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Documentaries on COVID and the lockdowns are not new, but many of them are targeted at those who are awake, those who already understand that the entire pandemic was orchestrated from the virus itself to the government and media propaganda,
to censorship and cancelling of experts who attempted to tell the public the truth. But four years in, very few documentaries are yet to be crafted to reach those who were not aware of the facts.
facts, but who might be open to hearing the truth, if it's presented in an even -handed, calm and rational manner. Vanessa Dylan,
a veteran Canadian filmmaker, has done exactly that with her latest documentary, COVID Collateral. I was privileged to be granted an advanced screening of the film,
which will be released on May 9. As I watched it, I was struck by the difference between Vanessa's work on this documentary and so many others that have been produced in the past few years.
While all of them have revealed essential truths, Vanessa's style is more in line with old -fashioned journalism. It avoids inflammatory statements that could discredit the high -profile scientists in the film,
such as Dr. Scott Atlas, Dr. J. Biden. and Dr. Paul Merrick, among many others. At the same time, it presents some shocking truths, but in such a way as to be non -threatening to those who may have bought into the narrative.
If you watch my show, then you almost certainly have friends and family who have closed their ears to any COVID -related truths you've tried to tell them. COVID collateral would very well be the documentary that finally reaches them.
They get them to open their minds and start to question the official narrative. Vanessa,
welcome to the show. Thank you. Great to. e here, Will. And I wanted to thank you for giving me a preview of COVID collateral I've been one of the privileged few people to be able to see it before the official release It's an excellent documentary and as I was watching it.
It struck me that It's a little different than other documentaries. I’ve seen which Seem be very much aimed at the people who are fully awake have been for years So exactly what's going on this documentary seem to be targeted more to people who might be maybe on the fence Who's your target?
target audience with this and what are you hoping to achieve with it? Well whenever I start a film I ask myself a question and that is what does the public need to know about this?
What information is the public not getting that they should get? And I realized that if I was going to tackle a subject as huge as COVID ,
because we’ve all had our own experiences of COVID, I had better deal with the general public. More specifically, people who are left of center to right of center.
That is that movable middle of those intelligent, thoughtful people who will look at the documentary and learn something. [AUDIO OUT] And I specifically wanted to focus on the suppression of science during COVID because this is what the general public does not know about.
Many people still believe that their grandmother or mother died of COVID because some animal in a wet market transmitted the virus to a human being.
being. Whereas there's been a tremendous amount of science out there that has been censored. And the big question in the film is,
what happens in a free society when science is censored? And as Dr. Scott Atlas says in our film, people don it.
- So my purpose in making this film was to Let the public know that there had been a group of dissenting scientists a group of very prominent well -regarded scientists That had been protesting against lockdowns right from day one These people were censored.
These people were ridiculed by the mainstream media, by their own medical institutions, by big tech. And these people had grave concerns about lockdowns.
And some of these people, such as Jay Bhattacharya, Scott Atlas, Dr. Paul Merrick, and Martin Kuhldorf, all had deep reservations about lockdowns.
lockdowns, and they felt that we did not have the scientific basis upon which to lockdown. And the other storyline in the film where we look at the suppression of science is what is the actual origin of COVID?
And we’ve gotten two popular answers, and one is that it was a natural evolutionary process, animal to human.
But we also know that there is the theory of a lab in China, and we know now that the FBI actually from day one COVID landed on our doorstep from China.
We know that many scientists took a look at the genome, took a look at that the COVID genome and said, "Hey, wait a minute. There’s this little fur and cleavage here in the corner of this genome and it seems as if this thing has been tampered with.
It can only be tampered with in a lab." Yes. And so I wanted to tell the public the background to the whole lab leak theory. Right.
Who was protecting whom and why? Right. And you did a very good job of that. And I wouldn’t want to suggest to the viewers that only you know, people who have not been awake for years should watch this because there was a couple of gems in there that even I didn't know,
as much as I have been paying attention and you're doing experts now for years on this, one of the ones that really got me that I didn't know about was the US and UK diplomats and scientists who were taking on a tour of five Chinese cities very early on,
just as governments were contemplating these lockdowns. And it was all theater, of course. And I mean, and everybody's a lot of people have seen these videos. videos that came out of China in early 2020, of bodies in the street, which was all theater,
of course, that wasn’t actually happening. And this is how the Chinese convinced these US, UK scientist diplomats that lockdowns were going to work. And I actually hadn’t known about that,
that little bit of propaganda of political subterfuge. So it was things like that that are in here that really tie this story together and show. that this was all very concerted effort not just to censor,
but to propagandize to politicalize To push this narrative forward and get every country on board doing these buried harmful octets. I Think China must think that we're fools They must think that our Western leaders and that our scientists are fools because as one commentator said in the film China locks down for a month.
They lock down Wuhan and they announce to the world, "Look, it's a month later we have beat this virus. Come and have a look." And so the Western world sends its top delegates,
sends some of its scientists over, and as we say in the film, they get wind and dine, and then all of a sudden they mainstream media. media piles on this and says,
China’s got this licked. What’s wrong with us? Look, look at China’s example. Why aren’t we following China's example? Why aren’t we locking down? That was the entire mainstream media,
New York Times, Washington Post, all of those outlets. So there was a lot of pressure on the government to lock down. Also, the WHO was promoting the law.
and we know that China has a disproportionate influence, shall we say, on the WHO. We also know that China, in 2000,
they already knew about COVID in 2019, it had been circulating in China. And we know that whistleblowers, Chinese scientists who were whistleblowers,
all of a sudden, were not heard from anymore. How they disappeared, we don't know, but that's what happens. Yes. One of them supposedly stepped off of a building and committed suicide.
Well, yeah. How do y. prove that? How do you prove you wasn't throwing off the building? And you’re quite right. And those ones I did know about, there was a number of scientists in China that just went missing because they were going along with the narrative.
Exactly. And another thing that we know, which was not covered in the film, because there's a lot of really interesting research and background stuff that we couldn't stuff into this film,
was that the US scientists, Anthony Fauci's institute, had been working on gain of function research in China with Chinese scientists,
and they had been working on this for years. years. So the likelihood that this came from a lab was very high because the Wuhan Institute of Virology is a level four biohazard lab,
which means you should be walking around with a hazmat suit in there. And yet the FBI knew that the institute was operating at a level two,
which is like your local dental office. Yes. I mean, it's not, I think it's, you know, this is China. And that one of the funders of the collaboration between the US scientists and the Chinese scientists,
one of the funders of this gain of function research was Peter Daz. He was the UK scientist who kind of parceled out all of this money.
Well, he was so concerned about the virus escaping from a lab that in 2018 he asked the National Institutes of Health for insurance, insurance money to cover a possible leak.
Now, I know that I think for the average viewer in the United States and Canada. Canada, thinking about the possibility that your mother died or your grandmother died of COVID because of some accident in a lab in China could be very difficult to deal with.
And not only that, but as you cover in the documentary, and I think it was Dr. Merrick who talked about this, all these people were put on intubators. And he’s an expert in this area, he says you don't put.
people who are respiratory distress on intubators. Intubators are for when you're doing intervention, like an intervention surgery or something, you don't put them on those because they can't breathe. If they reach that point,
you failed. And of c. se they're putting on these intubators on these ventilators. They’re giving them drugs that are causing kidney failure and they're killing them. And that was something that you touched on in the documentary as well.
and this was once again getting back to this this huge I don't know how to call this huge machine of censorship of Canceling the scientists who spoke out and exactly your prejudice presented in the documentary some of the top ones as you say Dr.
Bate not a dr. Jade Botticharia Dr. Paul Merrick Scott Atlas all these people who were very vocal at the beginning and just got attacked for it. And what struck me though was how good a job you did of presenting the collusion of the media and how they would just,
as like a wolf pack, go after anybody with the same message and it happened over and over again. But before we touch on details of that and how it happened to say here in Canada or in the US.
I wanted to ask you a question. on the cooperation between the Chinese government -controlled media and what I would call the globalist -controlled media in the rest of the world in Europe and North America,
because it seems to me that very obviously there was collusion there where we had this drama, this play happening in China for the cameras of these bodies and the streets and these diplomats were taken to the cities and showed that oh yes lockdowns absolutely worked and then what we had was we had media in the rest of the world jumping on that train right to the flight worth in New York City they were showing these
refrigerator trucks supposedly for the bodies um and it was just it was it was amazing to me too I mean I knew it was happening but to see it all condensed in this one documentary ,
the degree to which media colluded to create this illusion, this story. So I’d like your opinion on that. What was the cooperation there between China and the worldwide media?
And do you think somebody's pulling all the same strings here? You know what? But I am not sure if there was collusion between China and the worldwide media.
I think, because I don't think any institution or any government is that well -organized. I think that the general world media tends to,
especially in North America and I think Western Europe, tends to skew a little left and I think they're afraid of being called racist and they tend to go soft on China.
China, even though the evidence is in front of their faces that China is committing intellectual property theft worldwide. And certainly we’ve seen in Canada they are there influencing our democratic elections.
We know that. So there’s a tremendous influence there, but somehow the media tends to go soft on China. The other issue was that I think the mainstream media tended to push the button on the fear factor.
I think they tended to whip up a lot of scary images, and I think what was in really short supply in the mainstream media were facts, were just calm,
well -articulated facts. For example, one of the things that they really fell down on was the whole And I think they tended to whip up a lot of scary images, and I think they tended to whip up a lot of scary images, and I think they tended to whip up a lot of scary images. of risk stratification. So everyone listening to whether it was CBC at night or Fox or MSNBC,
it seemed as if we were all at equal risk to catch COVID. Whereas the Center for Disease Control knew very early on that the average COVID patient was 86.
years old and frail. The average patient had already exceeded the average lifespan. Yes. But we were being told that we were all equally at risk.
And this was one of the big lies. So I think the mainstream media has a lot to answer for. And I think certainly in Canada and the US, we've lost.
We’ve lost. we’ve lost public trust in our mainstream media. And with very good reason, one of the most egregious examples of popping and censorship that you included in the documentary had to do with the studies that were the seroprevalence studies that were done by Dr.
John Villaniz, Dr. J. Bottacheria, in California where they took thousands of people, tested their blood, which was really the only reliable way to find out if they had antibodies, which would show that they'd been infected.
infected. And they found a huge infection rate. I can remember Dr. John Ioannidis talking about this with 92%, 94%, 96 % of people had been infected. And it was from that that they were able to reveal the lie where,
yeah, the CDC and Anthony Fauci had come out saying something about 3 .4 % infection fatality rate, which was called complete fiction. And this seroprevalence study showed no,
it was actually 0 .2. .2, 0 .3, which was substantially lower than say, H1N1. And they got just literally attacked by the media,
by government, everybody went after them. - Yeah, so we have a fantastic expert, William Shagwick, who's the lead founder of the Fields Institute.
And he talks about this. - Yes, he talks. about just how the numbers were skewed and that medical leaders were using the case fatality ratio.
That is, the number of people that were sick enough to go to the hospital, they used that as the death rate instead of using the infection fatality rate. That is,
most of us who got COVID did not get COVID. sick enough to go to the doctor or the hospital. So what we were lacking, both from our health institutions and the mainstream media,
was really an accurate assessment of who is at risk and what is the actual fatality rate if we take into account how many people are actually infected with this virus.
Yes. - Yes, and I have to ask it because you were so exposed to this, all the research you had to do on that propaganda, on that censorship,
and why do people watch my show? Why do they watch other independent media because it's the only source of truth right now? Mainstream media is lying about just about everything. Do you have any hope that that might at some point in time turn around?
I think you and I are probably around about the same age bracket. We can remember growing up with Wall Street. Walter Krumkite and Barbara Walters and Edward R. Murrow And they told us the truth You know, we could turn on a television at six o 'clock to the news and we could actually hear the truth And now people turn to know it and it's nothing but lies lies lies propaganda lies Do you think it will ever turn
around? Do you think that mainstream media whatever doing about face or do you think they're gonna die out and get replaced with the Independent conservative media that will eventually grow to replace them?
I think, you know, let's take Canada. If Mr. TruMr. were to stop funding a certain kind of media,
then I think it would die a natural death. And I think it would have to, I mean, I'd like the idea of how a national broadcaster.
I think we need a national broadcaster, but I think our national broadcaster needs to get back to fair and intelligent public discourse because right now they are functioning as a propaganda machine.
There’s instead of giving the public actual facts. And I think we need to get back to that kind of media. I mean, I think this will balance itself out.
I think we’re living through the worst excesses right now. I’m hoping it will balance itself out. As do I. Now Vanessa,
I wanted you to give our viewers a bit of an education because you and I were talking before the show. You’ve done a number of documentaries that says, "Not your first one. I’m now working on my first one." And you gave me a bit of an education that there's a lot more to getting this approved and out there in front of the public than people realize.
Would you please explain what you've had to go through to get this documentary in a form where you can release it? Sure. Well, I'm a, I'm a mainstay.
filmmaker, so I don't slap films onto YouTube. I actually have to go through quite a process. My average film takes about two years to actually get made,
so it’s two years of serious research and getting the financing in place, getting a good creative team in place, tearing my hair out throughout the whole process,
but finally it gets made. So if you’re a mainstream filmmaker, whether it's in the US or Canada or even in France and Germany,
you have to pitch an idea to some kind of funder. You have to compete against the thousands of other people who are pitching the same few broadcasters.
So you have to come up with a very, very sound a concept. You have to have it written out, what we call a deck. Ideally, you have to fork out some money and create trailer.
And then with all of that, you have to make sure that you present the broadcaster with a solid team. You don’t show up with an idea. You have to show work. And I would say one out of 20 of my pitches may maybe get made.
And so then you go through an entire process if the broadcaster says, "Yes, we're willing to actually go with this." Then there are a number of funds that are available to you,
and then you have to go out and you have to get other funding, usually other sources. Sometimes foreign broadcasters will come in. For example, I’ve done what's called treaty co -productions.
-productions, where it’s admin and bureaucracy heavy. So I’ve done films with partners in France, the UK. And these are big treaties where both...
And are you at liberty to discuss who that original broadcaster backer was? And even if you're not, what sort of hurdles did they throw in? front of you that you had to overcome?
Well, I pitched this to some of the regular suspects across Canada. All of the broadcasters that I've normally dealt with who know my work,
they weren’t going to touch this with a 10 -foot pole. So I got this nice desert of silence, this polite silence. I finally landed on a small Canadian broadcaster called New Tang Dynasty and the reason they went with that,
the commissioning editor there happened to be a vaccinologist and he happened to have worked with the first SARS vaccine and he was writing a number of articles in the epic times about the corruption of science during COVID.
So I knew this was my man. man. So I had a meeting with him, we got a little bit of funding, then we got more funding from the from the Canada media fund,
and then we had to start looking elsewhere. And we still, we still don't, even though the film is made right now, we still don't have the film financed. So I’m beating the bushes so I can pay back my loans.
All right. So let's. talk about the premier, because it's going to be coming out in a few days. Yes. And where is the very first showing? So the premiere is in Toronto at the Isabel Bader Theatre on May 9th,
7 o 'clock. And you . get your tickets on the film's website, www .covidcollateral .com. And you can watch our four -minute trailer there.
And once that premier has been released, then what's the distribution plan? Well, first of all, the Broadcaster in Canada gets first window,
and then I try to get distribution in the US. So I have an American publicist who's helping me with that. He’s very keen on the film and he thinks it will do well.
well in the U .S. We have heard from some representatives of some senators in Washington, representatives who've seen the film and they're very keen on it.
So I’m hoping to get some nice exposure down south. Now, as we discussed, and it's my last question,
Vanessa, as we discussed earlier on in the interview, your target audience isn't so much, you know, the right wing, people like myself who knew exactly what was going on, although I still think they should watch it because there was.
Yes. As I said, some things in here that even I didn't know. And it is very well packaged. It’s very linear, very logically done, and it focuses on two main themes and it does it very, very well. But because your audience is that sort of center group,
what do you focus on? will happen with those people after they see this? I am hoping that the film will open a reasonable dialogue between people who have been on the left of center and right of center.
What I’m hoping for is that the film, through people watching it either on the website eventually or... I’m hoping that the public will want to hold its own public screenings.
I think this is very important. I think the film should be shown in big public spaces because like our Toronto screening we have four really good experts on our post screening panel and I think if we have a lot of public screenings with panelists we can get large numbers of the audience engaged in dialogue because in the end will.
We have to forgive each other and also. I think we have to have the proper skepticism of our public institutions and I am not pointing fingers here I'm not pointing fingers certainly politicians all our local politicians were just as panic does everyone else.
else was. And I . nk they did their best. But the bigger picture is we have to look at our public institutions and ask ourselves, does this institution have the public interest at heart?
- Yes, and I have to say Vanessa, I think you crafted this extremely well. If you were to take, say, most of my views, or the people that you're aiming at.
this documentary at, you had to watch, say, my show. They’d watch five minutes of it walk away, going, "The guys are crazy conspiracy theorist." But you’ve done this in such a way where you're presenting the facts. Everything in here is factual.
Everything’s coming directly from the mouths of experts, but it's done in such a reasonable, even -tempered way that I do hope that you're going to reach a lot of those people who are in the center, and who are going to watch the whole thing,
and they’re going to go, "Oh." "Oh, I didn’t know any of that." Maybe it’s time I started thinking about it and hopefully maybe it's time I started questioning what's coming of the media, what's coming from our government.
You know, well, we, again, being in the Canadian system, this film can't be broadcast without errors and emissions insurance, which means I can't say anything that I want in this film.
It has to be lawyered out and so And so we do have, there's some really inflammatory things that people said in our interviews that we couldn't put on camera.
First of all, I make a journalistic judgment on whether I feel that's a fair comment. If it’s not a fair comment, I just don't include it in the film. But then I have lawyers.
I have a group of U .S. lawyers that looked at this film very carefully for me. libel. And it's clean. We had all the backup.
It’s clean. And I can certainly see that. As I say, I think you did an excellent job. And I really do hope that this does get through to a lot of people who need to see this information and see it in such a way where it's not threatening to them,
where it simply prevents them from the truth. And in a way that's almost impossible to refute. So, once again, Vanessa, thank you so much for doing an excellent job. Thank you for your time for this interview.
Thank you, Will, for having me.