Glenn Meder 00:13 Hello everyone, this is Glenn Meder, I'm joined with my son Eric Meder and today we are very happy to interview Will Dove aka Iron Will, who runs the ironwiredaily.comwebsite. Now, like me, Will considers himself to be just an ordinary guy, doing his best to fight tyranny in order to protect the health, wellbeing and freedom of his fellow Canadians. He believes in minimalistic government, maximum personal rights, and responsibilities. And he believes that most of what we hear from our government and mainstream media is either misleading or an outright lie, such as COVID, fearmongering, manmade global warming, overpopulation, and you know, all of this other junk that they tried to feed us, such as there was only one shooter with Trump. So anyway, hear here, I agree with all of that stuff. Welcome Will, how are you? Will Dove 01:17 Very well, thank you. It's a pleasure to be here, gentlemen. Glenn Meder 01:20 Yes, yes. So, we've interviewed a number of Canadian freedom fighters. We've interviewed Pastor Art Pawlowski a number of times. We've interviewed the Honorable Brian Peckford many times. I love interviewing Canadian freedom fighters, because you're on the front lines, really, I mean, Canadian Liberty has been under a massive attack from Trudeau and the World Economic stooges. So, what I'd like to do is to start by just asking you to lay out some of the ways that Canadian liberty is under attack and has been under attack. And maybe you can go through some of those, some of the ways that the tyrants have been trying to subjugate Canada. Will Dove 02:09 Well, I mean, there's the obvious stuff that the total violations of our rights, especially the things that happened surrounding the freedom convoy, but they're trying to legitimize it with a whole string of Bills and Acts, and we can get into those. But really, it comes down to its censorship, it's propaganda, and it's completely violations of our rights. Glenn Meder 02:34 I know Brian Peckford. So, if people don't know who Brian Peckford is, he's the last living signer of the Canadian Charter, which is the equivalent of the American Bill of Rights or as the closest thing that Canada has to it. But I mean, he's been talking about that. I mean, during COVID, you guys were basically locked down to the point where you couldn't travel, right? You couldn't go on a train; you can’t go on public transport. Will Dove 03:04 And that brings us to another abuse, Glenn. And you mentioned Brian Peckford. Brian and I have actually become friends. I interviewed him several times. My wife and I know him and his wife. And he launched a lawsuit against the government over the violations of our Charter Rights to travel freely within our own country, because of course, it was a long time there. When the unvaxxed couldn't get on an airplane. Will Dove 03:28 I went to the freedom convoy along with a gentleman who was acting as my producer at the time. And we had to drive. He had to drive all the way from Victoria, all the way from the West Coast, picked me up in Calgary, it took us three days to get there due to weather, but we couldn't get on an airplane. And Brian, along with the help of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, the JCCF, took the government to court over the travel bans, violation of our constitutional rights, and here's the wild thing. And this has been done more than once now in Canadian courts, they threw it out declaring the case moot, because the travel bans were no longer in place. And I've made the point a number of times, and to lawyers who have agreed with me, that that is tantamount to declaring an assault case moot, because the assault is no longer taking place. Our courts are not there to determine whether or not a crime is being committed. But whether or not a crime was committed. Glenn Meder 04:29 Yeah, and if you don't hold people accountable, then they're going to just keep doing it again. I mean, if that without justification, they can just do whatever they want to next time, then make it temporary to pull it back. And then they're not going to get in trouble again. We've got to hold these guys accountable. Ridiculous. Eric Meder 04:50 Yeah. I think they've been tiptoeing for a long time on that border of, you know, getting a stir out of people. They know how to push that line as close as possible without making people go up in arms about stuff. And yeah, it really changed where we are now. Will Dove 05:04 And Trudeau stacking the deck. Right now, I'm trying to remember the exact figure I might be off by a couple of points on this, but I'm pretty close - 78% of Supreme Court judges in Canada are liberals appointed by Trudeau. We only have 22% conservative judges. And we have a huge shortage of judges, which is causing a backlog of cases because Trudeau won't appoint people who aren't on his side. Now that doesn’t mean we haven't seen some justice, we have, you know, those 22% of conservative judges, some of them and even a couple of the liberal ones have ruled in favor of rights and freedoms. But, you know, for example, the fact that the Trudeau’s use of the emergency Act was ruled illegal. And here in Alberta, my province, the entire lockdowns were ruled illegal. Glenn Meder 06:04 So, let me ask you this from your perspective, Canadians, are they outraged by this? Are they just going along with their regular lives? I mean, of course, there's some people that are outraged, some people are awake. But what about the average Canadian? Are they awake? Are they outrage, anything? What is the feeling? Will Dove 06:27 I'm going to throw some numbers on that, Glenn. And I got to make it clear, this, I'm pulling these out of my head based upon my observances, everything I've read, which, of course, is extensive. Let's start with a statistic, we know what's false is kind of an example. The Canadian government tells us that less than 15% of people in this country are vaccinated against COVID. The actual number, and I can't even tell you how they inflated that if you want to know, the actual number is closer to 25%. And that's encouraging. Will Dove 06:59 That means one out of four people in this country said no, not taking it. And of course, now we have a lot more people saying that they won't take another one because they've been injured from the first ones. So, to put numbers on Canadians and where they stand and all of this, I would say, we get about 1 out of every 10 at this point in time who are fully awake, understand that they are being lied to. You get another maybe 15% to 20%, who they know there's something wrong, they may not quite be ready to say, well, our government is working against us, but they know something is wrong. On the other side, you got maybe 10%, who are about like I should put a number on that was 7% because we know the number of people, the percentage of Canadians who were still fully in support of Trudeau’s Liberal Party is 7%, who are still drinking the Kool Aid. And once again, you're probably got another 15 to 20% on that side who are mostly going along with it. And then you get all the undecideds in the middle. And that's about where we stand. Will Dove 08:02 Now, of course that changes depending on where you are. I'm in Alberta, which is one of the most conservative provinces in the country. We are fortunate to be one of two provinces at this point in time who has a conservative Premier, who's actually standing up for our rights. But that's only 2 provinces in 10. On the other side of the spectrum, we've got provinces like Ontario and British Columbia that have gone completely off the rails and are heading towards full on communist dictatorships. Glenn Meder 08:29 They're the California's of Canada, right? Will Dove 08:33 Oh, very much. So yeah, British Columbia, especially. Some of the things that are going on there is just insane. Bill 36, which was passed into law last year, completely reformed the medical colleges. Centralizing and giving them authority, not just oversight doctors and nurses, but even chiropractors, midwives, and if you don't do what they say, and one of the things they say is you must be vaccinated, you lose your license, not just your job, your license, you can't practice anymore. Glenn Meder 09:12 So, let's talk about the freedom truckers. I mean, I mean, it was really a glorious day or glorious time for freedom fighters all around the world, especially America. We loved it. We love seeing the freedom truckers. I know that they had their funds frozen, but can you tell us more about how were they penalized? Will Dove 09:40 Yeah, absolutely. So, the government, what they did was they got the cooperation of the banks and of the fundraising websites to provide them with the names, the identities, of people who had contributed and then went and froze quite a number of their accounts. That's illegal by the way, in this country, they can't do that. The only way they can do that legally, is if they can prove that you were in the process of committing a crime with those funds. And they seized the funds to this day, the freedom convoy organizers don't have most of those funds. Glenn Meder 10:20 Their personal funds or the funds for the organization? Will Dove 10:23 The funds that were raised through the fundraising websites, or crowdfunding, and there was over $10 million raised. And I think, and don't quote me on this, I think they got their hands on about a million of it, which barely covered, you know, gas costs and such for the truckers while they were there. Glenn Meder 10:43 And it was, but it wasn't just them. There were individual accounts frozen, too, right? But those aren't necessarily… Will Dove 10:51 Yes, that’s what I’m talking about is that they got the information from the crowdfunding sites, from the banks. Once again, this is illegal, because you got to prove that they're committing a crime. And they use that information to freeze the bank accounts of over 200 Canadians. For no other reason that they donated to the freedom convoy. And I did an interview at the tail end of the freedom convoy, with a lady who was actually the original organizer of it. And she was in hiding at the time, I did the interview with her in person where she was, I couldn't tell people where she was because the police were looking for her. Glenn Meder 11:34 So, what about some other things that are happening in Canada? What about immigration? Will Dove 11:41 Oh, my. Yeah, we have a way bigger problem than you guys do in the US. Even Trudeau himself admitted to this in a recent speech in Vancouver, where he said that three/four years ago 2% of Canadian workers were immigrant workers. Now it's over 7%. He's letting in almost half a million people a year. And that doesn't count the 800,000 student visas every year. A lot of students come here; they never leave. You guys have illegal immigrants, we do too. In fact, there's something like 2,530 roughly known terrorists in this country, they don't know where they are. Glenn Meder 12:33 And those terrorists will do some event and then the government will, you know, use as an excuse to crack down further on people, all that stuff. So let me tell you about the story. Will Dove 12:44 But they don't, Glenn. They don't. There's been riots in the streets between conflicting groups from other countries, violent riots. And the police essentially do nothing. Glenn Meder 12:57 Yeah, we've seen that a lot in Europe. Will Dove 12:59 I'm going to give you guys a good story here to really outline just how bad it is in this country. Not long ago, I had the privilege of interviewing a woman named Yasmine Mohammed and she's the author of the book “Unveiled - How Western Liberals Empowers Radical Islam”. Now, Yasmine, grew up in Canada. But when she was young, her mother became an Islamic extremist, married an Islamist extremist nutjob, who, by the way, beat his children including Yasmine, I mean, it's horrible, really, what he would do. She was seven years old at that time. If she hadn't memorized her Koran passages properly, he would tie her feet to the end of the bed, and whip the soles of her feet with a plastic cane, until they were bloody. She had to get up to go to the bathroom in the middle of night, she couldn't put weight on her soul, she had to walk on the sides of her feet. Will Dove 13:59 Now she gets older, and she's forced to marry an Islamic extremist. And keep in mind, folks, this is all happening in Canada. This all happen in Vancouver. An Islamic extremist to such an extent that he was eventually tracked down by the American secret intelligence community, I can’t remember if the CIA or the FBI and imprisoned because he was working with Osama bin Laden. Now in that interview, she had a child by this man, a daughter, and then she got pregnant again by him, but she lost that child. Now I've read the book. So, I was able to pull a little more out of her in the interview, which was a very emotional interview for her. I have to say for me as well. It's very upsetting to hear this kind of things happening in your own country. She lost the second child, and when I asked her how she lost it, she said, well, I fell down the stairs. And I just stopped and looked at her says, no, no, that's not what happened. And she broke down. Will Dove 15:02 And then she confessed what's in the book. She lost a child because her husband beat her so badly, she miscarried. And that's happening right here in Canada. Now, here's the point of this. I don't care what your reasons are. Domestic violence is illegal. You can't beat on your wife in this country. You can't beat on your children. Politicians in this country have remained absolutely silent on this for fear that they will be accused of being anti-Islamic. It's sickening. Eric Meder 15:43 I’ve seen in Europe too, there's plenty of riots. I mean, just this weekend, there's riots in England, where the police officers fled, because they were being bombarded with rocks, the streets were on fire, and just like what you're saying, the fear of being labeled as racist. Will Dove 15:59 And there was one, Eric, there was one about a month ago, where a guy from the Middle East showed up at this anti Palestine rally carrying a sign saying Hamas is criminals or something like that, the English wasn't very good, obviously, it wasn't his first language. But anyway, you're making clear that he had a problem with Hamas. And they start harassing this guy. Who do you think the police arrested? Him! They didn't do anything to show for the sign. Glenn Meder 16:32 So why do you think they're doing this? Why? Because this is obviously a plan thing. I mean, all across all the Western nations, whether it's Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, all of them are doing very aggressive immigration, and it's for purpose. So, what is that purpose? Will Dove 16:53 The purpose is to destroy our national identities. When people don't have an identity, now, propaganda, and whatever else is free to give them a new identity, to tell them who they're going to be. So that's the purpose of it. Everywhere around the world, they're pushing this rapid immigration, this moving around of people to destroy our national identity. Will Dove 17:27 When I was young, if you said I'm Canadian, well, everybody knew that stood for. They might have thought what it means you drink beer and watch hockey, that’s part of it. But it also meant that you were a decent human being. That you treated your neighbors and your friends well. That you talked politely to strangers. That you upheld the law. That you worked hard at your job, and you didn't expect any handouts. Not anymore. Not in this country. Now, it's so controlled by the woke, that essentially, we live in a country that is ruled by the minority for the minority. And of course, that can't work. As is obvious to anybody with half of a brain. Eric Meder 18:17 So, why do you think Canada has been put to the front lines? Is it something, is it the people that are ultra-woke? Is it a fault in the government system? Will Dove 18:28 It's a lot of factors, Eric? First of all, Canada has always been a socialist country, which is painful for a libertarian such as myself, but it's the truth. Now, some aspects of that socialism are not bad things. Despite the fact that I am an unapologetic libertarian as Glenn was saying, early on, I believe in absolute minimal government, and maximum personal rights and responsibilities. A lot of people miss that part. In a bit we'll talk about the difference between liberal or conservative. So, you start with a socialist country to begin with. And then you get a prime minister, and a deputy prime minister and a bunch of other people in the liberal Cabinet who are owned by the WEF. And Klaus Schwab himself said this, outright. He said, “They have penetrated the cabinet and we own over half of Trudeau’s cabinet.” He said that right on stage, he said that. Will Dove 19:26 So now you've got a country that is essentially being controlled by a foreign power candidate is an occupied country where Canadians aren't running this country. The globalists are running this country. And they've got this long history of socialism to build on where people are willing to accept this idea, this ridiculous notion that the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many which is where we get back to that concept of ruled by minority for minority. And I was just saying, this is a quote, I've been throwing out a lot lately. A liberal is someone who believes that society is responsible for the individual. A conservative is someone who believes the individual is responsible for society. And so, conservatives work hard to contribute to that society, and liberals leech off of it, because they think it owes them something. Eric Meder 20:27 I think that's a great point. Yeah, I often talk about how one of the core tenants of freedom itself is being self-reliant in yourself and, you know, self-reliant thought, not being a group thinker. So, I think self-reliance in all regards, is very important. If you have your own food supply, you can't be manipulated by food control. If you're self-reliant with your privacy, you can have a profile built on you, there's a lot of areas, but it comes down to what you're saying, there's no handouts, you have to be reliable for yourself, and then you're less easy to control. Will Dove 21:00 Yeah, and this is a lesson I talked to my kids when they were 7 years old. The idea that I taught them, first of all, what our rights, our privileges, we don't need to get into that. But I taught them that the society that grants you those rights and privileges, you owe it something in return. And what you owe it is to maintain that society, to improve that society. And what we've got going on in our schools now, and has been building for decades, is they’re nothing but woke programming centers, to teach children. One, don't think, just accept the narrative. Two, don't say anything that could possibly offend anyone, which basically comes down to don't say anything. And three, you're owed something. You don't have to contribute anything; you're just owed something. Which as I've already said, you can't run a society that way. Now, if no one's and this is the thing that gets me about the woke and the left, and they don't seem to understand this, that if everybody is leeching, well, who's contributing? Glenn Meder 22:09 You know, one of the things when we were talking to Brian Peckford, we had this very interesting discussion, because with COVID, we saw the Canada fell a lot more than America did, at least the red states, the red states, there was definitely a dramatic difference between the blue states and the red states. The red states, basically kept our liberties whereas the blue states kind of fell also. And so, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, they all kind of really fell deep into this tyranny. And one of the things I was asking Brian Peckford was, we were discussing why this happens, what was the difference between America at least the red states and those other countries. Glenn Meder 22:58 And the conclusion we came to, and I want to see if you agree with us, but in America, at least the red states, we believe that our rights come from God, and not from the state, and that the state doesn't have the authority to take away those rights. And this is embedded into our DNA, was in the Declaration of Independence, but Brian seems to think that he doesn't think that Canadians have that belief, at least most Canadians. Do you think that's true? Do you think that's on point? Will Dove 23:32 I think that Brian is absolutely right. And I'm going to expand upon that something that I've said many times to my viewers. And I think this carries a lot more authority coming from me, because I'll tell you, honestly, I'm an atheist. But I am what I call a respectful atheist. I can't disprove God. So, if you have faith, I respect your faith. And so, knowing that I'm an atheist, once you listen carefully to this statement, which I've made many times, the reason why our country is in the trouble it's in, is we've lost our Judeo-Christian values. Will Dove 24:09 A lot of people do not have a strong moral compass of their own. And it is faith that gives them that moral compass, that tells them what right and wrong is. And if you take that away, well, now anything is okay, isn't it? There's no such thing as right and wrong anymore. And that's another problem with the woke movement is they don't want to be accountable for anything. And therefore, they have no moral compass. We need to get that back. People need to start going back to church. They need to recover that faith because it's I think the foundation of our society, those values. Glenn Meder 24:55 Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I think it's the values, I mean, the values are extremely important. And I think that's really why the immigration is happening. I think that they're bringing in, they're flooding us with immigrants, because freedom and individual liberty, I think is a uniquely Western idea. I don't think you find that ideal in Asia, Africa. Nowhere else has this individual liberty. And as this value of individual liberty being, like the cornerstone of what we are, that's what they're trying to destroy, in my opinion. Let's see, I was going somewhere with that. Will Dove 25:37 You're absolutely right, Glenn. That’s exactly what they're trying to destroy. And you're also right about the fact that the western world is largely, we are the democratic countries, we are the ones who believe in individual rights. With there's a few exceptions in the Eastern world in Asia, South Korea, for example, but not very many. And where did we get those values from? I happen to think, and I'm not trying to stroke your egos here, guys. I'm being honest about this. I happen to think the American Constitution is the greatest freedom document ever written. It's unfortunate that many Americans have forgotten what it means. But the document itself, what a wonderful document. Will Dove 26:23 And, for example, when the amendment, the Second Amendment gave you the right to bear arms, well, what was that for? People have forgotten, some people seem to think it so that they can take an automatic rifle and blow people away because they're pissed at society. No, the Second Amendment was there to protect you from tyrannical government. Glenn Meder 26:44 Yep. Exactly. Will Dove 26:46 Why? Because the people who wrote the Constitution, the people who wrote that Second Amendment came from European countries, where their guns had been taken away. And the next thing that was taken away was their rights. And they understood that freedom isn't free. You have to be prepared to fight for it. And you can't do that if you're unarmed. Glenn Meder 27:08 Absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, I just want to stay on this Canadian, New Zealand, Australia, because there, I kind of group them together, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, they have all been kind of in, I don't want to say lockstep, but they've definitely been on the front lines, I think they have basically fallen to the tyranny. But there's something different about Canada. I don't hear many freedom fighters coming out of New Zealand. There's, you know, about Billy TK, and there's, I don't know of any other ones. But Australia, I mean, I don't hear of any, there was one guy that we interviewed. I can't remember his name, but he was from Australia, but I don't feel freedom fighter movement from these countries. But Canada, you got Jordan Peterson, you got Pastor Art, you've got Brian Peckford, you’ve got yourself, and you've got a number of really strong freedom fighters. So, what is it that is different about Kennedy, do you think? Will Dove 28:17 I have to think about that for a moment, do I? Because you're absolutely right. Yeah, you can you can lump Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and I throw Austria in there as well. Things there were just as bad if not worse than they were in Canada. Glenn Meder 28:34 Are you guys does or do the red states rub off on you or I don't know. I'm just trying to approximate. Will Dove 28:43 You know, I don’t think that's it. I think it gets back once again, to people who see Canada from the outside, they just see this one country. But keep in mind, Canada by land area is the second largest country on Earth. And Russia, shrinking and producing will be the largest. So, you have this country of only 40 million people and a huge land area. There’re many people in Western Canada who have been pushing for separatism for years. For two reasons. One, you can't administrate a country that large from a central location. It just isn't possible. But two, because the values of Western Canadians are almost without exception, more conservative than those of the central provinces and the East. Will Dove 29:37 We don't see eye to eye with them and they're far more socialist than we are. You know, our socialism here, if we had our way about it, would probably extend to. Yes, we do believe there shouldn't be such a thing as universal health care, old age pensions, you know, you don't let people starve and you don't let people go without medical care if they can afford it, we consider that barbaric. But beyond that, the government's not no business controlling us, controlling anything. That's up to the people. Will Dove 30:12 And so, I think that that conservative ideology that's prevalent in the West, that's the reason for it. And I mean, New Zealand's a small country. Austria is a small country, right? We're right smack dab in the middle of Europe, surrounded by all of that wokeness. Australia is a huge country, but you know, all spread out around the coasts. And I think that they're a little more culturally unified than we are here in Canada. There is here in this vast gulf of political ideologies, between the liberals and the conservatives. Glenn Meder 30:46 So, it's kind of like red states, blue states, in Canada. Will Dove 30:50 Very much so, yes. So, what you've got is, is even though I mean, BC, except British Columbia, they've always been leftist, although, this is interesting, guys. I happen to know that man, who is the head of the Conservative Party of British Columbia, used to be a liberal, crossed the floor, joined the Conservative Party, was very shortly after they're nominated as their leader. And the polls say that if there was an election in BC right now, the Conservative Party would form the official opposition. And if you know anything about British Columbia, and as you said, Glenn, it's Canada's California. Will Dove 31:30 The idea that the conservative party might even possibly take power there. Wow! That's never happened before. But excepting BC you've got Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, these three prairie provinces that are very much like the American Midwest. We’re all conservatives here. Well, not all of us. I mean, if you look at an election map, you'll see that the large cities vote Liberal, we have something called the New Democratic Party, and they're even farther left than the Liberals are. And here in Alberta, if you look at the map of the two largest cities, Calgary where I live, and Edmonton, the map largely orange, which is the color for the NDP. The rest of the province, if it's rural, if it's small town, man, it's blue. And I got to explain for your American viewers, we flip the colors around here. You guys, red is Republican and blue is Democrat. Here in Canada, it's the other way around. Blue is conservative, red is liberal. So, we were all conservatives here. But that's almost very uniquely Western Canada. If you look at Ontario, Quebec, eastern Canada, historically, they've almost always voted liberal. And even when they vote conservative, they're what we call Red Tories, which means they're actually liberals masquerading as conservatives. Glenn Meder 32:58 Yeah. You know, I want to tell you a story. A real quick story. I was in Budapest, probably three weeks ago, in Hungary, and I was there with Eric. And we were at some place. We met this guy, he overheard us talking, he came up and talk to us. And he was from Canada. And he talked to us, and he said, I think it was his grandfather fled Hungary in 1956. He fled the communists, all of that stuff. And he was, you know, they were very happy to get out of there and to get to the free Canada. But he now has reversed that. He says, I see a city flooded, and a country flooded with immigrants. It is not the same country. And I thought the best thing to do for my family was to flee Canada, and go back to Hungary. So, he has reversed that whole thing. And I mean, it's pretty shocking how things change. And I hope we can turn this around. Will Dove 34:09 I'm going to address that with some statistics, Glenn, and a personal story. In terms of statistics, yes, we have this huge immigration thing going on. But 22% of those immigrants leave again, within a few years to 10 to 15 years, whatever, they leave. There was a Mexican man who was quoted in the media, who said, I came to Canada because I thought it was a prosperous country, it’s not! Everybody's in debt. I'm going back to Mexico. Now that's interesting, because and this isn't something that I have even really told my Canadian viewers, most of them don't even know this. But from the fall of 2022 until early somewhere 2023, my family and I were living in Mexico. And the reason was, I came back from the freedom convoy, convinced that our government was going to start arresting and imprisoning people like me to shut us up. Will Dove 35:13 We left in early September of 2022. And three weeks after we left, they did exactly that to an independent journalist named Jeremy MacKenzie, calls himself the Raging Dissident. And I know Jeremy, I've interviewed him a couple of times. He says all the same things I do, he's a little less politic about it. But he says the same things I do. Will Dove 35:37 He spent 10 weeks in prison. He's been de-banked and can't get a mortgage renewal. He didn't do anything illegal. In fact, Jeremy Mackenzie is the definition of an outstanding citizen, 14 years military service, zero criminal record. They arrested and imprisoned him for 10 weeks, because he said something they didn't like. I myself know for a fact, I've been investigated by the RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or national police force. I know this because I have a friend on the inside. Now on paper, I'm a boy scout, so there was nothing for them to find. But that's how far they're going with this. I mean, here I am, just a freedom leader and independent journalist. I'm being investigated by our national police force. Why? Well, clearly, they were looking, hopefully to find some dirt on me that they can use to arrest me. Eric Meder 36:33 It's awful. Yeah. I mean, it takes a lot of courage to keep going, though. I really respect them. Will Dove 36:42 You know, my wife and daughter, our daughter was 21 at that time. She'd been kicked out of school because she wouldn't take the injections despite the fact that she was studying online. And so, we talked about the things that were happening and the direction things are going and the whole family agreed, yeah, we got to move. And so, we did for 10 months, we were in Mexico. And I kept doing my show from there, took my studio with me, so people didn't know I was in Mexico. And I didn't say anything, because I knew that some of my viewers would think that I'd run away. It was just the opposite. I went to Mexico so I can be assured of continuing the fight. I went somewhere where they couldn't touch me. Will Dove 37:27 Now in the early and in May of last year, we came back and we came back just prior to the elections here in Alberta. Our former Premier equivalent of a governor for you guys was completely corrupt, totally on board with the whole agenda, even though he claimed to be a conservative. And his party actually kicked him out and replaced him with her. The lady who is now our Premier, Danielle Smith, who is a conservative, and is working to defend our rights. And the only other premier in Canada doing that is Scott Moe of Saskatchewan. And here's an interesting case. He was actually in office during the lockdowns, enacted them, went along with the whole thing, and then I believe it was late 2021, he did a press conference. He went on television, he says, we're not doing these anymore because they don't work. Will Dove 38:24 And I think that Scott Moe was an example of a politician who was simply deceived. And when he finally figured out that he was being lied to, he started looking out for his province. He's now in a huge kerfuffle with the Liberal government. Liberals in this country have enacted something called a carbon tax. So, every time you burn anything, and you guys know the entire climate narrative is utter BS. But they're collecting hundreds of millions of dollars in these carbon taxes, probably billions. And January of this year, Scott Moe of Saskatchewan said, we're not paying it. Now, the government's going after him legally. And they've agreed to pay half pending the outcome of a court case upholding their right to say no, and they do have a right to say no. We have in Canada, in our Charter, that you referred to earlier, something called the notwithstanding clause. And what it comes down to in this case is under the Charter, the federal government does have the right to unilaterally pass laws that affect all Canadians. But if the province did not have a say in the writing of that law, they are not required to enforce it. And that's right there in the Charter. Will Dove 39:49 So, Scott Moe was well within his rights. He didn't sign this carbon tax law. Saskatchewan didn't sign it. So, he's well within his rights to say we're not paying it. Then I hope the courts uphold that I really do. If we're lucky, they will. And that'll set a precedent. And we'll see all the other provinces going, yeah, no, I don't think we're going to pay this anymore. Glenn Meder 40:12 It is definitely a, I mean, what you're saying is actually really good because, you know, there's a lot of people in America that freak out about all these different laws and all of that stuff. And I think what we've got to remember in America is, at least in America, and I assume this is true in Canada, but there are illegal laws, we have a constitution. And that constitution is the foundation of our law. And if there are laws that conflict with the Constitution, then those are illegal actions. Those are illegal laws. And we, the people need to stand up against them, the states need to stand up against them, we need to fight because they don't have any legal authority to do what they're doing, in most cases, and in most cases, they don't have that authority. So, I think we need to remember that and I like what you're saying there. Will Dove 41:07 Well, and it's true, there's a hierarchy. And I assume it's the same in the US of hierarchy of laws. At the top are the international laws that our country has agreed to. Things like Human Rights Commission, okay. Underneath that, there's our constitutional rights, our Charter, and we do actually have a Bill of Rights as well. But the Charter is the thing that's used more often. And then underneath that, you have the Criminal Code. And so, you can always refer to that higher law. And, of course, but we also have in Canada, it's called a living tree legal system. And a lot of what is considered law in this country is based upon precedent that comes into court judgments. And that's the dangerous position we're in right now, because we have all these liberal judges who are ruling in favor of our government, violating our Constitution. Will Dove 42:00 And when I was a kid, 50 years ago, that's the kind of thing that would have gotten the government hauled into the street, you know, thrown in prison for the rest of their lives. They’re violating our rights like that; we're not going to allow that. But now people are just passively sitting back letting it happen. You're talking about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and I've spoken at length to Brian Peckford about this. And as you say, Glenn, yes, he is the sole surviving author of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, he served as the third Premier of the province of Newfoundland, very, very conservative man, very intelligent, well-educated man. Will Dove 42:44 And there's a clause in the Charter, that refers to security of the person. And there's a lot of debate in the courts when the lockdown started. As to whether or not security of the person meant that you couldn't take away a person's right to make a living. And the government lawyers hemmed and hawed said, well, we don't really know what that term means. It was very revealing that in the Peckford case, they wouldn't let Brian take the stand. Because I've talked to Brian about this. And he said, yes, security of the person, among other things, absolutely means you cannot take away someone's right to make a living. So, there was another violation of our constitutional rights. Eric Meder 43:26 So where do you think Canada - what's the next step for Canada to take, the people to take on an individual level, on a government level, what do you think they should do? And where do you think it's headed? Will Dove 43:42 There's good news and bad news, Eric. The good news is, more and more people are waking up. And we are pushing back. As I've made reference before, I'm not just an independent journalist, I founded Strong and Free Canada, which is now the largest freedom organization in the country. I founded another organization recently as well. But that's a little beside the point. And we're seeing more and more people who are starting to push back. And I founded Strong and Free Canada, on the concept that you have to start at grassroots. You have to empower the people with the knowledge and the tools that they need to defend their rights. And that's exactly what we do at Strong and Free Canada. We give people the knowledge and the tools to defend their own rights. So, we've got people pushing back and it's growing to the point where, and this is especially encouraging, we have a lot more true conservatives suddenly running for office. Will Dove 44:37 And I love this story. I'm good friends with a man here who served one of the longest serving Conservative MPs in our country, Rob Anders. He served for 16 years until they got rid of him because he was an intelligent, educated, moral politician, and the liberals hated that. So, they drummed up charges against him of tax evasion of which he has since been completely cleared. Absolutely not guilty. And when I first met Rob, back in 2020, I had a conversation with him. And it became clear to me very quickly how very intelligent and well educated he was. I'm a fairly well-read, well-educated person, my wife, I like to joke that there's two degrees in my house, unfortunately, my wife has both of them. She has a degree in history. Will Dove 45:33 And so, she and Rob was sitting there talking about history and philosophy and, you know, literature. And I'd be sitting there going, like, I feel like an idiot, to keep up with you guys. And so, when I realized how intelligent Rob was, because I myself, I mean, as I said, up until five, four years ago, if you'd ever said I was going to become a political activist, I said, you were nuts, I have zero interest in politics, I would honestly rather have been dragged over thumbtacks and dipped in iodine than to go into politics. And so, I looked at Rob and said, Rob, you're clearly very intelligent, very well educated. You can do anything. Why politics? And I wish that I had heard his answer when I was a young man. Because if I had, I might have gone into politics. Will Dove 46:24 Here it is, folks, and this is this is incredibly important in your country and in mine, this is what Rob said. If I'm not making the decisions, someone else is. And that's what's happened, especially in our country. Conservatives sat back and did nothing didn't run for office, and let the Liberals take over. Now we're starting to take it back. So that's the good news. The bad news, Eric is tyrants never just give up and go away. They have to be stopped. And as I made reference to earlier, Canada is right now an occupied country. We're not being run by Canadians. We're being run by a foreign power and that foreign power is manipulating things behind the scenes. So, we've got Justin Trudeau, who is a graduate of the WEF’s Young Global Leaders Program. And I can tell you an interesting story about that in a bit. But it is at this point in time, the most hated Prime Minister in our history. Will Dove 47:30 So, they're looking at replacing him. Now previously, it seemed likely his replacement would have been the Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, who is also a WEF Young Global Leader graduate. And that woman, she's now the Minister of Finance, and is introducing these absolutely ruinous budgets. The woman's only degree is in Slavonic studies, she has zero qualifications to be Minister of Finance and it shows. However, she's fallen out of favor with her globalist masters and she's being shuffled to the side. There's even rumors that Trudeau is going to take her out of her position. Will Dove 48:20 Unfortunately, the replacement for Trudeau will probably be a man named Mark Carney, former CEO of the Bank of England, CEO of the Bank of Canada, another young global leader. And Mark Carney, unlike Trudeau is smart. And that's very concerning. Because if they replace Trudeau with Carney, he might just be smart enough to swing voters back to the liberal side. Glenn Meder 48:51 So, are you optimistic? Will Dove 48:54 Yes, yes, I know I have never doubted for one minute that we are going to win this fight. And when I say we, I mean, your country, my country, people everywhere. The tyrants are going to lose. And I will tell you exactly why they're going to lose. Tyrants gain power through fear. Fear of loss, specifically five things, loss of health, loss of life, loss of income, loss of freedom, loss of social acceptance, and never underestimate that last one of how the avoidance that some people will go to avoid being ejected from the herd. However, to make those fears real, they actually have to take things from people. And once they take something from somebody, that person no longer fears losing it. You can't fear losing what you don't have. Will Dove 49:48 But it's never enough for these people. And so, they just keep taking, and they take more and more and more until there's nothing left to take and when a person, and even the most sheeple of them reaches a point where they have nothing left to lose, they stop being afraid, they get angry, and they fight back. And this is why tyrants throughout history always lose in the end. The only exception I can think of is China, which has been under one form of tyrannical rule or another for thousands of years. I think they're just so used to it; they can't imagine anything else. But you look at any “Western country”, even including some in Asia, like Russia, okay, they fall into tyrannical rule for a while, but it never lasts. Because the people won't stand for it. Because they eventually reach a point where they have nothing left to lose. In the end, they're going to defeat themselves. Glenn Meder 50:49 That's a good point. And I think that's what they're doing now. I think that is, that's what we're seeing with the COVID and everything is, they don't realize, or they didn't realize how many people they would wake up by doing all this tyrannical stuff. And there has been a tremendous number of people waking up. And even to the point of this, this botched Trump assassination that just happened. There are so many people that are just totally awake and saying this was not just one guy, one 20-year-old guy doing this, this was an inside job from the government. And it's obvious and people are not, their eyes are open to this, you know. So, I think you're right on that. I think people are going to wake up and I think they are waking up through the government's tyranny, they're waking up. So yeah. Eric Meder 51:54 And I think, truth is like a key for people. People, even if someone's very lost on some subconscious level, truth seeks them just like they seek it. So, I think truth will just prevail because of its power that it has alone. Will Dove 52:10 And you're absolutely right, Eric. And this brings us to the subject of why is independent media important especially if you're in Canada. And I know you guys have much the same problem in the US, but especially here, where mainstream media is largely funded by our government. They're nothing but a mouthpiece for the government. And here's why independent media is now so important. People who have good information, make good decisions. People who have bad information, make bad decisions. So, if you're listening to legacy media, and you're getting a constant stream of lies, you've had bad information, and you are going to make bad decisions. However, if you listen to independent media, well, my job is to tell my viewers the truth. And I make it very clear, Iron Will Report does not accept government or corporate money in any form. I'm supported entirely by my viewer memberships. And that's my guarantee, I'm working for them, and only for them. Will Dove 53:18 So, the other thing I tell people, because it's kind of a new concept for a lot of people to pay for your news, especially in Canada where, you know, for up until very recently, news was free. You turned on the television, there was the news. And up until about 30, 40 years ago, it was fine. They were doing their job. They were actual reporters, telling people the truth as best as they could. And then they got taken over by the government and corporations, and started this agenda that was being dictated to them. And so now people if they want reliable news, they have to go to an independent media source such as myself. And I do charge a very modest monthly fee. And by the way, about a quarter of my viewers are Americans. And what I tell people is this, and it's very similar to what Rob Anders said about politics. If you're not paying for your news, somebody else is. And that somebody else has an agenda. Eric Meder 54:20 Good point. Glenn Meder 54:21 Well, we're at about the end of the time here. So, do you have any final words that you want to say to our audience? Will Dove 54:35 Yes. I started out not as a journalist, but as a freedom fighter. I was going to a lot of demonstrations, a lot of rallies addressing the crowd, and I always tried to give them something motivational. And I would often finish my speeches with this. Our governments have no power but what we give them and we do not give them power when we elect them, but when we choose to obey them. And so, if they are violating your rights, the answer is simple. refuse to comply. Glenn Meder 55:15 Great point. I think that's a fantastic point. Will, thank you very much for being on today. I really enjoyed the talk. Can you tell people how to follow you? How can they learn more about you? Will Dove 55:29 Absolutely. Anybody can go to ironwiredaily.com. And you can sign up for a 15-day full access free trial, no credit card required. I hate that when somebody wants me to sign up for a free trial and give them my credit card information. I know if I forget about it, and don't like it, I'm going to get charged. I don't do that to people. You can sign up for 15 days, full access, everything. And I release one counter narrative news report every week. In fact, this past Friday, I released an extensive report on the shooting of Trump, and everything that we know about it, sifting through all the crap coming from mainstream media and getting rid of that. Will Dove 56:12 And typically, I release two interviews every week with doctors, scientists, lawyers, authors, whistleblowers. And so, I'm working very hard to bring people the truth. And it's available for $995 a month Canadian. Skip the free trial if you want to keep going. Or you can save 20% at $99 a year. And a lot of the stuff that I cover isn't specific to Canada. In fact, I would say 80% of what I cover is not specific to Canada. Glenn Meder 56:48 Yeah, and I totally agree with you that independent journalists are the only people that you should trust nowadays. I mean, regular mainstream media is just off the rails. I mean, it's a CIA operation is really what it is. So anyway, thank you for being here, Will. I greatly appreciate it. And hopefully we'll have you on again, at some point soon. Will Dove 57:11 It'd be a pleasure. Glenn, Eric, thank you so much. Eric Meder 57:14 Thank you very much.