't just abandon this and walk away.   Donald Best  1:17:41 And I was listening last night to Bathsheba Vandenberg, who's a lawyer. She's the defense lawyer for Detective Helen Grus in Ottawa. She was with the public emergency commission or she appeared there and everything. And she was so inspiring with her message of, we have to change things. We can't abandon them. Basically, this is our turf. This is our society. We must work hard to defend it. We can't go enclave and abandon it.   Will Dove  1:18:17 Yes, in short, we must, each of us fight for our country and for our culture.   Donald Best  1:18:25 That's right, good way to leave it.   Will Dove  1:18:28 All right. Thank you, Donald.   Donald Best  1:18:29 Always a pleasure.