Auto-Generated Transcript Human-reviewed transcript coming soon MAiD in Canada, it used to refer to quality products, but now Canada is known around the world as the leader in medical assistance in dying, or suicide by doctor. While our health care system is collapsing due to mismanagement and underfunding, mandates which fired thousands of frontline health care workers, many of whom have still not been rehired, and doctors leaving for the U .S. are retiring early because they refuse to participate. participate in the transgender attack upon our children or to provide maid to their patients. Trudeau's government is spending uncounted millions to build maid centers across the country and to actively promote suicide by doctor. Currently in all provinces in Canada, patients with severe health care issues or those nearing the end of life are repeatedly given the option. option for maid. And there are horror stories of people mourning the loss of loved ones who were essentially coerced into doctor -assisted suicide. In addition, the procedure is misrepresented and is not necessarily the peaceful death it is claimed to be. Alex Schadenberg, the Executive Director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition has been tracking MAiD data in Canada and coordinating resistance to these laws for years. The EPC is the best source in the country for accurate information on MAiD. Alex estimates, from government figures, that since MAiD with legalized undertrudo in 2016, over 60 ,000 Canadians have now been killed in her hospital. and assisted suicide centres, making Canada the world leader for this procedure. And many of the victims are not demonstrably facing an inevitable death in the foreseeable future. MAiD psychosis is permeating our country. Visitors to food banks are inquiring about MAiD because it's too hard to be poor. poor. And our government wants, as of February 27th, to make MAiD an option for those suffering from mental health issues. While there is resistance to that in the form of Bill C -62 which would delay this until 2027, the success of that bill is by no means certain. And if our federal government passes legislation in just a few days. that will legalize maid for the mentally ill, their next step will be going after our children in the form of new legislation that would make maid available to mature minors without parental consent. There is no legal definition of mature minor, and it is feared that children as young as 12 could opt to have a doctor kill them, and the next step will be going after our children in the form of new legislation that would would have no say, no way to prevent the tragic loss of their child, murdered by our government. with you. It's been a little while, but these topics are pretty relentless. So I'm happy to be back with you. Yeah. I think it's actually been a couple of years, Alex, and it's the situation has just deteriorated dramatically. Recently, I reported on my news show that you're estimating that at this point in time, since it was legalized in 2016, we've had over 60 ,000 MAiD deaths in Canada. And that, of course, is it's an undercount because of things that are sort of unofficially MAiD, and we'll get into that later. But there's other statistics. Could you relate those to the viewers, please? - Well, Canada actually is very slow in releasing. It's euthanasia or MAiD data. And so what I've done in the last few years is I've been able to uncover most of the data before the federal government ever releases it. So for instance, last year I was pretty accurate in my prediction as to the number of deaths we had in Canada in 2022, before the government ever released it. released it. So, you know, I contact the different provinces and get the information as to how many have died. And I'm estimating now that we had 16 ,000 Eucanasia deaths in 2023 in Canada. Now, obviously, I don't have an exact number, but I have the data from Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, and Nova Scotia. So it gets to be right into the ballpark if you consider the size of Quebec and Ontario. on top of it I don't have British Columbia data yet, and I'm working on getting that British Columbia is always the Number two whether I like it or not province in Canada for a percentage of deaths that are by euthanasia MAiD So when I get that that obviously I'll be able to be far more accurate or closer to the number What what it means though is that I'm predicting around a little almost around a 25 % increase from last year And if you consider the the number of deaths we've had in Canada, there's been a constant increase. So when you said coming into the show that we had about 60 ,000, according to my calculations, we had a little less than 61 ,000 as of December of 2023 in Canada since legalization. And now, of course, we're well into 2024. So we're approaching new heights all the time. I think it's significant. not just because it's a stat, because, you know, as you know, sadly, statistics are just a number, you know, a single death is a tragedy, and statistics are a number. And then it shouldn't be like that, but that's how it is. But the fact of it is, is that when we legalized Euthanasia in Canada, we were told, oh, it would only be for the few for the extreme cases for those, you know, that small number. And they never said that we would have what we have today. They also, when we argued back back in 2014, 2015, before we legalized this in 2016, we argued pretty vigorously that what happened in the Netherlands and Belgium was going to happen here in Canada, meaning that the law was going to expand very fast. They said, "No, no, we won't be the same as the Netherlands and Belgium, but if you look at our data, we've actually surpassed them." And there's nothing to be proud of, but it's a reality and it's a sad reality and it shows you what's happened with the killing of Canada. And I believe that per capita, Canada now leads the world. In fact, possibly not even per capita, I think just in absolute numbers, do we not? Well, in absolute numbers we lead the world, but we have a higher population than certainly the Netherlands or Belgium. Percentage -wise, we're around the same number. Like, Netherlands showed that at the end of 2022, they had 5 .1 % of all deaths. We're somewhere in that range right now. Quebec actually is the highest number in the world at 6 .8 % of all deaths. So, and British Columbia is number two in the world right now. So, when you look at that kind of number, you're starting to realize pretty quickly that we are surpassing what's happening in other nations that have a terrible record as it is also. The only thing I can be pleased with is the fact that we're delaying euthanasia from mental illness. But remember, there's still people with mental illness. illness who are dying by euthanasia in Canada. The law that would have allowed euthanasia for mental illness alone is being delayed. It's not a done deal yet. As you know, the bill passed in the House of Commons to delay it until March of 2027. Euthanasia or mental illness alone, that is, meaning people with depressions, people with chronic mental health issues. But it still has to pass in the Senate. And those who remember the history of what happened in Canada, it was actually the Senate that forced euthanasia from mental illness alone upon Canada. It was the Senate who amended that Bill C7 in March of 2021 to include that as a requirement for their passing of the law. So I'm worried about the Senate because there are quite a few senators who believe that people with mental illness are being discriminated against. if we don't allow them to be killed by lethal poisons. And I read that in one of your posts, discriminated against that. I can't get my head around that. There's so many things wrong with that statement. I don't know where to start. On what grounds do they feel this is some form of discrimination? Well, as you know, Canada has this whole concept of equality that's sort of the mixed up because we look at equality and not in the sense of the reality of equality, but we consider discrimination to deny somebody access to something that somebody else has access to. So that's how they're arguing it. They're saying that people who exist to have chronic mental health problems, that that's the type of suffering. And so we are discriminating against them when we don't allow them to have access to lethal poison, death by lethal poison, simply because of the fact that that if you're able -bodied or you have a physical health issue, you would be allowed to have this. So if you consider the argument, it's based on this concept that suffering is suffering is suffering. But the problem with the whole issue of euthanasia from mental illness, and remember, I don't support any killing. So right off the bat, what I'm saying to you is showing you just simply how the argument of the other side of the argument. dissipates in the fact that they sold Canada, euthanasia under the guise of freedom of choice, adults who are freely choosing and who are autonomously choosing and who are capable of choosing. That's how they sold it to Canada. But people with mental health issues are often questionably capable of choosing. They're often not fully autonomous because of their health conditions. And so when we're looking at this, it really now now questions the consent of the person. And yeah, we'd be killing them anyway. But you know, consent is just something to sell this, you know, we sold this to Canadians based on freedom of choice and autonomy. But when we actually look at the issue, it's not about freedom of choice or autonomy. It is about killing. And it is about killing people at certain times of their life. That's what it's exactly about. Now, in the same way, Canada's debating euthanasia for children. And I'm very concerned about that because I'm you might remember in February of 2023, that parliamentary committee that was struck to look at the law itself, they came out with a report in February of 2023 saying we needed euthanasia for mature minors also. So what is a mature minor? A mature minor is not based on an age, it's based on an assessment. So the doctor would assess that your 13 -year -old or your 12 -year -old is an adult. of making medical decisions on their own without your consent, without your approval. And so therefore that mature minor, because that's how they're determined to be, would be able to then decide to die by euthanasia with or without your consent. And that's the kind of thing that they're talking about doing next in Canada. And once again, it's all based on equality. They're saying, how can you allow euthanasia in Canada, you know, killing someone by poisonous drugs based on an 18 year old. -old, when there are 17 -year -olds, 16 -year -olds, 15 -year -olds, 14 -year -olds, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, who are also going through similar conditions. And this is the issue at hand. It's all about equality. And this raises a very serious concern, this mature miners thing. One of the things that I read in one of the stories on your website, talked about somebody who'd gone to a doctor, wanted to, you know, get the document signed. for euthanasia the doctor refused So they simply went to another doctor. You know, if this is an assessment Well, we've got kids possibly as young as 12 or 13 Going to their school counselor who then sends them off to a doctor who perhaps says no well, they're legit to find another doctor Right. So obviously in the case of mature moderate could be the same very same situation that if they if they were assessed by one doctor as having having I would say questionable competence, the next doctor might actually assess them as having being fully competent. And the reality is that these things can always be challenged, that's true, but once you determine that someone is competent to make decisions on their own, they would be competent to make such a decision also in the case of euthanization, that's what it comes down to. Now the issue of, I don't know, with school counselors and things like that, because in this case this person is likely to have an euthanization, that's what it comes down to, that's what it comes down to. a terminal or an irremediable medical condition. So we should get into what the law actually says, because a lot of people totally misunderstand Canada's law. The reason we have so many deaths is because the law is very wide open. So what happened is when we first legalized issues in Asia and Canada, we said that you had to have a terminal condition, but we defined that as having that your natural death must be reasonably foreseeable. That's how the law said it. Well, if your natural death had to be reasonably foreseeable, what did that actually mean? Well, the law never defined that. So then when we struck that down and then changed and passed this bill C7 in March of 2021, we removed the line in there in the law saying that your natural death had to be reasonably foreseeable. So what that meant is what was remaining in the law is you had to have an irremediable medical condition. What is an irremediable medical condition? medical condition? This is the problem at hand because it's not defined in the law either. So an irremediable medical condition is also a very subjective term. What it means is someone has to have a chronic condition or if somebody has a disability and that disability is somewhat degenerative, meaning they're not getting better and it might get worse over time, that would mean they have an irremediable medical condition. they would then qualify for euthanasia. This is why all those stories started showing up in 2022 about people with disabilities who are dying based on poverty, homelessness, an inability to get medical treatment. These were these became very real issues because of the fact that the law required you to have an irremediable medical condition and a lot of people with disabilities and qualified to be killed. killed, but they weren't asking for it based on their disability. They were asking for it based on their poverty or their homelessness or other issues such as medical treatment questions, or they're having difficulty getting medical treatment. And I think that's such a fundamental issue to us Canadians, because we have what you call, as you know, universal healthcare. And yet what what it means for many Canadians is that you're universally in line, you're universally waiting. And if you have a disability and you're you're going through, I would just say, have a more, I would just say, difficult treatment needs, etc., it might be very hard for you to find a physician who's available to take you as a patient and on top of it, who has knowledge about your condition. So you can see where we're getting at, that a lot of people are not asking for euthanasia based on the fact that they are suffering so greatly, they are seeking death as a an alternative, et cetera. No, it's not at all. It's based on, I can't get medical treatment or I'm living in poverty or et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And no one seems to care about me anyway. And this has become a reality for so many cases. - And to make that even worse, there's quite a number of jurisdictions in Canada where if you call up health services, they will offer you, MAiD as an alternative. option. Okay. And actually that's universal. Just, you know, will that's universal. So what's happening in Canada is they've determined, so we're after that, I have to tell you the differences because it's important to know there's differences. So Australia has also legalized euthanasia. So just, you know, if you go to Australia, they have the same sort of concept of legalizing euthanasia. They've done that there now in the last couple of years, but the difference between Australia and Canada is in Australia. Australia, the doctor can't offer it to you. You can only request it. In Canada, they said, oh, because it's a legal service, therefore, everybody needs to know of its availability. So if you go to the hospital and you have a significant medical condition or they look at you and you appear to have an irremediable medical condition, whatever that means, they must offer you it as an option. So to make it even worse, you may not realize this will, every major hospital in Canada has what they call a MAiD team. So what that is is a team of people who are willing to kill you, and they then go basically from room to room, asking somebody if they know that they have the option of MAiD, of euthanasia. And so you get this sort of pressure on people who are going through a difficult time of their life. life. Remember, if you're actually on a MAiD team, that means you exist, your whole job is to kill people. If you're going to do that, obviously speaking, one of the things you're going to do to justify your position is to actually try and sell MAiD to someone who looks like they qualify. And that's what a lot of people have been saying. I get phone calls from people who say, "Alex, when are they going to stop asking me if I want MAiD?" You know, I got this call from British Columbia just recently from a woman, she was quite an elderly woman, her husband was in palliative care and he was dying. They had said no, they had no interest in MAiD and yet they were asked again and again and again. She calls me up saying, "We've been asked five times now." So start thinking about that. How many times do you have to say no before it means no? Think about that. Especially since if you consider other ways that that we hurt people, isn't this the same sort of concept other than this is killing? Yes. And is there pressure being put on the healthcare workers to be pushed and MAiD? Well, yes and no. It's more so that they're selling it. They feel to justify, they think that this is a good thing. So they're selling it as an option of freedom. And it's the ones who are convinced by it who think it's a war. thing that are the ones involved with this sort of sales approach and it sort of makes sense like obviously if you're involved with doing MAiD if you're involved with you know leasingly injecting people with you know lethal poisons obviously speaking you're also someone who's going to think that maybe that person in that condition should also have this because you look at them you say oh they they look like they qualify you know this concept of eugenics starts ringing very loud in Canada, and the reason is that the person who's justifying the killing is going to be seeking out people who they think qualify. So it starts becoming a situation where you are pre -assessed. So let me tell you the one story that happened in British Columbia, and this is a crazy story. There was a woman in British Columbia who was talking to our oncologist, and they their oncologist said, "You know, know your cancer's got to the point where there's There's no further real treatment that can help you. So that's that's not a question that that could be very much the reality at a Certain point. There's nothing more we can actually do and in that conversation The discussion about maid came up. This woman was very clear. She had no interest in maid But or she didn't ask for she says I didn't ask for it. But what happened is the oncologist oncologist filled out the paperwork and approved her He thought the conversation about maid actually justified the approval of this woman She was then living with her daughter and son -in -law who took her in to be with her as she's dying And they receive a phone call from Fraser health actually Fraser health is the region just outside of Vancouver saying oh We've scheduled your mother -in -law's maid death. We're coming to pick her up and you can't make this stuff up Like and what was the reaction paper article? Well the family said no No, our mother's son asked for maid never happened and they said that they were denying her her right to die They said two people to the house if you read the story I'm telling you exactly what said in the story They said two people the house to come pick up the mother and they wouldn't let these two people in the house then finally afraid to die Health sent someone over who was a little bit more, how would you say, conciliatory, who actually asked the woman if she actually wanted, MAiD and she said no. But you know, that gets to be pretty extreme if you think about it. It started sounding like Monty Python as crazy as it is. And you started thinking, well, why did this get to this point where somebody would actually be almost pressured because there's some concept that maybe she had asked for me. when in fact she said no we discussed it during that oncology appointment but she says I never asked for it I never asked for it but you see obviously speaking a woman who's terminally ill clearly terminally ill easily qualified there would be no question with the fact that she qualified to be killed the question is is why did you approve somebody who never actually said they asked for it you know in conversations that situation could go very awkwardly especially since the family said that during that conversation she had been partially sedated due to her cancer. So the woman is in a situation where she's not necessarily in her full capabilities considering the fact that because of her cancer they did partially sedate her and I'm not going to argue with that obviously if you're going through some difficulties it's sometimes it's good to have some sedation but then to assume that she had asked for something that she said she never asked for, to me, is pretty crazy. The whole other side, of course, the family is saying, "No, she never asked for it." And they said, "Oh, you're denying her a right to die. That craziness. I'm sorry. That's craziness." You know? Yes. And it's only a matter of time before they catch somebody in a situation like that when they're having a bad day or yes, perhaps they're sedated and they're not capable of making it out. rational decision at that point. And this person essentially gets put down when they didn't want to be. Well, that's exactly because the whole concept of freedom of choice and autonomy is only a sales pitch. Once you start killing, the difficulty is that people become used to the act. Once you have people who have been involved with killing X number of people, it starts becoming just something that that you do and you start, how would you say, defending it as this is a beautiful act? You know, look at it. I help that person out of their misery and out of their suffering. You start justifying it more and more and more and it becomes easier and easier and easier to do it. But look at the other thing that's happening with our healthcare crisis. When I talk about healthcare crisis, I'm sure there's nothing new to will when I'm saying this, that the fact that we are in a healthcare crisis throughout Canada. And yet you have these recent stories out of British culture. There was several of them. There was the one story of the woman that came into the media first. This is what precipitated these other stories. There was a woman in British Columbia who had cancer who was told in British Columbia that there was nothing they could do for her. And what happened is that she then contacted several places in the US who told her that she could be treated. She went to a hospital in the US, received her... her treatment. She not only recovered, she got married and in the article it shows her picture in Hawaii on her honeymoon. Now the whole point of that article was she was urging the British Columbia government to pay her for the cost of her cancer treatment because they weren't offering it. And yet she went somewhere else to get it. But because that article came out, several other articles came out. So there was the one guy in Victoria, B .C. who was approved for cancer treatment. And then he was put in the queue to wait for his treatment. Ten weeks had passed. Ten weeks, no treatment. He was constantly contacting them, saying, you know, when is my chemotherapy going to begin? Like, so it wasn't that he was the silent one that was just being meek and mild. It's just what happened is that they kept to say, oh, you know, well, you know, we're, we're moving you up in the... the line," type thing, and what ended up happening is after 10 weeks they said to him, "Well, your cancer's gotten much worse," and he was saying, "Well, I'm in a lot of pain now," so he then asked for euthanasia. So you see, first of all, the article explaining this guy died by euthanasia because not because he didn't have a treatable medical condition. He did have a treatable medical condition. He was identified as having a treatable cancer, and yet at the same time because he never received the treatment, in the end he decided that euthanasia was the option. So this is a, this is a crazy form of abandonment. But if you go further, now we've seen a few other articles about that same story, because the family's in mourning. The family's saying, well, look, there are other people, they got treatment, and their loved one is alive today, or they went to the U .S. to get treatment, and their loved one is alive today, and my husband's dead. because he didn't get treatment and he was treatable. And there's been a few other stories like that. So it shows you how the healthcare crisis, one of the few things for getting in healthcare reform, one of the few only things we're getting in healthcare reform, it's called euthanasia because dead people don't need treatment. Yes. You know, dead people don't need treatment. And it's extremely cheap. Well, it is fairly cheap. That's exactly it. But you know, it shows you how this is. is abandonment because of the fact that not only did this man wait for his treatment in the end, not receive it, but died instead. But on top of it, he was, this is not about choice. It's not about freedom. You know, now he's in a lot of pain and he's told, "Oh, well, you know, there's probably nothing we can do for you now." Well, thank you very much. You know, I feel a lot better about this. Thank you very much. I think we're going to choose death now. And is that a free choice? This is really important. choice now. We start analyzing this and we realize that that's just a flag they wave to make us feel better about killing people. And Alex said like to personalize or humanize that story just a little bit more. Eight years ago, I had stage four throat cancer. If I had not gotten treatment quickly and I had a 12 and a 14 year old at the time, I'd be dead now. - Absolutely, that's exactly how this cancer spreads. - That's what they're doing to people in this country is because they're delaying these cancer treatments, they're sentencing them to death. And then turning around and offering them maid. - It's absolutely ridiculous. And nobody talked about this when we were first talking about legalizing the nation. Now, some of the people realized that this could be the end result, but especially since we, you know, we are proud of it. ourselves in having universal health care, we pride ourselves in the fact that whether you're rich or poor or you can receive medical treatment, but nonetheless, to receive medical treatment, it better be timely. Yes. Because it doesn't help you if you have to wait for something, especially when you have cancer or some other conditions that require you to receive treatment sooner than later, because obviously speaking, they spread. But now earlier in the interview, Alex, I made reference to my opinion. opinion that these deaths, these MAiD deaths, are actually undercounted because they're not all exactly MAiD deaths. On your website, epcc .ca, there's the story of Aunt Mary who is essentially, she was drugged to death. She was given sedatives. Yeah. And the story of Aunt Mary is particularly upsetting because Aunt Mary was a woman with disabilities. and what happened is that the decision was made for her by the institution that they would not provide her treatment, but instead they gave her sedatives and they dehydrated her to death. So she died by dehydration, which legally would not be considered destination because of course they would say that she died based on the withdrawal of [BLANK _AUDIO] because they defined food and foods as medical treatment. The reality is is that Aunt Mary was killed not because she had some medical condition that wasn't treatable, not because she was in a situation where she had such a terminal condition that maybe this was the best thing for her. No, no, no. It was because of her disability that she ended up being rejected this way and treated this way. This is not new as you know. This is not new. new and that would not be defined as euthanasia. Just so you know when you go to the Quebec situation, you would realize that in Canada we have two euthanasia laws. We have the federal law, we have the Quebec law, which is typical in Canada. We've got one rule in Quebec and one rule in the rest of Canada. That's very typical. Anyway, the situation is in Quebec. Quebec sends out its own report every year. So in the Quebec report you do see several things you don't see in our federal report. One thing is, you see that there's a discrepancy between the numbers. So in our federal report, the federal report only looks at the reports that come in from the doctors who killed you. So those are the euthanasia reports. And so obviously speaking, what does that tell me? It tells me that the person was 72 years old, they had cancer, they had this disease, whoever they're male, female, et cetera, whatever. It tells me these kind of things. But it doesn't tell me much more than that. that. But the Quebec report actually tells me a lot more because they have two reporting systems. So you have what you call a regional reporting system. And then you have the doctor reporting system. And in that the numbers never add up. So in fact, are these under reported euthanasia deaths? And I would say very likely they are. So you have a discrepancy of about 200 deaths in 2020. What's also interesting about the Quebec report is what is not happening outside of Quebec is they actually analyze the reports that come in from the doctors actually look at it. So in 2023, they determined that there was at least at least 20 of the deaths that did not fit the criteria of the law. Now what's interesting about this, deaths that do not fit the criteria of the law, I already explained it that the law is pretty wide open. You have to have an irremediable medical condition. That means you've got 20 people who died by the law. poisons in Quebec in 2023, according to the data. Now remember, it's only 20 that they identified. Okay? There could have been many more. Why am I saying there could be more? Well, obviously, where does that report come from? It comes from the doctor who caused the death. So obviously, the doctor who caused the death is not likely to self -report abuse of the law, right? They're likely to clean up the report a little. bit, you know, because obviously speaking, they don't want any trouble. Nonetheless, out of those 20 cases, none of them, the government actually looked at maybe prosecuting none of them. They never have been considered it. So it shows you that even when you break the law, they don't even worry about that. They don't try and consider that. Anyway, the point, if it is, is the Quebec law shows 20 questionable cases in 2023, and it shows a couple of hundred cases cases that they can't really account for in the numbers. So you get this sort of situation. So is that only happening in Quebec? Are the Quebec doctors the only ones doing this? I would say no. The only difference is Quebec is the only place where they actually do deep investigation to the data. And also they have a dual reporting system so it allows you to uncover possible unreported debts. So what we can be pretty sure of and and as you say, it's probably happening everywhere in Canada, but in Quebec, there was 5 ,211 deaths last year, 6 .8 % of all deaths, that's probably an underreporting. - Yeah, and actually I can give you that other number, but I've got the computer off, it's about 200 difference. So it could be underreporting. We see that all over the world though. I'm assuming there's actually more than that. Now, why do I assume there's more than that? Well, in the Netherlands and Belgium, that's always, you know, Netherlands is around 25 % of all deaths. Belgium, they say about 40 % of the deaths are underreported. And you would say, okay, well, we're not the same as the Netherlands and Belgium. I don't know if we're really different from them anyway, because humans are humans are humans, no matter where they are. But even if you look at the state of Oregon, where they've legalized suicide, they have an underreporting rate of about 20%. So right off the bat, I'm assuming that that 20 % number, which seems to be pretty darn universal, higher in Belgium though. could very well be similar in Canada. But we wouldn't know. And the reason we wouldn't know is that we don't do any investigation. Now, what do I mean? The law requires the doctor to send in a report after the doctor kills you. If the doctor never sent in a report, well outside of Quebec, you would never know. There's no way to know. Because they don't look at that. They don't look at the numbers of, and even they don't look at the numbers, they don't look at the numbers, they don't look at the then so there's going to be a certain percentage of times where the doctor Seeks from the pharmacist the euthanasia kit But the person died before they ever received the death. So therefore there's a certain percentage of the bat of kits that were never used We don't know actually if there was a certain percentage where the kit was used But the doctor didn't report. We don't know we wouldn't know because they don't look into that They don't even investigate that yet. Yeah, we're talking about life and death Just you know, the Netherlands of Belgium every five years do a study and they always try and Look at all deaths and they try and uncover what's actually happening in their countries We've never done anything like that. So it'd be hard for us to know. I can only surmise Now these these deaths you would refer to the kits that the doctors are using. Yeah, but I've read about Basically home kits are those in use in Canada? Home kits well, we don't have okay. We do have assisted suicide But we don't have a lot of assisted suicide for instance in Ontario Since legalization there's only been three assisted suicide deaths and the rest of all been euthanasia So in fact, it's like 99 .99 percent are all euthanasia that euthanasia means that the doctor Killed you the doctor did it it to you. Whereas assisted suicide would mean that the doctor gave you the lethal drugs, but you have to take it yourself. So we do have the option of that, but it's rarely done in Canada. That's more of an American thing. So in the US, they have 10 states that have legalized assisted suicide. None of them have legalized euthanasias. So in that case, you're given the lethal drugs, but you have to take it yourself. So that would be more of the case of what's happening in the US. US. All right. I think we've depressed people enough, Alex. Let's give them some good news. Earlier you were talking about this pushback Bill C62, and we should explain that up until Bill C62, they were looking at bringing in the maid for people who are suffering from depression, mental illness, February of this year, it's not been pushed back potentially because, as you said, it's not a done deal yet. yet to February of 2027, but I believe that you yourself are organizing a demonstration in regards to this. On February 27th, I'm part of the Hill at 11 a .m. Now, why do we choose February 27th? Well, because the Senate has to pass this bill according to the, you know, the timeframe, somewhere around, because they're not going to be in sitting in most of March. So they have to pass this summer around March 1st. 1st or we have a problem and I'm worried that we might end up with a problem that's what I'm worried about so we chose our date based on the possibility of the Senate either nearly passing it or the Senate deciding not to pass it and that therefore we would have a clear constitutional crisis in a sense because partly we would have to then repass the bill and so it back to the Senate again if the Senate rejects it. You know what I'm saying? It becomes a big mess if the Senate decides to push for euthanasia from mental illness. So they're the ones who pushed for it in the first place. You know, what's crazy here is that most Canadians oppose euthanasia from mental illness alone. If you've seen the polls, the polls show that 28 % of Canadians actually support it. Now, 28 % of Canadians support euthanasia for any reason. So, you know, the fact that 28 % support euthanasia support you today. for mental illness alone, like they, they, the same 28 % support euthanasia for children, euthanasia, you name it, they, they think it's a great thing and they're all for it. But the majority of Canadians are opposed to that. They might be in favor of euthanasia as a concept, which is what we've seen in the polling. But even that's actually gone down. If you look at the polls, that number has been dropping since we've been seeing all these crazy stories in Canada, but it's been only dropping by a few percentage points. But nonetheless, But nonetheless, Cades oppose this. I'm concerned that the Senate of Canada is going to rattle the cage a bit. And this has to be passed before March 17th of 2024. If it's not passed by then, then it becomes law anyway, right? Because that's currently the rules. It would become law as of March 17th to 2024, unless this bill 62 passes. So this is where we're at. I'm hoping everything's going to be fine. You know, I'm actually, you may think I'm depressing, but I'm pretty much of an optimist in life to tell you the truth. I actually smile a lot and I say jokes that I shouldn't say. But I mean, the fact of it is I'm hoping that everything's going to be fine, but that doesn't mean it will be fine. And I'm pretty much a realist that way, that things could go the other direction. The other thing about this is this liberal government is not necessarily done with this. The difference is is is that I think they're afraid of an election Because you would say well Why are they actually backing off from certain things in Canada right now? And I think it's got a lot to do with their their fear that they're going to bump into an election soon and anything that's unpopular They want to put it aside until after the next election. So this is one of those things Youth in Asia for mental illness was not popular So if it's not popular then you better delay it until after the next election And so that's why I think they did what they did you know, I really believe that they're not opposed to euthanasia on this loan or they would have actually reversed a lot, which is what we were calling for. Yes. And of course, when you talk about 28 % being in favor of that also means 72 % are opposed to it, at least for certain uses. And we can certainly hope that you'll be successful in getting this Bill C62 passed because the problem, of course, is that if they passed this one, the next one is going to be the mature miners. Well, that's exactly it. Mature miners are definitely on the list to be next. There's no question about it. We need, there's already a recognition that we, we need to start a campaign to inform people that this is the next on the political agenda that you think for mature miners. And people would say, oh, well, you know, 14, 15 year olds, well, think about it, mature miners, not a 14 or a 15 year old is based on an assessment. When you talk about that 11 -year -old girl who's going on 27, you know, that mature kid, this is someone who might get assessed as being a mature minor. Why should I be concerned about this? Well, first of all, the whole question of consent is really questionable, but on top of it, it's your child, and your child is determined to be a mature minor, doesn't need your permission. Your child could be killed without your permission, because that's how the laws work, that if a child is determined to be a mature minor, they don't need your consent to do something. That is the reality, and that's what the law works in Canada. And this is very concerning. There's already a situation where we have a lot of Canadians who are going through PTSD about euthanasia. We get calls, emails from people talking about how their father died, their grandfather father died. I got a call from a... woman not so long ago. This grandfather died by euthanasia and she absolutely loved her grandfather. She's been going through all this, you know, bereavement and mourning about her grandfather's death. So she she got in to see a counselor and the counselor told her for what? You shouldn't be grieving this. You should be happy for him. This is what he wanted. And I'm thinking, excuse me? This is a woman who's grieving that that's of her grandfather and the counselor says oh you should be happy about this well well whatever but the fact of it is is it's natural to grieve the death of your grandfather especially if you're very close to him this is the kind of things that people are going through you have situations of spouses we had a call recently from a woman whose husband had been approved for euthanasia and she was absolutely opposed absolutely opposed she was absolutely shocked that her husband was approved for this. You know, there's a lot of grieving going on about these deaths. This is not as easy as people think, and on top of it, the death isn't as easy as you think either. So, you know, all of this is a bunch of, you know, storylines that have convinced us that killing is a good thing. Killing is not a good thing. Killing is not about, you know, freedom, it's not about autonomy, actually. ends autonomy. And it's certainly not about freedom when somebody else kills you. And that's what euthanasia is. - Now, you've just made reference to the death not being as easy as people think. - Yep. - Can you give us some details on that, Alex? - Well, in Canada, it gets covered up pretty easy. But what is it actually doing, okay? What do they actually do with this? So euthanasia is not what people think. They told us... that the drug actually stops your heart. And now when you're reading the literature about how these drugs actually work, so how does drug A, B, and C actually work? Well, I knew that it was a three -drug system. I knew that already. It's just a reality. They give you one drug that puts you into a type of a coma. So that means, you know, they put you into a sleep. The second drug, what it does, it puts you into a form of crap. paralysis. Why do they paralyze you? The reason is, is that the drug that kills you is so harsh on the body that we knew this from the Netherlands, from studies in the Netherlands, that some of these people would go into convulsions. So in order to prevent the convulsions, they give you a drug that makes you go into a paralysis. What the third drug actually does, though, is it shuts down the lungs. So what happens is your lungs fill with fluid and you die of suffocation. That's what you do to the death by drowning. And then, but the doctors will say, oh, but it was such a beautiful death. Yeah. So yeah, they've put you in coma and they've paralyzed you. And then they tell you it's a beautiful death. Well, if you put me in coma and you paralyze me, yes, I'm going to look pretty, you know, beautiful when you kill me. But guess what? Does that mean my mind has stopped working? Does that mean I'm not suffering? the most horrific two, three, four minutes of death? Of course, it doesn't mean that. How would you know when you put someone into a type of coma and paralysis and then you shut down their lungs at all? It was a beautiful death. You can't move. Like, you know, and of course then your heart stops beating because your lungs have filled with fluid, your lungs have stopped, you know, taking in an error and obviously then your heart starts beating. speeding afterwards. And that's how they do it. Yes. And there's multiple stories, sort of interrupt multiple stories of people who were in coma is not necessarily induced ones, but people who may have had suffered a trauma or whatever. And when they came out of the coma, reported that they could hear everything that was going on around them. Absolutely. So how do we know? Well, the fact of it is that because in the case of euthanasia, there's there's no survival. And how we do it in Canada is that we give the doctor from the pharmacy they get a euthanasia kit. And the kit then has everything in there that they need to kill you with, right? But the kit has a second dose of the drug that makes sure that your lungs are shut down. And so what happens is let's say you didn't die in 15 minutes to give it a second dose. So obviously speaking, speaking the doctor is there, the doctor makes sure you're dead. Dead people of course don't tell stories. So we think that this is all wonderful and beautiful and everything and everyone says oh they look so serene. Yeah yeah you got them in coma and you paralyze them and of course they look pretty darn serene. Yeah yeah all of us do when we're in that state. That's the way we actually are. Let's be brutally honest we don't know actually actually how they're feeling. And there's no way to know because they're all dead. Yes. So what we potentially have here, and of course, I'm not trying to frighten people, but we need to know the facts. It is potentially a situation where somebody is drowning in their own fluids, 15, 20, 25 minutes, and they're aware of what's happening. It could very well be, but it's impossible to discuss it because we've killed them all. The only reason we have even real death data on this is because of capital punishment in the U .S. So when they're doing capital punishment by lethal injection in the U .S., they're using the same drugs. So in Canada, we never do an autopsy after euthanasia, which is don't because we know the cause of death. We don't do autopsy. So this has been the odd autopsy because there was a medical condition that they hadn't they hadn't diagnosed and also because they never diagnosed that they might be looking at an autopsy afterwards after your death to find out whether or not you actually had a medical condition that would have you know Approved your death, but you don't need to be termally only Canada anyway But but they always do an autopsy in the U .S. After capital punishment and they're using the same drugs So when you're looking at the autopsy results you realize how they died they died by their lungs feeling the fluid That's how they died every single time That's that's how they died, they died of suffocation. And so we know that that's true, we know that's exactly what's happening, but we don't have the data outside of the situation because of course you can't do studies on dead people, they can't answer your question. So these people are drowning in their own fluids while the documentation, the sales brochures, are telling people the drug actually stops your heart, but that's not true. And funny enough is that recently, you're seeing from the government and a few of the euthanasia lobby that they're admitting that that's exactly what happens. So if you go to different websites, you know, they're starting to come out and they're admitting that this is what happens. It's the lungs that stop breathing. And then of course, the heart stops beating and they're admitting that, but it's more recent. You know, it's sort of like a little bit too late 'cause, and they don't want you to know about that because obviously, speaking a lot of people think Well, wait a second here You mean I could be suffering for 10 15 20 minutes as possible and it could be a horrific death But you got to tell me it's a beautiful death. Anyway, these these are just realities The other reality of course is let's just look at from the resistive standpoint of it's hard actually to kill a human being It's not easy our bodies are designed to To not be killed easily easily. Uh, you know, even if you consider all these different things about how our lives work and in natural death, we're talking about natural death, how the body shuts down, the body shuts down on stages, right? The body is designed to survive, uh, whether you believe in whatever the body works that way. Anyway, so it's the same thing here. Right. Let's, let's return to some more good news and sort of, um, that right, see, Ralph is Palliative Care Center in Quebec, but unfortunately we have to contrast that with what happened in BC. Well, these are issues around religious rights and everything. So what happened is St. Raphael's Hospice in Quebec has taken, well, the Archdiocese of Montreal, which means, oh, you must be religious if you're talking about the Archdiocese of Montreal. Now, I'm just telling you the story of what's going on. The Archdiocese of Montreal has taken the Quebec government court. court because the Quebec government in June of last year has Bill 11, which required all palliative care institutions to provide youth in Asia. Now here's the thing, the original law in Quebec allowed institutions to decide for themselves whether or not they'd be providing youth in Asia. So that means not every hospital, not every palliative care institution in Quebec were providing youth in Asia and then they changed the law in June of last year. saying they all must. But St. Raphael's Hospice is a sort of interesting situation because in 2019 the Archdiocese of Montreal signed a contract. This was their land, this was their building, this was a church they had closed and they had it converted into a palliative care center and so they had signed a contract for 100 years allowing that land to be converted into a palliative care center. that building to be used for $1 a year and in turn there'd be no euthanasia there. So this was a contract signed in 2019 which has now been superseded by Bill 11 in 2023. So the Archdiocese of Montreal is saying no, this is St. Raphael's hospice is owned by us. The land is owned by us. The building is owned by us. We've put in a huge amount of money into this. and you signed a contract with us that we would not have to provide euthanasia for 100 years. So we'll see what the courts do with that. But in Quebec, I mean, in British Columbia, it's also interesting because you had the whole story in British Columbia of St. Paul's hospital, you know, St. Paul's Hospital, the major hospital in Vancouver, and they refuse, of course, to provide euthanasia. There was a complaint against them last summer of a woman who was in palliative care Who would request euthanasia and they refused to do it, but instead they transferred her to another Location where she died by euthanasia. So there was no issue of oh, you know, they locked her up between bars or something like that No, that didn't happen. What it was they transferred her They said well, we're not doing that. We don't we don't participate in that But we will transfer you somewhere because obviously it's your right to be transferred and she did die by euthanasia so this became a big battle to try and force st paul's hospital to do euthanasia so what happened is the first columbia government expropriated a piece of land that was beside st paul's hospital that was owned by st paul's hospital it's owned by uh is it called covenant health or something like that it's owned by the health care institution and they expropriated that land and now the they're building a killing center right beside the Catholic hospital that will do euthanasia for all of the city of Vancouver, but obviously it'll be doing euthanasia for people in St. Paul's Hospital who of course are being told, "Well, we don't do it here." Well, they're going to simply be wheeled across the street or actually they're even going to have a covered connector to the hospital in order to allow them easy access to the euthanasia center. This is ridiculous. And actually, if you go one step further, there's an image that was done by Amy Hasbrook, who's a disability activist in Quebec. And she did this image showing a building that said assisted suicide center. And on the other side is a suicide prevention center. And there was a wheelchair ramp going into the assisted suicide center. center, but there were stairs going up into the suicide prevention center. So obviously speaking, assisted suicide was being oriented towards the people in the wheelchair, whereas the suicide prevention was not, because they needed to go up the stairs, and of course they couldn't. And this is what you're seeing actually with the Constance of the St. Paul's Hospital. They're going to make it so accessible, but you know, you have to go one step further. They're going to expropriate it. land the government of BC didn't own that land but they expropriated because we don't have property rights in Canada so they stole the land and they're building a killing center right there now let's go one step further they're spending millions of dollars to build this killing center right beside the Catholic hospital when you have the same province that have had all these stories of people who couldn't get cancer treatment they can't get cancer treatment so they're dying by euthanasia And these are real stories. These are not made up stories. These are real stories in the newspaper. You have real families who are mourning this situation. But we're going to spend millions of dollars on our euthanasia center built right beside the Catholic hospital because the Catholic hospital won't kill you. Right. And this is the same province where cancer treatment has gotten so bad that they're shipping people to Washington State for treatment because they're not treating them. Absolutely. Well, that's what they're doing now. They've realized that they've backlog on the treatment has gotten so bad, and you know, you can only kill so many people about euthanasia before some people actually get upset about it, which is what's happening. And so yes, they're shipping them to Washington state. And then we talk about our universal healthcare. Oh, we're so much better than the U .S. when in fact, we're having to use Washington state's healthcare, which exists. You know, we can send them to Washington state, but we can't do it ourselves. One of the reasons also is we've had had doctors leaving Canada. We've had doctors retiring in Canada. One of the reasons they're leaving and retiring from Canada is because of all this euthanasia stuff. We've had excellent, excellent doctors who refuse to kill you. They just think that's wrong. We're not going to do that. And some of them who are getting near retirement are saying, "Well, I'm going to retire early because I don't need the crap that I'm being given by the medical societies telling me I have to participate in euthanasia." euthanasia well I'm not gonna participate I'm not gonna kill someone I'm not gonna do it so they're retiring early we've had doctors quite a few of them leave Canada they leave our country because they're being told they have to do something that they don't believe in yet at the same time you know they're going to the US where there's conscience rights for them where they don't have to participate in anything that they believe is morally wrong they don't have to do something that they're absolutely opposed to if you think about this, if you believe it's wrong to kill somebody and you're a doctor, I'm not going to give you euthanasia, I'm not going to participate in this, I don't believe it's wrong to kill you, then being told you have to send that person to the killer, which is what they're being told, because they're told that you don't have to kill someone, but you have to send them, you have to refer them to the killer. Well, it's not the same sort of idea. And that's exactly what they're saying, and they're saying I'm not. not gonna kill you I'm not gonna send you to the killer I'm not gonna do this in fact I'm gonna leave your country because I can as a medical physician I have a license and my license can be recognized in the other country I was just in November at a at a Christmas party and a friend of mine who was a physician he lives lived near us it was at the party he says Alex did you hear the good news and I said oh what's the good news he says well my medical license has now been accepted in Ohio He says, "I'm moving to Ohio. As of January 1st, I'll be a full -time physician in Ohio." So, Ontario loses a physician who was in his 40s. Why? Because he doesn't want to have to be pressured any longer by the Ontario College of Physicians to do referrals and things like that when he believes it's absolutely wrong. So, Ohio gains a young doctor, we lose him. And then they say, "Oh, why do you have a lack of family physicians? Why there's so many people don't have a family doctor? Well, you've caused your own problem, you know You made it impossible for them to practice medicine in your own province such as BC or Ontario and a bunch of them said I'm not putting up with this. I'm leaving Yes, and you've made reference for the problem more than once to Canada's the socialized healthcare system Which people have been told is one of the best in the world. Well, that's very outdated information I believe it was out year There was a study done on this and of the C -30 nations Canada's health care ranked near the bottom Because they're absolutely destroying our health care system Absolutely. That's exactly what's happening. Yes, bending millions and millions of dollars to promote MAiD to kill people Well, you know as I say when I referred to it I wasn't tongue -in -cheek when I called it the only real health care reform we've had in Canada is euthanasia. It's true true. Like all the health care reform we've been talking about has been to dump more money into a system that is failing. And I have no problem with putting money into a system that's working. I have no problem with trying to make the system work. I have a problem when you what you're saying is the only real effective thing we've actually done in the last 20 years to less than our waiting periods is to kill people. We've approved euthanasia. Obviously, a dead people aren't in waiting lines for treatment. Dead people don't need treatment. And obviously, that is going to free up the system a bit. The only problem with this is, well, A, we're killing people. B, it's really abandoning people. But thirdly, a bunch of your physicians aren't happy about it and have left. And then you start thinking, oh, how could this be? Well, you created the problem. You created the problem. Not all doctors think it's a good idea to do euthanasia and to kill people. A lot of them think it's a crazy idea and they won't do it. And a lot of them have left. - Yes. - Or retired. - Yes. - A lot of them retired. I was speaking recently in a small town in Northern Ontario and after my talk, this doctor comes up to me and says, "Alex, I'm 63 years old "and I'm right now shutting down my business. "I'm retiring." And he said, "The reason is not because I wanted to retire. "I had no... no plans to retire. I'm healthy. I'm doing well. I've got no problem with being a physician. My issue is I don't want to be going before some tribunal of the College of Physicians of Ontario to be told I have to do these referrals, but I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to refer people for euthanasia, and I'm not going to do it." And he says, "I don't need the money, and I don't need the aggravation. I'm retiring." Well, what happens when you have a 63 -year -old doctor who's perfectly healthy? Most doctors continue to, they're around 70 on average, you know, he's obviously got a whole bunch of patients who now lose their doctor. What do you do then? Well, not just lose their doctor, but end up having to go to one who's on board with the MAiD policies. That's exactly. And I'm looking for doctors not willing to kill me. I can't trust doctors who would be thinking it's okay to kill me. Nothing personal. I just, you know, it's... you have certain values like that, then I don't think you're trustworthy. That's my feeling. If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. Now, for people who are looking for more information, you have quite a number of resources at your website at epcc .ca, starting with a number of petitions. Well, if you come to epcc .ca, you can go to the petition where you have right now the petition on euthanasia for mental illness that's up. up but on you have to go to the petition section but the best way to actually find information. So first of all becoming a member it's easy to become a member of the organization just go to epcc .ca and hit the membership button and you can become a member or a group member. The other thing is is that we have a blog so the largest source of information on this topic in the world is on our blog and you just click on the blog button that takes you to the blog and you'll notice that we're have well over 5 ,400 articles that have been published all over the years and uh and the nice thing about it is if you're wanting to find out more information about what's going on all those articles linked to the original articles so let's say uh there was something printed in the national post about something you hit the link and it brings you to the national post article and so you know it's it's an amazing source of information but the other thing is it tells you the truth the other side wants you to think that this is something about freedom, choice, and autonomy. That's just a lie. It's always been a lie because it's not freedom when someone kills me. There is no choice here when you're not provided health care options. There's no choice. It's not about choice. What about people with disabilities? What about people in poverty? Object poverty? What about the homeless? Think about this. Is this all about choice when you're living in poverty and you have no idea where your next person is. is coming from and yet You have a disability. So now you qualify. When did that become a post -freedom? No, it became a bit of abandonment We have cultural abandonment going on. Anyway, come to the blog look at the website become a member or just email me at info @epcc .ca info @epcc .ca will add you to the email list and keep you up to date You need to know the truth before you can make a difference in this country Yes, and speaking of your blog you've got some excellent statistics on your site You said 1 .1 million hits last year on 370 articles But you also commented that since the passing of Bill C11 Traffic's been dropping off. Oh Yeah, that's very interesting indeed you say that because that's a whole other issue about freedom. Yeah, so when the government passed Bill C11 Obviously they curved Our ability to get information out so so one of the biggest sources of getting information out is through things like Facebook and I guess it's called Meta or something now, and you know, the social media. But the social media is all curtailed. In fact, it's a funny situation because people outside of Canada now say they can't find their stuff on social media. People in Canada are having a hard time finding it. It's all been blocked because it's news. Even though it's it's written, a lot of the articles written by me, it's considered news so therefore it's being blocked. So people have a hard time seeing these articles or getting these articles and so the number of hits have been dropping. Now this month has been a little bit better. I think it has to do with the fact that there's a lot of university research going on. This is you know January and people preparing things and everything, or February I mean now, so people preparing for their their their essays and things and They're starting to look for information. They're finding it on the blog and they're hitting it But I mean the numbers just dropped right off after Bill C11. It's it's a ridiculous thing I'm not the only one who's experienced that Lots of nonprofits have experienced exactly the same thing where it became harder for Average people just to get the information from you because the government decided to wait into waters that it didn't belong Yes - Yes. Now, you yourself are doing a very interesting fundraiser in just a few days. - Oh, you're talking about my 30K runs? I was talking about? - Yes. - Yeah, we're gonna be running the Hamilton around the Bay again, a 30K run. And as you might realize that that's the oldest, the oldest continuous run in North America, the Hamilton around the Bay. And it's, I have to watch my French. It's, it's... it's a heck of a run because there's a lot of a lot of hills and Hamilton It's a horrific thing to go through. It's not a marathon, but it's still horrific because it's up and down hills And I don't know what I was talking about little little, you know bumpy hills. I'm down with big hills like crazy Oh, so yes, yeah I did that last year of the year before and I think this might be my last year doing it I don't know I'm getting older, you know, so it's getting very hard on the old body to do that kind of thing Well, I take my hat off to Alex I've been a fitness not my whole life, but I'm a gym rat and I'll freely admit I am the worst person in the world for any kind of endurance exercise. I think the longest distance of everyone in my life was 10K. I can't imagine running 30 kilometers, so absolutely cool to do for that. Training for it, yeah. I was just speaking in Rome, so I was in Italy and I ended up doing several long distance runs while I was there just because I if you're training for 30K, you better train 'cause it's not gonna be easy. That's for sure. But anyway, yes, that's a fundraiser. And there's other fundraisers that we're involved in. But the fact of it is, is that the biggest thing we need to do to be successful is we need more people on board. We need more donors, more members, more people who are actually speaking out. 'Cause you know, silence is not our friend. A silence does not help us in any way. The people who are, you know, know, on the whole side of the other spectrum on these issues, you think there's nothing wrong with killing people, they're very loud, they pressure, they're getting money from the government even, they're getting huge money from the government. We never talked about that one either, but they're getting massive money. The government is giving well over three million a year to this euthanasia physicians group. The euthanasia lobby is just incredibly connected by their their finances that the government wants to give them. We don't get that kind of money. We don't get any money actually from the government. We get money from moms and pops who give us 50 bucks, 25 bucks, 100 bucks or whatever they give us out of the goodness of their heart and we're thankful for every donation but the fact is that's how we exist. Right. While the government is spending millions and millions of dollars to promote this and to push it on people who don't need it and don't want it. That's exactly what I'm paying for all these May team teams in the hospital, going through a difficult time and then having someone come to your room, knock on the door and say, "Oh, by the way, we're the maid team. We're coming here to help kill you." Especially, there's a lot of people who have no idea what they're actually talking about at first. Right. Honestly. Honestly, if you do the polling, a lot of people have no idea what this term "mate" means and then suddenly they're being approved to be killed and then they might even wake up to it a bit and they're thinking, "Why me that is the best thing for me if the doctors think so. Maybe it's a good thing for me It's a crazy idea. It's all crazy and we're killing people like this. Yes It ought to be illegal in this country to even suggest it to someone. I Agree without a question. Yeah, I'd like to finish up by talking briefly about Tyler Dunlop and his book Yeah, a book I would planning to read I haven't been able to yet Can you give our viewers a bit of an overview? - Well, Tyler Dunlop in January of 2023 was seeking death by maid, by euthanasia. He was homeless, living in Aurelia. He felt hopeless. He felt that there was no purpose in his life. He had been homeless for not continuous, but for much of the previous eight years. And, um, he... He saw death as his way out of all this Tyler also had certain mental health issues Which are a sad reality a lot of people go through mental health issues So a lot of people need our support and our help. We actually that's all another issue Do we actually provide real treatment in Canada like enough treatment for people with mental health issues? No, we don't know We don't I wish we did because there's a lot of people who need help, but nonetheless um but a friend of the euthanasia prevention coalition became a friend of Tyler's and took him in and started helping him out, got him off the street, gave him a place to be, gave him hope, helped him feel hope. So Tyler wrote a book, you know, from hopelessness to hope, and Tyler's alive today, happy to be alive today, because someone actually cared about him. Somebody actually took him in, somebody actually gave him home. home, helped him with, you know, others around him were supportive of him. So, you know, it's easy to reject someone. It's easy to abandon somebody. It's easy to do these things, but actually take somebody in and care for them and to help them become clean and, I mean, clean not only physically, but clean psychologically, emotionally. Well, that's a great gift to Tyler. So, Tyler wrote a book about it, and it's a great book. book because Tyler went to a lot of hell that he was in Vancouver's you know Down and out area for quite a while. He's he's been through much of Canada that way Aurelia Was his he thought the last place he would be that he would he would die there But he's happened to be alive and and I'm thankful for that But he's the prime example what needs to happen. You need a caring culture not a killing culture You need someone who actually said you know, you're important to me. Your life is important to me, I'll help you. And the government isn't doing that. So, you know, in this case, this man named Tim helped him out. And I'm very thankful to people like Tim, who actually put themselves in line to help somebody else. You know, that's what it takes sometimes. Right. And folks, the book can be purchased at epcc .ca. You can find the book in the shop there. Alex, thank you so much. much for the time, for this interview, for the work you're doing with the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition and for helping to raise awareness and get people talking about this because as you and I have discussed, if we allow this to continue, they're coming after our children next. Absolutely. And as I'm going to say, well, you probably have a lot of listeners or people watching this, you may actually have support for Euthanasia. Let me tell you, we all fear, we all human beings, we all fear, but the constant of someone actually killing you, you should fear that even more. Thank you, Alex.