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The debate over fluoride in our water has been raging for years now. On the one hand, we have the dental industry telling us it prevents cavities. On the other, data which shows that fluoride is a toxin that causes brain damage.
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Years ago, if a medical college disciplined a doctor, we could be fairly sure that was a doctor we shouldn't trust. But since the start of the COVID narrative, we've seen one ethical doctor after another targeted by the colleges for telling us the truth. So much so that today, at least for myself, if a doctor has been attacked by their college, it's a sign they can be trusted.
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Dr. Bob Dickson is one such doctor. The founder of Safe Water Calgary, Bob knows more about the detrimental effects of fluoride than any expert I've ever spoken with. 38% of municipalities in Canada are currently fluoridating their water, while data shows a catastrophic effect on our long-term health, and especially on our children.
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Then, just two weeks ago, a bombshell report revealed that in the US, the CDC was pressuring municipalities to keep fluoride in their water. Why? The answer, as always, is who benefits. And in this case, the answer to that question will not only shock you, but convince you that not only does fluoridated water have almost no effect on preventing cavities, but it was never put into our water for that reason in the first place.
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Dr. Bob, welcome back to the show. Nice to be here, Will. It's been a very long time.
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You were actually one of my early interviews when I started becoming a journalist way back in 2020, 2021. And, yeah, it's been a long time. A lot's happened since then.
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A lot has happened since then. And you and I were talking before the interview about how, before I became a journalist, a freedom fighter, and started questioning everything I'd been taught, I thought fluoridated water was actually a good thing. You know, it's good for your teeth.
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Even you, back in the 90s, you're a doctor, of course. You thought, sure. And then you started doing your research.
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So let's start with that, Bob. Why shouldn't we have fluoride in our water? Well, as you mentioned, in 1998, I voted for water fluoridation as a busy family doctor, didn't have time to look at the literature and everything that came across my desk. And Alberta Health Services made it sound pretty good.
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Calgary Health Region, they had some glitzy pamphlets and brochures and had the radio waves and the TV ads and sounded like a good thing. Helped the poor, you know, save cavities in the poorest. So I voted for water fluoridation in 98.
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And then friends came to me, activist friends, and said, you really should look at the literature. Took that as a challenge, and I did. And my goodness, what I found.
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And so I enlisted Dr. James Beck, who is one of my mentors at the medical school at University of Calgary, PhD MD, double PhD MD. And he looked at the literature. And he said to me a couple of weeks later, he said, Bob, there's so much science here that we'll win this in a few months.
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And I said, OK, Jim, let's do it. 12 years later, yes, 12 years ago, we finally got it out in 2011. Fluoridation was ended in Calgary in 2011 without a vote.
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And I have to add there, we should not be voting in a plebiscite whether to medicate your neighbor, your friends, whatever. But unfortunately, it's coming back here in Calgary. It is, unfortunately, because of the, shall we say, insidious efforts of the pro-fluoridationists behind the scenes, in front of the scenes, on the press.
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We can't get in the press at all. The last six years, we've not been allowed any press on the anti-fluoridation side. We have many experts in Canada and the United States that could speak to this, but we're not allowed from the highest pay grades in the press to have anything anti-fluoridation printed.
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So that means all the new science is out, all the literature, all the data, we cannot get out in the press. And so how do you get that out? Well, mainstream media, Mr. Facebook still blocks me. Just this last week, again, censored, blocked, shoved down so low that nobody sees any of our information.
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So what's wrong with fluoride, you asked? How long do we have, Will? We have as much time as it takes, Bob, because people need to know. And I know a tenth, maybe, of what you know. And what I know is enough for me to think, are we insane to be putting this in our water? Yeah.
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So you know way more than most people. So fluoride, yeah, we can start from the top of the head. The pineal gland, it calcifies the pineal gland, which is basically the seat of the soul and our decision-making and our well-being spiritually, that's calcified by fluoridation, by fluoride.
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Kids' brains, that's the biggest part. And over the last 10 years, there's been a plethora of good studies that have come out on damage to kids' brains. The main cohort in Canada is called the MIREC cohort.
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And that's not really important to remember. It's just that that came out of Health Canada. It's been going on 20 years now, where they study right from prenatal and then they follow the kids all the way through.
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So the MIREC cohort, that stands for Maternal Infant Research on Environmental Contaminants. So in 2015 or thereabouts, researchers started looking and going, huh, I wonder if we could look at fluoride with this. And they looked at it and they went, oh my goodness, there's urine fluoridating measurements all the way through.
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And so they started teasing that apart and came up with some excellent studies, probably a dozen now. That's Dr. Christine Till and her colleagues, Dr. Ashlyn Malin, Dr. Rivka Green out of York University in Toronto, and primarily Dr. Bruce Lanphear too out of Simon Fraser University in Vancouver. Bruce Lanphear is probably the top scientist doctor in Canada.
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His research led to us getting the lead out of our system over the last 20, 30 years. His was the seminal research that the NIH, the HHS, the CDC all used in the States to and the EPA to take lead levels virtually out of our environment, out of our water, out of our systems. And but of course, those people just like you are being silenced.
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Yeah, him not so much because he's walked that nice middle ground where I'm a scientist, I don't, I'm not pro-fluoride, I'm not anti-fluoride. Here's the science, you make the decision. And of course, he is anti-fluoride because all his research shows brain damaging kids and he doesn't want to damage kids' brains.
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Right. And when we talk about that brain damage, because we need to put a number on that, that as far as the studies that I know are showing that children who are drinking fluoridated water will have on average an IQ seven points lower than the kids who do not. Plus they have higher instances of autism.
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Yes, you're correct. And the number of seven is hard to pin down because some studies show no decrease in brain function or IQ at all, but that's very few of them. So if you look at the National Toxicology Program in the United States, that's a group of very brilliant scientists and doctors out of that umbrella of organizations under the HHS, Health and Human Services, that Robert Kennedy has just taken over.
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And if you look at their studies, they came out with 74, after going through thousands of studies, animal and human studies, they came up with 74 studies that were quite good. And 66 of those 74 studies showed brain damage in kids. And out of those 64, 18 of the top, like most highly rated studies, the best quality studies showed brain damage.
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18 of the 19 studies showed brain damage in kids. And that's anywhere from, a couple of them might have been just one or two points, but the average was probably around three, four, five, and some were as high as 10 to 15 points when infants are bottle fed fluoridated formula, formula that's made from fluoridated water. So when their mother had fluoridation and fluoride during pregnancy, harm is done there.
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And then when they're bottle fed with fluoridated water, that's when you're getting up in the numbers of seven, maybe even 10 or 15 IQ points loss. Even one IQ point loss, which is proven in the lead studies as well, is huge in a societal and population level. And that can cost society billions of dollars and loss productivity and all that.
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But if you're getting into three, four, five IQ points, five IQ points will shift that bell curve of IQ, which the median IQ would be 100. So there's 50% on each side. And out on the very wings or tips of that bell curve are the developmentally handicapped folks that need our help and are going to be quite costly for society.
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And the geniuses on the other side. A drop of four or five IQ points will shift that bell curve down to 50% more people on the handicapped development, the handicapped side and 50% less geniuses who we need to solve our real problems. Yes.
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And that is huge, Bob, because here's something that people often don't understand or maybe haven't thought about is that technological progress, societal progress is not driven by the masses. It's driven by those creative geniuses on the top end of the bell curve. And so if we lose 50% of those people, it's catastrophic what that's going to cost us societally, technologically and finding future solutions to problems.
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And here's another thing that I think we have to bring up. And just to prove that I was listening, the last time we did an interview years ago, because I still remember this, you made this very good point. Okay, sure.
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There's going to be people who will argue that the concentration of fluoride in the drinking water is extremely low, but you made the very good point. Okay. So, but when you fluoride the water, you can only control the concentration.
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You can't control the dosage because you don't know how much water people are going to drink. Yeah. That argument is spurious in several ways.
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Yeah. For one thing for sure that the pro-fluoridationists never, ever talked to us about, will never answer to us or to in the press is that you cannot control dose of anything that's in the water. That's why there's not aspirin or Tylenol or Prozac or Lipitor or anything else in the water, because you can't control the dose.
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That's why 97% of Europe does not fluoridate. They just looked at it and went, what do you mean we're going to put it in the water? You can't control the dose there. Why would you ever medicate anybody with something you cannot control the dose? You sit there and drink 10 glasses of water and I drink one, you're getting 10 times the dose.
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Who's monitoring or controlling that? I mean, that in itself should just end this whole water fluoridation thing. It should. And you just mentioned a huge percentage of Europe doesn't fluoridate.
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Yeah. I think that the number here in Canada, and I'm sure you probably have the top of your head for something of 70% of municipalities in Canada are fluoridating the water. That's Ontario.
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Okay. That's Ontario. Okay.
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So if you go right across Canada, it's 38%, that's the number. About 42% in Alberta. And if we start fluoridating in a month or two as they're planning to do, that'll swing Alberta's number over 50%.
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But BC right next door to us, 98%, over 98% of BC does not fluoridate. Wow. Their teeth in Vancouver, for instance, are way better than the kids' teeth in Toronto that's been fluoridating since 1967.
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So if you go across Canada, we're about in the mid-range of fluoridated here in Alberta. BC doesn't fluoridate. Ontario, 71% fluoridation.
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So they're the highest fluoridated and the most populous province in Canada. But right next door to them is Quebec. Can you hazard a guess what Quebec might fluoridate at? I actually have no idea.
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99.75% not fluoridated in Quebec. Not fluoridated. Their teeth are just as good, thank you very much, as those in 71% fluoridated Ontario.
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Yeah. And let's talk about those studies because the rationale that we've been given for putting the fluoride in the water is it's going to protect our teeth. It's going to cost us money in dental care, but that's not what the data shows.
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