(0:00 - 1:45) Mark Carney has now been unleashed on Canada to wreak his globalist agenda, an agenda which will further damage our economy, destroy our energy sector, won't fix our broken health care system, will continue to push the trans narrative and medical assistance in dying, and will push for more censorship. In addition to all of that, Carney will utterly fail to oppose Donald Trump on tariffs. Trump's tariffs have nothing to do with fentanyl and terrorists, and everything to do with protecting the U.S. dollar, an effort which Carney was attempting to undermine by day two after being appointed as Prime Minister. But now he's won the election, and with 169 seats, just three short of a majority, the Liberals will have a majority for all intents and purposes, as Carney will do the same thing that Trudeau did, and buy off the NDP, who lost 17 seats in this election and their party status, but still have seven seats, enough to tip the balance. As a globalist banker, Carney's ultimate objective will be CBDCs and digital IDs, and he even has a plan for that. But will he have enough time? Rob Anders is one of the longest serving MPs in Canadian history, having first been elected in 1997 when he ran for the Reform Party, until he left politics in 2015. (1:46 - 2:28) Mr. Anders has also been very active in campaigning with the Conservatives in this and past elections. Rob joins me in the studio today to tell us where Canada is headed under Carney, and why he believes that within two years, Mark Carney will be gone, kicked out by his own party in a non-confidence vote. The question is, how much damage will he do before he leaves? Rob, thanks so much for coming in. (2:28 - 8:08) Thank you for having me. Well, you're the man to answer the questions. You served 18 years as an MP in our government from 1997 to 2015. You understand the workings of our government better than pretty much anybody I know. And last night's election, I'm sure there's a lot of people who are very dismayed. The polls told us this was going to happen, and yet I know there was a lot of Conservatives who were holding on to hope that the polls were wrong. Well, they weren't. So here we have 168 seats for the Liberals, four seats shy of majority. But of course, as you and I were discussing just before the interview, with seven NDP seats and having lost their party status, influencing those NDP seats is not going to be difficult. So for all effects and purposes, we have another Liberal majority. The question then, Rob, is what are they going to do with it? What is Carney going to do with that? He's now got the power to go and pass all these bills he wants to pass. Yeah, there's a lot to be worried about there for sure. Central Bank Digital Currency, he's kind of the high priest of globalism. The stuff that they were trying to do for the Emergencies Act, they're now doing through a private member's bill, their gold seat in Toronto, home equity tax. There's a lot of bad stuff in there. I think as well, we're not going to be surprised because he only paused the carbon tax. Yes. And he's publicly said before that he thought the carbon tax was too low to affect change in the hearts of Canadians and their activities. So I think we're going to see a reinstitution of that. Yeah, it's bad news. I will say though, that based on the internal polling that I knew about, I thought we were going to see an actual liberal majority. I knew the NDP vote was collapsing. We have friends who were privy to that information. And with 385,000 calls, they knew that the NDP was dropping from 15% down to four. Four out of five NDP were deciding to back the Carney Liberals rather than the NDP. Jagmeet Singh lost his own seat and clear evidence that he didn't make the right decisions for that party. Had he pulled the plug and forced an election last year, Trudeau would have gone down, third party status, NDP would have been official opposition, Pierre Poilievre would have been prime minister. That's what it would look like. So yeah, I mean, the fact that Pierre got 41%, liberals got 42%, normally those are majority government territories for either party. But because of the NDP collapse and the liberals, the NDP lost 11 points of which the liberals picked up 10. So last night when I was watching and the liberals were stalling around the 150s, kind of later in the evening, I thought, what's going on here? I thought they would march easily up into the 170s, but the NDP collapse was monumental. So before we get into details about what Carney is going to do to our country now that he's got the power to do it, let's talk about some of the odd things that did happen. Obviously, the thing that's going through many people's minds is Pierre Poilievre losing his seat. And he said he'll stay on as party leader, but there's an issue with that. He can be party leader without being an MP, but he can't sit in the house of commons. So that's kind of crippling for the leader of the opposition when you can't sit in the house of commons and debate. Yeah, it wasn't surprising to me that his seat was in jeopardy. And the reason for that is because one has to remember when he first won the seat, he was a young 20 something year old challenger candidate. It was a riding he was not expected to win. He was up against the liberal minister of national defense, David Pratt. It has a lot of Ottawa bureaucrats who live in it. So the fact he took the riding in the first place narrowly by a few hundred votes was huge and that he kept it over that time by hard work and door knocking whatnot was also exceptional. So when the liberal wave comes along, like what happened with Carney and the replacement of Trudeau, it didn't surprise me. And of course there was jiggery pokery, putting 90 names on the ballot to dilute the conservative support and what have you. So that doesn't surprise me. I don't think we're, I wish him well. I want him to do well. It'll be a tough time for him. There'll be some knives out. There's people in the Ford camp that would, you know, Ford's had a third majority government in Ontario. It's next to impossible to get a fourth majority government in Ontario. So there are people there who would like to see Ford step into the federal arena. And I've heard some stuff about out West here, some potential premier, premiers that might be recruited to run in the West, et cetera. So we'll see. But I wish Pierre well. Now we were discussing just a few minutes ago, the collapse of the NDP, losing some two thirds of their seats, losing their party status. What happened there, Rob? Where did they go from suddenly, you know, had they had a fair bit of support and now they're just basically a non-entity. Well, Jagmeet really sold them out. He wanted his pension. He wanted to get his six years in. He didn't pull the plug when it was opportune for the party. And so as a result, he got punished. I mean, he lost his own seat last night. (8:09 - 9:50) I like, I know talking with NDPers and I, I've been in the trenches for a while. I know some card carrying committed and new Democrats, and they were very unhappy with him behind the scenes because he was not doing what was right for the party. He was doing what was right for him personally. So they knew they know that. And he was, he was a very untypical NDPer. I mean, he wears more expensive suits than I do. And I don't own a Rolex watch, right. Or drive a Maserati. Yeah. You know what I mean? So he's, he's not your typical NDPer like that. That that's a guy who was King of a very powerful ethnic group, which is the Punjabi Sikh community who came in with the numbers, took the NDP leadership. But he was not Ed Broadbent or, you know, anybody like that. He was not your working man's new Democrat. So that went over like a lead balloon. It was going to be very difficult. There was no way he could replicate what Jack Layton did in Quebec or what Tom Mulcair did in Quebec. That was not possible either. So I predicted they would get eight seats and that's about exactly where they came out and that the party status, they they'll get that back. And here's why, because the liberals are desperate still, right? Like they still need them. Yes. And so what'll happen is the NDP will say, hey, you need us, you need us for the budget vote coming up next spring and the budgetary estimates. Why don't you rejig the qualification for party status and drop it down to seven? Right. Down from 12. Yeah. Down from 12 down to seven. And then that way we get budgets and yeah, that's, that's, I'm pretty sure that's, that's going to happen. Yeah. (9:50 - 16:59) Okay. So finally we've got the block, which also lost a large number of seats, which really surprised me. Yeah. And especially since they lost them to liberals. Yeah. When, and we're going to get into this later on in this conversation, we've got Alberta already talking about seceding from the country. Uh, we've had, you know, obviously for a long time, Quebec tried that, it went quiet for a while, but in recent months there's been more rumblings in Quebec about separating. It seems very odd that people would ditch the block and vote liberal. Yeah. That's, that's a hard one to understand. Like I still last yesterday before the election, before the official results came in, uh, before the evening, I was, my optimistic was the block getting 33. My pessimistic was the block getting 25. So they actually fell below my pessimistic level two. Yeah. Um, and I, I was, I was watching that evening. I saw like writings like, uh, uh, which, you know, the, the heart of nationalist Quebec is North of Quebec city. So it's like, uh, Lac Saint Jean, um, Manicouagan, uh, you know, et cetera, those areas that are rubber vowel. And so when I saw that the block was having trouble in some of those areas that I would have thought, what the hell, like the block should be taking this relatively easily. Um, I knew there was going to be trouble there. Um, and I, I, I don't, I can't explain the liberal strength there because Carney's not a Quebecer. His French sucks. Um, he's, he's not anything like what the Quebecers would believe. He's, he's certainly not a Trudeau, right. Et cetera. So, uh, the fact that he was able to graft as well onto Quebec is shocking. Actually, you know, my viewers, you know, my audience, and there's a question that's going through their heads, Rob. And the question is forget the polls. We had Justin Trudeau, who was a globalist puppet. Now we've got Mark Carney, who is a globalist who will destroy this country. And we all know it. Most of the people watching my show know this. And a lot of us have been fighting this war for the last five years for rights and freedoms ever since the COVID narrative. And so what's going through the minds of a lot of the viewers is how could the majority of Canada be so stupid as not to understand what this man has planned for us? Well, only 3% of people in Western democracies actually hold political party memberships and actually follow this stuff on a, on an ongoing kind of continual basis. The average person thinks about politics one minute a week. And during an election period, it jumps to two minutes a week. It's the true stat. Okay. And, and their memory is about three weeks, right? That that's, that's how this really works. So, uh, once Trudeau was gone and people finally, the stink stuck to him and people were realizing he's bad news, but once they substituted him out, put this other guy in, uh, you and I would look down the rabbit hole and realize with Carney, for example, that he's going to try and pick up terrible European debt on, on Canadian bonds. Yes. So our debt right now is 1.6 trillion. Uh, Carney is going to issue, uh, you know, American denominated debt to Europe, which the Americans were trying to shut down and the British banks and, uh, Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain alone are $6 trillion of terrible debt, which, and they will happily take Canadian bonds. Uh, if you go just even with half of the EU debt, that's 10 trillion. If you go with all the EU debt, it's 20 trillion. Um, it's terrible. It's going to affect the U S in terms of their M2 money supply and their ability to try to bring down inflation pressures and everything else in the U S. So the U S administration is not going to be happy with that. And if there's a run on banks, because Portugal, Portugal, Italy, Greece, or Spain default, it's now going to affect Canadian taxpayers will be the ones holding the bag. Uh, and if there's a run on European banks or Canadian banks, I don't know how the U S doesn't have a run on banks. So it's, there's a lot to, to kind of come out from this. There's a lot of things that will unravel. And I'm glad you brought all that up. And for my viewers who saw my interview with Brett Boland on the real reason for the tariffs, right. They'll understand what we're talking about right now. And for those of you who haven't, I'd suggest you go watch the interview because it's a lot to unpack. Just trust us on this. Donald Trump's tariffs have nothing to do with fentanyl and terrorists and everything to do with protecting the U S dollar. So that makes a mystery to something else that it was what, I don't know, but three, four weeks ago when Donald Trump was saying, well, I hope Carney wins. He'll be, he'll be easier to deal with. I wonder if I want it. And yet within 48 hours of being named prime minister, he's talking about this $300 billion bond deal to essentially create a loony dollar undermining Donald Trump's efforts to protect the U S dollar. And I'm certain that Trump understands this. He can't possibly be that fiscally stupid that he doesn't understand. That's what current is doing. So why in the world would Trump have made those statements? I, um, I, I think that there's a bit of a seesaw, uh, for the Americans, for the administration. One, the one hand, uh, there's Monroe doctrine and manifest destiny. I mean, they would love a land bridge to Alaska that Nixon determined out with the quiet revolution of Quebec in the sixties. However, uh, the short-term thing is that you say, oh, well, maybe, maybe the United States gains Alberta and Saskatchewan. However, uh, Carney, uh, trying to grow closer to China and to Europe with a central bank digital currency or taking on trillions of terrible European debt, uh, destabilizes North America, Canada, Europe, and potentially the United States. Um, so I, I, I, I think Carney overall is actually really bad news for the U S because, uh, I, they can't possibly want a Canada that's more enmeshed with China or the debt ridden countries in Europe. Uh, and that's, you know, all of a sudden the North American debt jumps from, uh, $36 trillion to what? $56 trillion. Like there's nothing good that comes to that. No. So, um, I, and I, I, I, I can't believe for a second, the Americans would be so naive as to think that if there was a run on banks in Canada or Europe, that there wouldn't be a run on banks in the United States. Uh, and then some of our Canadian banks hold substantial American mortgages. You know, the only reason our banks didn't get affected by the AIG Freddie Mac stuff that happened in 2007, 2008 was because our government quietly, uh, bought, uh, that bad debt off of some of those banks and, and used, uh, our, uh, Canada mortgage and housing corporation used, uh, our bank of Canada, uh, et cetera, and even some U S funds, you know, to do that. (16:59 - 18:27) So I, uh, anyhow, it's not, it's not pretty. No. So let's talk about the future under Mark Kearney and what is likely to happen. And of course you're, I'm asking you to prognosticate. I, you don't have a crystal ball anymore than the next person does, but with your experience in politics and your understanding of Carney and the parties and what they're likely to do, you can probably give a better prediction than most. So let's start with the economy because Carney already said outright, he plans to continue deficit spending. And it's, it's, and this is coming off of a government that doubled our debt, you know, nine years wrapped up more debt than all prime ministers before him put together. Yeah. And Carney says, I'm going to keep doing it. And yet he gets elected. Yeah. So what's going to happen to our economy in the next four years? Well, I, you know, he punished Britain for voting for Brexit to leave the EU. Uh, and I think he's going to now punish Canada. I mean, they did a countdown to get rid of him because of how punishing he was, uh, as governor of the bank of England. And, uh, I think we're going to face a similar scenario here in Canada. I mean, yes, he's just won an election. He's on a bit of a honeymoon, but, uh, I think, uh, very quickly, people are going to realize that this guy is a central banker who holds offshore funds, who cares more about his bottom line than yours or the country's for that matter. Um, he's going to rack up trillions more in debt. (18:27 - 18:59) He's going to make Trudeau look small by comparison in terms of the debt scenario. Um, and, and, and, and ultimately want to usher in central bank digital currency, not just for Canada, but everywhere. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Yes. Okay. So the next big thing is, and here's where, here's where we're getting to the carbon tax. And as you and I have discussed, as I discussed with other guests, in fact, Franco Terrazano in here very recently talking about, uh, the, you know, axing the carbon tax. But of course he didn't really, he just cut the consumer carbon tax. (18:59 - 19:48) He's going to jack up the tax on corporations. But as Franco and I discussed, now that he's back in office, and as you made reference to earlier, it's, it's not the taken off the law books. It was just suspended. There's nothing stopping carbon from bringing back that consumer carbon tax. It was a politically very astute move. I strongly doubt it was his idea. I don't think he's got the political acumen to understand that he had to cut the consumer carbon tax or the liberals had no chance. Um, so yeah, let's, let's talk about that carbon tax and what he's going to do with it. Well, he stated before that he thought the carbon tax was too low, that it needed to be higher to change public behavior. Uh, I think he'll stick to that. That's who he is. That's what he actually believes. And, um, so I, I expect it'll go back up. It'll, it'll probably go back higher than it was before. Uh, Alberta is going to suffer. (19:48 - 20:32) Alberta's got some real hard decisions to make because Danielle Smith has been reticent and kind of, uh, slow on the baby steps even, which is our own pension, our own EI, our own police force, uh, our own local tax collection. This stuff is only going to ramp that up. And, and I think people are going to be saying, you know, what up, you know, it should have been done already. It should have been done years ago. Why hasn't this happened? And there's going to be a lot of pressure to go further and farther yet. I mean, Ireland, for example, uh, negotiated its way, you know, out of, uh, uh, its own, more of its sovereignty and recognizing, uh, you know, their own head of state type of thing. (20:33 - 20:48) Uh, you know, back in the thirties, et cetera. I, I, I think, uh, there's going to be pressure in Alberta to go along those lines. So Trudeau wanted to kill all EV, uh, or gas powered vehicle sales in Canada by 2035, replacing electric vehicles. (20:49 - 21:03) Something that patently wasn't going to happen because we've seen electrical vehicle sales dropping off in recent years as people realize they're unreliable, they're inefficient, they don't actually help the environment. They're more expensive. But Carney is an eco-fascist. (21:04 - 21:46) Do you think he's going to continue to push for that? Well, that's, that's why he loves central bank digital currency. I mean, all you have to do is look at China and, um, you know, if they say, Hey, well, you've got a hundred thousand dollars in the account. We want you to use that to buy an electric vehicle. And if you don't, that money is going to disappear in six months. So, you know, do what you want. Um, that's where I think this guy wants to take us because like, he can look straight down the camera lens and talk about spending $150 trillion on the green agenda. That's a hundred times the Canadian debt. It's four and a half times the U S national debt. He's not talking about his money. (21:46 - 23:21) He's talking about your money. Yeah. You know, and, and, and the only way he can do that is by manipulating people through forcing them, compelling them with central bank digital currency to say, you're going to do this and you're going to do that. And if not, your money's going to disappear, you know, et cetera. That's, that's the plan. And of course we know that's what he wants to do is to bring in central bank digital currency. He's very much, um, one of the globalists who wants these CBDCs, digital ID, social credit scores to control us all. So if it happens here in Canada, and we know he's going to push for it. So let's not say if the, if is whether or not he gets away with it or whether they get away with tying it to a digital IRD, right? There's no question. He's going to try it. What's your timeline and what do you think the steps are that we have to be watching for? Well, I can hope that this government lasts two years. Some people say one, I don't think that's practical reason being, uh, there'll be a budget vote in the spring next year in 2026. I don't think the NDP is going to be financially ready to fight an election at that point. Uh, I'm not sure the block's going to be ready. I'm pretty sure the green party is not going to be ready. So these other players that it's contingent upon will say, we need more time to fill our war chests. So even if the computer parties itching to go to the polls next year, uh, I don't think the other parties are going to pull the trigger. So I think realistically, you're probably looking at the spring budget 2027. So he's got two years, Carney's got two years to damage the economy with his wrecking ball. Um, and, uh, I expect he's going to come in fast and furious with that stuff. As long as he gets his agreement from the NDP. (23:22 - 24:54) I think if he gives them party status, loaders are down from 12 to seven, they're going to be compliant. They've got to go through their leadership race. They're not going to, they'll be distracted with that for several months. Probably, uh, they'll, they probably won't have a leader until September, right? There's no way they're going to have one. If the house of commons returns for, say, for example, late May, early June to elect the speaker and to establish the committee structures, uh, it'll be just three weeks or something like that. And then they'll go to break. Uh, they, they may try to force through some legislation. It might be tough though. Cause the committees and everything else aren't established. They might have to wait till the fall and in the fall, the NDP will have a leader. We can hope that the NDP elects a populist, uh, who doesn't want to kiss the liberal ring and play like Jagmeet did, uh, kind of, we'll see. Right. So then, I mean, it makes sense what you're saying. It's unlikely that anything significant is going to happen until this fall, but, and me, I know you've had your own discussions with Brett Oland about this, and you're very aware of the CBDC agenda. What do you think would be their first step in that direction? Well, originally they had the bank at collapsing on June 30th of this year. Yes. I think that time they moved. It got moved up to 2026. Yes. So I think that timeline has been fuddled for them. Um, hope, hopefully knock on some wood here. (24:54 - 26:08) Uh, and, uh, but I, I think it's very plausible for June 30th of next year because they'll be in, in the saddle firmly at that point. Uh, they'll, they'll have the committee structure set up. They'll have the speaker chosen. Um, they, the reason they chose June 30th in the bank cash was because the house of commons breaks in mid June because Ottawa gets sweltery and hot and sweaty and uncomfortable to wear a wool suit in. And everybody wants to be back in their writings for Canada today in July 1st. So that's the perfect time, uh, where you hamstrung the banks and for, you know, July, August, September, uh, there's no parliamentary or, you know, there's, there's no house of commons or Senate oversight. So they get away with a lot during that period and executive orders and all that type of stuff for orders and counsel, as we call them. So, um, I think, uh, I think next year is very plausible for that. Okay. And for our viewers who don't know what Rob was just talking about, the Canadian Banking Act is the only banking act in the world, which has in it a sunset clause. It's always been there. Most of the time it used to say five years from the date of the, um, ratification of the act. (26:09 - 35:28) And one banker I spoke to said that he felt the only reason it was there was to make sure that they would regularly revise the act, because if they didn't, five years would pass and then all the banks would have to close down, which is what the sunset clause says that all banks, domestic and foreign would have to shut down operations. There have been times prior to Trudeau when that, um, sunset clause had an actual date on it, but it wasn't that common. Since Trudeau, I believe only once did it not have a date. So the date that Rob was just referring to was up until recently, the Banking Act sunset clause said that all banks in Canada would have to shut down operations as of June 30th of this year. Now it wasn't too long ago, it was updated to 2026. And so this is what Rob is talking about, is that all the liberals have to do is don't change that clause. Come June 30th of next year, all banks in Canada suddenly have to cease all operations. Right. Right. So this is what we have to be watching out for. We've had other statements from Carney that show us that he's really just, uh, in some senses, a carbon copy of Trudeau because he's talked about supporting the trans agenda and not surprising, his own daughter is trans. And this has been disastrous for our youth in this country. The real statistics, there was a study came out just last week. I know that everybody's been told by the leftists who are behind all of this crap, that children who are not allowed to transition have a 16 times higher suicide rate. In actual fact, the real statistics are the other way around. And your study came out just last week. Kids who transition are 19 times more likely to kill themselves than those who do not. And yet he's going to keep pushing this woke leftist garbage on us as well. How much do you think that's going to play a role? Do you think you'll keep that fairly quiet or is he going to push it the same way Trudeau did? Oh, there's no doubt that they'll be pushing that. I mean, the coalition for the government is, is, is still all the progressive, you know, whatever. The strength for the liberals is in the cities. It's not rural, right? You've got Montreal and Toronto, Vancouver, the massive bases of liberal support. So, uh, I think you'll continue to see that stuff. It's sad, obviously. Um, I mean, you know, just in this past election, I saw, you know, transgendered individuals heckling people at town halls, et cetera. They're not a happy bunch. No. Uh, so I, that, that, that, that ax will continue to grind. Um, and, and I feel, I feel sorry for the kids, uh, that'll be manipulated and, uh, and permanently disfigured as a result of that. Um, there's, there's no, there's no turning the clock back on that stuff when they do it. Right. So I, uh, I, I really feel for all the children who will be manipulated in that scenario. Now, Trudeau, um, also infamously took Canada from having one of the best healthcare systems in the world to having one of the worst. Uh, as of the most recent statistics I looked at of the G30 nations, we have the second most expensive healthcare system per capita, and we rank somewhere around averaging 28th for level of service. Carney, uh, being a globalist, obviously wants to continue to destroy the healthcare system. He doesn't want people to have access to good healthcare because they have their deep population agenda. They want as many people to die as possible. How do you think he's going to do that one day? I mean, because sure, he got elected on, I can fight Donald Trump on the tariffs. We're going to discuss that in a minute because I don't think he can't. Um, and the fact that he was savvy enough to drop the consumer carbon tax, that's basically what did it. But healthcare, where if you pull Canadians, uh, next to cost of living, that's pretty much the top of their list. Our healthcare system is a shambles. He's certainly not going to fix it. So how long does it take before that starts to come home to roost with the Canadian public seeing, okay, we elected this guy for change and nothing's changing. Right. Uh, well, I mean, uh, euthanasia or, uh, you know, assistance in dying is, you know, through the roof. I mean, it's shocking. I mean, it's, we are the made capital of the world. That's not per capita. Yeah. That's wrong numbers with countries have far larger populations that we do. Yeah. No, no, it's, it's shocking actually, uh, how those numbers have taken off. So yeah, there's definitely a depopulation agenda. That's, you know, uh, there's no doubt about that. And, uh, I, well, it's just a question. I mean, all the bad elements are still there and all the stuff that started to stick to Trudeau and make him very unpopular are still there. Uh, how long will that take before it adheres to Carney? Well, we're going to find out if we judge by his, uh, performance in the UK, I mean, they, they literally were doing a countdown for three years to get rid of him, right? Like he was disliked profoundly. Uh, so, and now that he's not just the governor bank of Canada or the Bank of England, which is more kind of, you know, removed, but the prime minister in front and center, I, I think, uh, it's going to So I, I, I think, uh, certainly by two years, but if we get to the, uh, minority government collapsing in an election in two years, he will be very unpopular. I think at that stage, the question is whether or not he gets really unpopular within a year, maybe, you know? Right. Yeah. Okay. And we're going to discuss that in a bit. There's one more thing I want to talk about first. He ran basically on a platform of, oh, I can deal with Trump on his tariffs. It was revealed last week that he lied about his phone call with Trump. Um, and, and have you, I'm sure you've actually met him. Have you met him? You've been in the same room with the man. Which one? Mark Carney. I, I might've, but I, I can't, I can't say that. As a politician though, I'm going to ask you for your sort of read on him because I mean, I'm not a politician. I'm just a journalist, but I watch Mark Carney and I'm thinking I'm usually a pretty good judge of character. I mean, it's obvious the man has no character. He lies like a rug. But the thing that gets me is he says, well, I can, I can stand up to Donald Trump, but I look at Mark Carney and I see the playground gleeb. I mean, sure he knows how to wear the suit and he's got, he's got the distinguished look now that he's older, but he doesn't seem to have very much in the line of social skills. Yeah. Well, I hear you. And I don't think he's got much of a backbone. You know, if Donald Trump barks at him, I think the guy's going to back down. So let's, you know, first of all, I want your own read of Carney and his ability to follow through on this promise to stand up to Trump. And if he can't, how long before that comes home to roost? Because one of the things we've discussed and that you know, I know from our conversation with Brett Oland is because of the real reason for the tariffs, Donald Trump's not going to back down. He can't. He absolutely can't. So we've got this empty promise that, oh, I can fight Donald Trump on the tariffs. Well, no, you can't. Yeah. There's a great kind of synopsis on this, which is, is that what, what Trump really wants us to do is to, uh, you know, not have a trade deficit where a ton of American dollars, billions, hundreds of billions of dollars are leaking out of the United States to fund Carney's, you know, kind of, uh, manipulation with regard to, uh, uh, bonds and, and, and to fix our crime problem. Uh, but instead of doing that, we've got politicians that are talking about reciprocal tariffs, which, you know, the, the, the Trump tariffs are bad enough for Canada, us imposing tariffs yet again, retaliatory tariffs are even worse. So, um, yeah, I think his honeymoon will be short. Uh, he is Carney is, uh, slicker than Trudeau. Um, he's not as pretty, uh, he's not as tall, right. But he, uh, he is, he's better at choosing his words than, than Trudeau was. So, uh, he's got a bit of a Teflon there, but I think that'll wear through very quickly. And I predict, like I said, by a year from now, by budget next year, uh, he's going to be very unpopular, but, uh, you're going to have those small parties that the liberals are contingent upon who are not going to be ready to pull the plug and not have the finances to go to the polls. One of the things that many of us, of course, concerned about is censorship. I have Trudeau tried to push through a whole bunch of censorship laws, which for the most part did not work. If there's anything that he got pushback on from the public in general, not just from conservatives, but I think some, there was some liberals that weren't too thrilled with those, those, uh, censorship laws either. But Carney has also openly stated, yep, we want more internet censorship. So do you think he's going to get any farther with that than Trudeau did? Well, he's going to want to, and, and, and that's his nature as well. Right. So, uh, he was the one who was actually calling for emergency measures and crackdowns on the truckers as a economic advisor or whatever, Trudeau. Oh yeah. He got, yeah. He, we called them, uh, seditionists. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Which is basically the same thing as calling traitors. Yeah, exactly. So I, um, I have no doubt that those agendas will carry forward. (35:28 - 37:51) And as the mounting criticism comes, as will happen as happened to him when he was governor of the bank of England and his policies will, will wear very, uh, unfavorably with the Canadian public. He will want that stuff. And, and he's not, you know, politicians generally have a thicker skin because it's the nature of the beast. It's what we do. Uh, but if you're a banker, you're not used to that. Yeah. I don't think he does. Yeah. He's, he didn't weather the, uh, criticisms in the UK. Well, and it's going to be harder for him as an actual prime minister than the governor of a bank. So I think his skin is going to be very thin and he's going to want desire that stuff very quickly, which allow me to conjecture something here, I think could push him to make some mistakes with that, uh, sure. Coming on far too hard. Yeah. Of, you know, it becomes very obvious to Canadians, even to liberals that all he's trying to do here is silence dissent. Right. And once again, he doesn't get the support for it because Trudeau basically didn't either. I mean, most of it, if it did get passed, it got passed with its teeth pulled. Um, I'm still here. They haven't shut me down yet. Uh, and I'm not expecting it to happen. I don't, that's one thing area where I think Canadians will push back as they're just not going to put up with Well, there's going to be, uh, a fulcrum and inflection point on this whole thing is going to be the backbench liberals. And so the backbench NDP, and I hope that, uh, various groups across this country, uh, put pressure on those people. Like the liberals are more vulnerable now than they were before. What do I mean by that? Well, they have more backbench people who kind of just got in and those ones who just got in, they're the ones who are worried about keeping their seats, about getting pensions, about whether or not they got six years in, et cetera. And so those are the ones you can put pressure on with their constituents and lobby groups and, you know, third party groups, et cetera. So that they back down and they say, well, hold on, you know, national caucus here. What are you doing? You know, we don't like this. The population's very upset, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So those guys are, are touchable. And, uh, if he doesn't have them or if they're skittish, then it's hard for him to ramrod his agenda. (37:52 - 38:45) Yes. Yeah. So now we have to come to something that's, that's quite a serious topic. Um, recent poll from just this month, Angus Reid poll here in Alberta said that if Carney got elected, 30% of Albertans would vote to secede, to form their own country. Yeah. Do you think it's actually possible? Could this election be the straw that breaks the camel's back that finally splits this country up? Yeah. I think Preston Manning was not wrong when he said that he thought Carney might be the last leader of a, of a unified Canada. I think that's very plausible. Um, I mean, I think the number of people who want to join the United States is in the twenties, but the number of people who want Alberta to kind of do what's own thing, uh, is, is high thirties. (38:45 - 39:01) Uh, I think after this election and especially with these terrible policies we've been talking about, the stink will stick relatively quickly to Carney. And I think those numbers are going to easily jump into the forties and maybe fifties. So, um, there's going to be pressure on Danielle. (39:02 - 40:35) To, to do all the baby steps, the pensions, the EI, the local tax collection, the local police, and to take it further, uh, which is, you know, with regard to environmental regulations and pipelines, uh, election of judges, you know, et cetera, et cetera. All that stuff is going to be mounting up quite significantly. Uh, I think we may see an Irish scenario where, uh, you know, they had a very violent thing go on in 1916 with the uprising, but in the 1930s, uh, it became very clear that Ireland wanted its own way, had its own parliament, et cetera, had its own head of state, uh, rather than recognizing the sovereign in Great Britain, et cetera. So I think that Canada could, Alberta as, as the first could kind of go that way and say, we want less and less Ottawa in our lives. And if it happens, you think there'll be a domino effect, Saskatchewan, BC? Uh, first, uh, Saskatchewan for sure. I mean, Saskatchewan is actually more conservative than Alberta is right now. If you look at the seats, uh, and as well, it's more rural. Alberta has two large population centers in the sense of Calgary and Edmonton, which kind of dominate in some ways it's electoral, you know, uh, stuff. But Saskatchewan is still one of the few provinces that has a majority of its legislators chosen in the rural areas. Right. And I have one more question about that before we move on to something else. Um, if it was to happen, well, two thirds of Canadian exports to the US are Alberta oil. (40:36 - 43:02) What does that do to the economy of Canada? Not Alberta, because at this point in time, we're talking about Alberta as its own country. The rest of Canada, they just lost two thirds of their exports. And of course, a lot of that oil money goes East, has been for years through the, the equalization payments. What's the impact economically? Well, I think what we're going to see is Alberta will become more independent. Uh, I think it, it'll, Danielle, in my opinion, does not want to lead, uh, the parade for Alberta independence and joining the United States. I but I think what will happen is that we will become more independent. We, we will be cutting strings with Ottawa and becoming more and more sovereign like Ireland did relative to the UK. I think that's, that's in the cards, a hundred percent. I think it'd be hard to fight that given the forces at play. Um, if Alberta actually does separate full on separate where we're not sending a member of parliament to Ottawa, et cetera, et cetera, the nation fundamentally changes because we've been paying the bills. Uh, you know, the West has sent a trillion dollars, uh, out there in the last 90 years, Alberta alone, 335 billion, uh, of that. And that's in a relatively short timeframe, nevermind 90 years. So, uh, I, I, and, and the conservative party would never be the same again. Because if you look at, I mean, Pierre Poilievre was from Calgary, Stephen Harper, Calgary, Preston Manning, Calgary slash Edmonton, St. Albert, Stockwell Day, Red Deer, right. Uh, if, if, if Alberta is out, that means the conservative party is never the same again. Um, et cetera. It's like, it's, it's a financial political geopolitical thing. It's a, it's a huge deal. So, uh, I, I think what will probably happen is just a greater and greater degree of sovereignty for Alberta. The reason I asked that question, Rob, is because, I mean, Carney's a banker, and he thinks about finance. Could the threat of Alberta leaving be used to dampen his policies to prevent him from going too far? Well... Because if he knows, if he does. (43:02 - 44:05) Yeah. It might very well happen that he'd be the prime minister that presides over Canada breaking up. Absolutely. Uh, yeah. And, and let's face it like the, the Americans did a study on the quiet revolution in Quebec in the 1960s under Nixon and determined that, you know, land bridge to Alaska is what they wanted. Uh, so Alberta gets up a lot closer to a land bridge with Alaska. There's not that much left when you go from that tip of Alberta, you know, to, to Alaska. So, uh, they, they would take us in a heartbeat. I mean, you know, if, if, if Alberta was to propose to the United States and say, we wanted to be a freely associated state, like Micronesia is, Alberta would pay no federal income tax. Imagine that. And we pay no import duties. Imagine that. Uh, you know, we would automatically become one of the lowest tax jurisdiction in North America. Uh, we would be cheaper to do business in than Wyoming or Alaska, which gets the rebates. And we would be competitive with even Uruguay, Paraguay. (44:05 - 45:11) I think that has 7% tax, you know, we'd be competitive. We'd be at 10%. So, um, I, uh, yeah, I, I think it's a very real possibility and the Americans will spend money. I mean, I don't know about you, but when I look on my YouTube, my laptop and whatever, I mean, there's a lot of ads. There's now a Republican Party of Alberta. I mean, uh, that stuff doesn't just come out of nowhere and there's money being spent on it. Um, and the, and when, when people have to remember this, not only is the United States 10 times the size of Canada population wise, but they also spend 10 times per capita, the amount of politics. So it's 100 times the beast. And I know I participated in American politics on gubernatorial campaigns, Senate campaigns, et cetera, presidential campaigns. And, uh, it's way more sophisticated than Canadian politics is. And, and they will spend and are spending money to lay the groundwork, uh, you know, for manifest destiny and for the mineral doctrine. So, uh, that's not a, it's not an idle threat that Mr. Carney is facing. (45:12 - 47:43) All right. Last question, Rob. And I've been holding onto this one to the end. You've, you've alluded to it a couple of times that you clearly believe that Carney's administration is not going to last more than two years. And I'm assuming that what you're referring to is at some point in time, there's going to be a non-confidence vote because it's going to be so unpopular when Canadians realize that they've just elected another Trudeau, who's just going to keep doing the same stuff. So how do you see that playing out? I mean, we've already kind of got a deadline there of June 30th of next year when he could kill the banks. And so we have to shut him down before then. He's going to do a lot of the work himself. I agree with you. I mean, he's, it's not going to be very long after, sure. He might be fine for the next few months until parliament sits it in in the fall. And now he starts passing these bills and those legislations are not going to be popular with people. They're going to cost people a lot of money, continue to damage the economy, not going to fix healthcare. He basically, he's not going to do anything that's going to help Canada. So it won't be very long before the public will wake up and realize who they elected. But do you think it will happen in time? Because if it doesn't start until this fall, we only have until June 30th of next year before he could shut down the banks and force CBDCs on us. Is there enough time? And if there is, how does that play out? I mean, what do you sort of looking into your crystal ball see happening probably next spring, a year from now, his own party has to have a non-confidence vote. Yeah. A lot of this is going to come down to what happens with the back bench. He's got a more susceptible back bench now than the liberals had previously. So there, you know, and there's a number of new faces there who want to get in six years and get their pensions and all that type of stuff. Right. So he's going to face resistance from them. And the more that their constituents get upset, the more that those people are going to go, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. So he, I I'm, I'm confident because he's the high priest of globalism. He's going to want to push this agenda fairly quickly. But, uh, the resistance that he gets out of back bench, indie peers or back bench liberals and susceptible, vulnerable swing seats, uh, will, will stymie him and we'll see where that pressure builds. So it's incumbent upon third party groups in the public in those writings, in those white writings, the liberals only won by the skin of their teeth to put pressure on those MPs so that they are the brakes, you know, uh, with regard to his runaway train. Um, and, and we'll see where that all goes. Uh, you know, it's anybody's guess. (47:43 - 48:37) That's a very good point though, because, you know, I was, I was talking about Alberta possibly succeeding as being the dampener on his aggressive policies, but you've just made a very good point. His own back benchers are going to be yanking on the reins saying, Hey, wait a minute, you go too far. And I have no chance of reelection in four years or even two years if, if there's an unconfident vote. So. Back, back, back, back benchers want to be there for a long time. Sometimes a really ideological leader wants to be there for a good time. Uh, but that's not what most of the caucus wants. They want to be there for a long time. And, uh, so they're going to go, not so much good times. Let's focus on the long times here. Uh, so we'll, that's a dynamic and we're going to see how that plays out. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Any final thoughts? I mean, 18 years experience in politics, you've, you've been working your butt off here in Alberta campaigning for the conservatives. (48:38 - 49:06) Um, you thought there was going to be a liberal majority. And as we discussed at the very beginning of this interview for all intensive purposes, there is, because he will just buy out the NDP seven seats and there they've got their majority. Yeah. Open ended question, Rob. You know, you're talking to our audience conservatives who understand what's going on in the world and understand how bad Carney is going to be for our country. What are your thoughts for them? Some of the stuff that I would watch for is the electoral boundaries commission here in Alberta. (49:06 - 50:06) What are they going to do? Uh, are they going to create Reuben seats? Are they going to chip away at the NDP holds on the edges of the cities in Calgary and Edmonton and allow for some of those rural votes to dilute the NDP vote that could pick them up six seats. Um, if they rejig some of the boundaries and give a little more territory to the rural, et cetera, blah, blah, blah. Uh, or just forced nomination contests is, is that going to give Danielle another six? I mean, she's, she's been scrubbing the smell of Jason Kenney offer for a while now. Um, and so will they gain 12 seats? Uh, who's going to win those nominations? Will they be populous take back Alberta, Alberta prosperity project types? Uh, because that'll change the nature of the caucus and stiffen Danielle's spine or certainly remove the excuse that she can't do some of these things because she's got a caucus that's skittish. Uh, that will be interesting to see how that plays out over the next while. All right. Thank you so much, Rob. Thank you.