Will Dove  00:06 I have the pleasure today to have with me in my studio, Maxine Bernier, the leader of the People's Party of Canada. Maxine, it's a real pleasure to have you. Thank you very much for giving me that opportunity. And I'm very pleased to be with you. Thank you. So my first question you have for yourself, the Albertan, from Quebec? What do you mean by that?   Maxime Bernier  00:25 The first step, I must say that I didn't call myself like that it all started in a piece in the global mail couple of years ago, when I was a conservative minister. And, you know, I was fighting for real conservative ideas and more free markets and a big deregulation the federal level, and the journalists wrote, you know, Bernie is speaking like an Albertan. And he is the Albertan, from Quebec. And I'm, I use that after that. I said, Yes, is right. For once a JAMA, this was right about me. And I said, Yes, and the Albertan, from Quebec, because we are sharing the same ideas, that same vision for a smaller government in Ottawa that will respect provincial jurisdictions. And that would give more autonomy to Alberta, in every province across the country. So I was proud of that title, the Albertan, from Quebec. Alright, and I appreciate that very much. Because we get to know Buddha, we tend to be very focused on fiscal responsibility.   Will Dove  01:28 Yeah. And you've served in a number of cabinet positions that are related to finance your background and finance law before you became a politician. And so I have to ask you, what's your opinion of Troodos financial policies?   Maxime Bernier  01:41 That's, that's a shame. That's a disaster. You know, what he's doing what he's doing to the economy, as you know, we will be in a recession soon. If we are not right now. The inflation is, you know, at record was at a record record level. And now it's still more than 2%. And inflation is a tax as you know, a hidden tax instead of taxing us and taking our money. The federal government is telling us, you can keep your money in your own pockets, but you won't be able to, to buy the same amount of goods and services with that money. So and all these huge deficits that Trudeau did, you know, Trudeau is doing like his father did in the 1970s, a huge deficit, huge debt. And he said at that time, when he created the deficit, it's okay, because the interest rate is very low. But that's not the case anymore. And as you know, when Trudeau started the these huge deficit, a couple of years ago, the interest on our debt was around $25 billion. But $25 billion, is a lot of money, that is almost the budget of our national defense. So now with the interest rate, at this level, around 5%, at the interest that we are paying every year on our debt, will be this year, about $38 billion. So we cannot afford that. And Trudeau is spending, like, you know, the money is coming from the sky. We are broke as a country. And what I don't like also is giving Canadian part of our budget and our money to other countries and international organization. So opposition in the PPC, and it's to cut the budget to balance the budget. And we can do that in one year. But he know you have the conservative and creative and the conservative are supposed to be fiscally responsible. But paneer won't, won't say that he will balance the budget in one year. And he won't do it. Because if he's doing that he will have to cut and you know, he doesn't want to have the discussion. So then we're going to do all the same about the the economy and the budget. If you want to real change. We are the only political party that will do that. And speaking for a smaller government that will respect the people and our rights and the the autonomy of every province. So what Trudeau is doing for the economy is destroying the economy and is, you know, we is also destroying the middle class in our country. So we must go back to real sound fiscal policy, and adding the the courage of having that discussion nationally. And we are ready to have that discussion. And do you see things getting any better under Trudeau Government or do you think somebody just keep going downhill from here? Absolutely. You know, what, there's no there's no goal to balance a budget, and we're going to have more deficit and when you have more deficit in interest rates will go higher, and we'll have more inflation. Now the inflation is around that 2.8, something like that percent. But you know, it will go up again, and, and it's hurting everybody. And it's hurting the poor also, you know, the inflation can be globally around 2.8. But for grocery, if you go to your grocery, that's 9% inflation there. So and because of the interest rate right now, for a mortgage, it's doubled the costs. So we need to stop that. And the only way to stop that is to balance the budget, cutting the federal government budget, nothing deferring financial jurisdiction going tight, lowering taxes to everybody. That's opposition on the economy. And what about immigration and how that's going to affect things. Immigration is affecting everything starting by housing prices, renting, also, in our country, renting an apartment is very expensive. In big cities, you have more people. And you know, last year, we added more than 1 million newcomers in this country, if you add the immigrants, plus the foreign workers, plus also the front students, it's about a million people. We are a small country of 30 million people, a million people every year, we cannot afford that. All these people need a roof. And that's why we have an obsolete us in crisis in this country. And then we're and then the Liberals are saying no, it's not because of the immigration, it's because of we need to build more houses. But they won't be able to do that we need to have at least 350,000 new houses every year in this country to do that. And we're not able to achieve half of that. So the real solution is to have sustainable immigration, we are the only national political body that is speaking about that. So that's having an impact on prices or renting housing prices, all that is going up cross also healthcare. He know as Canadians, you have to wait for surgeries in this country a couple of months, our system is not working health care system is not working. And you have these one on 1 million people every year in this country. And they will have we need to take care of them, they will have to use our health care services. And actually, it won't do it will happen. Look what the Premier of Ontario said, he said, you know, we cannot afford more refugees in war. So we need to have the discussion. But the conservative won't speak about that. Because their goal is to have more support in big liberal cities like Toronto, there's more seats around Toronto than in all Alberta. And that's why per year is going to the left, and polyether is taking you vote here in Alberta in Western Canada for granted.   08:05 In for him, you know, if you're a conservative candidate of the general election, you may be able to win with 60 or 65% of the vote. So paneer is saying to his candidates, you will win with 50% of the vote. I know that your people won't like our policy. But you know, we need to have more support in the big cities to be able to be in power. So for the conservative, that's why I'm saying the conservatives, and the Liberals are the same. It's the lead con party, we have the only real conservative free markets common sense alternative. And that's why I believe that the Canadians need our voice, and we need their support. Now, I want to get back to the economy and immigration in a minute. But you mentioned Pierre Polya, a couple of times. And some of my viewers are very concerned about polio, that he may not be what he appears to be, yeah, that he could indeed be a wolf in sheep's clothing. There's concerns about his wife's association with the World Economic Forum. What is your opinion of pure Polly of not as a politician, but as Canadian? Well, first, I must say that PR per diem is a very good communicator.   Maxime Bernier  09:18 And it's all about slogan and focus group. And his only goal now is to be put here was speaking like a conservative. And when I know people Yeah, I was with him when I was a conservative. And at that time, he was a bit conservative with free market ideas. And he did run on that platform as a politician for winning the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada. And he did when he was speaking I could conservative but now his goal is to be Prime Minister of Canada, and because we are living in a socialist era is speaking like a leftist and he will do that. So for me the real Chiappa yev is the one that We are seeing right now and we are going to discover during the next general election. But pm per year is a career politician, you must understand that pm per year have never had a real job. You know, he was elected the first time at 25 years old. And now he is 43. I was addicted at 42 years old, I worked 19 years in the private sector in the financial sector in Montreal. And I'm not a career politician, but is. So that's why is like Trudeau and the Liberals because you know, what about for him, the most important is to have support in big cities. And that's why it doesn't have any principles, the only principle that he has is to be elected. For us, we are doing politics based on ideas and our principles. And we know if the more we speak about it, the more popular it will become. But for Pierre pourriez, he will tell you what you want to hear. And he may do the opposite he elected. So that's why you know, there's a by election here in Calgary, every stage our candidate carried around says there is our left and and for Western Canada, is the face of the party, the voice of the party, and is running in that by election. And I believe I was with him today. And I believe that we can do well, we can do very well. He's a great candidate ready to fight. And he's saying, you know, that people's body is your insurance policy for you Western Canadians, because Kelly, and the PPC will put per year and push per year in the right direction. And I believe that, you know, we can be like the NDP, the NDP is pushing the devolved to the left. And that's why we have a socialist government in Canada right now. And we can do the same thing we can. And I believe that Kenny will support per year, when he will act as a conservative, when he won't, we will shame him. So it's a win win. And we are we are going to bring and so he will bring   12:08 real conservative values real discussion in Ottawa, like, aren't our rights, like fighting for Western Canada, speaking about the equalization formula that is unfair when you have won't speak about that. So we can bring a new debate in a new debate in Ottawa, that would be important for Western Canadians, but also for all Canadians. I want to get back to the economy, because in 2016, you got attacked by mainstream media, where they took something that you said out of context, and you said that Canada has less freedom than China, but you were speaking about economic freedom, not political freedom. And they took that to mean political freedom. So first, I want to ask what you meant by that statement, not less having less economic freedom and whether or not you think it's gotten worse in the last few years? Because that was seven years ago. Yeah. And so I just want to leave that on the record. I didn't say something like that what I said, I said China was able to become Richard, because they had more free markets. And and that's why they develop a middle class shows. So it's really a drop. So once again, mainstream videos simply misquoting you aren't. So you didn't say that? No, absolutely. I appreciate it is right on your Wikipedia page nine? It's in quotations as though you actually said that. No, actually, when I said, I said that, to China is a communist country. And you know, other free market guy, I believe in democracy, I believe in freedom. But China was able to develop a middle class, giving more freedom, and more private,   Maxime Bernier  13:43 more private services. But China is not a free economy on this thing. But the economy in China is freer than it was one I'm good years ago. And that's why they were able to develop middle class with it. But economically right now in China, it's not going so well. and Canada is doing better than China for sure. So so, you know, I was delivering a speech and I said that when I was a conservative speaking about free market economy, and it's always good to give more freedom to people and I think a few less government intervention in your day to day life you'll have more freedom. And we almost free here then then in in China and we were also always but what I said I compared that that there's a society in China one good years ago when that they had a tough communist control on the population and on the economy, on the economy at that time. And now you have more freedom, like you know, on Kong on Kong, he's part of China and it's there's more freedom over the air so there is more economic development. But our goal is to be freer, one of the freest countries in the world. And we are we are going down we are going in the opposite direction, with the total   15:00 Afternoon. So I want to ask about your own political views, because I would describe you like myself as a libertarian. Yeah, those who don't own the economy? Absolutely. Yeah. For those who don't know what a libertarian is, it's someone who believes in absolute minimum government and maximum personal rights and responsibilities. Yeah, but I just want to add, that's why, when we created the People's Party of Canada, we created that based on four principles, and the first two principles are individual freedom. You know, it's important when you speak about freedom, you must add individual freedom, that you must be free to decide what you want to do with your own body, for example, that's why I said during the COVID, hysteria, everybody must be free to decide if they want the shot or not, with the informed consent. And you know, and so our first principle, individual freedom, but whether you're free, you have some responsibility, and personal responsibility, you must be responsible of your own actions, the good ones and the bad ones. So that's the two first principles. And after that respect and fairness, and yes, on the economy, the more the board, the small group garden that you add, the more freedom the individual will have, and the more prosperity we will have as a country. Right. Now, some people might think that the People's Party of Canada doesn't have much chance of forming government in this country, but I would disagree. In 2019, you got 1.6%, the popular vote Yeah. 2021 get 5%. Yeah. And Trudeau didn't actually do all that great himself, I think I think his percentage wasn't that very high. So it could it could happen. I would like to see it happen. Yeah. So if the People's Party was to form government in this country,   Maxime Bernier  16:45 the issue that I've seen is that you've got, and we were, and I'm doing this in the context of what we're just talking about, of those libertarian values of rights and responsibilities. But we've got a country that for decades now has been programmed to think in a socialist manner. Absolutely. And so my question would be, how would you end the People's Party of Canada, try to shift the mindset Canadians into understanding what we were just talking about? Like your question, because if the People's Party of Canada is in government, it is because we were about to succeed. It's because our ideas are all vastly supported by the population. It's because we would have won the cultural war and the war on ideas. If I'm in government, it's because I'm seeing the same thing in the people's bought, you will have always the same platform. So go on our website, People's Party of candidates see a real platform is just saying one at every election, so if I'm in government, is because I have to match our vote to shift the majority on our side, that so that means it won't be a problem. Because I will be able to, to do what I want to do as as the leader of a political party, because I will have the legitimacy to do it speaking about it, and people will know that, oh, if you vote for Bernie, you will have that. So the challenge is today, the challenge is how can I become, you know, the leader of the opposition, or prime minister? It's doing that cultural revolution, that economic revolution, that peaceful revolution, that common sense revolution, and that's why we are going you're right, when we go to the parties that will percent, maybe at the next election, we'll have 10% I don't know. But we will grill. And I believe that people who decided to vote for us in 2019, they wouldn't stay with us. And they stay I believe that they stayed with us at our election in 2021. Because it's all about ideas. If you believe in our ideas, we don't have the need. And we are the only political body that is speaking about these freedom ideas, you won't be able to go in to vote for another party, we are the only one. So I believe that if we formed the covenant, we'll have the legitimacy to do what we are doing. But you're right by saying right now, we are living in a socialist era. That's why third year we speaking like a liberal and a socialist, because his goal is to be in government now. Right now, my goal is to change the public opinion, because I believe that the public opinion has been manipulated by the leftist media, by the by the leftists and and the CBC and agile Canada. And we had the best example of that during COVID-19. The propaganda coming from the government in the media. So I believe that when Canadian we're asking for more draconian measures during COVID-19 It's because of fear and propaganda. And I believe that they were wrong, and I wanted to tell them you need freedom. It's better than You'll think security that the state is telling you. So but but yeah, I was thinking Yep, was it? So that's why but yeah to try to be Prime Minister right now, and he doesn't try to that's one issue I've probably ever gotten it. He will be that the liberals. But if we are there, maybe not in government. But if we can add one in five or six that an candidate elected me we need may be able to do that the NDP and push but yet in the right direction. There's a movement in our country to define the CBC. But of course, not just them. Trudeau is government shirt gave them $1.4 billion, and they give hundreds of millions to the other mainstream media outlets as well. Do you think that that's something that government should be doing funding the media? No, absolutely not? No, yes, defund the CBC and also all the the money to do gave about $500 million to the media, you know, global mail and all these legacy media. And we will stop that we will stop that will save a lot of money, but also tell the enemy speaking now about defunding the CDC. But what PDF does not say is that four heads you can die in French. I do bad, I will keep the money coming from the federal government, you want contracts, you can die in French, because the Vatican is more popular in Quebec. And so is, is bad for me said I will deform the CBC only, but we will be following it. Only the CBC, CBC, radio Canada and CTV and all of these medias, we want the media to be independent. And not the government must not give money, the media, you know, when that happened, they are the propaganda arms of the government, like during COVID-19, you have only one narrative. And the funding was was a big example of why we we had that you were turning, you know, to TV on CTV or to Canada or CBC during COVID-19. And it was the same thing everywhere, because they received a lot of money from the government, and a lot of money coming from the advertising from the government. So I know for us, the media has been subpoenaed, and if they're going bankrupt, that's okay. I'm okay with that. CDC will have to find money from the viewers. And if they don't change, they won't add any money and they won't go bankrupt. And I'm okay with that. Now, you can't talk about everything that we've been talking about without mentioning as you have several times COVID-19. Yeah. You went to demonstrations, find got arrested. Other people, other politicians told you don't go. But you went anyway. Yeah. Why? Because it was too important to as a Polish as the leader of a national party. That was before general election, and I had a strong message for Canadians, and we are living in a free country, and was able to be free and to speak about what I believe, you know, that's my country. And I said No, when the when the Manitoba government said, Bernie, you're not welcome in our province. And if you come, you know, I think the premier has said something like that you will pay you have fewer, less money in your in your pockets. If you're coming to Manitoba before the election. And as a leader of a national party, my role was to build an organization all across the country. And I did that. And, you know, I did a nutter rally the meeting outside in a park with I believe 12 person at that time and the other unconstitutional illegal regulation, saying that during that time, you didn't have the right to be more than 10% outside in a park. And we were 12. And I was the only one that was fined. I was the only one that was arrested and cuffed and put in jail for trip 12 hours. That was political repression. And that happened in our country. So I said, I will always fight for what I believe and I paid the price. And actually, if if, if they are imposing other draconian measures like that, in the future, I will always fight for Canadians. That's part of our Constitution. You got it. It's illegal, unconstitutional to do what they did during COVID-19 and causing a vaccine passport stay at home orders lock downs, and curfew in Montreal, that was illegal and unconstitutional. You can still burn you're not right saying that because, you know, I we challenged it that in in front, the court in court, and we didn't win, but an ethylene a decision coming from the federal court with the former Premier of Newfoundland Brian pictured on the vaccine passport, because I didn't have the right to travel across the country because I decided not to take the shot. So and we didn't win, but we are at the lane that   Will Dove  25:05 that will be this fall at the federal appeals court. And I will appeal that up to the Supreme Court of Canada, because I believe that my interpretation of the Constitution is the right one. Absolutely. So we've reached a delicate point. Because while there's many people who watch my show, who agree that the COVID policies were unnecessary and an absolutely draconian, there's a smaller percentage who agree with and I'm going to put up my own opinion here, because I don't want to put you on the spot yet. And talk about climate alarmism. And I've come laid out and said, it's nothing but a control, profit driven agenda based on bad data, bad science and outright lies. But it's also regardless of what your own opinion of it might be been financially ruinous and continues to be. Where do you see that taking us if that's allowed to continue?   Maxime Bernier  25:58 That's why you know, all that started with the UN and the Paris accord. And we are the only party that would withdraw from the Paris accord. I believe, you know, the climate is always changing, and will always change, but there's no climate emergency. And they try to use fear right now they use that fear during COVID-19 to impose draconian measures. And now the new COVID is the climate change, and they try to use fear, you know, this summer is a very nice summer, because the Canada, it's very odd, and they're saying, oh, you know, they try to use that saying, we must do more against climate change. So we don't we don't buy that narrative. And like you said, it's bad science. It's computer, you know, when you put that on your computer, wrong data, you will have a wrong report. And you know, that's and there's no consensus on that they will try to impose you are there's a consensus, it's like COVID-19, only one narrative that virus is doing for everybody. That was not true, the virus was the de for older people with comorbidities that sit, the virus was not deadly for the majority of the population. So now with climate change, you're saying, Oh, it's very dangerous, we must do something, we must kill all oil and oil and gas industry here in Alberta in Western Canada, we won't, we won't do it, we won't do anything about climate. And if you don't like what I'm seeing about that, just don't vote for us. I'm going to circle back just for a minute to COVID-19, based on some things you just said, all of the policies that people went along with, and they're so based upon fear yet, and something I've maintained it as if our government has spent a fraction of the money on educating the populace that they did on enforcing these policies, we would have come through this unscathed. What do you think of a government's responsibility to educate the people in the face of those kinds of narratives? You're absolutely right about what you're seeing right now. Like in Florida, you had a politician, the sentence that decided to educate the population, and with some expert, he was very transparent, and told them the truth. And you know, Florida was a disaster during COVID-19. And if you know, and I believe that, you know, that in Florida, the average age of the population is not 20 years old. And they were able to be successful, combating   Will Dove  28:31 COVID-19. So that kind of politician and that kind of response to COVID-19 was the right one. And I and to do the opposite. You know, what, and also the Conservatives supported the other point of view, the sheer and propaganda and imposing more control. And I believe that the other solution would have been to read the real one and successful, but they didn't want to do that. And it all across the country in every province, and also a difficult level. But the best answer to COVID-19 was what the sentence did in Florida. I'd like to return to immigration that we were discussing earlier. Yeah. Because there's a problem that I proceed with immigration. Our country has been around a lot longer than Justin Trudeau is Liberal Party is. We bring people into the country, as some of them have qualifications. Just yesterday, I took an Uber ride with a man from India. He's been here for four years. He works in his brother in law's liquor store during the day he drives an Uber the rest of the time. He has a law degree. Why does our government not allow these immigrants who are highly qualified some doctors, lawyers, engineers, to practice what they can do in Acha? Because here's the problem. As you mentioned earlier, we've got this huge amount of immigration from people who are struggling just to feed themselves. We have a housing crisis. They can't afford to buy houses, which means that they're not going to be in a position   Maxime Bernier  30:00 To be really contributing members to our economy, and yet we're crippling them by preventing them from practicing the thing that they've studied to do. So on English, and it's happening also for Canadians, you know, a nurse in Montreal cannot work as a nurse in BC. You know, if you're a nurse, you must be able to be a nurse all across the country. That's happening also for Canadian, some Canadians cannot work in their profession in other provinces. So we must, we must solve that and a nurse in BC must be able to be a nurse in, in Montreal all across the country. But that being said, on immigration, if you look at that number 75% of all immigrants on that scale immigrants, or economic immigrants as Killiney granted is a person that will come here in Canada because a Canadian entrepreneur wasn't able to find a Canadian for that job. And that person will come here with a job, only 25% of our immigrants 25% of all 465,000 immigrants who came in Canada last year, were in that skill 20 25% were skilled immigrants or economic immigrants, we need more of that we 75% of them are, you know, reunification of family. So if you're a skilled immigrant, you have the right to come with your family. But now the definition of family for the conservative and the liberal is not the immediate family has been wife and kids know, the definition of family is the huge family, your brothers, your sisters, your grandma, your granddad, so they can come in, and they are coming here, but we don't have any jobs for them, right. So we need to have more skilled immigrants because that person will have a job. And if you have a job, when you when you are in a new country, you are about to integrate and be part of the society easily. We want to assure people that we want to take care, take care, take care of them. And now that's not what is happening. So yes, we must have more skilled immigrants and a person that is coming here that is Dr. Mullis Be bold to work as a doctor after Yeah, we must, that person must have to pass through some exam to be sure that, you know, but if you're a doctor with from UK approval over there, it must be easy to be re approved here in Canada. But it's happening because it's under provincial jurisdictions, and but the federal government bus, you know,   32:33 immigration is under the federal government control jurisdictions. So we must be able to have people that will come here, and they will be able to work in the profession. Yes, I agree with that. But first, we must help Canadians that are you still have nurses in Ontario, that cannot work as a nurse right now. Right, they must be able to, to work. So I don't know if this is the case in Australia anymore. But I know for the longest time their immigration policy was such that you either had to have a job already. Yeah. Or you had to have a skill that we they were short of yet. Do you think that that's the sort of immigration policy, which should have your account? Well, but that's that's what we had.   Maxime Bernier  33:10 In the past. You know, when we were doing interview with our immigrants, we don't do that anymore. We we weren't predicting or any grants based on the knee, the needs of our country, we don't do that anymore. Being a Canadian was a privilege, we were asking already going to speak one of our two official languages, French or English, and because it's easier for that person to be part of the society if they speak the language. So we need to go back to that we need to add the two of us and you know, if you don't share our Canadian values, freedom, equality before the law, the Constitution, the Charter of Rights, if you don't share Canadian values, you must not be able to come to get to Canada, and but we are not doing that anymore. So that's why we want sustainable immigration and maximum of 150,000 a year and and the big majority of them must be skilled immigrants. Yes. And, and obviously referring to what you said earlier, restrict family to just Oh, yeah, family. If you go on our website, People's Party of Canada, US you will read our platform on immigration and refugees. And that's what we are saying, you know, leaving educational family must be limited, like it was in the past. Why it is not right now. It's just a question of winning see, the consider date. And all these immigrants are going in the same place in big cities. 41% of them are going to Toronto and Vancouver. And so there's a lot of seats over there there Toronto and Vancouver. So if you want to win, you're going to tell them what they want to hear. And these new immigrants. They want to have their family with them, their mom and grandma and their granddad and their ex case for that. That's why per year is not speaking about, you know, sustainable immigration in Zaki with mass immigration because his goal is to have been sent in these big cities where there's a lot of immigrants. And these immigrants want to have their big feminine with their job or no jobs. So that's why but he had one speak true against mass immigration and for sustainable immigration. And, you know, it's it's all about seeds. For us, it's all about ideas, values, principles, and speaking and yes, informing the population or educating the population about these issues. And it may take more time to be successful. At the during the election time, but if time and we will change, you know, we will change the people mind when, when that one did be ready. And you know, we all growing as a party, like you said, it took, you know, 20 years for the Green Party of Canada to have more than 1.6% of the vote, we did that in all first year, after 25 years, the Green Party is at 2%. After two years, we are at 5%, it took 28 years for the Green Party of Canada to have the first green candidate elected is that that made 28 years, I can tell you it one thing 28 years, it may happen this Monday, in this writing, category elite age without any name carried aren't Maxine, they'll see 11 They'll see 18 Your opinions on the current state and our country of freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Repeal, we're going to repeal these bill. Hey, you know, all that is to be able to censor us, and and Trudeau is an expert of that. They did drink COVID-19, our shadow ban on social media, the point of your some doctors also were shadow. And so we will repeal this bill. And I believe that it's not in line with our Constitution and our Charter of Rights. And it's it's scary that a government is able to pass this bill in Parliament. But I can tell you that that's part of our of our founding principles. Like I said in the beginning and individual freedom, personal responsibility, and freedom is freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought. For me freedom of speech, it's my right to say something that you don't like that you don't want to hear. That's why we have freedom of speech, freedom of speech is not to be able to tell you what you want to hear. It's to tell you under a point of view, and I think strong debates, that's why we have the freedom of speech in US and in his democracy. We need to have debates. And now what is happening, they don't want our point of view to be out there, their scale the the mainstream media and the establishment political party, they are scared of us of the truth based on facts. But you know what, I wouldn't be on this stage of the next election. And that will be an interesting debate. I will tell them the truth, and our policies, and people will have an opportunity to hear our message in the mainstream media. What do you think of Canada's main policies? You know, now in Canada, we are leaving the cult of death. On one side, I don't like I don't want to call that need, what is that is assisted suicide. That's what it is. We have that at the end of the life and it was supposed to be at the end of the life. Now. You know, they're opening that to every situation, you're depressed, we we're gonna kill you. You don't have a job, we may be able to kill you. And in the beginning of life, there's abortion, late term abortion. We are the only party that is saying no to late term abortion, it's killing the unborn. We need to have a debate. And we will need to be part of the civilized countries everlean civilized countries, I believe gestation on abortion and we don't have one you can have an abortion couple of hours before giving birth. And that is happening in Canada in our country. We must stop that. And at the other spectrum, you have assisted suicide. We must limit that now. It's open for everybody in every circumstances in Quebec in my own province be boarded a lot at the Brian Johnson provincial in deputy Provincial Assembly Nasional Legislative Assembly in Quebec. They both realized so if you want to have assisted suicide, before that it was only in a hospital Now you want to do that in your own, you want to do that in a park, you want to do that everywhere we leave that for you. We must stop that. And we have a strong position about that. As I said, we've been very lax policies on abortion, we are leading the world, in assisted suicide biomedic we the country, but in Canada, it's Quebec, the numbers are going up. Notes, we need to question that we need to know life is important. We need to promote life. We need to to be able to have that discussion. But now we do radical leftists, they don't want us to have the discussion. You notice when I was in, I believe it was in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, I don't remember it was in Saskatchewan, I believe, you know, there's just catch one gotten, you know, when you call 811. In Saskatchewan, that's when you need assistance for health. You can add, you can speak to a doctor to a nurse or something like that. So there's the added lot of options. And the fifth option was, you know, oh, if you want to die, we can kill you. And so we deal with being splashed on social media about that. And we push the Gasman in the garden decided, okay, yes, we won't have that option anymore. But that's the thinking, they are promoting that, and now you have private corporation that, that are promoting assisted suicide. And, and actually, it must be criminal for a doctor or nurse to promote that it must come from the individual, that now it's happening, oh, you know, we can kill you. If you don't want that treatment. We it must be illegal, you know, it must come from the individual in that not pushing from, you know, the professional doctors or nurses, you're gonna ask you a question that's outside your area of expertise, because you're a politician, not a sociologist. But I'd like to know, how do you think our country got to this point of being so accepting of, as you said, this death cult, but it's happening, because we didn't have any opposition, because we had the weaker position. Because the when the the Conservative Party of Canada is not speaking about conservative values, the Conservative Party is Guyanese giving credibility to the leftist narrative. And now we are there because the conservative didn't have the courage to speak about concepts, but it's conservative ideas and against these ideas actually be voted for, for the the transgender ideology in Parliament unanimously. So the conservative, don't have the courage to be conservative. And by doing that, you have only one narrative. And when you have one narrative from the government, with the leftists and media, that's why I said the public opinion has been manipulated. So it's not popular to speak against that right now. But we're not doing politics because something is popular today, or politically correct. Today, we're gonna be doing politics based on ideas that we believe it's best for this country for the future of this country, for Canadians first, for the sovereignty of our country. Moving that the more we speak about it, that the the more support we'll have. So we are there, because we had the weak opposition, that is not a considered conservative opposition. We voted all the time to do all these border issues.   Will Dove  43:39 For my last question, and you just made reference to the trans agenda. You know, recently, I interviewed John Mueller, who is the founder of unmasking the transgender movement.com. And you know, the interview, he revealed that the trans surgeries in our country and in the US took off, wheeling around 2005 the point in time at which our government gave hospitals and doctors that permission to build the government for those surgeries. And that was when the whole trans agenda really started being pushed as soon as pharmaceutical companies and hospitals and doctors could profit from it. Now you've talked about repealing things, like they'll see 11 They'll see 18 Do you think that kind of thing should be repealed as well. But I didn't know that. I didn't know that it started earlier than then. Then this year. But I know that billboard Chris, also, as you know, is speaking against that, and I'm with him on that.   Maxime Bernier  44:32 And but you have private clinics that are doing that in here in Canada, and I know that it's a huge industry in the US. I don't know the the if it's a big industry in Canada, but it's it's yeah, we need to stop that. We I said we need to protect children. You know, you can go to a bar but if you're not 18 years old, you cannot drive a car or if you're not 18 years old, and he'd be able to decide to have hormone blockers, or surgeries before 18 years old, without the consent of your parents, that was to be illegal. And you can do what you want with your body at 80 years old, if you want to ventilate your body, that's your decision. But we must not quibble that industry. You've been in politics for a very long time. And he's clearly I would say, of all the conservatives that I've spoken to. And certainly I think you're probably the only conservative leader in this country who has given his much thought to the state of our country to the problems with it. So if you had some final thoughts for our viewers, what would they be? Yeah, I just want to say that I was elected the first time in 2006. And as a conservative, and we decided to create the People's Party in 2018. And before that, like I said, In the interview, I was working the financial sector. But what I want to tell you is yes, and not a carrier politician. But if you want to know more about the People's Party of Canada, please take a couple of minutes, go on our website, People's Party of Canada T, click on cat form and read it, read off that form, you won't waste your time because that platform will be the same one for the next general election, if you like what you are seeing based on common sense and strong principles, you know, principles that hard the base of the Western civilization, values. And you know, we are fighting for you. We are fighting for Canadians, and I hope that you will support us, I want to thank you very much for that opportunity. And, you know, if you want me to discuss all those subjects in the near future, I'll be pleased to do with you again, they will be a pleasure. I know you've got a very busy schedule while you're here in Calgary, and I deeply appreciate you taking the time for this interview. Thank you very much.