(0:00 - 0:37) In the past five years, many Canadians have suffered at the hands of our tyrannical government, and many of them still are. Witness the sentencing of Tamara Lich and Chris Barber for leading a peaceful resistance movement in the form of the Freedom Convoy, or the Coutts 4 in Alberta wrongfully imprisoned for years under false charges for the same crime, organizing peaceful resistance to the violations of our rights and freedoms. And two of the Coutts 4, Anthony Olienick and Chris Carbert, are still in prison. (0:39 - 1:47) Aside from the Coutts 4, however, there is no one in Canada who has been persecuted more than Pastor Artur Pawlowski, arrested five times for simply holding church services and feeding the poor, practicing his constitutional rights to freedom of religion, speech, and assembly, and like the Coutts 4, imprisoned for speaking out against the narrative, often under barbaric conditions. And now, Pastor Art, whose video ejecting the police from his church in April of 2021 went viral around the world, has written a book on his experiences and on the conclusions he has drawn from that. What is wrong with a society that will so easily surrender their rights and freedoms and stand by passively while those who stand up to tyranny are persecuted? And how do we prevent this from happening again? The simple answer lies in the title of his book, Lions Do Not Bow. (1:56 - 2:52) Artur, thank you so much for coming in today. Thank you so much for having me. And your excellent book, and we've done a couple of interviews now, in fact, very extensive ones. The first one, I think, was way back in 2021, when we just about covered the story of your life up to that point. And growing up in Poland under communist rule, and then the efforts of your street church here in Canada, in fact, around the world, and how you were persecuted because you were actually getting people off the street, which the government-funded shelters don't like, because they get paid by the head, so you were taking their business away. But then things really came to a head in 2021. And I want to start there, because unintentionally, the tyrants did you a favor when they sent police to your church on an Easter Sunday to shut down the service, but somebody recorded it, you threw them out, and that went viral. That was really what brought you to global attention. So let's start with that story. (2:53 - 4:38) Well, people have to understand that this whole craziness of the past five years did not start during that Passover celebration. It started a year before. The Canadian government decided that for our own good, and for the good of the people, they need to shut down shelters and soup kitchens. So believe it or not, I became the first Canadian with another lady from Lethbridge to receive their crazy ticket for feeding the poor. It was a big shocker. About 12 agents of the Crown, police officers, high-ranking bylaw services and health inspectors came to our soup kitchen, and they decided to shut it down. And they told me that if I don't do it, I will be arrested, and I will receive millions of dollars' worth of tickets. So the millions of dollars' worth of tickets came later, but it was a crazy, crazy situation because I've appealed their decision beforehand to the ministers, to every cabinet minister in the province of Alberta, to the premier, and to the mayor, and no one replied to me. No one cared. I told them, you people do not make any sense. If we're truly in the middle of this crisis, then my services are now needed more than ever. Because what do you think is going to happen to 15,000 to 20,000 different individuals facing homelessness if you will deny them the necessities of life? Because I'll tell you what is going to happen, because I've seen it. (4:38 - 5:21) They will turn into violence. They will turn into crime. They will break into people's houses, garages, grocery stores. I mean, people need to eat. Simple. And if you will not provide them the necessities of life, they're going to get it this way or that way. So you don't make any sense. But they didn't care. At that moment, I knew, well, that this whole thing is a sham. It's exactly the tactics, the propaganda that we witnessed during that time. It was what we remember growing up behind the Iron Curtain. That's why I started to call Canada China. (5:22 - 5:56) And soon after, when we were literally hunted down, every church service, every soup kitchen giving necessities of life to hurting people, you got to remember, shelters are shut down. Other soup kitchens are shut down. People are literally living under the bridges in the bushes, dying. Thousands of homeless people died. Do you know that? Yes. Thousands of people, homeless died during that time because of the actions of the government. (5:56 - 6:28) Government murdered those people by their actions. So we were saving lives. But of course, the government was not happy. So they were sending police officers. 2020, well, it was an ongoing, nonstop. Police, bylaws, health inspectors, harassment, threats. I was followed by helicopters. I was followed by undercover police officers. I was followed by the cruisers, marked vehicles. (6:28 - 7:37) I had police at my services from three, four police officers to our record, as you remember, of 120 few police officers, 20 cops on bicycles, anti-terrorists, SWAT team, chief of police that just resigned this last Friday, Newfield, and 52, 54 police cars at our Christmas celebration. Because you got to remember, at that time, the Canadian government decided that they're canceling Christmas. We just had Halloween, remember? And the same people encouraged children to have great time and fun. A few days after, they said, we have to regret, but we're canceling Christmas. It was such a hypocrisy. I'm going to let you point this out. What's the difference between Halloween and Christmas, Well, Halloween is worshiping evil, is glorifying zombies and just horrible ghosts, horrible things. Christmas, of course, elevates family, God, Jesus. It's a great celebration. (7:37 - 8:03) It's a good reminder that we're not alone on this side of eternity, that there is a loving God. Christmas is a time for families to come together, and people are very lonely during that time. So every year, we organize Christmas festival for the most vulnerable people. And they said, no, you're not allowed to do it. If you do it, you will be arrested. So that really ticked me off. (8:03 - 10:36) So I went on television too, and I invited people to the biggest Christmas celebration in the country. And I said, if I am to go down, I'll go down with a big splash. I didn't know, well, thousands of people are going to show up. And we had, like I said, over 120, 40 police officers. And according to them, I did something that was unthinkable at that time. I did something so horrible that those officers came bearing gifts. It was Christmas after all. They came with 15 tickets, and they said, I've done something that is going to cost people's lives. I had carolers. Because remember, Canadian government outlawed singing. They outlawed Lord's Supper, so Holy Communion. They outlawed gatherings. They outlawed everything, pretty much. I was even told, and the chief of police came on television and said, I'm going to send my constables, and they're going to be monitoring driveways. And if they will see extra cars, they'll break the doors, and they'll arrest everyone in it. Because you could not even have a brother or a sister for coffee. I could take you and hundreds of others to Walmart, to Ikea, to Costco, and that would be perfectly fine and okay. I remember during that time, we had to buy a bed for our son, and we had to go to look around. We went to Ikea. I will never forget this, because the moment we parked at the parking lot of Ikea and we started to walk, there was a huge sign that said only 500 people allowed. I could not have my brother for coffee, but I could take my brother and 400 other people to Ikea, and that would be perfectly fine. It was a sham. It was a psychological test, if you will. And anyway, that's 2020. That's why I wrote the book. There's so much behind the scenes, the stories. I started to call them Nazis. I started to call them Gestapo. People don't understand why. What I was trying to achieve, it was my way of communicating a message to the Canadian people, because you have never faced this on your soil. You never had Nazis taking over your country. We had. You never had communism, socialism, the Soviets taking over your country. (10:36 - 13:10) We had. So you should pay attention to immigrants that escaped hell, because you have never faced that in this country. But of course, Canadians are refusing to listen to people like us. So it looks like the repetition of history is happening in front of our very eyes. But going back to the story, I saw the same tactics that my grandparents were telling me in the older generation of what Gestapo was doing. So what Gestapo means? It means simply political police. That's what Gestapo is. So I was trying my best to shake them out of their slumber by using words that I knew are going to trigger them. And it did. It did. I said, you're acting like Gestapo. You got to remember, 2021, that's one year after we were literally hunted down, every service for over a year. When our parking lots were blocked by the police and the peace officers, where our people were intimidated, where they were taking pictures of our women and children, just trying to put the pressure on us. When I was getting ticket after ticket, I got probably over 50 tickets during that time for just doing my job. So I had conversations with the police. I had conversations with the health inspectors, bylaw services for over a year. But when they decided to break section 176 of the criminal code of Canada and trespass, even though I told them, you're not welcome in this capacity, you're welcome to come to join us in a church service. But if you're coming with your tasers, your guns, and your uniforms to intimidate people and to shut us down, you're not welcome. You want to come and worship with us, everyone is welcome to come to the church, but not in this capacity. Leave your uniforms and whatever authorities you think you have outside and come and join us. But of course, you know that their intention was to shut us down. So section 176, 1, 2, and 3 clearly states that they're not allowed to do what they did, but they did it anyway, because during totalitarian regime, during a takeover of dictatorship, law means nothing to those people. And that's exactly what we're observing in Canada. It's lawlessness, no checks and balances, zero accountability. (13:11 - 14:08) If it comes to law enforcement agents, if it comes to health inspectors, if it comes to politicians and the media, there is absolutely zero accountability. They can lie, they can cheat. And the perfect example of that is a man named Steven Johnston. Steven Johnston is from the special crime prosecutors unit. He's in my book and his picture is there as well. If you Google him up, there are no pictures. Some of those agents like undercover, no one knows who they are, where they came from. There's no background, but he is from a special, I call it a Gestapo unit, under the watchful eyes of the conservative government. They established this Gestapo unit. And his job- Just for the viewers who might be confused, because we're Canada-wide, when you say conservative government, what you're referring to is the Alberta conservative government at the time under Jason Kenney. Yes. Not the liberal federal government. (14:08 - 14:53) Yeah. So he is, his job and his union's job is to literally hunt down any opposition to the government. So in other words, his job, just like the Gestapo of old, is to go after the political dissidents. And he is doing a great job. One after another, he hunts us down. To this day, there are trials. And to this day, we have political prisoners, as you know, from that era, rotting in prison. So going back to the story, and when they entered it, when they entered the church, they broke the law. And after a year of harassment, I had only one thing for those people, just get out. (14:53 - 17:47) Right. Just get out. And it came naturally. I was not preparing. I was shocked. Well, I was shocked that they entered the church in that capacity. I was absolutely shocked. I was taken by surprise. I just did not believe that they will break the law openly without any consideration to our God and state-given rights. Because at that time, I was very naive. My wife thinks I'm the most naive person that ever lived because I actually believe in a law and order. I believe in decency of humans, less and less now. But I thought that they're not going to openly break every law that there is, Constitution, Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Well, it says in a preamble, whereas Canada acknowledges the supremacy of God and the rule of law, those people broke everything of fundamentally guaranteed rights do not exist in Canada. That's why I refer to our nation as China right now, because it's lawlessness. There's no rule of law. Look at the judges. The judges are woke and rogue, and they don't even follow their own rules. It's shocking. The police officers don't follow their own rules. The chief of police is breaking law, left and right, and there is nothing we can do about it. Politicians, remember at that time, because when I recorded the interaction with authorities, I did it for my own protection, because police officers have no problem, no problem to lie on stand under oath. No problem whatsoever. How do I know that? Because I faced over 120 court cases so far and over 360 citations so far, and of course, multiple arrests. So I, out of experience, I try my best to have someone record or I will hold a cell phone to record a conversation. I was light of yelling, screaming, resisting arrest, being violent, assaulting. I was accused of everything by the police officers. If I didn't have the camera, I would still be in prison, because they have no problem to lie. So I kicked them out, but they came back with a vengeance. As you remember, they found crooked judges like David Gates of Alberta. And again, I don't know if he's related to the American devil, Bill Gates, but David Gates of Alberta, the judge, which right after this decision, resigned. My wife says with a pail of money, allegedly. And then David Gates of Alberta gave them the power to enter our church anytime they want with whomever they wanted to. So they came with SWAT team, anti-terrorists. They dropped some package on the ground. It was not even properly served. (17:47 - 18:07) And apparently, at that time I didn't know, it had a court order from another crooked judge, John Rook the Crook, which resigned after this as well. Interestingly, right? All those people, you can't even go after them because they're no longer here. Who knows what happened to them. (18:07 - 18:20) And so John Rook the Crook gave them the power to arrest anyone that would dare to oppose them. Yes. Four and a half million Albertans automatically became slaves of the state. (18:21 - 21:52) So they came, dropped some package. A few days later, it was three weeks later or four weeks later after the incident of me kicking them out. And of course, the recording of that incident, I posted it and I forgot about it because I had so many interactions with authorities. I'll just post them and forget about it. And next day, next day was another interaction with some other crooked cop or health inspector or bylaw services. But this one, when I, because I shot my cell phone after the service, when we were done praying and worshiping and preaching, I was shocked, hundreds of comments. And I was, invitations were coming from Fox News and other international authors. I said to more of like, what have I done? I didn't even know what I did. I didn't, it didn't click that it was related to this little interaction of me kicking them out. But you know, here is what, now I know what happened. People were so tired of this tyranny for over a year that my simple get out resonated with what they had in their hearts. It was the simplicity of the interaction. Just get out, get out of my church, get out of my restaurant, get out of my life, get out of my grandparents, you know, get out, you evil, wicked psychopaths, just get out. And it resonated with people so much internationally that that video was watched over a billion times. Billion people watch this video. And I was offered a lots of money to sell that video to some outlet. And I said, no, I want the people to see it, to hear it because I didn't do it to get rich. I did it to spark courage into the people's hearts because they have been subjected by tyranny. It's like the enemy blanketed the whole world with fear and tyranny and this just dark clouds of evil. So going back to the story, a few weeks after the anti-terrorists came and we got arrested and my brother David in the middle of the highway. And that's the picture from that arrest that was kind of turning into a cartoonish, you know, little, because the actual picture looks very brutal and it's like, so we've decided to tone it down a little bit for the younger generation as well. And we got arrested, charged with insane charges, inciting people to come to church. Can you believe it? I said, well, that's what I do for a living. I incite people to come to church because I want people to receive hope. We were charged with officiating in illegal gathering, participating in illegal gathering. And well, remember I was calling those people, Nazis, communists, socialists. Why? Because the language they were using, the Canadian government, the global now government, the language that they were using and still are using is identical to the one I remember growing up. Illegal gathering, participating, officiating, illegal, illegal this. I remember the Nazis were calling Polish patriots bandits, criminals, lawbreakers, troublemakers. That's exactly how we were called during this time by the media, by the politicians, troublemakers, lawbreakers. No one is above the law. This is not law. This is lawlessness. (21:53 - 22:12) Right? Yes. So we end up in prison. And I mean, there's so much to talk about all the arrests and legality, you know, of what they've done to us. But we end up in jail three days, two nights on concrete. Every half hour, officer would come and bang on the doors. The lights were so bright. (22:13 - 22:53) I mean, those lights are nothing in comparison to what they did to us. The lights are so so crazy bright that you close your eyes and you can't. You cover your eyes and you still see the light coming through. That's how crazy it is. Three days, two nights, we couldn't sleep. We faced on Monday, another Krukowicz. And arrest was brutal. They've cut my wrist. I still have scars all around my wrist. They put me in a paddy wagon. It was just for one person. It was so small. (22:53 - 23:24) My feet were sticking out. And the police officers were talking that they're going to charge me with kicking them and assaulting them and all kinds of stuff because they could not fit me inside that little space. So I was transported to jail with my face on the ground, my head on the ground, and my feet up like a piece of meat. And they would stop in the middle of downtown. I could see through a little window. I could see the apartment buildings, which is totally not the way to jail. (23:24 - 23:32) The way to jail is a different road. But they went to downtown just for the fun. They went for coffee. (23:33 - 23:38) Other officers came. And it was like I was like a monkey on the display. And they were laughing. (23:39 - 27:43) And because I was like a piece of meat hurting my entire body on my twisted wrist on the ground. It was horrible. It's the most painful thing I've ever faced in my life, actually. And that tells you a lot because I was a professional boxer and martial arts expert. This, what they did to me was crazy. Anyway, on Monday, we faced another crooked judge, shackled like animals, taken to the courts, Adam Germain. Adam Germain, ultimately, I'm, you know, cutting the story, ultimately found us guilty on everything. Gave us a monetary punishment, some insane, insane thing. And we have become the first Canadians to have this compelled speech order, where the government, using the crooked judge Adam Germain, ordered us to pirate CBC, CNN, and crooked politicians. And we were listening to this with my brother, David Media, everywhere. And it was a big protest of that day at the sentencing. Of course, between I went to the States to tell the American people what is happening in China now, to warn them that you're next, that your biggest enemy is not on the southern border, your biggest enemy is being built right now at the northern border, when the Chinese have completely taken over Canadian government. So I spent four years, as you remember, upon arrival, I was immediately arrested on the tarmac. I mean, this was crazy. It was like a takedown of El Chapo of Calgary, Al Capone of Canada. I've never seen anyone being arrested on a plane or on the tarmac. I mean, that's crazy. For what? Well, I was charged with criminal offenses, the same offenses that Adam Germain and others charged us, but this time criminal. They made it, they upped their game, they made it criminal offense, inciting people to come to an illegal gathering, participating. I was even charged criminally for baptizing my daughter, officiating in church service outside, and not wearing a muzzle. So I went to jail, released on bail, then arrested by RCMP, went to jail, and then arrested again for attending a peaceful rally. As you remember at that time, the rallies were getting bigger and bigger and bigger. We started with four, five, six people. By the time I was arrested, we had 20,000 people on the streets of Calgary. And I was traveling all over this country. I was doing rallies. I was doing church services at the Supreme Court in British Columbia, in Edmonton. I was doing rallies in Ottawa, everywhere. I was doing my best to go everywhere. And the truck convoy started. And as you remember, the truckers called me and they asked me if I would become their pastor. So I said yes. And they came to Calgary, I did church services, our church fed them, and we raised truckloads of food for them and other things. Off they go to Ottawa. I wanted to go with them. I had the rights and people wanted me to come. But my wife, thank God for good wives, because we're hot, sometimes we want to go. But she says, if every man will go to Ottawa, who's going to organize rallies here? Who's going to stay here and fight here and raise the support for them? And I think something that we have to insert for the viewers outside of Alberta is, here we are five years later from the beginning of this whole COVID narrative. And today, Alberta is recognized. It's not perfect, but it's probably recognized as being the freest province in Canada. That's very relative, of course. But at the time, under Jason Kenney, it was every bit as tyrannical here as everywhere else. (27:44 - 29:32) I think it was more. More so. When we start talking about the Cootes border crossing and the fact that... And it hasn't gotten any better. I'm a little disappointed in Danielle Smith that she hasn't stepped in on this, because two of the Coutts 4 are still in prison, as you know. That's right. And they're probably the only people in this country who've been persecuted more than you have for standing up for our rights, for just simply doing what was right. And so, yeah, they came along. And so there was that Easter service where the police showed up, you threw them out, that video went viral, which made you a huge threat to their plans. Because, yes, you were resonating with people. You were doing what they wanted to do. And they just needed to see somebody do it. And then some of them would start doing it. And they couldn't have that. And then, of course, you went down to the States and you spread the word there. And I mean, that's so... May, you and your brother get arrested. As you've already recounted, you had that court case, and they try to put a gag order on you and get you to parrot their narrative, which, of course, you refused to do. Yeah, I actually said to the judge, listen, I'm a pastor, and my job is to preach the truth. Take it or leave it, but that's my job. And I refuse. And I said, Judge, I'll never obey your order. If you want me imprisoned and get you sheriffs, because I'll never, ever obey your order. You're telling me to lie to the people, and I refuse. I'll always tell them the truth. And we got, you know, my brother David took the mic as well and says, Judge, I hope you're listening to me. And he said the same thing. I'm not going to obey it. You can shove it where the sun doesn't shine. He said, David, you just finished us off. I was trying to do a little bit the same message, but more politically correct. David just shot it. But we got, we did not get arrested that day. They arrested us later on. But we've never, not once, we obeyed that order. (29:33 - 31:37) Later on, it was overturned on appeal. We won the whole case, and they were not happy. The victory was so huge, three to zero. The court of appeal found that this is ridiculous. And we got set free. They had to reimburse us, you know, the financial penalties that were imposed by that crooked judge, Adam Germain. And the government was furious because we've just scored a major victory against this tyrannical government. And that even, you know, we became more famous and more stronger, a lot stronger because of this. And they decided to make an example out of us. Right. So now let's move on to, you were arrested, Rantel, of five times, I believe. During that time. Yes. But eventually came the arrest where they threw you in prison for a 60-day penalty. Much of it was in solitary confinement. It was under brutal conditions. So let's share that story. So trackers called me and they asked me to become, you know, part of the track convoy, which was absolutely phenomenal. It was amazing. It's, even when I think now I have this warm feeling, it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen on this side, on the soil in Canada. The people coming together, all backgrounds, young, old families, you know, they were bringing their cats, their dogs, their horses. I saw people bringing barbecues and it was extremely cold at the time, as you remember, January, February, very cold. And they were bringing fire pits and hugging each other, crying with each other, singing with each other, praying with each other. So when the trackers went to Ottawa, farmers and trackers decided to do something here and they went to Milk River and Coutts. (31:37 - 38:06) So one day, you know, I was so busy with running two churches. So I'm a pastor of three churches, as you know, we feed thousands of people in the streets of Calgary. And also I pastor a regular church in the building. So I was very busy. And at that time, people were hurting, you know, some people, their experience from that time is they were feeling lonely, isolated. Well, for me, it was opposite. Every single day, I had people in my home, coffee, dinners, every day, it was like a revolving door. People would just keep coming. So for me, I was actually, well, I was tired of people. I was constantly surrounded by people, always someone. I was just, I said to my wife, I need to get away. So sometimes I would just go to the mountains so no one could find me just to relax. So it's a totally opposite what most of the people were feeling. I was overwhelmed by the sheer number of people that I was always surrounded. And of course, wherever I went, grocery store, people recognize me, stop me, talk. And then the rallies, thousands of people, I was hugged. During that time, I probably was hugged over a hundred thousand times. I'm still alive, which was remarkable because people needed hope. And you know why they hated me so much? They hated me so much because God is hope. And I was representing that hope. Look, I'm still standing after so many arrests and so many tickets and so much intimidation and harassment. I'm still standing and I'm still smiling. I'm not suicidal. I'm not depressed. Hey, our God is bigger than all of this charade, this garbage that we are dealing with. So don't worry. Be strong. Love your family. Have your mom for coffee. Don't listen to those crooks. Don't follow their illegal orders. You see, I've become a symbol of, hey, if he can do it, that means anyone can. And also we'll remember, I'm an emigrant with a funny accent. And they say, you know, I'm a simple man. If this guy can stand and do it, that means anyone can. And that's true. So when the Ottawa was brewing and was doing really good, the farmers in Alberta and the truckers started the goods. And I received a phone call. We had rallies and church services and feeding, and it was just so busy. But this man called me and he said, Art, would you come to Milk River and Coutts? Because people are very depressed here. There are police officers dressed in black, pointing machine guns at children playing hockey, street hockey. It's really dark here. People are losing hope. Would you come and do church services? Well, of course. That's what I do. I am a clergy. I'm a pastor for the people. For the people, not for the mega buildings and cathedrals. God raised me to be a messenger of hope for the people. So I remember I called my worshiper from the church and said, would you go with me? We're going to do church services for the hurting Albertans there. And I asked my son Nathaniel to come. We loaded the car with food, with stuff. We raised some funds for the farmers and for the truckers there for their gasoline. And off we went to Milk River. At that time, Milk River was completely blocked by RCMP, so you could not go to Coutts. So I said, fine, let's do a church service here. It was thousands of people and it was incredible. We had Lord's Supper. We were singing hymns and RCMP was filming me and taking pictures. Not a big deal. I was always live streaming everything and I was not hiding. Our church services were live streamed. I was showing people in the whole world, including my enemies, that look, people are free. No one is wearing a mazel. We're not your dogs and we will not obey your tyrannical, Caligula's types of orders. And who do you think you are? So that's what I did. We filmed the Milk River. Police was there. And when we were done, we had a great time. People loved it. And I went to the police and I said, listen, I want to go to Coutts. I want to do another church service in the Coutts. And believe it or not, maybe this was a setup. Some people think that this probably was a setup. I don't know, but they opened the barricade. Police opened the barricade for us and off we went to Coutts. In Coutts, when we arrived, the roads were open. When we left, the roads were open. Not once I told the people, block the roads. I told them we can paralyze their system. Solidarity style. That means general strike. Just don't work for them. And it's over. Within a week, this whole thing collapses and our rights are back. That's how the Polish people did it. No violence. You don't have to do anything. Just refuse to cooperate with the wannabe Nazis, wannabe communists. And we had a little supper. We were praying with people. We were singing. We spent a few hours there. And I gave a little talk, if you will, a little bit motivational speech. I told the people to stand for God and state give a right. I reminded them about solidarity. I had a hoodie with solidarity on and in the back it said, with God we win. So I told them how the Polish people did it. And I said, stand. Let this be our alamo. That means this is the hill that we have to be willing to die on. Not that we would be violent. No, but this right of us being able to congregate has to become the alamo, the hill that we are willing to die on. Because if this goes, that's it. There's nothing else. If they can get away with this. So I reminded them about history. There were kids there. There were families there. And I said, if you don't want to stand up for yourself, I get that. But stand up for the children and for the future of the children. (38:07 - 38:31) And it resonated with people. I don't think it was overly great speech. I probably would, if I had time to prepare a speech, I probably would do a better job. But I said those few words for 19 minutes. I talked out of my heart. And three times I told the people to do it peacefully. (38:31 - 38:50) No guns, no sorts. You don't need that stuff. There's more of us than them. They don't have enough police officers to stop a solidarity revolution. That's how the Polish people did it. With the cross, with Jesus on the streets. And that's it. And we went. Police had no problems. (38:50 - 39:01) There were police listening to me and operatives, but not a big deal. I have nothing to hide. And they let us through the barricade. We went home. Not a big deal. Saturday came. (39:02 - 39:49) I did a big rally. I think it was Okotoks. No, it was Calgary. 20,000 people showed up. Then we did another rally, church services, Okotoks, High River, other places. And then Tuesday morning, I got two politicians, very well-known politicians that I asked to come with us to reason with Kenney's regime. And they agreed. And a few other people, we raised again some funds for the truckers and the farmers in Kutyn, McRiver. We loaded some stuff. And as I stepped out, it was a gong show. Cruisers, flashing lights, police everywhere. Police running towards me. (39:49 - 42:03) Pawlowski, you're under arrest. Pawlowski, you're under arrest. What is going on? SWAT team, anti-terrorists, detectives, cameras. They came with their own cameras to film the whole thing. It was like a Hollywood production. And I got arrested, interrogated for hours. And a shocker, I was charged with terrorism. First person ever in the history of this country was charged with terrorism for a peaceful assembly and a peaceful talk. Now you say interrogated for hours, but everything you had done was public. So what are they asking you? They were asking why, who, they were asking background, what I was saying, why I was saying, why I am opposing the government, why I refuse to bow down to the mandates and restrictions. Hours and hours and hours. I was so dead tired. I don't know how long. It was very long time because when we arrived, it was late night. So I was arrested early in the morning. It was seven or eight in the morning. And then it was a whole day until night. I was taken to prison. You know, you don't have a phone, you don't have a clock, you don't know. And that's the biggest problem in solitary confinement, that you just don't know how long this whole thing is taking. It feels days, weeks, months, because the time doesn't go like normally. It drags. After this experience, I had this revelation that on, you know, outside of the barbed wire, your worst enemy, well, is time. Because we always try to chase time. We're always busy. You always do things. But you know what's, who is your worst enemy inside solitary confinement? I would imagine it's the same thing. Because there's nothing to do. Zero. You're in a very small confined place. (42:05 - 42:26) Isolation. And your mind is just going crazy. 100 miles a second. Circles. And you ponder and you try to remember and you go back. And it's just like it plays tricks with you. You don't know what time it is. You don't know anything. And it's just being dragged and dragged and dragged. (42:26 - 43:26) And then a couple hours later, you hear some noise. It turns out it's dinner. And you say, oh my God, I thought it was another day, but this is just a couple hours. And you feel like you were in this place for days already. It's crazy. It's a torture. It's a psychological torture. And physical too. So anyway, I'm stripped naked multiple times. Multiple times. I was stripped naked in front of men, women. They don't care. When we were complaining. And in your book, you kind of point out that that treatment wasn't unusual. You weren't the only prisoner they did that to. Well, some things were unusual. Some were normal. The abuse of power in prison is normal right now. The beatings. Inmates are beaten quite often. Threatened quite often. Stripped naked quite often. Searched. And all those different things are happening on a regular basis. (43:26 - 43:46) But what they did to me is unusual because the next day I realized that I may not come out of this experience alive because they kept me in metal cages. So when I talked to inmates, and you got to remember, well, I spent time with the hardcore criminals. The worst of the worst. (43:46 - 49:50) Bank robbers. Drug traffickers. Human traffickers. Gangsters. Gun for hire. So professional murder. Very bad dudes. They've done horrible things. Thieves, professional gangs. And I hang around with them and I got the great respect from those people because they knew they saw me on TV. They saw me in papers. They knew I'm innocent. And I'm there just standing for my rights. So I had a great respect from those people. And I asked them, I said, is this a normal treatment? I was just kept, who knows how long, in metal cages. In a box. Like a box no bigger than a man's sitting like this. Couldn't move. Couldn't stretch. And he says, you know what? We've never seen it. We know they have them because there are two metal cages there. If I remember, it was blue and green. But they said we've never seen anyone ever being put in those metal cages. But I had the privilege to spend time in both of them. Green and the blue one. So, you know, my wife, my brother David and Tanya Lausanne and the church, they started to do those rallies outside, the church services outside, the protests. And for that, as a punishment, I would be taken from my solitary cell with water, bed and washroom to a concrete cell. Just as a punishment. I remember guards, high-ranking officers would come and they would say, tell them to stop. Tell them to stop. And I said, no, obviously it's working. If you're so upset because of a peaceful Christians outside bringing accountability to what you're doing to me, obviously it's working. The world deserves to know how crooked you are. They were not happy. So off I went to the concrete cell. Again, concrete cell is no water, no washroom, no time. You're there by yourself, solidly confined and you have no idea what's going on. No window, nothing. And it's a freaky place. Also, during that time I was denied, as you remember, to see my counselors. I started to write everything and I said, if I am subjected to this craziness, at least I will write down everything I observe, everything I remember from, you know, the interactions and different names. And that's where the book came from. But it was confiscated. My write-ups were confiscated by the authorities three times. They were so scared that I am writing this whole story that they took it, they stole it from me three times and we had to make a big sting out of it. And eventually half of the book, half of the write-up was smuggled by my lawyer, literally smuggled out of jail by my lawyer. And the rest, we fought and we had a lot of media attention at that time and it was returned to me. Few pages were missing. For example, the pages that they stole. First of all, it was illegal for them to take it. Also, it was illegal for them to take it and read it because every page had for my lawyer's eyes only. It was my communication to the lawyer, writing the whole story of what is happening to me, what I observed, what happened before for my lawyer and they didn't care. That's the level of lawlessness that you can't even have a private communication with your counselors because they would just take it and copy it. And so certain pages were missing because they read the whole thing. It was kind of funny because I call it Pol-English. I was writing in English but with Polish twist. So some words are Pol-English and I was laughing at that time. So they had to hire a Polish interpreter because there's no way you can decipher my writing like this because it's Pol-English. And eventually they gave it back except a few pages and the pages that were missing were the pages that I did a talk about drugs. Well, every day, twice a day, the inmates are receiving cocaine, fentanyl and other drugs. Five different highly addictive drugs are being given to the inmates twice a day. Guards and nurses. I always, you know, when you watch Hollywood productions, you think that, you know, the inmates are smuggling it inside of them or some other things and you get to bribe the guards or, you know, something. But that's not the case in Canada. In Canada, they're freely giving you highly addictive drugs. And I ponder on this. I said, it doesn't make any sense why they're doing it because the inmates were going nuts. You know, the side effects of those drugs is either you get very violent and you go crazy, banging on the doors, fighting, or you completely are like zombie. You're staring one place. You don't move. You don't talk. You're like dead for hours and hours. You don't know what's going on, what's happening. So, and then I realized it hit me, of course, by spending time with the inmates. And here's a cool story. 21 days in isolation, all the inmates sent a petition to the director, Fyder. And they said, if you don't release him out of the solitary confinement, you're going to have a riot in prison. So the next day I was allowed to have interactions with other inmates. (49:51 - 51:12) And I started to do church services and Bible studies because the director denied our right to a church service. Like it's your fundamental right. And he says, no, you're not allowed to participate in church services. So I did church services. I think I broke some kind of a record. I had every inmate, Muslims, Atheists, hardcore criminals on my church services. Every single inmate was attending my prayer meetings and church services. And that enraged the government because one day officer comes and says, Mr. Pawlowski, you have a visitor. And I knew I had this sixth sense, okay, something bad is going to happen to me. And, um, everywhere I was taken transported or moved, inmates would recognize me and they would bang on the doors, yelling free pass to art, free pass to art. And the inmates said, when I was being given the, um, you know, iron cages and the concrete cells treatment, the inmates were saying, anything happens to this man, watch your back. So the guards knew I was so popular that if they do something to me, it might backfire on them. (51:13 - 51:19) All right. I have to, I got to stop you right there because there's an important question. You, as you said, you were thrown in with the worst of the worst. (51:21 - 52:14) And let's face it. You're not the only innocent person who's ever been thrown in prison. So that's not it. It's not that they knew you were innocent. There was something more to it. You had all of these hardened criminals showing up at your services, listening to you preach, standing up for you. Now, why do you think that was? What was it about you? Not that you were innocent, but something was different about you that rallied those people, those hardened criminals around you. Hope. It's hopelessness. Jail is a place of hopelessness. And here is a man that was full of hope and was willing to share that hope with those people that your yesterday is horrible. You today is unbearable, but you tomorrow can be completely different. And that's the message. That's the message of the Bible. That's the message of God. (52:14 - 52:25) So what I was telling them, I was telling them, listen, you've done horrible things. That's true. You know that I know that everyone knows that, but that's, it doesn't have to be your end. (52:25 - 52:38) You don't have to end that way. This is not the end of your story. If you stop, reflect on your life, repent, turn away from your wicked ways and embrace a new life. (52:38 - 53:20) And that's what was, that's what was drawing them to me. I had inmates coming even through the door when I was in solitary, there's a little window there. And I had hardcore slash tattoos everywhere, the whole face, I mean, scary looking dudes, gang members that if you would see in a dark hour, you run for your life. Hardcore criminals. And they would come to my cell and tears would be coming. Tears would, and as I said, Art, you restored humanity in my heart. Thank you. This is so beautiful what you're doing. I mean, they would be coming all the time. (53:21 - 55:01) I actually tell you the truth. Sometimes I was tired because I would be laying down and inmates would come knock on the door. So I have to jump, go there, talk. And then I would go back, lay down and another inmate would come. And that was going on all the time when I had to, I didn't have to, but I wanted to talk to them, reason with them. They would come to me with their life stories, with their girlfriends, with their wives, with situations. Can you pray for me? I'm facing this. I had Muslims coming to me and says, pastor, we're tormented in our cells. We can't sleep. They're demons in our cell. Can you pass them out? We know you're a man of God. So they recognized that that was different. And they were being drawn to the message of hope that yes, we are in those horrible circumstances, but this is not the end of your story. This could be the beginning of your story. And that's the message I was giving them over and over again. I will be talking about David. I will be talking about Saul. I will be talking about apostles. I will be talking about some, some different stories from the Bible. So look, they face horrible circumstances. They've done horrible things. David, King David was a bloody murderer, adulterer, and God restored him. You are a bloody murderer. You're a gangster. You're a wicked man, but that doesn't have to end that way. That's what triggered. And so I would go to their cells and technically you're not allowed to go to other people's cells, but I didn't care. (55:01 - 1:01:11) I mean, they already were hurting me. They were already abusing their power. So I said, what are they going to do to me? Arrest me? Throw me in the cell? I'm already there. So when I was opened, you know, for sometimes half an hour a day, sometimes they would keep me there in a hole for 26 hours straight, straight. It was crazy. But when I was being let out, I would go to their cells, cast out demons, pray, bless them. And the next day they would come just, we could sleep like babies. I had people with a broken, I had this young guy with broken leg. And I said, well, you know, I can pray for you, because he was supposed to have an operation. I said, I'll pray for you and see what God will do. So I did pray for the guy. He goes to the hospital, comes back and says, guess what? They don't know what happened. The bones that were separated came together on their own. There's no need for operation. You know, so I have those stories over and over again, and different people, tears coming. I remember I led those few people to the Lord, teeth. And I don't remember what this other guy did, but they were hardcore criminals. And others were witnessing this as tears were coming and I'm laying hands on them and I'm praying with them, talking to them. Others were watching all of that. So after I was done, I went back to the cell and they would come one after another to my cell and say, Pastor, I saw you prayed for them. Can you pray for me as well? Because at the end of the day, it's hopelessness and people are looking for hope. And I think that was scared out already so much because it was so popular, so loved by those criminals that they kidnapped me. I was literally kidnapped by sheriffs without knowledge of my counselors, without knowledge of my family. I was shackled like animals put in a, in a box and, you know, shackled legs and arms and the penguin march. You know how the, you know, you walk small steps like geisha because you can't, you're shackled. It's a horrible experience. And I remember during that time, I just prayed, God, give me patience and strength to endure it so I don't lash out, so I don't snap, so I don't do something because you got to remember, I was trained to hurt. I could hurt them. I could take them down. I could really damage those people if I wanted to. So God, give me peace in this craziness and let me endure it. Do not allow me to snap at those people and hurt them. And I had my little prayer with God. I said, as long as they're not going to try to rape me or beat me up, I will endure the odd attacks. I will endure it. I'll endure the strip naked craziness. I'll endure solitary metal cages. But if they push too much there, I'm just telling you, I said to God, I will, I will hurt them. Yes. And thank God that he did not allow this to happen to me. So I was taken to Edmonton by the sheriffs, put in Maxpot, as you know, Maxpot is a place for the most dangerous terrorists in the country. And the next day, I'll show just for you, next day I received this document and that's what literally broke me into a realization. This is the one right here. And this document says that, oh, by the way, those are the pieces of paper I was writing the book on. Those are request forms, you know, for those that are not as professional criminals as I am, because I was learning as I was going. Those are request forms that the inmates were giving me because they of course refused to give me paper because they were afraid of me writing everything. So they denied to give me paper and the inmates were giving me request forms. And that's why you get all the colors. It's yellow, it's pink, it's, you know, white, gray, whatever, those different pieces of paper. I will just keep writing, keep writing, keep writing, keep writing. But this document, it says that I was taken to Maxpot. Maxpot is a place for the most dangerous criminals. Everything is behind the bulletproof glass, metal, for hundreds of inmates. And I was the only one, only inmate in an entire unit, Maxpot, guarded by three guards. And I was told that the order is no human interactions, that I was not allowed to have any human interactions with no one, total isolation, half an hour out of the cell only. And they slipped this paper under the door and the paper said that they can keep me in this freezing conditions. It was so cold that I was shivering like this. And I asked for a blanket through the intercom and the guard said, he laughed and he said, at least you have fresh air. And they would not give me a blanket. So I'm sitting there, it's minus 28 outside, very cold, air condition on top of this, freezing conditions. And I said, I think that's it. That's where the story ends. Because I realized, you got to remember at that time, five inmates already testified to my lawyers that the guards were giving them incentives to murder me in prison or to severely beat me up. And they said, no, no, actually, if you do something to this man, watch your back. So it backfired on the guards. They said, he's a man of God. (1:01:11 - 1:02:29) He's a pastor. We're not going to be beating pastor. He's a man of God. We're not touching him. If you touch him, watch your back. So I really received protection, I believe, from God by touching those hardcore, tough men. And they were protecting me. It was incredible. They were protecting my life from those crooked guards. But in the maxpot, I was alone. No other inmate. Zero. I was by myself, guarded by three guards. And I was allowed out of my cell. I received this paper that said that they can keep me indefinitely. You know what that does with your mind? A crime prosecutor said that I'm going to be kept in those conditions for two years. He said to my lawyers. And during this time, they offered me a deal that if I say I'm sorry, that's what was in the papers. I remember Artur Pawlowski says he's not sorry. Because what they wanted, they wanted me. I have at that time, I have become a little bit of like a symbol of resistance, a fight against totalitarian regime. (1:02:29 - 1:07:47) I was well known around the world of fighting this lie. And what they wanted, they wanted to turn me into a propaganda. So what they wanted, Pastor Artur Pawlowski pleads guilty. He says he's sorry. He apologizes. And this crooked, lying, manipulative individual, Steven Johnston, lied to every judge, every trial I had, every judge, every bail hearing. This guy would lie and lie and lie. And you cannot do anything about it. There's no accountability with those crooks, liars. People ask me, you're not afraid you're going to be taken to court for defamation? No, I would welcome it. So I can bring my evidence. They're liars. That's why I boldly can say those judges are crooks and liars. And I can name them because I can prove it in a court of law that they've lied and manipulated. This is a wicked, evil liar, Steven Johnston, a crown prosecutor in the province of Alberta. And he said twice, if I say I'm sorry, all the charges will be dropped and I can go home. I was offered that twice. And I said, no, I will not. You will not turn me into your propaganda machinery. People need to know that you can endure hardship, you can stand. So two years you're going to face conditions like this. And when I was there in the max pot, and my mind started to work, you know, to mess with me, I said, I will not endure it. In freezing conditions like this by myself, I I'm done. So I called my wife. And I barely could talk. This was my goodbye to my family. And knowing that five inmates testified already that the guards were trying to hurt me by using their hands. And I said, I think this is it. I think you're going to learn tomorrow or a week from now I'm going that I had a heart attack or I hanged myself or something they're going to do. And I don't think I'm coming out of this. I really believe that this is it. And so if I don't see you, I will see you on the other side with God. And that freaked her out. Because at this moment, I was really holding strong and the conditions were bad, but they were not that bad. And I know a little bit, I mean, spending months and months with the most brilliant scientists, biologists, and doctors, I knew that the conditions that they're keeping me in, my body is not going to make it. I'm going to die this way or that way. So especially when they refuse a blanket and this is like your body can only take so much. I was already half my size and I was already weak. And my wife calls the lawyers and says, it's bad. I mean, if you don't do something, he will not make it. And the lawyer sends a letter to the judge that the next day we were supposed to see. And the judge learns in the morning what is happening to me. The conditions are keeping me in and that freaked them out. Because you got to remember, remand centers are privately owned. It's a big fat business. That's why they're giving drugs to the inmates because that ensures a revolving door that they are making criminals. Remand centers are making criminals and making sure that criminals will come back. That's the whole business. It's a revolving door. It's a never ending stream of money because a criminal and even not a criminal hooked on highly addictive drugs. And when that criminal or a person hooked on those drugs, forgiven freely. And I saw people snorting them, breaking them, cocaine. I saw people buying, selling the whole nine yards in jail. When you're hooked on those drugs and you're going to be released, guess what is going to happen to you? Unless you're a millionaire, you cannot afford on your own those drugs because they're very, very expensive. So guess what you're going to do? You're going to commit crime. When you're going to commit crime, there is a big chance that sooner or later you're going to be caught. And when you're going to be caught, guess where you're going? Back to Remand and the billions of dollars of fresh stream of doll is coming over and over again. And the judge, to scare them, the judge, we saw the judge the next day, of course, virtually for me, guarded by guards, listening to every word I was saying and it was said. And the next day I was taken to a psych ward without evaluation of the doctors, without the knowledge even of Alberta Health Services, completely illegal. I was locked with a schizophrenic. (1:07:47 - 1:07:57) At that time, I was told that I am so dangerous I cannot have a pen. Right? It's so ridiculous. Remember, the pen is mightier than the sword. (1:07:57 - 1:11:35) It is. Obviously, you shouldn't have a pen. You're very dangerous. So when I was taken to a psych ward, I was placed in a cell. The good part was in a psych ward, you have pretty much all day outside of yourself. So not you're not at least on that floor because there were three or four floors and some people on the top were in the straight jackets. Just crazy. But they put me in a lower floor that I had interactions with other inmates, but they were crazy jumping up and down, going in circles, crazy people. But at least I was not locked in freezing conditions. I walk into this cell and there was a kid over there, 20 some years old. And I said, what were you here for? And he says, well, I chopped my brother to pieces with a machete and so I'm getting arrested. I'm here. And I look and there's a little table there and he's about 15 pens and pencils. And I said to him, um, while I am considered the most dangerous inmate in this country, I was charged with terrorism and I'm not allowed to have a pen. And he stands over there, grabs a pen and says, you can have mine. And it's like, I realized how ridiculous this story is. Here is a murderer with unlimited resources of pens, if you will. I'm a pastor. My crime that I was charged with was talking to hurting Canadians, telling them three times to stay peaceful. And I was charged with terrorism, arrested and treated like a, like the worst gangster that ever lived. And I'm in a psych ward, uh, three days in this experience, a doctor comes to me and he says, Mr. Pawlowski, can I talk to you? He says, sure. And he says to me, what are you doing here? And at first I thought he's joking. Like he's asking me what I'm, what am I doing in prison in a psych ward? And I said, well, I don't know. Kidnapped by sheriffs, taken to my spot. And now I'm here. He says, you're not allowed to be here. I said, well, tell that to them. I know I am. I should not be here, but I'm here. And here's what he said to me. He said, they have taken you and placed you in a psych ward illegally. And I said, well, thank you so much for your consideration. I said, it's not about you. We don't put sane people with the insane people because you can take advantage of the insane people. And I said, Oh, okay. I thought he was kind of worried about me with the crazy people, but he was worried that, uh, no, they don't do those things because people can take advantage of, of crazy people. So I spent a week over there completely illegal, a release. And as you remember, I was put on a house arrest for a year and a half. So almost two years of this craziness found guilty convicted, um, appealed it convicted, uh, they upheld the conviction. And then I took it to the Supreme court of Canada and behold, the rogue woke corrupted to the core Supreme court of Canada said, no, we're denying you your right to an appeal. You have no right to an appeal. So I'm the first Canadian ever, uh, being convicted of terrorism, which a month after they withdraw the charge, you remember, they took it to their deal. (1:11:35 - 1:14:41) They arrested, imprisoned, charged. Um, and then a month after the conviction, he would draw the terrorism charge and he kept the mischief over 5,000, which is has 10 years of imprisonment and, um, the breach of the release order, which I was convicted on. And the judge said, I can sentence you to 12 and a half years. But ultimately I was released. The pressure was big. My friends in America, the media attention, I was released, um, after two years of this craziness and my right to an appeal was denied to me. And I'm a convicted criminal, but out of all of this, out of this horror movie came the book Lions Do Not Bow. And in a weird way, well, I maybe should send a thank you to this crooked crown prosecutor, Steven Johnson, that kept me in solitary confinement, because if I was with the people all the time, I would never write it because I would not have the time to write it because I would be ministering and doing church and this and that. Uh, but because I was locked like an animal and there was nothing to do, I decided to put on paper, everything. I remember the background story, the get out video, the solitary confinement, the metal cages, the rallies, my traveling, and, you know, a little bit of everything you've got here, a little bit of theology and mini sermons. And what I observed, what I saw, um, my analysis of this repetition of history, it's in the book. Then of course, you've got, uh, pictures. I wanted this book to, to be the, you know, it's not everything because it will have to be a thousand pages. It's already 500, but it has a big core. Uh, here you can see the arrest arrest. You can see us outside of Riemann, um, rallies, meetings. Here is this crook, Steven Johnston, the crown prosecutor. And then you've got my arrest outside my home. And then, uh, here you can see it in the camera, but you can see me through this, uh, cell. Someone had a telescopic camera. I took a picture. You can actually see me there. A second after the shot, I was taken to a concrete cell. Here is the get out video. It's not from the get out video when they came muzzled up. Here's my brother, David, um, with my church family and, uh, my wife and others doing, um, protests every day for every day that was on the inside, they were doing church services on the outside. Um, so this is, I got arrested and charged criminally for baptizing my daughter, uh, you know, illegal gathering a church service. Uh, just, just insane. Uh, here are the prayers. That's the Coutts. (1:14:42 - 1:15:35) That's, that's the famous sermon. And it's fascinating because like I told you at the start, but apparently it was so powerful that every, every trial will, and I'm not exaggerating every trial right now for the people like Tamara Lich and Chris Barber and others from Ottawa, the trial convoy in Ottawa, or the Coutts, they always cite my sermon. Is that crazy? I'm a pastor. I told them to stay peacefully, to stand for God and state give a right. And it has become some sort of a symbol. Here is my brother, David taken to jail. (1:15:36 - 1:19:11) Um, but you also told people to resist. Yes. And that's what you were guilty of Artur telling people to resist the tyranny. And that's why they persecuted. They got scared. I ask, um, I asked God once, I don't get it. Um, I'm not a scary person. Why, why me? You ask those questions, you know, why not the neighbor? Why I have been chosen to suffer like this. And my suffering was in comparison to what they do to the Chinese pastor is nothing. If I was sitting with the share my story in comparison, what they do to those people there. And yeah, to put that in perspective, right. You went through is beyond the imagining of most people, but what they go through is, is beyond our imagination. So, but I asked why me? You know, I've never met a man in my life with more tickets that I received for just doing my job over 360 citations, over 120 court cases. We still are in court five years later, I'm still in court and so many arrests. And you know what I believe I received is that what scared them the most, well, was not me yapping about freedom. What scared them the most is that I came from behind the iron curtain and I know what I'm talking about. This is not, I read a cool book on communism and socialism or fascism. I lived through it. I've heard the accounts of my grandparents, of what the Nazis did. You have to remember my father was born five years after the end of the second war. My grandparents lived through the whole thing. I heard story after story, after story, our adopted grandma, my adopted grandma was in Auschwitz-Birkenau. They were doing experiments. Mengele, Dr. Mengele was doing experiments on her twins. She still had scars of what they were doing to her. And she was showing me, they, for example, they were putting those little tiny parasites that were eating her flesh, life. I forgot the English name for that. And I would hear their stories over and over again. Still, when I was growing up, there were bullet holes in our buildings that you could see because Poland was completely impoverished by what the Nazis did and then after what communists did. And then growing up in an environment, I grew up being subjected to propaganda, indoctrination. When we, as kids, we were told Dziaduszko Stalin, grandpa Stalin, we were told that he was the savior of the world. Stalin, probably one of the most bloodiest murders, mass murders ever recorded in history. So when this happened here, I picked it up with my wife right away. And all the immigrants did. When I talked to others that escaped tyranny, it's the same thing. It's a repetition. I say, I know it's scary because that's how it leads. And they don't understand. Canadians do not understand what is happening to them. (1:19:12 - 1:19:32) So I started to talk about it. But also, not because I grew up in hell, scared them so much. Well, they got scared because I also saw the remedy. Yes. You have to understand it's a combination of different things. Yes, we grew up with my wife under hell, but we also saw heaven. (1:19:33 - 1:20:06) When Solidarity Movement took it to the streets, it was millions of Poles in 1980, 81, 82 that said enough is enough. But how did they do it? Well, that's what I was telling the Canadian people, they did it with God. With a huge massive cross, they went to their knees in front of the tanks and machine guns and soldiers. And the soldiers didn't know what to do. You've got thousands, hundreds of thousands of people on their knees praying. What do you do? Shoot them? You'll run out of bullets first. Right? Yes. So that's the power. And that was my message. (1:20:06 - 1:21:03) You don't have to be violent. That's why I told them no guns, no swords are needed here. Sheer number. And I said to them, give me enough Canadians and I will give you back your liberty and your prosperity. Just give me enough people and I'll lead you. I will do the same thing that the Polish people did in the eighties. And it's over for the time. That's what scared us. Also, what scared them was our fate because people were hopeless. They didn't know what to do. And suddenly a clergyman that says, Hey, there is hope that there is accountability. The one day justice will be served. The God is bigger than all of them combined together. Those who want to be followers. We've seen it in history. You see the combination of those different things. My accent on top of that, a man that actually knows what he's talking about. The moment I opened my mouth, people know I came from behind the Iron Curtain. (1:21:04 - 1:22:44) So a combination of things, I've seen it before. I witnessed the remedy. God is bigger than the villains. There is hope stand together. Put your differences aside. I don't care if you're atheist or not. I'll march with you for freedom. I marched with people that normally I would never, ever have anything to do with smoking dope and drinking. And sometimes I look at the rallies and there was thousands of weirdos. I was accused heavily why you're marching with those people. Well, I'm marching with anyone that wants to march for freedom, not just my freedom, but freedom of my children. I'll march with you for freedom, freedom for you to be able to reject God, if that's what you want, but also freedom for me to embrace God. That's what I want. That's the real freedom. Our God is not the tyrannical God. God is actually giving you that beautiful choice that this government is denying us. You can choose him, but you don't have to. And the book is just a memoirs of what happened starting 2000, a little bit, you know, background story to the end. And I was hoping that the Supreme Court of Canada will hear my case because it's a very important case. It's the most important case if it comes to freedom of religion and freedom of expression. But we're dealing with globalists, tyrants, and traitors. (1:22:45 - 1:23:48) And if I was your king, those people would be charged with treason. And the reason why they, and you've referred to hope several times in this interview, and psychologically, the reason why a big part of their plan was and is to kill hope is because people who do not have hope will not resist. If you have no hope, you will not resist. You will simply give up and lay down and wait for them to do whatever they want to you. And that is what makes you so dangerous to them because you give people hope. Yeah. Now, Artur, there's one question I wanted to ask you. You're a pastor, you're not a psychiatrist. And yet you have certain experiences that I think probably make you better able to answer this question than any psychiatrist I could have here. Because you grew up under communism in Poland. And so you saw that tyranny and you saw how people broke free of it. You, like everybody else who was at that point in time, just walking around in society, dealing with the COVID mandates and that form of tyranny. (1:23:48 - 1:24:31) But then you were subjected to extreme forms of that tyranny. And in your prison experience, and it became sort of a microcosm, I think, of what was happening in broader society, because we had people who, yes, wanted to continue to live free, wanted to stand up for each other. And then you had the people who wanted to oppress. And you had the hangers onto that, the people who were buying the narrative and who were ratting out their neighbors. And there was an experiment that was done years ago where they took volunteers, ordinary people, they put them into a prison. And some people were assigned to be guards, and some people were assigned to be prisoners. And within days, the behavior of both groups changed. The prisoners became timid and wouldn't stand up for themselves. And the guards became abusive and tyrannical. (1:24:32 - 1:24:40) And so there's that psychological play at work here. And they're going to try to do it again. I don't know if it's going to be another pandemic or if it's going to be something else. (1:24:42 - 1:26:30) But you have seen all of that from the inside. So what do you think goes on in the minds of... Because there's people... I think what I'm trying to get at here, we've talked a lot about police, and a lot of the police were horrible, but not all of them, some of them tried to be decent. I had my own experience with that. I spoke at a rally here in Alberta, and the police, the RCMP were there. And as I'm leaving, an RCMP officer motions for me to roll down my window, he says, pull over on the side of the highway, we're giving you a ticket for violating the health orders. And another officer comes to my window, he takes my driver's license, my ID, goes back to his cruiser, he comes back a couple minutes later, he gives me back my stuff. He says, have a nice day, sir. I never did get a ticket. So I'm sure he was going through a pantomime for the camera that's mounted in the car so that they could see that he was doing his job, but he didn't, he didn't do that. So there were some decent people. And so we have this psychology going on, where people are trying to defend in these two groups, there's the ones who are trying to resist and the ones who are going along with the narrative or enforcing the narrative. But there are people somewhere over here who say, wait a minute, this is wrong. And if we can get enough of those people to just stand up, I mean, look at, and unfortunately, if they do it in small numbers, it's a problem. Take a look at the case of Brian Dennison, a police officer in Calgary, who recorded a video in protest to what the police are being made to do, what they fired, they fired them, of course. But if we could get more people like that, what do you think is the psychology going on there? How do we reach those people? We've already got the ones on our side, and we know about the bias on the other side, but if we can get enough of them, because, I mean, you're from Poland, but if we think about Czechoslovakia. (1:26:30 - 1:34:05) That was Romania. Romania, sorry, thank you. And four days, he fell from power. One heckler, and four days later, he's executed by his own... Actually, he took a pastor. It was a pastor? I didn't know that part. He wanted to arrest the pastor because the pastor dared to resist, and the congregants surrounded that pastor's house, and then thousands and tens of thousands, and a few days later, Ceaușescu was gone. Because this is what breaks down... It triggered this injustice against that clergyman, finally, it triggered others to join. Right. But this is what breaks down tyranny. When the people who are actually in power say, enough, take a look at black racism and slavery in the US. When did that fall? Not when black people stood up and said, this is wrong, but when some of the white people in England and US said, wait a minute, this is wrong. We can't do this anymore. And so, knowing that they're going to try again, there's going to be more tyranny. How do you believe we can reach the people who are in that position of power and get them to stand up and say, wait a minute, this is wrong. We can't do this anymore. Well, it's one word, selfishness. If you're governed, if your life is governed by selfishness, you're going to do unimaginable things to get more. We have in the West, we are a society that is very self-centered, egoistic, selfish. Me, me, me, me, me, me. It's all about me, myself, and I. And that's where God comes in. Because when you are a true, I'm not talking about fake Christians, pretenders, like I say, holy on Sunday and the devil on Monday. I'm not talking about hypocrites, you know, pretenders. I'm talking about real Christians. When you realize that this life is but a vapor, that you come and you go, and all those policies and all those bank accounts and all this power and prestige, it actually in the end of the day means nothing. If you are a monster, and I call them well monsters. Those people that did this to us are monsters. They've lost their humanity. The people in prison, those hardcore criminals were more humane, more humans than those government officials that were doing this to us. So you get rid of selfishness when people will realize I'm not a center of the universe here, that I have been placed here to do good, to be good. It will change everything. Polish people took it to the streets when it was no longer just about them. That's where they took it to the streets. They were willing to die. Those people that took it to the streets were willing to die, go to prison, and tens of thousands of people went to prison. They were willing to sacrifice themselves. You want to change this society, we need more people that are willing to sacrifice everything. That's the only thing. This is the story of Jesus. I know I have been widely accused by many people for being part of the truck convoy, being part of freedom rallies, and speaking about politics, speaking about freedom. But people don't understand, because they've never read the Bible, that Jesus was and still is the biggest freedom fighter that ever lived. That Jesus died for our freedom. Actually the Bible says, who comes to me is free indeed. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is a liberty, there's freedom. God is God of freedom. You choose, you can choose left or right, but he's giving you that freedom that of course government is denying us right now. So selfishness is the biggest problem. If we would just take a step back and realize we are here on this side of eternity, not alone, but with others. And it's our responsibility to leave a legacy for the future generations, for the children. So you look at the children, that's why during my speeches throughout this craziness, I would always point out of the kids playing around. And I said, you don't want to do it for yourself. I get that. People are very selfish, especially the older people that already achieved something, and they just want to take it easy. They don't want to rock the boat, you know, push the envelope. They just want to cruise around, sit on the fence. I get that. But look at the kids. Look at them. Their tomorrow is up to you and me today. Today we are deciding how their tomorrow is going to look like. That's, I believe, that scared those villains the most, because you cannot argue really with this. Everyone, I mean most of the people, love their children, their grandchildren. And you have to stop for a second and look at this and what is happening to us and say, what kind of a future those kids are going to have right now? And what I can do to change it, to make it better. In the end of the day, why did we come to this land? I'll tell you, it's very simple psychologically. We came for a better tomorrow, not just for us, but for the future, for our children, for our grandchildren. We came here for the American dream. Yes, in Canada we came for the American dream, because it's a North American dream, when a man can work hard and build a house, get a dog, you know, and leave an inheritance for his children. Is that not, you see, I'm in my 50s. You know how often I do think about what I'm going to leave behind when I'm gone for my children. I want them to be blessed. I want them to have easier than I had, because I escaped with three American dollars. I escaped communism from behind the iron curtain when our visa was denied three times on a boat with three American dollars. I arrived in Athens through Bulgaria, Istanbul, Turkey, and Greece. Three American dollars. You know what I did with the first one? I bought myself a meal. At that time you could buy a meal for a dollar. Second one, I did what young people do. I gambled it. I just played on some stupid games and I lost. And the third one, I have to this day. I started my business and I was very successful. And that American dollar I have to this day. And that American dollar keeps reminding me why. You know, we need to start asking ourselves why. Why we are here. Well, what is the point? Because if it's just to get fat and rich and die, God, take me now. Take me now. But if it's a test, if you're a good, decent man, then every day life is giving you opportunities to do good. To do good. And you're right. During this time, I met good police officers. Not all of them are Nazis. They came to me and they said, we are Christians. We are on your side. And I had doctors, not many, that did the same thing. Nurses, not many, but they did it. If it comes to politicians, pretty much all of them are gone. (1:34:06 - 1:35:24) The decent ones lost their jobs, were not elected. And we have just crooks, con artists. Maybe there are a few still decent people. It's just, I don't, I don't see them. Right. I don't know them. So in the end of the day, psychologically, it's selfishness. Well, when people will give up their selfishness, that I am the center of the universe and what I want. Police officers that I challenged, I said, why are you doing this? If 2,500 police officers in the city of Calgary would refuse to break the law, this whole thing would be over. Out of 1.4 million people, only 2,500 would just say, no, we're not doing this. This is against the charter of rights and freedoms. This is against the criminal law. This is against the constitution. We're not doing it. What would the politicians do? Nothing, nothing. They would not be able to do anything. So they are guilty. That's why I'm hard with them because they're guilty. They enabled the wannabe Caligulas of today to murder people. Because if this was just business, if this was just about money, maybe I will not be as hard as I am on those people. But we're not talking about tens of thousands of people that lost their lives because of what they did. (1:35:24 - 1:35:43) We're not talking about just, it hurts me financially. We're talking about human lives, children, elderly, that were literally murdered by the actions of the police, by the actions of people, by the actions of the politicians with the help of the corrupted media. This is a genocide. (1:35:43 - 1:37:19) They did the genocide. But I would challenge them with camera. And I said, why are you doing this? You know what I would say? I got a mortgage. The most answers I got from those people, including politicians, I have bills to pay. I have children. So they were justifying this through this selfishness. They have those glasses that I have to do this because if I don't, I will be hurting. So it's better to hurt others than being hurt. That's so different than what Jesus did. Jesus chose to suffer so you don't have to suffer. The people in the past five years chose to cause the suffering on others so they don't have to suffer. And it's a human nature trying to avoid suffering. But if something is bigger than you, and that's why I was able to do what I did, and I'm still entangled with this, because if I was just looking for me and my family, I would probably not be able to do it. But I see into the future, into something that is bigger than Art Pawlowski and his family. That's why I can do what I do and go through the suffering, knowing that in the end of the day, we're fighting for something a lot bigger than Art Pawlowski. Yes. The future of our children. So I have three children. (1:37:19 - 1:37:40) And quite often I'm thinking, they're going to have children soon. And it's up to me right now, because they're not empowered yet to be able to change what is happening right now. They're too young. They don't have the funds. They don't have the platform. They don't have the ability. (1:37:41 - 1:41:35) But I do. You do. And there's more of us. If we would all come together for the sake of their children to change our circumstances today, what we do today echoes in the future. Our decisions today will impact our grandchildren tomorrow. And you know what is the biggest shocker for me? And I quite often talk to my wife about it, and I'm angry. And I said, how wicked and evil of a monster you have to be to sacrifice the future of your grandchildren for money. Because here is a story straight from behind the Iron Curtain. In the end of the day, Will, the victims and the villains are victims. In the end of the day, they don't get that because they don't study history. In the end of the day, the Nazis, you know, the Sieg Heil and all those millions of German women that were so proud of their husbands and fathers and brothers that went to pillage and rape Polish people and others. They were so proud. But in 1945, you know how many millions of German women were raped by the Soviets? Two million. Those proud German women were turned into animals, raped brutally. Many died. In the end of the day, they don't understand that they're going to be used like a filthy rag and they will be thrown out like a filthy rag that no one wants to touch. When you look at communists, if you studied the era of Joseph Stalin or Mao Zedong or any other, you know, Mussolini, when you look around their circle, everyone was suffering, including their families. If you look at those high ranking politicians in the Nazi party or communist party, in the end of the day, they all were suffering. In the end, Satan uses you and he pits you out like a filth. And it's a fascinating thing because in the end of the day, he is not an honorable person. He uses you, he abuses you. In other words, someone said they're useful idiots. Those people, those politicians, yeah, they got trinkets today. They got big name, they got the cameras, they got, you know, money and bribery and all of that stuff. But this will end. This will end. And their children. So, for example, just to make a point very clear, our own Caligula, the son of the Castro, I call him, Justin Trudeau. Justin Trudeau, it doesn't matter if he is, you know, the son of Fidel Castro or Pierre Trudeau. It doesn't matter who was his physical, biological father. In the end of the day, he was raised by Pierre and Margaret Trudeau. Messed up, psychopathic, sexual deviants. The father was having sex with multiple women while the wife was cooking dinner. Those are the stories, historical stories that we know. Margaret was an alcoholic, drug addict, messed up whore, literally a prostitute. She would go to bed with every monkey, including Fidel and others. That was a very well-known story. So, not making stuff up. So, he grew up in a messed up house. Now, if you would ask Pierre, was it worth it? He destroyed the future of his children. Look at Justin Trudeau. What a messed up man. (1:41:36 - 1:41:44) Really sad story. Marriage broken, family broken, messed up. Messed up life. (1:41:45 - 1:42:15) If Pierre and Margaret could change for the sake of his children, their children, would they do it? Is it worth it? Billions of dollars, is it worth it? If you have no peace, if you have no real joy, and if you have a messed up family. A story of billionaires and the next generations, it's a sad story. Pretty much 99% of those that inherit this lifestyle end up really, really bad. (1:42:16 - 1:43:18) And the same Hollywood. So, when you look at the Hollywood and the fame and the millions of dollars that are being given to them, you know what the price is for that? I know a little bit. I tasted. I know some friends from Hollywood. I was able to hang around with some people from the inside. They have to do sex with those directors and actors. They're being treated like whores. You want this part? Well, then you gotta do those things. They do parties, horrible things during those parties. They're never happy. Do you know that half of Canadians are hooked on antidepressants? Yes. So, we're not talking about illegal drugs only. Fentanyl and other crisis that we have. People are not happy. Those politicians are not happy people. Those millionaires are not happy people. Those police officers that are doing this evil are not happy people. So, I would say my message to them would be very simple. Stop. It's not worth it. Your mortgage is not worth your soul. (1:43:19 - 1:44:06) And that was my message to those officers. Your children, your faith, God, decency, remaining a human being. All this money that you're being given, the mortgage that you're paying, the house you live, it's not worth it. I was offered two million dollars to betray my faith and I laughed in their face. Seriously? Why would I take that? Why would I sell my family, my God, my faith, the people that look up to me for money? You can put a billion dollars. It's just a number. If God wants me to have money, you really think that his hands are too short? Listen, we're talking about God. We're not talking about Prime Minister or the President of the United States. We're talking about God. (1:44:06 - 1:45:42) If he wants me to have silver and gold, you really think he cannot do it? There are billionaires, trillionaires. He will talk to their hearts and they will send me a billion dollar check if that's what he wants. And you want me to sell everything I stand for for trinkets? You just don't know who I am. Well, we're going to make you famous, I was told by the authorities. We will be on every newspaper. We'll do documentaries about you. And I said, whom I will have to kill for that. And they laughed as well and they said, oh no, you just, the only thing we want is just don't talk about Jesus. Right. Keep doing what you're doing, just don't talk about religion. And I want to step in right there, because of what you just said, don't talk about Jesus. So I make some comments of my own, because when I asked you earlier about how we get those few people who are on the other side, but who actually do have morals and ethics activated, it was something of a trick question, because I knew what your answer was going to be. Because here's something I've been saying very since the beginning of all this, that tyrants always lose in the end. And there's a reason why. Because they cannot understand the concept of altruism. Why in their minds would anybody ever do something that's sacrificial, that does nothing for them and benefits other people, many who they don't even know. And that's what you've been talking about, selflessness. Because the only value that we have in this life is what we do for other people. (1:45:44 - 1:50:57) And so now I'm once again, I think I did this in another interview with you. I don't mention this very often, because I don't usually talk about myself. But you know, I am an atheist, but I refer to myself as a respectful atheist. It means I certainly can't disprove God. So for all I know, you're right and God does exist. But the reason why I will tell people that I'm an atheist is because it gives a great more power to what I'm about to say next. The reason why our society is in this mess, the reason why they have been able to persecute people like you, the reason why we have these tyrants with so much power is because our society has forgotten their Christian values. Because unfortunately, most people don't get taught that the only thing of value in our lives is what we do for others. But Christianity teaches that. It gives them that guide. And when our society was largely Christian, even though there was lots of people who went to church who didn't actually believe it, but they went anyway, because they understood that that was the way society worked. That when everybody looked out for everyone else, that worked. And when everybody looks out for themselves, that's anarchy and that falls apart. And so the trick question there was not how do we activate those people, but how do we get so many of them that that never happens in the first place. And the way we do that is to give people that guidance of understanding. The only thing of value is what you do for other people. I was talking about why this is happening to us, because the people in power hate accountability. You know why they really, really hate God? Because God reminds us all that one day we're going to die and we'll face justice. I call him the judge of judges. So we're dealing with the rogue crooked judges left and right right now. But those judges will stand one day, maybe tomorrow, maybe today, maybe five years from now, 10 years from now. Some of them are old already. They're still working as judges. And I'm looking at them like, oh fool, don't you know that soon you're going to face the judge of judges and you will give an account for everything you did. That's why they hate God and Christianity so much, because God and Christianity is reminding them about accountability. In the end of the day, if you look at every tyrant, the one number one thing they hated was accountability. That's why tyrants fight God so much. Because if there is God, there is right and wrong. If there is God, there is accountability. If there is God, there are commandments that we should follow. And they're good commandments. I shall not murder. But seriously, if Christianity is so wrong, you would like people to go around and murder your children and your grandchildren, like seriously, your wives and your husbands, or they shall not steal. So you're telling me that you hate this commandment so much. Well, give me your address so I can come for a TV when my breaks or your car. If you think that this commandment is so bad, well, give up your house so I can have it. Right? Or they shall not commit adultery or all those other things. Honor your father and your mother. What's wrong with that? We should honor our parents. After all, they raised us. Yeah, maybe they were not the best in some cases, but we are to honor them just because in a way they brought us here. So we are here in a way, in a big way, thanks to them. Right? So those are simple things that we used to understand. It was prayer in a school. So you were teaching children accountability. Hey, there's someone that is watching you. So don't do those bad things. That's not a bad thing. Even if you don't believe, we should believe in accountability. There used to be 10 commandments at our court systems. No longer. No more. Because those judges don't want to see all those commandments that they're breaking every day in their job. The same police officers. So I just did a teaching. I encourage people to watch it on, it was a two-part teaching on a history of Canada. You know, Canada was established on the word of God. 25 verses are on the Parliament Hill to this day reminding us that there is God. It's incredible. Our national anthem. I challenge you. If you know Canadian national anthem, it's a prayer to God. Our national anthem, it's a prayer to God. You know that God keep our land glorious and free. Oh Canada, we stand on guard for the ruler supreme who hears our humble prayer. Like this is a Canadian national anthem. God keep our land glorious and free. And we hate this so much. So our Charter of Rights and Freedoms Constitution is based on the word of God. (1:50:57 - 1:52:14) Again, I just quoted it at the beginning, where is Canada acknowledges the supremacy of God and the rule of law. There is no rule of law without God because only God can keep us accountable. Here's the problem. You have your own opinion. I have my opinion. And if you have a million other people that have their own opinions, you've got mess. What brings us together as a society? There has to be universal standard that we can agree. If it's lawlessness, it's subject to interpretation. That's why section one in our Constitution is so bad because it's subject to interpretation. That's why I challenged Danielle Smith, the Premier of Alberta. This is ridiculous. You amended the Bill of Rights, but you put section one, which means this whole document means nothing now because you've got crooked judge. That's the difference between the Constitution in the States and our own laws, that there is black and white. It's not subject to an interpretation of a corrupted man that got $2 million suitcase as a bribery because it happens all the time. It has to be something so solid that everyone will have to, okay, you cannot touch this. (1:52:14 - 1:52:25) That's the 10th commandment. That's why they hated so much and removed it. So now you've got section one and you've got a rogue, woke judge that maybe hates you. (1:52:26 - 1:53:46) Maybe he grew up in a family that his father was an abuser, but went to church. Now, this person hates you because, you know, the feelings come back and it triggers his memories and he associates the corrupted actions of father or mother with a holy God that hated those actions as well. That was my problem. I vowed never to go to church. It's funny now, I'm a pastor, never go to church because I saw the corruption within the Catholic church and I mean corruption at the highest level. And I said, if those are God's representatives, I don't want to have anything to do with that God. But you see, I did not read the Bible. And when I started reading the Bible, I find out that God hates this corruption as much as I hated this corruption or more. I associated the actions of corrupted people with the holy God. That was my mistake. And lots of people are making those mistakes. There's nothing wrong with his commandments, nothing wrong with his law and order, accountability. If you do bad, you should be punished. That's why I am advocating for the capital punishment for the politicians, because there's nothing worse than a man that receives a mandate to protect me that betrayed me. It's like mafia. (1:53:46 - 1:54:33) Those people should be charged with treason. Rogue judges should be charged with treason. Wrong police officers should be charged with criminal offenses more severely than regular folks because they have been given a pistol and a badge and authority to protect the society. But if they choose that power given to them to hurt society, they should be judged double. It's like the speeding. When you go through an area where there's construction, double fines. Well, if you are a man of power, you should be charged double. You know, that would fix the problem in a big part. There will always be crooked people. (1:54:34 - 2:00:14) Unfortunately, we can't get rid of this, but there will be a lot less of them. Right now, Canada is a lawless, corrupted nation to the core. The level of corruption right now and injustice and those people not following even their own rules is like, I remember growing up under communism. Lawlessness. One law for you, a totally different law for me. I'll prove it to you with Jason Kenney and some of the people that are still in power. When we were arrested, remember that arrest, we went to jail three days, two nights. And when we were released, a few days after we were released, Jason Kenney throws a party at the Sky Palace, right? Whiskey, no social distancing. No one was wearing a muzzle. The very things we were arrested for, they were doing a more, actually, I would say to you that we were saving lives. We were giving people hope. They were just partying for themselves. Selfishness. And they were caught red-handed. There was a minister, it was what, Jason Nixon was there, or Jeremy Nixon, it was Jason Kenney, it was Travis Taves, the minister of finance, a few other devils were partying over there. And they were caught red-handed. And you would think, okay, you just arrested clergy for this, for coming together. And you just did the very thing of wars then you arrested us for. And what was their response? Nothing to see here. In other words, when I said to the judge in my final speech to the judge, which my lawyer didn't want me to say, but I said, I need to say those things. And I enraged the judge, Adam Germain, so much. But I said, if I'm guilty, if my brother is guilty, then we should share a cell with the premier of Alberta and his ministers. Because if I'm guilty, they are guilty even more. And you know what the judge said? You're ridiculous. Why? They broke the law, in quotes, just like you say we did. Why am I ridiculous? Why those people can break the law, in quotes, and get away with it with your protection. And I cannot. That's lawlessness. That's exactly a definition of communist socialism and fascism and every other totalitarian regime that we remember from history. One law for me and one law, a totally different law for you, right? Because somehow you are above the law. To me, that's mafia. That's not government. And we in Canada right now, we have mafia. And going back to the book, why I encourage you to watch it, to read it, because when I was still on house arrest, remember I was approached on about 10 different occasions by people from political realm offering me things. I was offered money. I was offered a guaranteed seat at the legislature. I was offered a government job, $250,000 to be chair of public inquiry. All kinds of things were offered to me. And when they realize I'm not for sale, and I quite often tell the people, Artur Pawlowski is not for sale because I have been already bought by the precious blood of Jesus. In other words, you cannot sell something you do not own anymore. After that, they were political fixers. And the shocker to me was the names involved in this attempted, not only bribery, but later on, blackmail. It was Stephen Harper. It was Pierre Poilievre. It was Jason Kenney. Those were the people that were sending messages to me through the political fixers that if I don't withdraw myself from the political public life, I will be assassinated. They said Gordon Cranky, the crooked judge from Medicine Hat, it's quite interesting because all those judges were handpicked by the government to try us. They were not the judges. Normally, you're being judged by the local judge, but they would bring all those judges from across the province. Adam Germain was from Fort Macquarie. David Gibbs, who knows where he is from. Gordon Cranky from Medicine Hat, another guy from another city that was judging the Coutts people, the boys from Coutts. They were handpicked to do this corruption. And I was told the judge is bought and paid for. Gordon Cranky is our judge. He's bought and paid for, and he was told to sentence you to prison and you're not coming out if you don't listen to us. And I didn't, because I'm taking my chances with God, not with those crooked people. I'll tell you why. The moment you allow fear to enter your heart, you're finished. You're done. You will not be able to do this if you allow them to scare you. You're finished. You're done. (2:00:15 - 2:02:43) Because you will be so fearful. You will always be looking behind your back and thinking, I can't do this show. I can't talk about this. I can't talk about that. They're watching me. I'm going to be destroyed. I'm going to be killed. If you allow this fear to enter your heart, you're finished. So you have to keep doing the opposite. I always say to the people that you have to face the evil people. And by the way, good people never bow before evil people. That's why the title of the book is Lions Do Not Bow. We don't bow before the hyenas. And the moment you allow the evil people to take over you, you will not be able to do it. And you'll always be scared of everything. And the only way to overcome this is, I call it Artur Pawlowski style. It's a head-on collision. In other words, when you're being told by corrupted people, don't do something, you do the opposite. You do more. So if I was told not to come and do this interview with you, I would do this interview. I would go back home and I would do an additional one. Because that way, you're also sending a message to those people and saying, not only I will not bow, I will do more, not less. And that's, I think, the story of Artur Pawlowski and the Get Out video is you just gotta keep doing what you know is the right thing to do. And you pray and you hope that others will see it. And during this time, they blanketed the whole earth with fear and terror. What we need to do, and that's what the book is all about, we need to blanket the whole earth with courage and boldness. If Artur Pawlowski can do it, if Will can do it, that means anyone can. And that's the truth. With God, we have already won. The enemy just doesn't know it yet. And you keep going, keep roaring, know who you are. You are, you know, you're God's creation for something great, not to become a slave of the globalist agenda.