Will Dove  00:00 Our existing health care system is broken. Not just broken, but corrupted to the core. Dr. Mark Trozzi and Dr. William Makis have both been victims of this corruption. Last year, Dr. Trozzi’s license to practice was suspended only hours after coming out of an extended leave. In 2015, Trudeau’s government stole Dr. Makis groundbreaking cancer research. No reason given. His program was simply shut down. Today, the government is selling that same treatment to foreign dignitaries.   Will Dove  00:38 Bill C-47 placed Natural Health Products under the umbrella of Vanessa’s Law, the Protecting Canadians from Unsafe Drugs Act, and it is likely that by late this year or early next NHPs will begin to disappear from store shelves.   Will Dove  00:55 The Colleges of Physicians and the Nurses Colleges suspend the licenses of those who practice ethical medicine and who dare to oppose the narrative. The various provincial health services impose illegal mandates on the public, and in many provinces the governments continue to seek or pass legislation to give themselves greater power to dictate to the public.   Will Dove  01:17 And over all of this, the WHO continues their campaign to gain the authority to declare a pandemic at any time, for seemingly any reason, and then to use the power of corrupt cooperating governments to further violate the rights of the people and further damage their health.   Will Dove  01:36 So how do we fix it? Can the current system be fixed, or does it need to be scrapped and replaced. And since the health care system is authorized by the government, where do we find the power to replace it, if that must be done?   Will Dove  01:51 In this interview, Drs. Trozzi and Makis discuss realistic solutions, without shying away from the fact that there are no simple, easy solutions. But there are solutions. If only the people will take action, we can fix our health care system.   Will Dove  02:16 William, Mark, it's a real pleasure to have both of you in the studio today.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  02:20 Thanks for having us.   Dr. William Makis  02:21 Yeah, thanks for having us.   Will Dove  02:22 And once again, thank you so much for the work you're both doing with the Injection of Truth Conference. I'm hoping that goes really well. I know it starts tonight. So, I’m very excited about both of you being involved in that. Now, Mark, you and I were talking the other day about our quite frankly, broken healthcare system. Both of you are very experienced doctors, you as an emergency doctor, William, you as a researcher. And we're here today to discuss based upon your vast experience, how would you fix it? If you had the authority to change our healthcare system, how would we fix it? Mark, will you start?   Dr. Mark Trozzi  02:56 I think this will lead us into a few different areas. And one way we fix it, at least at the initial level, is what we're doing for instance, right now, I mean, I'm going into legal, I'm going into the court against the CPSO. One way is to restore a system that has become so corrupted, that it is really become the long arm of the pharmaceutical industry, against the people. And we can't, at any moment, you know, not look at the elephant in the room, which is, as of last March 70, people dead, 70 million people dead globally. From the injections alone.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  03:36 We had a travesty, the greatest medical atrocities in history by numbers and injuries and deaths has just happened. And this happened because of absolute corruption in the medical system. So, you have the WHO, as the conduit of control. You have complicit operators throughout the governments. We know that the World Economic Forum is embedded through our governments and elected seats. And then you have healthcare, medical regulation, and you have the Colleges of Physician and Surgeons across the country.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  04:04 And though there's been problems for a long time, what we've seen in the last few years, for instance, since April 30, 2021, when the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario published their, doctors don't see anything that contradicts public health, don't raise suspicions about the injections, don't write an exemption, don't prescribe, you know, untraditional treatment, I mean, though it's very well demonstrated the treatments that we have for COVID. So, at that point, not only did we have doctors sort of, you know, constantly the pharmaceutical industry trying to influence us, but at that point, you literally had the medical licensing body saying, you're going to go along with this, or we're going to strip your licenses.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  04:50 So that's a level of corruption. And so, I think one frontline is we're trying to fix that, because that corruption needs to be fixed and we have people who have committed, in my strong opinion, crimes against humanity, the colleges have coerced doctors as the nursing colleges, course nurses across this country to commit medical assault to each other, and to millions of Canadians. So, we're trying to fix that by bringing the court in a justice system, I think this is just one level of fixing it. At the same time, we have to acknowledge that currently, you don't have a trustworthy medical system. And we may or may not be able to fix and show to courts, we're going to find out if the courts have validity. You know, because if they say two plus two is five, that doesn't make two plus two is five, that makes them irrelevant.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  05:36 So, we're hoping that schooling, that we're going to the courts, you know, we're seeing signs in the US, we're seeing signs in other countries. The parliament in Costa Rica, or the judges in Costa Rica just ruled after the press conference we gave there a few months ago, that the medical College cannot limit a doctor’s speech. So that's a huge step. At the same time, I think we're already looking at - we see groups, like, is it YYC here in Calgary?   Will Dove  06:03 YYC.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  06:04 YYC here in Calgary region. There are groups in Ontario. The World Council for Health in Canada, we're looking at this as well, how we help advise, just how do we create a parallel and a better system where people can get ethical health care and proper treatment. So, I think that's one-tier of how we're trying to fix it. One is, either we fix it, or we recognize it's dead. And in the meanwhile, we start building something to replace it. So, I think that's one part. There are other parts too, but I'd love to hear what Dr. Makis will say.   Will Dove  06:38 Now, for our viewers who aren't familiar with my previous interviews with Dr. Trozzi and Dr. Makis, we're going to post the links to those beneath this interview. William, to this day, I have a hard time getting my head around this groundbreaking Cancer Research stolen from you by Trudeau’s government in 2015 with no reason given. Obviously, you're going to have a somewhat different perspective from Mark and you're not working in a hospital, you're doing this groundbreaking research. And once again, they just take it away from you. And of course, since the end, anybody who has talked about what's really going on with the shots and the cancers they're causing, and you've been tracking a lot of that get silenced. What are your thoughts?   Dr. William Makis  07:18 You know, I think I have a very similar view, actually to Mark in that the colleges are a massive problem. I actually think they're epicenter of the problem that we're having. I'll give you the mainstream view in terms of how mainstream media, mainstream politicians are approaching and try to fix healthcare because they realize that there's a problem. And healthcare has long wait times, you know, we've got 20 hourly ties in emergency rooms, people can't get CTs, MRIs, they can't get hip surgeries or knee surgeries. Now, cancer patients can't get cancer treatments, right? We have that big problem here in Alberta now, not enough oncologists and so on.   Dr. William Makis  07:57 So, the way the mainstream is trying to fix this problem is they're saying, well, let's bring thousands of doctors from places like the Philippines or the Middle East, let's bring thousands of nurses. And that's not a fix, because what that does is you're bringing people from the outside into a corrupt robbing system, where they're going to have to take the mRNA vaccines that the health authorities and the colleges tell them to take. They're going to be injured by those mRNA vaccines, they're going to have to be pushing those mRNA vaccines on all their patients. And so, we have this cycle of abuse that's happening within the healthcare system.   Dr. William Makis  08:37 We have thousands of healthcare workers who are now constantly sick, because their immune systems have been damaged by the injections, the mRNA injections. And now we have new mRNA injections that are being rolled out. We're going to have influenza mRNA injections; we're going to have RSV mRNA injections. This is not going to stop; this is only going to continue. So, the mainstream sees that bandwidth solution. They've ignored all the ethics violations, we've completely lost medical ethics here in Canada, completely.   Dr. William Makis  09:06 We have no informed consent. There's no Hippocratic Oath anymore. So, you're bringing in doctors from the outside into a broken system where they will basically become part of that broken system, they will be broken themselves, and will just continue to have shortages and this whole cycle of abuse will continue. That's not a fix. And by the way, you know the Conservatives, the federal conservatives are presenting this as a solution as well as the Liberals.   Dr. William Makis  09:33 And so, there's no really attempt there to fix the underlying problem. The underlying problem is that the colleges have destroyed the ethical practice of medicine in Canada. And one way we could fix that is, you know, people have to put pressure on the provincial governments to do something about the colleges. The colleges as they are right now because they're private corporation, effectively run by lawyers, I don't think you can fix that. I don't think you can put a couple of public people on the College Council and call that a fix.   Dr. William Makis  10:09 Because you know, it's an organizational structure that I don't think can be fixed. You have to dissolve the existing structure that can be done very easily through a provinces Health Professions Act like in Alberta, we've got a health professionals act that constitutes the colleges and allows them to manage the practice of medicine in the province, while the colleges are responsible to Albertans. They have duties and responsibilities, and they've completely abandoned their duties and responsibilities to the population. So, they have to be dissolved. And we need new medical boards reconstituted.   Dr. William Makis  10:49 Let's say one province does that, let's say the province of Alberta dissolves the existing corrupt College, reconstitutes a new medical board and says, look, this medical board will just ensure that doctors are qualified. And that's it, they will not interfere with the way doctors practice medicine, they will not tell doctors that they're not allowed to give informed consent and tell patients about risks of the COVID-19 injections for example, they will not interfere in the treatment of COVID patients, for example, they can't say you can't use ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine because Big Pharma said so, they will have no say in how doctors practice medicine, there'll be no interference in the doctor patient relationship. And doctors will not be persecuted, harassed and subjected to frivolous and capricious legal proceedings because they didn't go along with the COVID narrative or the public health narrative.   Dr. William Makis  11:48 So, if you reconstitute a new medical board in a province, give that protection to doctors, do the same for nurses, pharmacists, other healthcare professionals, and just open up the province. You open up the province and we would see a flood of honest health professionals who still have medical ethics, doctors who still abide by the Hippocratic Oath, they will come flooding into the province. It'll solve all our shortages, all our health care shortages. And we will literally bring back medical freedom to the province. And we could be an example for the rest of Canada. And really for North America.   Will Dove  12:28 Yes. Now both of you have made reference to the colleges as being pretty much the foundation of the problem, at least within the medical community, we could perhaps discuss the government later and their mandates. But let's focus on the colleges for now. And I do want to pursue both of your ideas on how we might build a new system in greater detail. You've given us some sort of an outline there, William, thank you.   Will Dove  12:47 But before we get into that, the colleges themselves, I'm very curious about - and as you said that these are mostly lawyers, administrators, they're not doctors. Who gave these people this authority? And where did this come from? Because it just seems like insanity to me. If you're going to set up a board to oversee doctors, seems to me they should be run by doctors. By and large, no, as far as I can see it.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  13:13 Well, I believe that the provincial health acts establish that the College is there to ensure the doctors are licensed. So, it's a situation where the government contracted out a government duty. And then the bodies that got that ran with it like a mafia. And it would be in use the authority given to them. You know, so for instance, I take in my case, and many of the doctors who have stood against the College, in front of the patients, to protect the patients, they don't even have the authority to do the things they've done. But they've just done it, you know, within their own their own little circle.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  13:57 And I think, you know, it's hard to know people's intention, right? So, when you look at people who, if you have to be a doctor, you have to be registered with the CPSL. So, Dr. Nancy as a divorce doctor. You have to be a doctor to be the Minister of Health like Dr. Tam was and others are now. So, these people hold this position based on a responsibility of medical science and medical ethics. And yet, you go back to 2020, before a single person was injected with this toxic genetic fraud. And you had the Emergency Use Authorization.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  14:34 I felt as a physician, as you know, physician emergency on the frontline, I had a responsibility - I mean, you're talking about a totally new product, it's being called a vaccine. But when you read the ingredients, it's not. If I had read, first of all, if I had not read what I read, I would consider me guilty of medical negligence to not know what I'm talking about, to not look at the sign. So, just watch CBC and believe that like that's the truth. That is, you know, if you're fooled as a citizen, that’s sad. But if you're an expert making calls for the government, for the health of the population, and you just watch CBC and you didn't read the Emergency Use Authorization, clearly, they didn't. Because they mocked Dr. Kilian and myself and others in Ontario, when we said, that's not a vaccine, that's a genetic experiment.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  15:17 You look at it's full of genetic material. And it's experimental. It's a genetic experiment. So, I think even if you take away the possibility of intention, you have medical negligence. So, if your medical negligence, the colleges have coerced the doctors and nurses, well, the doctors in this case, to violate - and this is the thing that is really shocked me since the beginning of this, right? I mean, my role in this was just a doctor being responsible in an unusual circumstance. So, it's always been, I just continue to be a responsible doctor.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  15:51 But even if you negate the issue of intention, you have medical negligence, because to either have not read the scientific literature, like the Emergency Use Authorization, which is sort of the ingredients that are in there, or way worse than what's there. But to not read that and really sifted through the science, you sift through Pfizer's documents, and you go, wait, this isn’t 95% effective, this is 1.1% effective if you accept all the fraud written into this thing. And when you really look at it, you go, this actually makes you more likely to get COVID. And boy, it can kill you by a lot of methods. It can make you sick by a lot of mechanisms. I mean, it was such a radical experiment.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  16:36 And so, I would say that the people holding offices, have committed an act, a criminal act of negligence, which has led to medical assault, causing death and bodily harm in massive numbers. So, I think that has to be addressed, right? So, I think that even at a superficial level, I really liked the idea of like, let's just dissolve them because they're dysfunctional, and restart. And some countries in Europe did this decades ago, they said the colleges are too corrupt, they're running with the power, let's make it the government job to manage the licenses of doctors without all this interference. Now, did that work out perfect? No, because Big Pharma and corruption are always trying to work their way in.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  17:20 But even in the very short term, we've got to get back to the idea that the criminal code applies in this country to everyone and negligent acts leading to death, coercion of the soul, because we violated international law, we violated federal law, violated provincial law, and believe it or not violated the very ethical rules of the College of Physicians and Surgeons. So that's been done by the leaders of the College, by the leaders of Health Canada, and by ministers of health. And they have to face the crimes that they've committed. And that's a very quick beginning of the cleansing. Just like the end of the Second World War, when you suddenly go, hey wait, Nazis are no longer in charge, they're in trouble here. That's a big change point. And we need to have that turning point as soon as possible. We don't need more crimes, we don't need more evidence, we don't need to examine more bodies and more bullet holes to know that a crime has been committed.   Will Dove  18:16 Now, it's fairly obvious that you gentlemen, you're in agreement that the colleges are so corrupt, we just need to scrap them and replace them. But before we get into that, the corruption goes deeper than that, though, because it wasn't the colleges that steal your research.   Dr. William Makis  18:30 That's correct.   Will Dove  18:31 How do we deal with that problem?   Dr. William Makis  18:33 One thing I just want to focus on again with the colleges and I brought this up in the beginning is that the government gave the responsibility of managing the medical field to the colleges, and said, look, you guys will self-regulate. So, this concept is called self-regulation, where a profession is given the privilege of self-regulation where members will regulate other members. And because they know doctors know best, who's competent, who's incompetent, how medicine should be practiced. And at that point, the government stepped back once they gave this responsibility away to the colleges, the government then step back and said, okay, we're not involved anymore. Don't talk to us. We're no longer involved in how medicine is administered.   Dr. William Makis  19:22 And, of course, human nature being what it is, you know, now that these people were given self-regulation, of course, the pharmaceutical interests come in and people get bribed, corruption seeps in and so on. And the government is God. It's like an absentee parent that has basically left and left the children to their own devices.   Dr. William Makis  19:41 And so, the self-regulation in Canada is a fraud. Self-regulation doesn't work. It's been corrupted, and the College is bad at all its responsibilities, and there's no government oversight. And this is what people don't understand, now, the colleges are private corporations that do whatever they want. They put lawyers in charge because of course, lawyers will have to navigate all the loopholes. In every Health Professions Act, they put the lawyers in charge. You've got doctors who are bureaucrats, who are of leaders of the College on paper. But really, they just say to whatever the lawyers put in front of them. And the government is gone, nowhere to be found.   Dr. William Makis  20:17 Now, the government has to take that power back. But that can be done for good or for evil. So, what we're seeing in British Columbia, for example, it was Bill-36, is the British Columbia government took the power back from the College and said, no, we're going to now take that power back. But they did it to further enhance authoritarianism in BC. So, they want more draconian measures against doctors and nurses. They want them to be forced injected with whatever injections they want. Now, it's mandated as a condition of their license.   Dr. William Makis  21:00 So that is taking power back, that is provincial governments taking power back, but for evil, to basically commit evil against its population. You know, I'm looking at here in Alberta is the government's taking power back from the College and using it for good - to bring back freedom, medical ethics, Hippocratic Oath, and so on. And again, it comes down to the provincial government, it's their responsibility. Healthcare is provincial government's responsibility. They've abdicated their responsibility by basically giving this power, this unlimited power to the colleges with no oversight. So, we have to bring the power back, and the people have to demand it, Albertans have to demand it from their government.   Dr. William Makis  21:41 I was actually surprised. You know, Mark, I thought that when the colleges were committing all these abuses and sending threatening memos to doctors that you cannot discuss risks of the vaccine, because you'll cause vaccine hesitancy, you cannot treat patients with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and so on. I thought the people would rise up, say, this is unacceptable, people are dying, children are now being injected with these toxic products with no informed consent, I thought they would occupy the offices of the colleges, until the government stepped in and started fixing the problem. And it never happened. But it has to come, the pressure has to come from the people.   Dr. William Makis  22:21 People have to put pressure on the provincial government to fix the colleges and I think because people don't understand how these colleges work. In fact, some people think that it's the government giving instructions to the colleges in what to do. And you know, in the case of the BC government, now, it has gone that way. But not in Alberta, you know, the government has been completely hands off, and basically hasn't done their job in managing the corruption and health care that has grown up over the years.   Will Dove  22:50 Right. And aside from obviously, the public mandates, but that's really kind of a separate issue. So, talking about these colleges, and as you're talking about, William, yes, it has to come from the people. The people have to demand on the government that we scrapped what we've got, replace it with something else. But as you said, that requires them to really understand the problem. And we've got all this censorship that we're fighting. I mean, all of us, all of us have been trying to get the message out there. And we're constantly right into that. I know both of you have probably been canceled on certain social media platforms, I certainly have, just for telling people the truth.   Will Dove  23:23 So how do we get that message out? How do we educate enough people that they will go to the government and say, this system, it has to go and replace it with something that's actually going to look after the people?   Dr. Mark Trozzi  23:34 Well, you know, I think a really important thing for people to understand is this isn't a fight between good doctors and the college. I mean, we're certainly in it. But the greatest danger is to the people of the country. Because let's consider again what just happened, what just happened is unprecedent, right? Unjustifiably society locked down, even facially muzzled, speech muzzled, treatments obstructive, businesses locked up, schools locked up, children's immune systems damaged, and then all of that hurting the entire population into a completely fraudulent contaminated genetic injection, that is of great concern. And the data shows it, the autopsy show it, and we're at a point now, where most people know it, because most people have been to by now. Or they know friends who know of cancer or the exacerbation of so many diseases by the many mechanisms of this toxic injection.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  24:44 So, if you look, for instance, I like to refer often to one of the first doctors in this country that stood up is a very mild mannered, very gentle, loving soul, a very intelligent young doctor, Dr. Patrick Phillips. Now, what did Dr. Patrick Phillips do? He just kept studying the science, he stuck to the ethics and he just kept going to work in doing the right thing no matter what they did to him. You know, for instance, when he would see somebody who couldn't move their leg five days after the injection, he would say, well, this is an adverse event. They made it very hard for a doctor to report numbers about this country, very complicated. And they punished you if you did, and they cancel the report. And they call the patient to tell that the doctor was wrong.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  25:25 So, Dr. Patrick Phillips, just for doing the right thing, and people have to understand, Dr. Patrick Phillips, back in 2020, there were thousands of people, including doctors around the world following his Twitter feed, because he was putting science out, he was researching and sharing. So now, Dr. Patrick Phillips is one of the first, but you have myself and Dr. Kilian, you have Dr. Malthouse, Dr. Hoff, Dr. Makis, Dr. Srimathi, Dr. O’Connor, and Dr. Crystal Luchkiw, Dr. Rochagné Kilian, you got a long list of doctors. Now what was unique about us? What was unique about us is when the psychological operation was unleashed, and believe me, the psychological operation on the doctors was at least as intense or more intense, and it wasn't the people. And it was different because the doctors needed to be manipulated into serving their role. They sexually as high priests in this, as COVID called.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  26:20 So, the doctors that couldn't be programmed or submitted - now people don't realize there were many doctors who were smart enough not to take the injection. So, they went to work, they did lower, they didn't say too much, because they just want to take care of their patients. They didn't want to rock the boat. And you know, they swab their noses every week, you know, I know good doctors who did that. And eventually, when their hospital said, you're not working anymore if do you don't take the shot, they left.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  26:50 Now many of those have moved to other places. There are people who are now being served by some of the smartest doctors that used to live in Canada. As for the ones who said no, we're holding the line for our people, we've been eliminated from the system of medicine that is paid for by the taxpayers and their children's endless debt. So you go to a hospital, or you go to a clinic now, you can't see Dr. Mary O'Connor, you can't see Dr. Patrick, you can't see doctors. You're still paying your taxes, but you can't see a doctor who will follow the ethics and the science, which includes the Hippocratic Oath, which demands that you share your best judgment, not that you say what Bill Gates told Tedros to use the WHO to impose on the health minister that the College has been complied with. And everybody made money right down to the fake research.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  27:41 So, with us out of the system, without us on that system, and within billing messenger RNA factories all around the world. And when you look at the IHR amendments and the pandemic preparedness treaty that's being written up, they are preparing to make an industry of what they just did. In other words, four years of turning a manmade virus into an extended pandemic with tons of variants through tons of mistakes and injections. They're getting ready to unleash out on the public with probably H1N1 and more. You don't build the infrastructure or the legal homework to do it's a massive industry of death and corruption coming at the world.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  28:24 And people will go to a clinic or go to a hospital and there will not be a doctor or a nurse there with either the mental fortitude, the resistance to programming, or the willingness to give off home, income, have trouble feeding your children, all the things we go through to do the right thing, which means Canadians are now sitting ducks. So, I think when people realize, so again, believe me there's countries in the world coming around. I've been to parliament's, I've been with governments, and it's a slow process. But there are many people in our own country around the world to realize Dr. Makis isn't some substandard doctor that has lost his license. Dr. Makis is a phenomenal doctor with true ethics and true intelligence. And the same would be said for Patrick Phillips and the rest of us.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  29:15 So, we can all flee the country and go somewhere and provide great service. And somewhere in the world is going to be really lucky. But really, what I'm saying is Alberta could be the super lucky place. Because a lot of our doctors do need a place because we do want to practice medicine as well as fight this political fight. We'd like to have this behind us and just quietly go back to work in an ethical system.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  29:38 So, I think people need to realize that you are sitting ducks, if you let this stand. The College will be used as the final conduit of control. So, your children, and your grandma, and your wife, or your husband, or you, will be processed according to the mandates of a group of psychopathic billionaires including Bill Gates that control the whole thing. And for you that sounds far out. It sounds far out but it's real. Do your research and make sure don't read it off just because it sounds unusual.   Will Dove  30:09 Dr. Makis your thoughts on how we wake up enough people that we have enough of population going to the government saying, we have a scrap system and replace it?   Dr. William Makis  30:17 You know, we are going through this very slow awakening process. I think it's working. I think a lot of people are waking up. The thing is, will enough people wake up in time, so that when another pandemic is unleashed on us, and I think we're maybe weeks, maybe months away from literally another and then make up pandemic 2.0 will be unleashed on us with PCR testing. And you know, it's almost like we're being conditioned like a frog in a boiling pot.   Dr. William Makis  30:45 And it's what this influenza H5N1 virus now. It starts with a dairy farm in Texas. And then suddenly, you've got H5N1 in milk. And now you've got cats licking the milk and now you have cats died. And of course, they've got autopsy results on the cats within three days. You cannot get autopsies on any patient who's had already COVID-19 mRNA vaccines died suddenly or unexpectedly if your life depended on it, but a cat dies of suspected H5N1, they've got autopsy results in days, right? And so, they're building up this - now it's multiple dairy farms, now someone got sick with pinkeye, they'd have to live with the red eyes from the H5N1 and that is very scary. You're either putting those photos out.   Dr. William Makis  31:27 And so, as Dr. Trozzi said, they're building this infrastructure to basically walk us right into another pandemic. They've got the mRNA vaccine factories up and running. In fact, now Moderna and Pfizer are in discussions with the US government, they're finalizing plans to produce H5N1 influenza mRNA vaccines, very quickly. We know from Moderna that they can produce them; I think within 100 days, they can have millions and millions of doses of a new mRNA vaccine. So, we're sleepwalking into another pandemic.   Dr. William Makis  32:02 And the question is, can we wake up enough people in time, where, you know, there's enough of a pushback, or enough pressure put on, let's say, the government of Premier Daniel Smith, to make some serious and concrete changes. You know, in preparation for tonight's event, Injection of Truth that's being held by UCP. I've looked into the bureaucracy of Alberta Health Services. And you were asking, Will, it wasn't the College that destroyed my council program, it was Alberta Health Services. It was basically this giant bureaucracy that administers health care, where they get to make all the important decisions, they get to handle all the money, and again, with minimal provincial oversight.   Dr. William Makis  32:44 So, we have a bureaucracy problem in Canada, it's corrupt bureaucracy in the colleges, but corrupt bureaucracy, in all the medical institutions and the health authorities. So, I was looking at Alberta Health Services, and you know, who's in charge right now, and they've shuffled people around, right? And you have to dig deep into some of these people's backgrounds. Because on paper, they look great. Oh, this doctor has been in leadership roles for 20 years, he's on this national board and that national board and committees and so on, right? It all sounds great on paper. And then you look and say, well, wait a minute, these people are the lifetime bureaucrats who were basically taking money from a previous corrupt government.   Dr. William Makis  33:29 So right now, Alberta Health Services is run by leftist bureaucrats who got their contracts, who got their start in medical leadership from the corrupt government of Rachel Notley from 2015 to 2019, when she installed 3,000 bureaucrats to manage and administer our healthcare system. Each of them getting $45,000 to $600,000, not to mention all the bribes that they get. And these are radical leftists who are aligned with the Justin Trudeau’s US federal government. So, they're leftist loyalists allied to Justin Trudeau. And we know that Trudeau is literally just the conduit for globalist organizations like the World Health Organization, like the World Economic Forum.   Dr. William Makis  34:15 And so, we have a bureaucracy that is literally an open conduit for globalist institutions who are going to be administering whatever comes down the pipeline from the WHO, and we know that the WHO do this whole thing about the pandemic treaty. That was a big resistance to the WHO pandemic treaty. We saw small countries in Europe, rise up against and say we had leaders, say we will not participate in this WHO pandemic treaty, where the WHO is attempting to take an entire country's sovereignty and administer healthcare, and then control pandemics or pandemic responses.   Dr. William Makis  34:56 We saw Slovakia's President survived an assassination attempt. He was gunned down in broad daylight when he said that he would be opposed. He would not allow this country to sign on to the WHO pandemic treaty. So, we've got - and WHO has already said that they will bring back lockdowns, if there's another pandemic. First, they will declare a pandemic. Then they'll bring back lockdowns, they'll bring back mandatory vaccinations. And all of that is going to be administered by local bureaucracies, like Alberta Health Services.   Will Dove  35:30 Right. Now, I want to make a slight left turn, because earlier, Mark, you made a statement. And I'm quite embarrassed that I've never thought to ask this question before in all these interviews that I've done. You talked about the fact that there's so many of these adverse reaction reports that doctors tried to submit, and they were blocked. Who's blocking them? That's the question I've thought to ask before.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  35:51 Well, I mean, I’ll answer this in a story, so I mean, Patrick Phillips again, and he went through this repeatedly. So, he would follow report, then the local public health officer, I believe, would reject the report. And in cases, the public health officer calls the patient and say, it wasn't an adverse event, the doctor you saw made a mistake. And then public health would contact the College and the College would initiate an investigation.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  36:23 And this is another telltale sign of how far off the rails we are, which is the way a doctor is supposed to come on an investigation if the College was functioning as duty would be based on a patient complaint. It’s not from a patient’s complaint, it’s from bureaucrat complaints, because Patrick Phillips, and others, were not supporting the agenda, which they were.   Dr. William Makis  36:45 So that was a case of Ontario, for example, yes. Here in Alberta, I've spoken to a number of doctors who submitted vaccine injury reports, and they were all blocked. They were all rejected. And they were rejected by Alberta Health Services managers. So, there's a bureaucracy within Alberta Health Services, where if a doctor submits a vaccine injury report that goes to one of these HS directors, and we have 3,000 directors, right? So, take your pick, you'll have the Calgary's medical director, or the Edmonton’s medical director. And, you know, we have, of course, directors of hospitals and so on.   Dr. William Makis  37:21 So, depending on where you are in the system, but there's always a bureaucrat, who will intercept that vaccine injury report. And this is happening in every single province in Canada. There are bureaucrats who are intercepting these reports. Now, they have been given instructions to intercept those reports, so that Health Canada can clean their hands and say, look zero deaths. Vaccines are causing no deaths. You know, we got a few reports that are rare. Of course, myocarditis is mild and good for you, right?   Dr. William Makis  37:49 So, we have these bureaucrats, all of whom will get to their positions because of their loyalty to, let's say, the Trudeau Government. So, this bureaucracy is a network, a network of friends that - you help each other get into high places. But you've got a bureaucrat that'll intercept a vaccine injury report, block it, return it back as rejected, saying, no, the vaccine had nothing to do with this. And then they will scrutinize the doctor who submitted that report. And there will be a manager or director of his department, let's say, who will sit down and have a talk with him and say, what are you doing? Why are you submitting vaccine injury reports, you’re causing vaccine hesitancy, if you’ll keep it up, you're going to get stripped of your job and your medical license. And this is the problem, by the way, all of this is illegal. So, the bureaucrats whether it's at the College, whether it's at the health authorities, are engaging in illegal activity. And there is no one to stop them.   Will Dove  38:49 So, I as I often do, I've been leading to a point, thank you so much for all of your input, because at this point in time, I should think it's fairly obvious that we've got the Colleges of Physician and Surgeons, I'm going to throw in the nursing colleges, we've got the various provincial health services, and we've got varying levels of the government who all appear to be colluding to create this corrupt system. And I don't think it will come as a surprise to our viewers or to either of you, when I suggest that Big Pharma is a big factor behind that. They're mucking around, they're paying people off, they're bribing people, they're coercing people. And at the same time, they have indemnity against the people their products injure.   Will Dove  39:26 So, it seems to me that any new system that we discussed, bringing in to replace the corrupt one, we have to find some way to prove it against that kind of monkeying around from Big Pharma. How do we do that? William, will you start on that one?   Dr. William Makis  39:41 Yeah, well, that's a tough question.   Will Dove  39:43 I know it’s a tough question.   Dr. William Makis  39:47 I know, because basically, you're starting from a point and I think Dr. Trozzi would agree that all of our institutions have failed. And so, we have no checks and balances left in Canada anymore. The police, we can’t go to the police because the police are corrupt, the RCMP are corrupt, the judges are corrupt, the courts are corrupt, the various levels of whether municipal governments or provincial governments, law of corruption in these governments. Now again, I know that in Alberta, we've got some fresh faces, we've got some new politicians who want to do the right thing, and are fighting to do the right thing. That's why we're actually able to do the event tonight, the UCP sponsored event, a political event, first of its kind in history, an Injection of Truth, where it's a first political event that actually examines what's been happening with the COVID vaccine injections and children.   Dr. William Makis  40:42 And so, we have people who are trying to do the right thing. So, I mean, you can't write off all the institutions, there are good people in a basically roughly institutions that are trying to turn things around. But this is a very, very difficult question, because I am of the opinion that it has to come from the people. People have to demand brand new institutions. We have to start over, we have to scrap the existing corrupt institution, we can't mandate them over. We can't kick off one, let's say, Alberta Health Services executive and another one, his buddy, takes place because that's exactly what's happened in the last 12 months. We have the Premier - so the most corrupt bureaucrat in Canada, Alberta Health Services chief medical officer, Dr. Francois Belanger, who brought the WEF to Alberta, signed the deal with the World Economic Forum, brought vaccine mandates, blocked early treatments, and brought vaccines into the childhood scheduled COVID vaccines for babies as young as six months old, Premiere Danielle Smith fired him last November.   Dr. William Makis  41:54 It’s incredible. It is one of the highest-level bureaucrats to ever just be fired by the Premier. Within a few months, all of his friends and subordinates work in key positions continue to run Alberta Health Services. So, we need some way of scrapping these institutions. And as Dr. Trozzi said, start building parallel institutions in the meantime, that has to come from the grassroots.   Will Dove  42:24 Dr. Trozzi, your thoughts?   Dr. Mark Trozzi  42:26 Well, I think the only thing I'd add to that is the Criminal Code. We have to - I don't think we can accept this as Canadians, but the rule of law no longer counts on this. And one of the concerns I have and it's very demonstrated when you look at the contract between Health Canada, and Pfizer, or Moderna, and almost exactly the same contracts with other countries. What you see is when you look into the contract, now not to us, they didn't tell us any of this, the people, that when you look in the contract, you see that it's admitted there that, well, we don't really have proof of safety, we don't really have proof that it works. You know, it's all there, the stuff we've been warning about, it's all there.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  43:08 But once you have that, you have the individuals, the faces and names who hold these bureaucratic positions, who signed that contract on behalf of Canada. Those people, what they've done is they've transferred the responsibility, or they've tried to and there's a lot of reasons this won’t work, it shouldn't. But they've transferred the responsibility to the government. Because the government signed for it.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  43:33 Well, who's the government? Oh, it's the people. Oh, wait a minute, so we just got taxed to kill our kids, and we're responsible. And this is where we need to isolate these individuals. And now we can't arrest everybody in this country, nor should we give an injection because everybody has been through a massive psychological operation. I mean, imagine, the nurse who you could say, wow, that nurse injected a bunch of people, the doctor made a lot of money injecting, they also injected each other, right? But we need to go for the heads of the snakes. And they need to wear handcuffs when they leave office.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  44:06 So, this idea that people can do this nonsense, and then just leave office and leave the government or the people holding the bag. No, no, no. These were acts of criminal negligence at minimum, criminal negligence causing death and bodily harm. Otherwise known as criminal at a certain point, it's the data you're so responsible in these offices to know what we've been telling everyone what a lot of people know now. That to go ahead and push these injunctions becomes negligible as homicide, I mean, these are major crimes. These crimes need to be prosecuted.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  44:40 And then even if we banded together and duct tape together, even the existing institution, people are going to go into an office and do the same thing when the last guy left in handcuffs for doing that. Individual responsibilities to countless country. And I think the Criminal Code is the very key. Also, I think, I think it's true that we've seen so much corruption across every spectrum. But there are good people fighting.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  45:07 I mean, that's why we're here. I mean, you do have people in government right now doing their job. There are members of parliament who, and we've had new elections, we have – I’m going to Manitoba Strong and Free from the 21st to 23rd of this month which is a great group, vote independent people running for office, they’re taking back the government, and there are good people there. And we need to support those people, I do support those people.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  45:32 Also, with the judges, we have judges who are super corrupt, and you get them sitting in you go, okay, well, they're going to tell us two plus two is five, and it's raining on a blue-sky day. But I know there are judges right now who are looking at their own grandchildren, and who are smart enough and have woken up over a several years of this mind abuse, they've woken up enough to realize that, hey, you know, why would this Doctor Trozzi guy put everything here and his entire life on the line and work like a dog for three and a half years. To say, not because they needed a hobby, they're in the same boat, because they have family.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  46:12 And I think that's probably we have to care on this. And that's where we're getting this message. I'm not just trying to get this message to farmers and nurses, and plumbers, I'm trying to get it also to judges, and police, and politicians, and everybody. And when people really look and see what's happening, you realize, complying is not the way of - complying is the most dangerous thing we can do. And that includes the judges.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  46:35 So, I pursue this October, the eighth court day with some optimism, but I also approach it that willing to say, okay, if they just tell us two plus two is five, then I think we're at the point that, I think you're speaking where it's like, okay, God, it's not valid. And we as a people, and this is not the first time in history, we as a people have not only a right, but we have a duty to survive and thrive. And we have to do that which kind of segue somewhat into a whole other issue. You know, in addition to taking action, I mean, people should be, I think it was Sean Buckley who said this at the recent - if this isn't becoming the center of your universe, you're delusional.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  47:22 Because everything you've always aligned. So, people say, well, I'm not going to take a risk, I want to keep mind in this, I'm a judge, I don't think you're a - you know, look at the big agenda, look at Agenda 2030, look at where this thing goes. If we go along with this, and don't stop it, everybody loses everything. So, people that lost things, first, we'll just be like everyone else. So, there's that aspect. And then as well, there's a whole other aspect, which is people need to take responsibility for their health. People need to learn about nutrition and exercise and all the foundations of real health.   Will Dove  47:52 Thank you for that excellent lead in to my next question. It's obvious that this is a very complex problem. And in my experience, there are no simple solutions to complex problems, it has to be something that's going to be attacked from different angles. We're not going to get a government, even Danielle Smith's government, that's going to fix all this from the top down to scrap everybody, replace it with a new system tomorrow. And as you've said, William, this has to come from the people up.   Will Dove  48:18 So, here's an idea. And I'd like your thoughts on this. And I want to preface this by something that you and I had been discussing, your friend Matthew Holman, an amazing researcher, who's putting together this compendium of natural health products that are replacements for pharmaceuticals. Because one of the major problems with a new system is, in order for the doctors licensed by it to be able to write prescriptions, it has to be authorized by the government. But one prescription wasn’t necessary. And you made allusion to this earlier, we've got YYC Rocks here in Alberta, we've got Dr. Kilian in a clinic in Ontario, we've got all of these private membership clinics springing up across North America, Europe, where people can go in, they just signed an agreement and says, whatever, as long as we're not breaking the law, if we sign an agreement that I can go to you as a doctor, and you can give me a treatment plan. That's perfectly legal, and it doesn't have to be authorized by the government.   Will Dove  49:11 So, the question I wanted to ask is, could you see that kind of membership clinic, being the thing that starts the ball rolling from the public up, and especially if the doctors who are working within it don't need to write prescriptions, because there's enough natural products that we could deal with many of the problems that way, as well as you said, just teaching people to address the root of the problem, look after their health, eat right, get proper exercise, instead of trying to medicate the problem. What do you think?   Dr. Mark Trozzi  49:41 Well, I think that's exactly a very important direction. When I was in medical school, we studied anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, histology, strange stuff. I mean, humanities learned a lot of stuff about biology and human body. So, we learned a lot of brilliant stuff, and then we got to therapeutics, further along, and then you say, wait a minute, all these amazing enzyme systems, all these metabolic pathways, and we're going to treat disease by poisoning them, and nothing else. Like 95% of medications that you can get a prescription for, by definition are poisonous. And I'm not saying there isn't a place for them. But that shouldn't be 95% of what we do.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  50:22 Because you look at the same metabolic pathways. And you see, you've got all these vitamins and coenzymes, and enzymatic pathways, you've got all these things we can do that are natural to help shift what's going on in people's bodies metabolically, so they manifest as health rather than as disease. So, we know that the Rockefellers, you know, you go back to the early 1900s, you have the Abraham Lister report, which was really a move to say, listen, we're going to kick everybody out of healthcare, we're going to take over and control at the beginning of the public health care, right? And we're going to keep the physicians and surgeons, they're real. Your nutritionists aren’t. Your homeopaths, definitely aren’t. Chiropractors, get rid of them. Massage therapists, they're not real. Get rid of all these other things. There's like a dozen modalities of treatment, physicians and surgeons were among them, we're going to keep them but then what they've done is they've gradually co-opted, they've gradually taken over medical education.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  51:24 And they've narrowed the spectrum. So, what people have available is patented products that are poisons, that don't, for the most part solve problems that could be solved by changing how we're living, changing what we're doing, and discovering other things. So where does that put us as doctors and nurses? I look at it this way, because over the last few years, being in this process, we've learned so much. That's the one thing people have to realize. Like a war, it causes a boom in technology. This has caused among those of us, even though that you’re, you know, all these people have been locked out of hospitals, we've been working together, and we're now talking thousands, right?   Dr. Mark Trozzi  52:07 And we're now rediscovering and learning much better ways to treat diseases. I mean, even cancer, I mean, look at Dr. Maki work on cancer. I mean, people, you've got a lot of options other than, you know, a cup of poison. And so, I feel that as doctors and nurses, we need to kind of retrofit ourselves. So, another, it's my ability to do a good history, and a good physical exam, and analyze what I'm seeing and make a great diagnosis to use laboratory and diagnostic tools to fine tune my diagnosis, and to counterpart I could say, this is what's wrong with you. This is the cause of your disease. That's the point where we need to retrofit and say, okay, we were limited to poisons. Now, we're going to take all this, and that's part of the process.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  53:00 You know, like Matthew, and others. If you look at the work of the FLCC, World Council for Health, and look at Dr. Makis work on cancer, the new information we're sharing, that's the part where we need to retrofit the doctors. And what's convenient about it, for as long as this corruption, this criminality continues, which I hope it ends like 10 minutes ago. I'm praying every day for that. I’m working every day for that. But that, yes, doctors may operate in private membership associations. In other words, people have a right in a private association and do what they want. You want me to look at your hand, and check it out when it's sore, and say, oh, looks like this little muscle sore, it must be this exercise you did, and here's a few treatments.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  53:45 Within a private membership, sociation, you're free to do that, you're free to do the same for me. I can say hey, you not a chiropractor, but could you help my back over here? So, then you say, well, yeah, we can't prescribe drugs. Well, that's where this comes in, where we probably don't need to, and we're probably better off without them. And so, people coming with Type 1 diabetes, rather than getting a much pill, so they can gradually become obese to plunge yourself off and die from the side effects, they can learn about nutrition. And they could change their lifestyle, and they could learn how to fast, and they could reset their immune system. People, we are capable of such a higher level of health than we've been experiencing. And so maybe that is one of the great things that comes out of this, for those of us who have come through this.   Will Dove  54:35 Dr. Makis, I can imagine where you might have a slightly different perspective because your revolutionary treatment for cancer certainly had to involve some very complex biochemistry. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean Big Pharma had to be involved. But it's not something you're going to do with the natural health product. What do you think?   Dr. William Makis  54:53 Well, you’re right about that. But what I do see, I'm very much in agreement with Dr. Trozzi here on what he just described. What Dr. Trozzi is describing is doctors, nurses, all kinds of healthcare professional of adapting, adapting to a new paradigm, because we are in a new paradigm. And the way I describe the new paradigm is that the Big Pharma and mainstream medicine, they've gone so far off the deep end, in terms of really harming their patients poisoning, their patients, they've gone so far off the deep end. I mean, what's the worst thing that we had, before the COVID-19 vaccines were basically forced on everybody?   Dr. William Makis  55:37 We had the Vioxx scandal, which led to tens of thousands of people dying from cardiac problems, cardiac arrest, and so on. We have the opioid crisis, which is a huge problem. But what they've done with the COVID-19 vaccines is on a scale we've never seen before. And then they basically injected 70% of humanity with toxic contaminated to genetic treatments, that we have no idea what the long-term effects of that are going to be. As far as I'm concerned, that has killed mainstream medicine, and if it hasn't killed it already, because most people don't trust their doctors anymore anyway, it will kill it over the next 5-10 years.   Dr. William Makis  56:14 So mainstream medicine has died, they've gone completely off the deep end, they throw all the medical ethics out the window, and the doctors who are going to go down with that ship are not going to make it long-term. You've got doctors here that have taken four shots, five shots, six, seven, eight. Some of them have even taken 9 shots. They've poisoned themselves. It's almost like they've gone off the cliff with the ship.   Dr. William Makis  56:40 And so, the way I see it is, there's a lot of good smart health practitioners, maybe some of them didn't have the courage to stand up and so on, but there's still a lot of good people that are not going to be willing to go off that cliff. I got to say there is no future in mainstream medicine. There is no future going along with where the politicians have pushed us, where these globalist institutions have pushed us, or the pharmaceutical companies because as you can see, they're trying to put mRNA into everything. They're going to try to put mRNA into childhood vaccines. They're going to try to put it in our food, into our beef and pork and chicken. They're looking at mRNA vaccinating seafood. There’re grants being awarded for vaccinating shrimp that we're going to eat. They're going to be putting it into plants. They're going to be trying to find ways to aerosolized it and have these nasal sprays, that'll just spray these mRNA. So, you know, the mainstream medicine has completely gone off the deep end.   Dr. William Makis  57:35 Now, of course, you've got good treatments, certain radiation treatments, for example, or the cancer treatments that I was doing that require infrastructure. And so, what are we going to do with that? I don't know. But what I see happening, and Dr. Trozzi has described it beautifully, is that those healthcare practitioners who still care about helping people, they're adapting, they're adapting and they're finding new ways to help people.   Dr. William Makis  58:06 And whether that's going back to more traditional natural methods, but there's clinics rising up and all of this, it's happening organically. And I think it can't be stop. There's no way to stop it. You've got clinics here in Alberta, rent clinics popping up. You know, I, basically putting out substacks. I'm looking at repurposing drugs that are safe and maybe very helpful in cancer like ivermectin, methimazole, for example. But I'm looking at natural products too, like black seed oil, and quercetin and curcumin, and tried to go back into the research.   Dr. William Makis  58:44 And you know, the things that mainstream medicine abandoned. And I think that's what a lot of us are doing now is we're adapting; we're adapting to the new paradigm. And we're finding ways, new ways, to continue helping people. And I think that is an organic process that's just going to continue evolving, and it's going to continue building and growing. And when the mainstream medicine has completely collapsed into the ashes, there will be something in its place, something new, something much, much better.   Will Dove  59:17 Right. And as you both pointed out, this is a complex problem to which there is not one simple solution. And all of the problems are not going to get solved at once, but we have to start somewhere. And what you gentlemen have agreed on is, one, we have to scrap the current system, it's highly unlikely that can be fixed. It's just simply too broken, too corrupt, we have to replace it with another system. And that system, the foundation of it could be starting with these private membership associations run by ethical doctors and nurses. And the fact that they can't prescribe pharmaceuticals could actually be a good thing because most of them are so damn harmful anyway. And that might just be the start of waking people up.   Will Dove  59:53 And I want to return now to kind of where we started. This has to come from the people and now that we've put all this together, I like both of you to give your final thoughts to our viewers about the people. And the need to do as your part to make this happen. William, would you please start?   Dr. William Makis  1:00:12 Certainly. I think we're at a period right now where it's almost like we're in the eye of the hurricane. Everything seems still. And yet, there's destruction all around us. But you know, there's a sentiment that well, let's just move on, let's forget about COVID. Everyone wants to just move on with their life, kind of forget that the last four years happened. Apparently, there was some talk about this event tonight, this UCP sponsored event, and there were apparently political people who said, why are you doing this? Why are we talking about this? Let's just move on, let's not talk about vaccine injuries, and so on.   Dr. William Makis  1:00:54 So, we're in this sort of in between period, where I think a lot of people just want to kind of move on and pretend nothing happened. And that's not the way forward. You know, we know what's coming. We know that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. And it's not sunlight, it's a train heading straight for us.   Dr. William Makis  1:01:14 And Dr. Trozzi described it beautifully, that they're building all these fact- already factories, you know, around the world, they're putting in legal frameworks, you know, the WHO to declare new pandemics, force new injections on people. They're not doing this, because they don't want to use any of this. Like it's coming. And it's coming fast. I mean, we've got an election year in the United States, we know that everything's up for grabs, in terms of the United States, for example.   Dr. William Makis  1:01:41 So, I think the worst thing right now is complacency. And I think people have to start taking action. You cannot sit on the fence. If you care about your children, if you care about your grandchildren, you cannot sit on the fence anymore, you cannot but bury your head in the sand, and when everything blows over and that you will be fine, you'll be one of the few people who will be fine, who’ll be gifted a few bucks by Pfizer or by the government, for keeping your mouth shut and burying your head in the sand. That is not the way forward. Everyone needs to get involved.   Dr. William Makis  1:02:14 And I don't care what method that is, whether it's making videos, whether it's sharing content, whether it's trying to wake up your family members, your neighbors, getting involved, locally, politically, getting involved in school boards, getting involved in politics, but people must get involved. If you want a better future for your children. I certainly, I’m doing this because I want a better future for my children. And you know, I have many opportunities to leave Canada over the last few years, and I've stayed here and I'm fighting for my children's future. If people want a better future for their children, they need to get involved, do something, whatever it is, but complacency is the worst thing you can do. You must get involved somewhere.   Will Dove  1:03:00 Dr. Trozzi, your final thoughts?   Dr. Mark Trozzi  1:03:01 Well, first would be I completely agree with that and people have got to get involved. This is not a spectator sport. And everyone’s life, everyone’s children, everyone's descendant, everyone's future are all aligned here. So, I always hear about you know, people need to get involved. Not think that because COVID has kind of cooled down. No one's forcing you to wear muzzle right now. No one's forcing jabs right now. If that was the warmup, that was step one, they're now preparing to duplicate that over and over randomly sampling septic tanks and cities, PCR, coming up with pathogens, forcing people to take injection. So, I would say 100% with what Dr. Makis said, people, this is your fight, do get involved.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  1:03:50 You're being taxed to hurt your family. Make sure you're supporting people, and organizations like Iron Will Report that are fighting for you. But you need to get involved. You should be obsessed with this. Because when this is over, if we've won and if we've restored society, hey, we can go fishing and get on with our lives. Not right now. Doing that now is absolute foolishness. It's like burying your head in the sand.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  1:04:12 The other two things I would mention is people need to take care of their immune systems. We've got gain of function research, and so much of - we know the mandates like locking people up and not getting sunshine destroyed the immune system. So, I think it’s really important for people to understand the basics. Remember this mnemonic, NEW START - Nutrition, Exercise, Water means to be well hydrated with healthy fluoride and chloride to the water. There’s Sunshine and vitamin D. Temperatures, cold and hot exposure. Air, fresh air. R - Rest. T stands for trust, trusting doctors how to adjust to healthy spiritual psychological existence. Those are the foundations of immunity. And those are super important.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  1:05:01 The other thing we need to realize is 80% of our brothers and sisters and cousins and friends in this country have been injected with a genetic fraud, full of DNA contamination. We do not have all the solutions. But we've developed enough solutions that people who couldn't walk are walking, people that were very sick aren't sick. And so, we need to really make sure that people are aware of the things, detox, or treating, and a good starting place for that, because you'll find it branches into other people's research. If you go to my website, DrTrozzi.org, and you just type in the word detox, you'll find a short series, but within that, you'll find links, so you can dive deep, you can look at the work of the FLCCC, you can look at the work of the World Council for Health. I highly recommend people continue following Dr. Makis work, and yours. Yours covers a broader spectrum than just the medical side because it is a complex work.   Will Dove  1:05:54 Gentlemen, I want to thank you, not just for your time today, but very seldom do I have my guests give me a perfect lead in to a bit of a plug for my own organization's efforts. But you have, because you're both talking about the fact that the people have to get involved. And my own organization Strong and Free Canada, most of you know that I'm not just a journalist with ironwiredaily.com, I'm also the founder of strongandfreecanada.org, where we provide Canadians with the tools and information to protect their rights.   Will Dove  1:06:21 But very recently, we launched freedomcoms.org, The Freedom Communities and Communications Network, you can go there, you can sign up for free, it takes only a minute and you can connect with other people in your area who are also freedom minded, who want to form in person groups, so that you can begin working together to make changes. It’s really important. It's free, freedomcoms.org. It'll take you one minute to sign up. And we've built it in such a way to protect your identity. So even if the government managed to hack it, they won't know who you are.   Will Dove  1:06:52 Gentlemen, thank you so much for your time.   Dr. Mark Trozzi  1:06:53 Thank you.   Dr. William Makis  1:06:54 Thank you very much.