[Will Dove] (0:00 - 2:54) Property owners in Ontario and Manitoba are prime targets for having their lawfully owned real estate stolen from them by a system that is propped up by corrupt courts, which do nothing but rule in favor of the criminals behind these province-wide scams. Teranet, a foreign-founded data company, years ago won the right to control all real estate data in those two provinces. Since then, some $30 billion in Ontario alone have gone missing, stolen through corruption of a land title and mortgage fraud system empowered by foreign control of all real estate transaction data, data which is not available to homeowners. And the man who originally founded Teranet is now a Liberal-appointed senator. When Jagmeet Singh was due to answer questions about his knowledge of Teranet, he was suddenly unavailable that day, with no explanation given. When Martin McDermott, who has been working for 16 years to expose this fraud, attempted to show vital documents to the then-Prime Ministerial candidate Justin Trudeau in 2015, Mr. McDermott was charged with trespassing and removed from the venue where Trudeau was speaking. At least one Liberal MP has been heavily implicated in the Teranet scam. She refuses to answer any questions and has called the police on Mr. McDermott to avoid having to face him. The branches of corruption surrounding Teranet go all the way up through both provincial and federal governments. But now there is hope. Opposition MPs are now asking hard questions in Parliament about where this money is going, and how it is that legal homeowners in Ontario and Manitoba can have their property stolen by corrupt lawyers and real estate agents who get away with it, backed up by equally corrupt courts. And there is hope that they will keep asking those questions until all of us finally get the answers that we deserve. Martin, welcome back to the show. Thank you, I'm happy to be here. Now before we get into your update on what's going on with Teranet and Ontario land titles and all the corruption there, you and I did do an interview on this some time ago. Could you please give our viewers just a five-minute summary of what's going on in Ontario with the corruption in the land titles, Teranet, the foreign influence in it, the government corruption. I know it's a tall order to try to do that in a few minutes, but just so people have a background for what we're going to discuss today. [Martin McDermott] (2:55 - 5:51) Okay, very quickly, some foreign investors came together as venture capital to fund the digitization of Ontario's land registry. A prototype had already been done called Polaris and they were going to extricate some of the data fields from this big monobase, which is all of Ontario's data in one centralized location. That's all your mortgage data, all your purchase price, and all of your zoning regulations, everything all in one database. When this company came in the back rooms of the Ministry of Government and Consumer and Commercial Relations at that time in the 1980s, they were basically in the back rooms to find out who they would go through to get this privatization deal in progress. There was a woman in there, Bonnie Foster, Art Daniels, and another fellow that opened up these doors. I like to say the names because the names are important. Then when the Peterson government was failing and Bob Ray came to power, immediately Bob Ray privatizes Ontario's land registry to an unknown group of people. I went through all the Hansard transcripts, read everything about the debates that were happening. There was only one man that stood up, his name was David Tilson, and he asked some pretty important questions. You can all go back to those transcripts and then you can find out that Teranet wasn't even paying the bill when they got the contract. They were months, months, and months behind on their first installment of the $29 million, which was the contract. These people were very clever. They were able to conceal all of their movements from the ministry people after the contract was signed, and there were three appointments that were yet to be made, and they were never made. They were supposed to have somebody from the government onto the Teranet board. The privatization began with 40% for the government, 60% for the Teranet cartel, and their company was called Real Data Ontario. My deep dive found out a connection after I got to the CBC's Fifth Estate documentary, The Data Game, and in 2016, I took some screen scrapings and I discovered something remarkable. Original commitment for all funds from Saudi sources on a contingency basis, and that picture there is Mohammed Al Zaibak, your newly appointed senator as of January 2020. [Will Dove] (5:52 - 6:04) Right, and that's an extremely important connection. I don't want our viewers to miss that. This was the guy who was behind the Saudi Arabian finance and setup of Teranet, and he's now a senator. [Martin McDermott] (6:04 - 9:11) He's now a senator, and the deal was, this is all from CBC's screen scraping is what we call it, $5 million in national capital plus long-term investment. You see, their long-term investment gave these people the opportunity to merge data, and so I'll tell you what happened in 2003, Ernie Eaves privatizes the last 40% that the government held, and so it was already known that from the first year of operation of this digital land registry, the law society said it ballooned, mortgage fraud ballooned, to $300 million in the first year, and that it had quadruple mortgage fraud. This is not a safe system. It has to be replaced, and the law society called it out in 2005 and said it's a piece of you know what, and to fix it, and Teranet said they're not going to fix it until the government tells them exactly what to fix, and the government doesn't know exactly what's broken. You see, I know what's broken. I backwards and forwards through it. I reverse engineered the whole program, and I can tell you that Muhammad al-Qaida back was up to no good, and I brought it with Doug Ford in 2018. You see, that's the documents I'm holding. They're documents of the Walton International Group, a big land banker, Philomena Tassi's documents, documents from an Irish immigrant family that lost their farms in Oxford County, and a Trudy Trohan Upchad who fought the stealing of her mother's property, but she lost after spending a lot of money in the courts, so I'm going to tell you why you're losing the torts when you go to fight these people, but tell your ally. Yeah, we'll get to that in a bit. Let's finish up the summary. Yeah, the biggest problem is is that your government does not own this land registry in Ontario or Manitoba. Two provinces did the unbelievable. They privatized all of your data to a big data cartel called Teranet. I'll just raise my camera so you can see. Big data terror, and that is what's called an empathy map, and an empathy map on one side of the empathy map, or on this side, is my family's tragedy. Over on this side is the government's tragedy. Down the middle, it's all about Dave Levat when I brought it to him in 2014, and he said he was going to get a strategy together with Mario Sergio, and he was going to fix this problem, and then he stuck his tail between his legs and ran like a coward, rather than after six years. [Will Dove] (9:12 - 9:25) Now, you mentioned your family's tragedy because this is how you became involved in all of this, how you came to understand what was going on. Okay, good. So, please give us a brief summary of what happened to your mother and how her property was stolen. [Martin McDermott] (9:26 - 10:29) Okay, we had no idea that when my mother fell ill in 2007, that somebody had already been into her land title in 2006, in March and April, and because we had no disclosure that she didn't own any property anymore, we thought that while she was in the hospital, she would come out of the hospital into something called temporary care, home care, and she would have recovered from her surgery. But what ended up happening was my brother-in-law showed up in my mother's hospital room and made the end-of-life decision that staff at the hospital followed, and my mother was killed by dehydration, starvation, because they took her food and water away, and they called it comfort measures, and they asked us to keep her lips moist with chunks of ice. And so, I'm telling you what can happen when Philomena Chassi or some of her family get into digital land titles. [Will Dove] (10:30 - 10:54) Yeah, okay. So, that brings us a very quick summary, and if people want the full story, folks, there will be a link to my original interview with Martin beneath this one. So, now we can get into how things have developed now because you sent me a encouraging message just a few days ago saying that Philomena Chassi can now be held to account for her actions. Please explain what's happened. [Martin McDermott] (10:55 - 12:54) Okay, what has happened is up in Ottawa, they're looking for a lot of money that went out the door during the COVID period when Philomena Tassi was procurement minister. Prior to that, she was minister for labor, and prior to that, unbelievable minister for seniors. When she was in Ottawa in 2016, I went to an event there called the protest against euthanasia, and that was on June 1st, 2016, and unbelievable, even though I called up to Philomena Chassi's office to ask if she'd come down for an interview, her staff didn't respond, and they didn't know what to do, I guess, and they didn't pass the message on. So, Philomena Chassi walked out the door of Parliament, and I got to ask her a few questions about this. So, when we asked her these questions, she was running down the street with a colleague of hers, the Honorable Elected Representative for Cambridge, and it was really quite funny because she really did leave some impression on the camera, and that was her face. It's a face of guilt, a face of astonishment that I caught up with her. Caught her in the context of asking the questions, started to snap some stills, then turned the video on and asked her some more questions, and I will be releasing all of those videos in due time. But right now, the RCMP, as we were talking earlier, are looking for a lot of documents that I am saying do not exist. So, they're doing a filibuster up in Ottawa right now, and all of these MPs, sorry, or conservatives and blocs and others are trying to force these documents, but they're not going to get any documents because they don't exist. Criminals don't do. [Will Dove] (12:56 - 13:10) Yes. Now, hang on a second. I've got something that we have to clarify, because as you've already made clear, TerraNet only affects Ontario and Manitoba, but you've got MPs, federal politicians, who are pursuing getting these documents. Why is that? [Martin McDermott] (13:12 - 14:17) Because it's a lot of money. It's billions of dollars that went out the door unreceived. They only know that it went to certain companies, and those big companies like PowerCorp and others, they don't need that money. So, how did they get that money? You see, there's a lot of questions, and there's a lot of billions, and the most remarkable thing is the Toronto Star story just last September, a year ago September now, and that is a BC company started to do the same work I've been doing, and they came up with an estimate of $30 billion of ill-gotten gains in Ontario's digitized land, and nobody knows where that money went. Nobody knows where that money went other than myself and a few others, because some people can do something like TRAC, whereas the OPP and the RCMP have something called IPEDA and FinTRAC, and they haven't told us how they work, but they say that they're sophisticated tools to investigate money laundering. [Will Dove] (14:18 - 14:25) I don't believe it, but you yourself are a data analysis expert. You're used to working with databases. So, where did that money go, Martin? [Martin McDermott] (14:26 - 14:50) Well, yeah, my background is medical imaging. It is big data, and I was at the front of this when some AI systems were coming in to read medical imaging documents, images, and so anyhow, where did that money go? Well, that money went to offshore accounts to be hidden for some while until it comes back through Canada. [Will Dove] (14:51 - 15:02) In the form of what? When it comes back into the country, what is it being done? What are they doing with it? Where's it going once it comes back? Oh, okay. Well, this is an interesting thing. [Martin McDermott] (15:02 - 15:52) Some of it goes to political campaign contributions, like TerraNet made substantial political contributions to a whole bunch of MPs and MPPs, and we found the same group that invested in the digital document system called Walton International Group, which sold a lot of Canadian, Ontario, offshore, Malaysian, Singaporean, others sold our Canadian real estate in equity-based venture capital. It's called syndicate land banking, and they did this with impunity, and then they just scratched all those Malaysians and Singaporeans off their list because those people are going to get paid out when these Walton properties are sold. [Will Dove] (15:53 - 16:08) So, $30 billion goes missing, stolen from landowners, homeowners in Ontario and Manitoba. It leaves the country, gets laundered, comes back in in the form of lobbying payments, I suppose, would be the term we might use. [Martin McDermott] (16:08 - 16:59) I'll suggest that of the $30 billion, about $10 billion went offshore. Most of it probably stays here and goes into various different account systems, but most of it remains within the TerraNet system, believe it or not, because that is a land banking equity banking system, and that's where your property ownership is. It's in TerraNet's land registry system, and the equity comes from mostly value fraud. And I can show you how value fraud works. I've got some documents here from the former mayor of Brack County, who sold a farm to Walton, and before he sold that farm, he had already sold it to a friend of his up in Paris, who then transferred it back to him almost two years in a day, and just add $30,000. [Will Dove] (17:00 - 17:10) All right, so I'm going to ask you, walk us through that. Share your screen, walk us through that, because I know at this point in time, the viewers are wanting to know the same thing I am. What's the process? How are they getting away with this? [Martin McDermott] (17:12 - 18:45) Okay, USB drive comes to the lawyer. Lawyer says, okay, we can do this. Puts it into the computer, pulls up the page, puts in his password, and then he pulls up the farm that's targeted. Okay, it's already been bought from a senior, and the senior didn't know that they were selling to a land banker. Now, that farm goes offshore, and it gets an equity investment by, say, 250 Malaysians on that one farm, and they each give $10,000 per share of 662 shares of all properties broken up into 662 parcels, mini parcels, and that's sold off for $10,000 in equity private place. When those farms are re-evaluated two years later, that's when the USB drive goes back into the computer, and it pulls up the farm, and then begins to add to that document, and the adding might be $5 million, and I heard there's one that was over $10 million. I don't have all the Walton properties printed. The OPP were printing them in 2017, and that's when Walton went into Canadian creditor protection, because obviously, Teranet notified them that the OPP are printing their land registration documents out of the office in Brantford. [Will Dove] (18:46 - 19:18) Okay, now I want us to go through that again step by step, because obviously, most of us are not corrupt people. We don't understand how these kind of scams are pulled off, so you're giving us a broad level view, but it's sort of an eagle eye view, but I would like to go through this one step at a time, though, so I'm going to ask some very specific questions. In this example you've given, this farm is sold. The person selling the farm has no idea of who it's actually going to. How much is the farm sold for in this example? [Martin McDermott] (19:19 - 19:53) Okay, the farm is first purchased for $1.7 million, and then it is transferred back and forth between some numbered companies with that magical USB drive and the access to the Teranet system, and that's when the lawyers in their cleverness, using numbered companies, transfer to a numbered company, numbered company transfers back to Walton International Group, and then they pay out their small consortium of investors who are local community investors who opened the door to Walton. [Will Dove] (19:54 - 20:07) Now when that farm goes to those foreign investors who you said they're buying in at $10,000 a pop, by the time it lands in front of them as an investment, what's the valuation on that $1.7 million purchase? [Martin McDermott] (20:08 - 20:20) It is about just that, you know, but their investment when it comes back onto the land registry in this one particular farm was $7.6 million two years later. [Will Dove] (20:20 - 20:40) Right, so they're taking this $1.7 million property and inflating it through this process to $7.6 million, but this is the thing that I know most of the viewers are missing because I'm still missing it. Okay. How in the world are they artificially increasing the value through these foreign investors? I assume that's an integral part of it, but I don't quite understand the process. [Martin McDermott] (20:41 - 21:35) Okay, the process is secret and that's part of it, and that is that when the lawyer goes back onto the system, he knows exactly what he's doing. Outside of two years, they don't go back and look for what we call the flippers, you know, the people who just buy property and the hammer on those out in DC. When I lived out there for 19 years, they started to go after these people who were the flippers because they were increasing property pricing and they would do very little to the property in some cases, just by itself. That's not so much the problem as the corruption of secretly going back onto the registry system and adding $5 million two years after every single purchase that you did. Right. Walton picked up 5,500 acres last day. [Will Dove] (21:36 - 21:58) Okay, so now here's I think the essential question then, because the initial value of the property was established when it was sold for $1.7 million. Two years later, now it's evaluated at $7.6 partly through these foreign investments that went into it. But I'm assuming the property did not sell for $7.6 million because nobody's dumb enough to buy it at that price. No, that's right. [Martin McDermott] (21:58 - 23:44) Exactly. So that property is what's called land bank. And so that land bank property, this is the Walton's spiel, is three to five years is the turnaround for when that property gets resold. And that's when all the investors get paid your dividend, you see. And when that property sells, it's only after the zoning has been changed by the council because Walton buys outside of the city. So they know that the city was going to assimilate some land eventually. And just like Greenbelt, you see where you're going to target land because it's just in the Greenbelt. Well, no, Walton targeted land just outside of the Greenbelt and just on the edge of Brantford and elsewhere. Well, so that he knew or they knew was going to be transferred to the city. And the city is dumb enough to pay $7.6 million. No, no, the city would not pay that. The properties were sold to other people who are not developers. And when they flipped those out, because when Walton went into creditor protection, they had to sell the properties off some of them to pay some of their bills. And so because their bills were enormous, that's why they went into creditor protection, I believe. It wasn't just because the OPP were printing the land banking documents. Okay. But what I think is a bigger problem is that because the system is guided and guarded only by lawyers and the police have yet to get a USB drive to go in and do their own work. [Will Dove] (23:45 - 24:16) Right. But now this is where I'm trying to go with this. You're right. The city wouldn't pay $7.6 million for a farm, but it's already gone through this process of being divvied up into, I assume, one third acre standard parcels for houses to go to the developers to turn this into, because they're specifically picking these properties. They're just on the outside of the skirts, outskirts of the city that are going to be developed at some point in time in the future. So when that happens, now they're turning around and they're selling these parcels to developers. Is that what they're doing? Is that where they're getting the $7.6 million? [Martin McDermott] (24:17 - 25:35) Yes, that's what they do. They sell the property to developers. That $7.6 million doesn't matter anymore because our property sold for, I think, probably $2.5 million, somewhere up around in that area, right recently. First of all, I interviewed the former owner of the property, Francis Stanford, who is a cousin to Henry Wilmot. Henry Wilmot helped me investigate the frauds that were happening over at Scotiabank locally. So Henry Wilmot came in and he held this picture. Well, I took a picture of this other guy, Agustin LaRusso, and merged these together just to show that Henry Wilmot's a great guy. He really did come out and help us a lot. He's now in a care home. I have his power of attorney papers, but he did come out and help us a lot. I'm just going to try to find these here because he is a great guy. I wish that he had gotten paid for doing all the work that the OPP should have been doing, but you see, they don't do that work, our OPP. So we're going to find it eventually. We're going to make them do some more OPP. That's going to be a little while yet. [Will Dove] (25:35 - 26:19) So I'll find that picture of him. All right. So let me see if I can summarize what they're doing here. Property sells for $1.7 million. It's sold to foreign investors, whoever, some party. We don't really know because we don't have access to the database. It's then divvied up into smaller parcels, which are sold to foreign investors at $10,000 a pop. And if we're talking about 250 of them, as you mentioned earlier, so now we've got $2.5 million that's been raised. Then they're going to turn around a few years down the road and they're going to sell those parcels off to developers as the city expands. So now if all of that is correct and just give me a quick yes or no on that, it might pretty much something that's all right. [Martin McDermott] (26:19 - 27:13) Yeah. Okay. When they, when they break it up into the parcels for the offshore, that's called sells. Okay. They created the new word for that. Okay. And that doesn't go onto the land registry. All that goes onto the land registry is the equity investment of that one individual with a Malaysian or Singaporean name or Hong Kongese. They're into there as well. And they're into Germany and Japan and the United States as well. Walton. They're believed to be a $5.2 billion company at their first assessment when they went into creditor protects. And now when the numbers came on, it was $3.2 billion. So somewhere they lost $2 billion in the assessment of their company. And I believe that that was when they broke down the land registration documents and said, nah, scratch that number. It's not $7.6 million on that property. Okay. [Will Dove] (27:14 - 27:41) So now here's, here's the important question. And I know the answer, but I'm going to let you answer it. Cause you're the expert. You've dug all this up because what's going to occur to certain people, listening to that description of how this has turned from a 1.7 million to 7.6 million, money ending up in various people's pockets. What is the difference between, say, well, it's just savvy investing and corruption? [Martin McDermott] (27:43 - 28:54) Okay. The difference would be, I guess, is that Walton real estate salespeople were described as unsophisticated sales representatives looking for unsophisticated investments. And so that kind of sums it up. But the point that I like to make about the Walton group is that very few people would invest in this kind of a scheme. And so it is one of these things that's based on the Dunning-Kruger effect, that there's some people who want to believe themselves smart. And so when they hear a kind of complicated, you know, financing scheme that pays dividends, you know, five years down the road. And incidentally, those properties were not sold for 15 years. Okay. So that's how long those people have been waiting. And I brought it to Will Bulma, my MPP in Brant County on July 31st, 2018 in his office and a half hour meeting. And he said, there's nothing wrong with foreign ownership. [Will Dove] (28:56 - 29:21) Okay. So what we have here is a situation where they're going after these unsophisticated foreign investors for $10,000 investments each, immediately making $2.5 million. Somewhere down the road, they divvy up the land in parcels, they sell that off to developers, making even more money. And then the original investors wait 15 years to get what I presume is going to be a very small percentage of what Teranet and their investors made from this whole deal. [Martin McDermott] (29:22 - 29:23) Exactly. [Will Dove] (29:23 - 29:53) Right. And the problem with this, and the difference I would say between that and just, say, savvy investing, is that this is being done through a private database that the Ontario and Manitoba governments handed control over to a foreign power. And they're using it to pull money out of Canada, steal it from landowners here, homeowners, and turn it into profits in their pocket. And some of it is turned back around as lobbying money, so they can grow even more in power here. Is that about right? That's right. [Martin McDermott] (29:53 - 30:42) And guess what? That's only one, just one of the frauds available to the lawyers on that system. That's just one, just one. And I'm sure there's others. Yes. This is the number one fraud. It's called Spousal Title Fraud. One spouse can walk into a corrupted lawyer's office, access that system with the USB drive and the Teranet password, remove the wife from title, you see, for the husband by simply transferring that property to a nephew or somebody else. And so when that property is transferred, that person has the right now to sell that property. And that's what happened to Trudy Trohan Upton's mother, elderly senior, was evicted from her house by that kind of fraud. [Will Dove] (30:44 - 30:49) Right. And nobody knew until the day they showed up to kick her out that she didn't own the property anymore. [Martin McDermott] (30:51 - 32:37) And the OPP participate in those kinds of evictions. And like I showed you some images briefly of the OPP invasion in my home. And they will understand that November 20th of 2019, it's a very bad year for them. And their owners pension fund lost 3.2 billion dollars. See, it's owned by the pension fund owners. And so I explained there are karmic consequences that I see happening, but other people don't see them happening because they don't have the oversight that I have because I'm what's called top down. Everything I see is from top down. I'm not a bottom up worker. I go to the top first and then work my way down. And the top in this scheme was a guy named Fred Kisravi who came in from Iran in 67 roughly. And he schmoozed his way all the way up into the federal Liberal Party of Canada and then suggested that maybe they make better connections with the Ontario Liberal Party. And then the Ontario Liberal Party has Fred Kisravi in the bathrooms of the Ministry of Consumer and Commercial Relations looking over the options of how to privatize land registry. And most of all, how to merge it with other data to become something called big data. When you become big data, you become big control. And Teranet has big control. And I busted the balls of Agostinho Russo years ago and he ran like a coward when I laid out a bunch of stuff before him on the phone telling him of the problems. And all he could say was, there's nothing wrong. [Will Dove] (32:38 - 32:44) He says, now for people outside of Ontario, Agostinho Russo, Philomena Tassi, who are they? [Martin McDermott] (32:45 - 34:25) Agostinho Russo is a man responsible for harboring our data in his database called Terradeer. And Agostinho Russo is a chief legal officer of Teranet and the prime defender of Philomena Tassi's data, which I could not get through our local land registry office. I could not get through the lawyer who procured the transaction and the system credentials. And that was Philomena Tassi's husband, James W. Oliver. And I have plenty of documents that show that company that he worked for, Turks to Maza, was intimately connected with Mohamed Alkei Zeibak when Paul Polango, famous author, Canadian author, does stories on the RCMP and other bad policing, when he did a deep dive into Teranet at the beginning of that and found out, like what I did, that meeting this Mohamed Alkei Zeibak to give an interview. And Zeibak wasn't talking back in 1991 when the CBC did their Fifth Estate story and Paul Polango was in the room and he told me what it was like. It was unbelievable what he told me. So I know by fact that Paul Polango was right when I said, Paul, Mohamed Alkei Zeibak, when he came into the country, did not have five million dollars to his name. That is fake news. He did not have five million dollars invested in the startup Real Dad Ontario in the back rooms of the Ministry of Tourism and Social Consumer. [Will Dove] (34:26 - 34:37) So we have Philomena Tassi, who's an MP in Ontario. MP or MPP? My MP? Philomena Tassi, she's federal or provincial, I'm sorry. [Martin McDermott] (34:38 - 35:44) She's federal, she's a member of Parliament and she had Minister of Procurement during the COVID vaccine rollout. And she met the plane in Hamilton to pick up the children's vaccines that they had to rush them down to Superhero Central, Bank of Nova Scotia Centre, remember, to get them into the arms of the children as fast as they could. Okay, so that's what she did. She met the airplane out in Hamilton and I actually recorded the news story, you see, because I have a lot of video and a lot of audio clips. I'm going to be doing a documentary eventually on this, but Karen, that's not progressed enough into the public forum to give enough information for me to complete the documentary. It's about 85 percent I'll say complete. And so when Agostino Russo finally speaks, that is to the RCMP I'll assume, then he will tell them that Homeland Security paid them a visit and has some difficult questions for him to answer in 2017. [Will Dove] (35:45 - 36:18) Okay, so we've got Philomena Tassi, who's an MP in Ontario, was Minister of Procurement. Her husband is heavily involved in this whole Teranet thing. We've got Russo, who is the primary legal defense for Terrorview. And we've got this gentleman, Mohamed, I'm sorry, I've forgotten his last name, Elke Zyback, who was the original perpetrator of this whole Teranet scam and who has now been rewarded with a senator's seat. [Martin McDermott] (36:19 - 37:43) Yes, and he had some unusual partners as well. So I'll just name some of those partners. One was Ephraim Fixel. And Ephraim Fixel, if you go online, he had a problem as well where there was a property that was stolen. And it's a couple in Barrie. And I interviewed the Barrie couple on a couple of occasions. And the elderly gentleman, he's got a heart condition right now, I'm not pressing on him. I talked to his wife, Ingrid. They came from Germany after the war. And they did what most people do. Work hard, earn a living, buy a house. Anyhow, that house got stolen. And it got stolen because this law firm that Ephraim Fixel works for set up the books for this company called Shadalmar Holdings. And that was a company that was just a company to keep that house in, as many people in business put their house into a company, you know, to keep that in the company name. And there's benefits for doing that. But anyhow, I don't want to get into that too much. But the point I make is that there's plenty of options on this new digital land registry for people who have had access and who have had knowledge. [Will Dove] (37:44 - 38:08) Right. Now, normally, when we get into these sorts of things, I have to say to people, so why aren't we hearing about this? But we are hearing about this. This has even been covered by mainstream media, that we have this corrupt system, this corrupt foreign land management registry system in Ontario and Manitoba that is stealing properties from people. Cases are going before the courts. And yet nobody's doing anything. [Martin McDermott] (38:09 - 39:34) And the cases that go before the courts that people lose because the court is corrupted. As I've shown people on the other interviews that I've done, I've held up the picture of a judge in Hamilton who doesn't know how to read land registry documents. And then he made the biggest mistake of his life. And he didn't realize he was in a conflict of interest. He was with me in a courtroom. He hit the button and he evacuated everybody from this virtual courtroom. And I was left all alone with five lawyers. He stole my house out in Brant County and the dirty farmland that it sat on. I had a farm of 149 Shower Springs Road, Brant County and 0E1K0. And all the neighbors told me that it was a dump site for two or more broken up buildings on the banks of the Grand River that were targeted away in truck after truck after truckload. And they dumped it onto my farm, but it wasn't my farm. That was the previous owner. And we covered it up with some skim coat. And then when the farmer who was doing the tenant farming took his plow across that section of the field, up comes a big piece of rebar and it almost pierces his tire. And so he said, I'm not going to go through here anymore. I don't know what's buried here. [Will Dove] (39:35 - 39:49) All right. So now I want to come back to Philomena Tassi, who you tracked down on the street and hit her with some questions. And I understand you're not quite ready to share the video publicly yet. But what was the gist of that conversation? What came out of it? [Martin McDermott] (39:50 - 41:59) It was Philomena. There seems to be a lot of problems in my family lately. And then she says, Mr. McDermott, I've called the police. Well, yeah, she did call the police. And it's quite a remarkable story that she did call the police to my home in Brandt County, 149 Sour Springs Road. And it was to intimidate me because I set up a tripod out front of her campaign headquarters in 2015 to make sure that the public knew that she was not to be on the running for the Liberal Party on this new payroll that she's hoping to get onto. And I have right here some documents from this group here. And I'm going to say that the Law Society of Upper Canada did an investigation on Philomena Tassi. And those documents are in this envelope right here. You can see Law Society of Upper Canada. And this is it. This is their investigation. All my emails, all the emails back and forth. And of course, the land, my little document that has three. It's called James W. Oliver representing Muriel McDermott, James W. Oliver representing a Paul Morrison, and James W. Oliver representing a Maureen Morrison. Have you ever heard of one realtor, real estate professional representing all parties in the transaction? And then a more embarrassing situation that I got is an OPP communication to Ireland about the theft of Thomas Acton's farms. And the OPP spun this story really quick, to make it look like Henry Wilmots or Thomas Acton were up to something. [Will Dove] (42:00 - 42:11) See, now I don't know about Ontario, but I can tell you that here in Alberta, it is now illegal for a realtor to represent both sides in a transaction. You can't do that. [Martin McDermott] (42:11 - 42:13) Well, here in Ontario, it's only a guideline. [Will Dove] (42:14 - 42:42) Yes. See, now I was a realtor. I was a realtor in Alberta for 10 years up until about 10 years ago. And it was shortly after I left that they changed the law. There were some restrictions in place, but you could still do it. But they changed the law and should have, I'm glad that they did, to make it illegal for a single realtor to represent both parties. Because how can that person possibly be working in the best interest of both parties? Impartial. [Martin McDermott] (42:43 - 43:38) Yes, you can't be. You can't be. And in this case, this is what happened. There's the mortgage money. Paul Morrison went into a bank, Royal Bank of Canada, and I investigated these bankers by interviewing this one banker here, Chris Gaius, yes, the Nova Scotia. And boy, did he drop a bombshell. They don't have any due diligence. Their due diligence is they look at the idea and whatever's on the idea is good enough for them. Yes. And so that person sitting there in that chair opposite the bankers in your private six Canadian big banks, well, those ones are the most privileged because they're not lending private money like mortgage brokers. They're lending out the bank's money. The bank's money is fully insured. They just write it down. Mortgage brokers can't do that. [Will Dove] (43:39 - 44:00) Right. Now we got as far with your story with Philomena as explaining that there were some issues with your family and she had called the police, but you contacted me with some good news, some hope that you're going to see resolution to all of this and that certain people are going to be held accountable. So once again, without giving away too much that you want to hold back until another time, what's the basis for that optimism? [Martin McDermott] (44:01 - 47:21) Well, right now it is that the RCMP are looking for these documents. Okay. And the argument up in Ottawa from the liberal side is, why do you filibustering us and taking up all this time in Ottawa, hoping that we're going to give you these documents and the RCMP, they've got tools to go after these documents. You don't have to. Well, why don't you just let the RCMP do their job is what they're saying, the liberals. Now keep in mind the RCMP is right on with the back office of the office of the PM. Okay. So it's, it's running out of that. And Brian already proved that. Okay. Yes. And Stephen Harper was aware of that. And that's why Stephen Harper passed anti-cartel legislation was the last piece of legislation he was able to get through anti-cartel legislation. Now that would be nice if the OPP could do that, but you know, there are no cartels in Ontario. So the law does not apply. Obviously you see something's gone wrong with them and the RCMP need these documents. And guess what? I've got them. I've got the documents that they want. And I got documents to show how many people are into digital land registers. Here's an Osterwaard charm. You see? Okay. And his, his was 12, 12 property titles. And so my question to the bankers, where's the Canada Revenue Agency? When these people have all gotten gains of $30 billion over the last 10 years, where's our commissioner of the Canada Revenue Agency? Why are they not knocking on the door of the Law Society of Upper Canada and asking Diana Miles, the CEO president therein, whether they could gain access to all of the investigations that the Law Society has done, including Philomena Tassi's and Oscar Wong Chung and Ira Howard Greenspoon of Hamilton. That is the most important case that anybody can look up because it's on the internet. The Law Society decided that this guy's crimes were so egregious, they're going to put his onto the internet. So his is sitting alongside of another winner of this kind of system. And her name is Caroline Cunningham. Karen Rosalie Caroline Cunningham. It's her name. Karen Rosalie Caroline Cunningham of Mississauga. And she was a 15 title winner, you see. And there's a U.S. website that has published all of these people's names because they received names from people like me up here in Canada to warn our American friends south of the border that this is what happens here in Canada, you see. And so we know that the FBI go after these criminals in the United States, like here in Ontario, you know, have the OPP commissioner, you know, right? So conflict of interest with the Green Belt. [Will Dove] (47:22 - 47:50) So the causes for optimism are twofold. One, we now have opposition MPs asking hard questions about where $30 billion went. How come we have a foreign controlled land registry in Ontario and Manitoba that is systematically stealing properties from landowners and laundering the money? And two, you have the documentation to nail their asses to the wall. [Martin McDermott] (47:51 - 50:36) Exactly. I do have the documentation that will nail these people's asses to the wall, will embarrass the RCMP beyond, you know, or not the RCMP so much, but especially the OPP. And the reason why I say this is this is most remarkable. See, I'm very generous with my time. I really do look for opportunities to help people. And when my brother-in-law came to me and told me the situation of the kids down in the Dominican Republic, that they're burning kerosene for lighting to study, to study in the evenings, when the sun goes down, they burn kerosene and started many fires and they've had many injuries. And I said, well, why don't you take some of that LED lighting down there with a charging system of small sealed lead acid batteries that the children could take home from school where the charging station is. And it's a foolproof system with a jig and such so they can't be reversed and have explosions or anything like that. Basically hook it up to your lighting at home and now you've got 24-hour lighting, no battery or more, you see. And then bring it back to school the next day and charge it out. The battery will last a week, over the last week, you charge it up. So anyhow, I was asked if I would do this presentation for the DREAMS charity of filamine metastases. And so my brother-in-law printed a little discussion thing here. And you see my proposal down there. LED lighting business. Martin McDevitt. Oh geez, somebody didn't show up at this. Yes, filamine metastases. And there was the agenda and the other people who did presentations there. One was to get a grader down there into this small town called Okola where a Father Lou had his religious network. And Father Lou, when I did this presentation, and a guy went down there from Jake, who's up here on the screen, he took some documents down. And Father Lou didn't go for that deal. See. And so my engineering and giving everything to Jake to go down there and, you know, to meet the Father Lou and see if this is going to work for him. Didn't even produce a result, you see. And so then I knew that all the money for filamine metastases sent down to the Dominican Republic Education and Medical Support is nothing. Right. [Will Dove] (50:36 - 50:39) None of it's actually getting to these kids to help them. [Martin McDermott] (50:39 - 54:05) Yeah. So here's the case. I went and met, tried to meet Mr. Trudeau when he came off his bus back in 2015. That's my cousin there. We got a Hamilton police officer taking the picture of me. And this last small package of papers in my hands would have been enough for the Prime Minister then to hand the date, 2015, for his own federal election. And there's the date. September 13th, 2015. Hamilton police prohibited me from going into that rally. And so Hamilton police were dispatched to filamine metastases constituency office in 2016. And they gave me a trespassing ticket, which I had several court cases. We went in the court and the judge finally figured out that this is so big, what was happening in his courtroom. He had to convict me to make sure that this was going to go to appeal. Well, I didn't appeal it. You see, I didn't have to appeal it. I paid my $65. I got so much data from now to then, from court cases going through the lawyers and prosecutors trying to figure out how are they going to spin this. Antio Kaputa, who is on filamine metastases list here, was the one who called the police for me when I went into her campaign headquarters and, there's not a campaign constituency office, and told them to call the police. I've got some documents here in the bag that are relevant to her international money laundering. And of course, nothing was done. The police came, wrote me up a ticket right away, and then lied on the stand to say that he came in the office and met me in the office. No, no. As soon as the police showed up, I walked right out of her constituency office there and met them outside. So he started their whole story, total fabrication, the police officer. And it was, it was actually very funny because I had a full courtroom, full. I'd like everybody to witness it. And many people from this group called Ontario Landowners Association. Protecting your property rights. Join today, everybody. Look it up. They just launched a new website and it's fantastic. They will be interviewing me soon. I've held back from them because they're the most authoritative voice for property rights in this country. Okay. Ontario Landowners Associations are branches all across the province. And now we're connecting with the Kickley group and others to stop more of this invasion of the United Nations into our municipalities. Okay. That's where the United Nations just goes over the back of your federal and your provincial leaders and drop themselves in the back rooms of your ministry officers and are now collecting checks from the taxpayers of paying something called property. Right. [Will Dove] (54:06 - 54:08) Martin, how long have you been working to expose this corruption? [Martin McDermott] (54:09 - 56:12) Okay. I started in 2008. That's in February when I first printed my mother's land registry document, which was just here. I just picked it up a short while ago. And anyhow, the document was absolutely laughable when I looked at it. I walked up to the front desk. I said, what's this? And the lady at the front said, oh, that's your land title document. I said, no, it's not. What I want is the working documents. Who is the real estate agent? Oh, it looks like there isn't. You see, all the documents, get this Will, this is how the system is set up. All of the documents from sales and transactions are to be kept in the lawyer's office. None of this is kept in the central registry. So the police can go to one place and pull all the documents relevant to one transaction. They can't do that. The system is segmented in a way that I'm saying the evil of these people is so clever, you see, to have segmented this system, broken it down. And I'm not educating any law enforcement whatsoever. And Agustino Russo is bitten his nails down right to the cuticles now. And he's all worried because I told him through Kenton Bradbury of Omer's pension fund. That's the man who's in charge at Omer's who owns Ontario and Manitoba's land registry under a contract. And Kenton Bradbury said to me on the phone, he believes, well, anything can be better. Anything can be better. You see, and that's what I said, I want to better the land registry software. Well, anything can be better. But when you've got one stonewaller, Agustino Russo, you can't get past that one guy. And every police, every minister, every, maybe even every priest is afraid to go up to him, you see, because he's the big man. [Will Dove] (56:13 - 56:26) So on the public service side, we have an intentionally fragmented system, which makes it almost impossible to pull together the documents that you need. But on the private Teranet side, it's a big data set that has everything. [Martin McDermott] (56:26 - 58:01) And they can control everything in one place. Yeah, that's where I say that once they figure out the know how to work, you know, Teranet's pretty much a one stop shopping if you're looking for evidence to mortgage fraud. And I dropped Agustino Russo's emails and all the linked MPPs that were part of this, and even MP Philomene's hashing got linked on the last few of them, when I was busting his balls back in 2018. Like really hard. And it started in 2013, when I got into making my application to the Land Titles Assurance Fund. The Land Titles Assurance Fund is the Ontario government's guarantee of the last resort to get something fixed when somebody's been wronged by some fraud on the registry. And so the Director of Titles, Jeffrey Lamb, got fought against Agustino Russo by myself. And so I placed him up against Agustino Russo, that is the Director of Titles, to fight Agustino Russo for the data, make sure that we can get that data, that is the sales agreement, for example, signed by my mother. Any sales agreement? Hiring the lawyer? Any signatures? No, nothing. Right. So we know that there are documents to recover in some instances, and the RCMP is going to have to acknowledge that. There are no documents. [Will Dove] (58:02 - 58:21) Now, you've obviously become quite the expert in their tactics over the last 16 years. So could we finish up by having you give our viewers, especially those who are in Ontario and Manitoba, a guide to who is at risk and how they can protect themselves? [Martin McDermott] (58:23 - 1:01:17) Okay, I'll tell you who's at risk. Numbers first. Seniors. Any senior who has paid off their property, burnt their mortgages, like my parents did at one time, and then think that they owe nothing more to the bank. Then they find out somebody's got a mortgage on their property. Then the bank says, well, you'd have to prove that you didn't put this mortgage on the property to these third-party criminals. And you can't do that. So you have to hire a lawyer to prove that you didn't have anything to do with this, and then eventually they realize you didn't have anything to do with this. The bank insures that mortgage, and they have something called title insurance now. And they'll send you the video on the title insurance, because that's the most astounding thing where this psychopath is talking about title insurance and how you need to buy it, because there's people who are getting access to a very sophisticated fraud. And it's not a sophisticated fraud at all. It's very, very simple. I've shown people how to do five different types of fraud on this system, and it's not people who would do it. You see, I would never show a criminal to do something like this. I've always shown honest people how this fraud is done. And so what I'm saying, what your people can do, everybody watching this, pick up the phone, call your MPP, because it's Ontario, and tell them you saw me, and you want an explanation for that $30 billion of ill-gotten gains. Because up in Ottawa, they're not looking for that $30 billion. They're looking for $9 billion. Okay, or $8 billion. I can't remember exactly what they're looking for, but $8 or $9 billion. And that went out the door in a very tight time period. And the half a million dollars went to a company called PowerCorp. And PowerCorp is bent on privatizing as many public services as they can under private-public partnerships. That's their objective. And they make a lot of money from those kinds of initiatives, as does the Elmer's Pension Fund. And I want to note as well that if anybody can get through to the president at Opshu, then I will show them that I have images of Smokey Thomas running away from me. Past president of Opshu was confronted in 2019 by me out in London, and then again in the federal election, and he ran from me in 2015 again. You see, Opshu is involved in this. [Will Dove] (1:01:18 - 1:01:44) Yes. Now, here in Alberta, and I'm going to assume it's the same in Ontario, if you've paid off your mortgage, you have no debts left on your home, you can go to LandTitles and you can get a clear copy of title. But if I'm understanding correctly, what you're saying is, that's not going to help you because of the fraudulent methods by which they're using to put mortgages on that property without the knowledge of the owner, after the fact, so they can have that clear title and it means nothing. [Martin McDermott] (1:01:45 - 1:03:01) That's right. And when you have judges that don't know how to interpret those documents, they can be told in the courtroom that this is how you look at this document. And that's the defendant, you see. And the person who was the rightful owner of that property, well, if he didn't have a good lawyer, like a Jim Sweetlove, Philomena Tassi's lawyer that she hired to go against me. So I did a deep dive into her attorney, Jim Sweetlove, and I found them to be party to another group of a Michael Bordner, and I don't want to risk this one. The Law Society threw me a lawyer when they couldn't complete Philomena Tassi's investigation, and so this lawyer at the time, his name is Michael Borden. And Michael Borden, I'm just going to leave this down enough so that your people can just stop and pause and read this. You'll see that Michael Borden ends this with, if you feel agreed by the Law Society, you can't do anything about it, basically is what he's saying. Michael Borden is originally appointed as a 2002 Superior Court Judge of Ontario. [Will Dove] (1:03:02 - 1:03:10) So quite frankly, Martin, the only answer to this problem is to go after our elected representatives and get this tear net system shut down. [Martin McDermott] (1:03:11 - 1:06:53) Shut down, deprivatized, back to Ontario, all the documentation, and we do a deep dive into the Law Society of Upper Canada's documents, procure them, RCMP, and then I will show you an AI program outline script that I already developed years ago and said, we can do this, Ontario. Yes, we can. We can have cartel, we can have fraternity finder Philomena Tassi, all your fraternity members of the St. Thomas More Lawyers Guild's Red Mass is going into a data set. And then we will find what's called Bully Finder, the most effective software AI ever proposed to the government to find out who is making people in the back rooms of government offices do their bidding. The bully. There's a bully in every ministry, and I know how to find them. Their opposition to the minister responsible for tearing that was a Mr. Jagmeet Singh. And so there at 1pm on the 31st of January, after I met with her, and she gave me Jagmeet Singh's email, and I contacted Jagmeet, let him know that I met with Andrea Horwath, and she's asked me to meet you. And then when we met him to go down and show him some of the documents just from his bag, Jagmeet was not available. He didn't show up. And I went down to the Grand River Mohawk to show that they got a problem with tearing that as well. And they brought it to us. And I brought it to them, what I found out about tearing that. And so we started working together, because that's what people do. And so why did I go to them? Because I found, you see, forever man won't sell Haldeman track land. 149 Sour Springs Road is native territory. And I found the argument in 1845, that they were still arguing for Mount Pleasant to be included in their so called new territory. They were being consolidated and told to act as a separate body, one body from the rest of community of Brantford, and the day will go across the other side of the river, and they would live there. Grand River Mohawk and the Six Nations would be segmented, separated from the rest of society. And they would try and work out their problems themselves. Keep the what you call settlers and squatters off of their land, which were six miles on each side of the Grand River. If anybody wants that history, they won that six miles in the American Revolution. They came in on the side of the British, and they won their six miles, because that was the offer before they went into the war. Okay, you see? And so now we know that it's these people who are in control, St. Thomas More Lawyers Guild. And I found evidence of that back in 1796, because I think there was a letter that came from a Samuel Peters to a Joseph Brant, Captain Joseph Brant then. And he told them that the people who you think are in control are not in control. Right? [Will Dove] (1:06:53 - 1:07:28) Now, you're working on a documentary, you're working on tying all this stuff into a neat package, all the evidence that you've got. I realize you don't quite have all of that together yet. But now that we've made this progress, now that we have elected representatives asking hard questions about where all this money is going, and we know that you have the evidence that they need to show where it's going, what resources could you provide to the viewers, especially those in Ontario and Manitoba, so that they can go to their elected representatives and say, look, this is what's happening, and this is what needs to be done? [Martin McDermott] (1:07:28 - 1:09:48) The most compelling is this first communications that came from the people of Real Data Ontario. And it was when they were asked simply from the Ministry of Consumer and Commercial Relations to offer an analysis, a focused market analysis, and other stuff of the technical capacities. And so I have all of your communications with ministry people, that is Real Data Ontario people. So get scared, you guys, because I am coming to put all of this onto the internet at some point, so that everybody will read about these people. And our overseas contingent investors and shareholders have already expressed willingness to extend all possible assistance to RDO Consortium and the Strategic Alliance, which is Royal Bank of Canada and SNC, by the way, and the Strategic Alliance in promoting the interest of Ontario-based land registry information service expertise in Europe, the Arabian Gulf countries, and some other Middle East countries. That's what you need to take to your government. Paul Polango wrote the story up. Muhammad Al Zaibak thought he could sue him. Muhammad Al Zaibak lost his bid to get Paul Polango censored. And I have a picture of Muhammad Al Zaibak, screen scraped from the CBC's Fifth Estate. And the guys in the back room at the CBC's Fifth Estate said to me, if you want, we'll help you get the subpoena to release that video. So a subpoena to release that video would be the end of Muhammad Al Zaibak and his parent company. Yeah, I assure you. Well, I want to show the images of people like Mario Sergio, Minister for Seniors, who wrote me a fairly long email in response to my emails to him. And he was on point. He understood what was going on. You see, but that doesn't mean anything yet. You see? Right. When you see that your government really isn't focused on fixing anything to do with this problem. [Will Dove] (1:09:50 - 1:10:04) Okay. So, Martin, thank you so much for your diligent work for 16 years you've been at this. But you're making progress. We're getting there. And I'm going to love to see it when it happens, to see this whole corrupt system collapse. [Martin McDermott] (1:10:04 - 1:11:37) Well, I want to see the OPP complete one case. And that is Thomas Acton's family farm thefts. I did more research on that with the evidence that Henry Wilmot handed me. And he's a great man. And this is a bit of his writing here. And it's quite remarkable that this guy, Henry Wilmot, a real estate agent, who sold this Irish immigrant family the farms, wrote up everything. And then I took that and put it into text because his writing was hard to read. And then I had him review it. And he made a few more changes to it. And then we typed it up again, Eleanor and I. And it's really great because his story is the facts. And the OPP's information that they sent off to an Irish lawyer is totally fake and falsified information. And so I want to say Section 128 is what is required for OPP who have investigated any of these land registry frauds and abandoned them, that they are guilty of destruction of evidence. I've got two USB drives that I gave Detective Daniel Twyngham back in 2017. And he still hasn't responded. Occasionally, I call up their Frank County OPP and I get forwarded to his voicemail that has yet to be set up. [Will Dove] (1:11:38 - 1:11:50) Right. What a surprise. All right. Now, Martin, just before we close out, did you have anything else that you feel the viewers really need to know at this point in time? Anything that I haven't covered? [Martin McDermott] (1:11:51 - 1:12:20) Yes. The most important thing for viewers to know is that title insurance is the biggest fraud the government has allowed Oggy's Venture Capital to run on you. Title insurance can't be real for you because you only insure things that you own and you don't own your data in Ontario's fake digital land register. You don't own your data, so why would you insure it? [Will Dove] (1:12:21 - 1:12:37) Right. Okay. Martin, thank you so much for your time, for your dedication to this issue. And I know I speak for the viewers when I say we're all going to be waiting with bated breath to see when all of this comes home to roost, especially when the videos come out, and it's extraordinarily laughable.