(0:00 - 1:11) In Canada there are 16 vaccines licenced for use in infancy. An 18-month-old baby can receive up to 43 doses of 16 vaccines if doses during pregnancy are included. New Brunswick, the Northwest Territories, and Nunavut inject babies on the first day of life with the Hep B vaccine, which contains high levels of aluminium. And virtually all newborns are injected with vitamin K, which may also contain aluminium. 24 common vaccines include aluminium. Mercury, which is also found in many vaccines, including seasonal flu vaccines, is the most toxic non-radioactive element known to man. It's found in the MMR vaccines that, we're told, don't cause autism, and yet rates of autism have increased in direct proportion to increasing use of vaccines which contain mercury and other heavy metals. Both mercury and aluminium are so toxic that if you ever suggested to a doctor that you wanted to be injected with them, they would be horrified. Unless, of course, they're included in a vaccine. (1:13 - 2:56) All of the above information I've just told you, and much more, can be found in the excellent 2024 book, A New Parent's Guide to Understanding Vaccination and Forming Choice through Education, written by Ted Kuntz, President of Vaccine Choice Canada. Ted joins me today to discuss his own heartbreaking experience with his son Josh, who passed away in 2017 at the age of 31 after spending his entire life severely disabled following a DPT vaccination when he was 5 months old. Ted's involvement with Vaccine Choice Canada, and the many challenges we still face in bringing to Canadians informed consent, the simple right to be fully informed of potential dangers before allowing themselves or their children to be injected with toxic substances which can, and do, lead to tragic, life-altering consequences. Ted, welcome to the show. Well, thanks. Thanks for inviting me. I've been looking forward to this conversation with you for some time. As have I. I've got to be honest, Ted, you've been on my list of people I've wanted to interview forever. You get busy, and it's like, well, you're always there. And so, I confess, I just started putting it off, and then we ran into each other finally in person at the Justice Centre recently. And so, yes, it's a real pleasure to finally be able to talk to you and to bring this information to the viewers because it is such important information. Now, some of our viewers, my viewers, will certainly know who you are, the founder of Vaccine Choice Canada, but I know that a lot of them don't know your personal story and where it all started. (2:57 - 4:54) Would you please tell us about your son, Josh? Yeah, I'm glad to do that. Thanks for asking. But I need to, I'm not the founder of Vaccine Choice Canada. It existed long before I became aware of it. So, I should probably make that correction. It began in 1982, and it was a group of parents that responded to the new legislation that was introduced in Ontario in 1982 that required vaccine mandates for kids to go to public school. And the initial legislation had no provision for personal belief or religious exemptions. And so, that group lobbied the Ontario government for two years, and in 1984, they were successful in having personal belief and religious exemptions included in the Childhood Immunisation Act in Ontario. And so, I... Can I jump in there too? Because you've just told me something that I didn't know, something that some of my viewers didn't either. There's been a lot of talk in the past few years about mandatory vaccines. So, if I understand what you're telling me, this isn't new, that when they first did this in Ontario years ago, those vaccines were essentially mandatory for children. That's right. That's right. There was no provision to opt out of vaccination if you wanted your child to go to public school. And the ironic thing is, it was introduced in 1982, the same year as our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And so, the same time that they're introducing a charter that talks about things like bodily sovereignty and individual rights and freedoms, they introduce legislation that made the vaccination of your child mandatory. And the challenge today, well, is that if you were to survey most parents in Ontario, actually most parents in Canada, they believe their children are required to be vaccinated in order to go to school. They don't promote the fact that exemptions, legal exemptions exist. (4:54 - 5:20) And the other fact that most parents don't know in Canada is there's only two provinces that have vaccine mandates. That's Ontario and New Brunswick. Every other province, a simple no thank you is sufficient. But again, if you were to survey parents, they wouldn't know that. Right. And you do have the Vaccine Choice Canada website have information on exemptions and the forms and all of that for them so people can go there to get that. (5:21 - 6:10) So, that brings us to Josh. And thank you for correcting me about the founder of VCC. I honestly thought you were. So, if I didn't know that, I'm sure some of the viewers didn't know that either. Yeah. And I'm often referred to as the founder and I need to make that correction because there was just a dedicated group of parents that really were the forefront of this 43 years ago. And they need to be honoured. And I think at some point they need to be celebrated for the work that they've done to address the harms of vaccine injury in this country. Yes. But now we can talk about Josh. That was something that happened almost 50 years ago, if I'm doing the math right. Josh was born in 1984 and he reacted to his very first vaccine shot, which was the DPT shot. (6:12 - 12:52) And immediately, we saw a change in our son. And what I often say when I describe Josh's journey is that the son that we brought home from the doctor's office that day was not the same child we took to the doctor's office. We had a changed child. And he went from being a very content, happy baby, easily breastfed. We were absolutely delighted at the health of this child to a very discontent baby that was struggling, having difficulty sleeping. We actually took him to the doctor twice in the next two weeks to say, there's something wrong. And it happened right after the vaccine shot. And, of course, that was immediately dismissed. There's nothing to worry about. Vaccines are safe and effective. And we were just literally sent home. And on day 21, after the vaccine shot, Josh had his first grand mal seizure. And it was about 25 minutes long. And I actually didn't know what it was. I didn't know. All of a sudden, my son is convulsing. He's stiff. He's turning blue. And I just panicked. We called the ambulance to come and take him to the hospital. And they checked him over. And they said he probably had a febrile seizure, nothing to worry about. Sometimes this happens. And they sent us home. And I just thought, great, everything's OK. But a month later, he had a second grand mal seizure. And again, it was about 25 minutes long. And that's probably that that scared me more than the first one, because the first one, I didn't really know what was happening. The second one, I realised there's something significantly wrong with my son. And the journey with Josh was that he continued to seize on a monthly basis. And then the seizures began to increase in frequency. And by the time he was four, he was seizing 12 to 15 times a day. And each of those seizures were 15 to 20 minutes long. And we literally lived out of Children's Hospital in Vancouver for the first five years of his life. We had made a decision never to leave him alone. So his mom would take him or would be with him during the day in the hospital. And then I would be at work. And then I would drive straight from work to Vancouver Children's Hospital. And I would spend the night with him, much to the dismay and resistance of the hospital. They did not want me there. And and then I would shower at the hospital and I would drive to work the next day. And so I wasn't in my own home for weeks at a time. It was a gruelling time. And then about the time that Josh was five, the chief neurologist took me aside one day and he said, please don't bring your son back to hospital. And I said, why not? And he said, we can't do anything for your son. And they had literally tried everything. We tried every anti-seizure medication. We tried some experimental medications. We even did some things. I look back and I'm horrified by what I allowed to happen to my son. One of the things they did is they inserted a device into his chest cavity. It's called the vagus nerve stimulator. And there's a vagus nerve that runs up the neck and they wrap wires around that vagus nerve. And that pack that was embedded into his chest sends off a charge like every 30 seconds. And somehow the idea is getting the brain used to unusual electrical activity or some such theory. And we we allowed that to happen for about a year before we finally insisted that they turn the device off. But it was it was a ugly, ugly time. I was struggling. I was in despair. I was angry. I was scared. I thought my son would die in front of my eyes. And so and I don't wish that for any parent. The hospital completely denied it had anything to do with vaccines. But what was interesting is that I was a graduate student at the University of British Columbia at the time, and so I had access to the medical library. So I did my own research. And what I discovered was there were all kinds of studies that showed that the DPT shot was causing seizure disorders and death in infants. And that product was eventually removed from the market in Canada because of the neurological injury. And yet, you know, supposedly the best doctors in child care in Canada were telling me it had nothing to do with the vaccine. And that was really when I began to lose my confidence in our medical system. Now, you've taken us up to the point where Josh was five years of age, where you've been told, don't bring him back to the hospital because we can't help. Well, at the same time, they're saying it had nothing to do with the vaccines. So where did that leave you in terms of support for your son? Was there any assistance from the government? Well, there was, but in terms of his health care, well, at that point, I mean, I was like most people is that I believe that the only legitimate medicine was the one that you got from your doctor from your hospital. But I was unwilling to just accept defeat. And so I sought out some alternative health care. And I found a naturopath in Surrey who agreed to work with my son. And she met with us and did some testing on him. And then the very first thing that she said was, you know, your son is vaccine injured, do you? And I said, well, that's always been what I've been suspecting, but it's always been denied. And she said, there's no doubt in my mind that your son is vaccine injured. So she began to do a detox protocol to remove some of the heavy metals in the system. She had tested for heavy metals, which were extremely high. She used acupuncture, homoeopathic remedies, herbal remedies. And over the next three years, she reduced the amount of seizing and Josh from, as I said, he was seizing 12 to 15 a day, 15 to 20 minutes long to three to four times a month. And the seizures were 30 to 60 seconds. And so a phenomenal increase in his health. And we would go back to Children's Hospital in Vancouver every year for an annual checkup. And they saw the improvement in Josh's condition. And they were just as delighted as we were because they had gotten to know Josh and our family through those five years of struggle. And I said to them, would you like to know what we're doing? And they said, yeah, tell us. And so I started to explain the protocols that were the detoxification, the acupuncture, et cetera. And they stopped me almost immediately. And they said, we're not interested in that kind of nonsense. You're wasting our time. (12:53 - 13:41) And they literally left the room. And I said to them before they left, I said, but you see the improvement in Josh's condition. How do you think that happened? And their answer was, oh, he would have gotten better anyways. And that's when I really saw the arrogance and the lack of humility of our medical system that they are so captured by their ideology that they can't even see an improvement that's in front of their eyes. They're not open and receptive getting information on how to do more of that or to learn from it. Is there any doubt in your mind, Ted, that the improvement in Josh, at least in terms of the reduction in seizures, was a result of clearing the heavy metals out of his body? No doubt in my mind. (13:42 - 14:45) You know, it doesn't take an MD or a research scientist to figure it out. When you see your son's condition improve dramatically as a result of... Those were the only changes we made during that period of time. No other changes, medication. And for Vancouver Children's Hospital to dismiss it was, again, it was deeply disturbing to realise how captured our system is by their ideology, as opposed to trying to figure out what really works, what improves health of our children. It is truly shocking, I would say, because, as you note in your book, those DPT vaccines contain mercury, which is the most toxic non-radioactive substance known to man. We know that it crosses the blood brain barrier, which is what causes the neurological damage. And if you went to any doctor and you said, oh, should I be injecting myself with mercury, they would be horrified. And yet, if it's included in the vaccine, that's fine. And the result of the damage had nothing to do with the vaccine. (14:45 - 14:48) That's right. That's right. It's mind-boggling. (14:49 - 16:54) Well, and the other thing that I learned, Will, is that, so you're aware that in 1986, the U.S. Congress gave vaccine manufacturers legal immunity for any injury and death caused by their products. And the reason they did that is because there were so many lawsuits from the DPT vaccine, they told Congress that they would go out of business. And rather than just say, well, if you're making a bad product, you should go out of business, they rescued them and then gave them this legal and financial immunity for harm, which no other manufacturer of any other product enjoys. And to me, it has dramatically changed our medical care, particularly for our children and our infants, because it's given the pharmaceutical industry carte blanche. I mean, they literally are given free will, a free pass to harm and injure our children with no consequences. Even more nefarious, and I'm sure you know this, but I know a lot of the viewers don't, the entire medical system, medical college system was reworked in the early 1900s at the behest of John Rockefeller for the purpose of profit so that they could turn these colleges into schools to basically turn doctors into drug pushers for big pharma. And then they turn around and they get indemnity against the damage that it's causing. And apparently, they've been very successful in brainwashing these doctors, because as we just discussed, if you said to a doctor, should I inject myself with mercury? Well, absolutely not. Well, unless, of course, it's in a vaccine. Unreal. Well, and it is unreal. I mean, and that's what we're trying to bring awareness to young parents is don't, you know, what we know is that they vaccinate on belief, a belief or a faith that by doing this, their child will be protected in some way. But if you ask those parents, what evidence do you have of that? The answer is none. They don't have evidence. So what's pretty clear to me is vaccination is a religion. It's faith-based. It's not evidence-based. It's not a scientific practise. (16:55 - 18:33) You know, what we can talk about is that no vaccine on the childhood schedule has been proven safe by being tested against a true placebo. I mean, that should be illegal. And the more you look into this, the more confusing it is, is that we have allowed this really it's a barbaric practise. As you said, if you were to take the ingredients that are in vaccines and mix it into your child's pablum and spoon feed them, you would be put in jail. You would be charged criminally. And yet when we put this magic word on it, we call those same ingredients a vaccine and we inject it into the bodies of our infants. And somehow that's good medical care. And as a matter of fact, if you don't do it, you know, we might take your children away. We won't let you attend school in some provinces in this country. And then it goes on with what we saw with COVID. We will deprive you of having a livelihood, of having a career if you don't participate in this unscientific, immoral experiment. And, you know, that's even being kind to call it an experiment. To me, it is actually a criminal behaviour is what we're witnessing. Absolutely. I agree. But I want to discuss that some more further in a bit, Ted, but I want to know a little bit more about your son, Josh, because you've told us up to the age of five and the seizures and how there was thankfully an improvement there. But I believe he was also cognitively impaired, was he not? Oh, he was severely impaired. You know, that amount of seizing caused neurological injury. (18:34 - 18:55) And so he required 24 hour care. He could never be left alone. And part of it was because he could seize at any moment. So you didn't treat him as in any way as a normal child. So, you know, you asked about government services. We fought hard to have him included in his neighbourhood school. (18:56 - 20:38) He was actually the first child with disabilities in his neighbourhood school and they supplied a one-on-one aide. So Josh had an aide with him every minute of every day that he was in school right up until age 18. I mean, can you imagine the cost of that? I look at the cost of that kind of support. I look at the cost of the amount of hospitalisation that Josh experienced in Children's Hospital. I mean, this child costs our system millions of dollars easily. And so the harm that happens to society isn't just the harming and killing of children. It's the financial cost is significant. And we look now with autism being in the neighbourhood of one in 31, those stats are actually old stats as well. I mean, in California, they're talking about one in 19, one in 18 of our children diagnosed with autism. And the child with severe autism, they estimate that the lifetime cost of care is five million dollars per child. And so we're going to bankrupt our countries because of the harm that we're doing to our children. But yeah, let's get back to Josh. So he required 24-hour care. He taught me so much about acceptance and making peace and honouring the life that he had because, like I said, I spent a lot of time being angry and scared, and I finally had to make peace with that. But he passed away in 2017 in his sleep and the coroner, you know, was of dipping and it was because of seizure. (20:40 - 23:27) But it was a very difficult body for him to be in. And so it was, in some ways, it was a blessing for him to finally make his journey. And what was his quality of life from, you know, you talked about going through school. He had an aide, so he did go to school, which was fortunate. He sadly passes away at the age of 42. What was his quality of life over those years, Ted? He passed away. He was 31 when he passed away. What was his quality of life? You know, he was an amazingly resilient child. In between the seizures, he could be a very happy and content child. But he couldn't participate in the normal activities of life. You know, his greatest joy was being in his wheelchair and going for walks. I guess he just required 24 hour care, like he could never be left unattended. So there was no independence for him. There was no time that his life was going to be even remotely close to normal. Ted, I really appreciate your honesty, your candour in talking about your son. I know it's going to be a very difficult subject, but I really want the viewers to understand the impact, not just on the child, but on the family of what these vaccine injuries are doing. So I have a couple more questions. Was Josh verbal? Were you able to talk with him? He had a limited vocabulary. He probably had the vocabulary of about a two and a half or a three year old. And so there were some language there, maybe 40 or 50 words. I mean, he was good at, you learn how to read him, how to read his moods and what you required. But yes, it was very difficult, very difficult. And for those 31 years of his life, were you and your wife caring for him the whole time? Well, we had to make a decision at one point. His care was extremely challenging for us as a couple and as a family. And I have a stepdaughter who's five years older than Josh. And one of the things that I say is that Josh really, like his seizures really took off when he was four. And so there was no time, when Josh is seizing 12 to 15 times a day, there's no time to attend to the normal needs of a nine year old. And so her name is Lana. She really got lost in all of that. And so our family suffered greatly. My wife and I I said, at some point, we have to find someone else to care for him. He was becoming too challenging for us. There were times that he was physically aggressive and he was hurting his mom. (23:28 - 24:52) And that was, you know, that's the challenge that all families with a severe child with disability faces is who will take care of my son and my daughter when I'm no longer able to? Either because the care is too demanding or because the parents, I mean, I know parents in their 60s and 70s are caring for adult children with disabilities. It's hard to allow someone else to care for your disabled child because you've invested so much of your life into keeping them alive. We were very fortunate as the aide that cared for Josh through most of his years in school, particularly in high school. He came to us one day and he said, I've got some bad news for you. And the bad news is that we're going to move. We were living in the Vancouver area at the time and their plan was to move to Vancouver Island. And then the next words out of his mouth was, and I'm wondering if he would let Josh come and live with us. Because their family had so, Josh had become a part of their life. And not only was he the, you know, the child support in school, but he often did after school care for us. He would bring Josh home or bring him to his house and care for Josh until his mom and I got home from work. And so Josh was a part of their family. And that's how Josh eventually left home out of our day-to-day care. (24:53 - 26:55) All right. So we've talked about the emotional impact, the impact on your family. What about the financial cost, Ted? I mean, obviously it costs money to raise any child. You know, there's various estimates of what that is, but what would you estimate was the additional cost in raising Josh? You know, well, I've never put much thought into how much that was, but for, you know, for example, Josh's mom was unable to work for those first five years of Josh's life because like I said, he always needed to be cared for. He could never be left alone. We had him in daycare, but that was often very challenging for daycare as well. So, you know, there's at least five years of her career that were put on hold. You know, I just think about all of the alternative health care costs were borne by us. You know, our governments don't cover any of that. They'll cover prescription drugs and surgeries and all kinds of things, but not the kind of medical care that actually made a difference. Yeah, you know. And it's the impact. The other ways that it impacts is it's hard on your other relationships with family and friends. I mean, it was hard for families, you know, like for example, my mother would come and visit, but it was so painful for her to watch my pain and Josh's pain that she said, I can't, it's too hard to come and visit. And so you lose families, you lose friends. It becomes a very isolating time. I got to ask one more question, Ted, because it's, I'm very fortunate to have two healthy kids that didn't have any issues. And I said to my wife before our children were born, that I felt I was the kind of person who could deal with a child who had a physical disability, but a cognitive disability, I would have had a very hard time with. (26:55 - 28:51) And so your story perhaps resonates with me because of that. Was there some part of you with these relatives and friends who didn't want to come and visit anymore because they said, well, it's just too hard to watch. I wanted to turn back to them and say, well, if you think it's hard to watch, try living it. Yeah, there's no doubt that that was part of my anger during those early years that Josh was like when his care was so difficult. You feel abandoned, you feel abandoned by your family and friends, you feel abandoned by the medical system. Yeah, it was not an easy journey. And again, maybe I'll share the story at will, when I finally made a change is that Josh and I had this little father-son ritual that when I would come home from work and drive the car up the driveway, which was alongside of the house and park in our carport, Josh would hear the sound of my car and he would know that dad was home. So if he was well enough, he would go to the window that looked out into the carport. And when I got out of the car, I would see his face in the window. And that was always such a joy for me. But as he got sicker and sicker, the number of times that Josh was in that window got fewer and fewer. And so every day that I came home from work, as I was getting closer to the house, this angst would be in my belly about, you know, will Josh be in the window today? Or, you know, when he wasn't in the window, it's often because he was seizing and he'd come into a house that was in chaos. And on this particular day, he was in the window. And I remember just, you know, he had a grin from ear to ear and he yelled, Hi, dad. And I said, Hi, Josh. But I did something different that day. I was so happy to see him. I just stood outside of that window and I looked at him as like I wanted to soak in his welcome for as long as I could. (28:52 - 29:11) And while I was standing there looking at him, I heard a voice. And I don't know where that voice came from, Will, but it was clearly I heard a voice. And the voice said to me, when your son looks through the glass at you, what does he see? And I thought about that. (29:11 - 29:55) What does he see? And the answer that immediately came to mind is he sees a father who's angry. He sees a father who's afraid. He sees a father who's in despair. And the truth was he sees a father who's rejecting his own son because I didn't want this disabled child. I wanted the other child that I had before he came became disabled. And it was just it came to me and like an instant knowing that that was the answer. And I as I stood there, I said my son deserves better than that. And so I said to myself, I'm going to make peace with the son that I have. I'm going to fall in love with the son that I have, not the son I don't have. (29:55 - 33:34) And that's when I made a decision that I would love this boy with everything in me because he deserves that. Ted, thank you so much for your candour and sharing your story because people have to hear it because there's so many people there who like my wife and myself were blessed to have two healthy kids despite the fact that they had probably the same vaccines that other people's kids did and nothing happened to them, thankfully. And so a lot of people just don't understand the impact of this, that how devastating it can be. So obviously I have to assume that your experience with Josh led you to Vaccine Choice Canada and getting involved with them. Let's start there. And how did you get involved and how did that progress to where you are now in running the organisation? Well, I didn't know about Vaccine Choice Canada initially, and I started up my own group called Parents of Vaccine Injured Children and did what I could of trying to share information about what I was learning because I was, I was absolutely consumed by trying to understand what happened to Josh and figure out how to reclaim his health. I learned about Vaccine Choice Canada, I think about 2012, maybe. And so I started submitting articles to them that they were including in their journal because I like to write. And in 2014, they asked if I would join the board of Vaccine Choice Canada, and I did. In 2016, they asked if I would be the vice president and I agreed to. And then in December of 2019, they asked if I would be the president. And so you stepped into the role as either just the right or just the wrong time depending on how you want to look at it. Yeah, it was amazing to think, you know, how the world would change literally within a couple of months of my being the president of Vaccine Choice Canada. I love serving in this capacity. I mean, I feel like I don't want any more kids to be harmed like my son was. And what I saw happen during COVID broke my heart of how even the, you know, the poor quality of informed consent and honouring parental choice and decision making around medical decisions had been violated. I mean, during COVID, it just was absolutely tyrannical. And the amount of harm that that period of our life has caused globally is, I mean, I don't think we have any idea of the significance of the consequences of the COVID injection. But anyways, that's my journey with Vaccine Choice Canada. And, you know, it is such a beautiful group of mostly parents of vaccine injured kids that, you know, our dedication is to help other parents understand, you know, we made the, we all made the mistake of believing the mantra that vaccines are safe and effective. And so we had to learn the hard way. And I don't want other parents to have to learn the hard way. And when you look at it, just the basic fundamentals of vaccination are so wrong, they're so flawed, that the lack of evidence to support their claims is so obvious that, you know, once you see, you cannot not see it. The challenge is, is that the ideology, our belief system is so entrenched globally around the practise of vaccination. (33:35 - 36:13) It is actually a very difficult journey to have the conversation with people. They don't want to hear it. They don't want to hear that. One is that they might have participated in the harming of their child. And two is that when you come to understand that the science of vaccination is a fraud, it's a massive lie and has always been a massive lie, then people will say, well, if that, if what you're saying is true, that means that our government is lying to us, our medical doctors are lying to us, our media is lying to us. And you say, yes. And they just say, well, I'd rather believe that you're, you know, an anti-vax wacko than to believe that our system is that corrupted. Yes. And it's, and you're absolutely right. I'm just sitting here reflecting on Thanksgiving dinner with my extended family yesterday, and you can't bring any of this up. They don't want to hear it. They will literally get up and walk away from the table. And so we do have this huge struggle to try to get people to understand what's happening. And once again, we're going to get to that in a minute, but I want to talk a little bit more about VCC first. You came on board 2016, took over 2019. So I'm assuming that you most know a lot about the history of it, even though before you were involved. And I have to imagine that two things, one, it must've been a very long, hard journey to get to the point of having any kind of real impact because yes, people didn't want to hear it. People weren't aware of it. And then I'm imagining that in the last few years, it's exploded. Exactly. Well, you know, for most of Vaccine Choice Canada's history, 35, 38 years, it was an invisible organisation. It was a very small group of parents that were trying to raise the alarm bells about vaccination. There was very little opportunity to share information. You know, there was a time though, Will, when our mainstream media would entertain conversations about vaccine entry. The Globe and Mail actually approached me this probably around 1990. And they said, we're going to do an article on vaccination. And we've got somebody that's going to write an article on pro-vaccination. And we're going to give you half a page in the Globe and Mail to write about why we ought to be concerned about vaccination. And they printed it. But that's not happened since. The amount of censorship on this conversation is quite shocking, actually. There's no ability to share information. So you're right. (36:14 - 37:45) Up until COVID, if you were to survey people in Canada, say, are you aware of Vaccine Choice Canada? You'd be hard pressed to find anybody that's aware of the organisation. And then when COVID hit, and people began to realise that something was wrong, that what they were saying about the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccine wasn't what they were experiencing, they started looking for information. And many people are shocked to discover that we've been around for 43 years. They think that we only showed up in the last three or four or five years. And so people have said that the best thing that happened to Vaccine Choice Canada was COVID. And the unfortunate part is that it seems like it takes suffering before people are open up questioning some of their strongly held beliefs. And I think that's what we're experiencing now is that there's a shattering that's happening of people's ideology around not only vaccination, but our medical system in general, our governments, our media, our regulatory agencies, our law enforcement, our judicial system. We're discovering that it's not what we thought it was, that we have been living a lie. Absolutely. Yes. And I think I want to add my own small story to that. You know, obviously, you became aware of all of this through your son, Josh. (37:45 - 38:47) Whereas up until 2020, I was asleep as the next person. And one of the greatest regrets of my life was that in 2016, I had stage four throat cancer as a result of HPV infection. And that year, I was the national spokesperson for the Canadian Cancer Society. And I went on national television, and I advised people to get their kids vaccinated against HPV. And if I had known then a fraction of what I know now, there's no way I would ever have done that. And to this day, it haunts me how much damage I might have done. I'll never know how many kids out there might have been harmed by that vaccine, because I told them they should do it. And as you point out in your book, there's no evidence that any of these vaccines actually work. Yeah. Or are safe. Or are safe. And while that's one thing where I, I myself in the past four years will openly state I have become an anti-vaccine. (38:47 - 40:06) Not because there isn't evidence that there are some vaccines that might actually be effective, but because there is no evidence that any of them are safe. And that's it. I mean, you know, what we talked about in the book, there's a lot of products that are effective. Thalidomide was effective. Lead was effective. Vioxx was effective. Asbestos is effective. But they're not safe. And when you examine the safety profile of every vaccine on the childhood schedule, you'll discover that not only are they not safe, they're actually quite harmful. You know, I get asked the question all the time, Will, how many children are vaccine injured? And my answer is all of them. Yes. You can't inject those kinds of toxins and poisons into our infants and our children and not be harmed. Now, my son is on one end of that spectrum. But when you compare, you know, there are more and more families that I'm engaging now with completely unvaccinated children. And when you see how healthy those children are, how bright they are, how even tempered they are, you realise that we have come to accept childhood illness as a norm, as opposed to a consequence of this vaccination programme. (40:09 - 42:07) I every every time I see an unvaccinated child, it reminds me of the criminality of this medical practise. Yes. And you're absolutely right. When you say all of them are vaccine injured, here's a simple test that anybody can look at. Go back and look at old historical photographs from before we had vaccines. And what you will notice is the vast majority of people have symmetrical faces. Right. Now you look at people today and very few people do. I have a crooked smile. I have one eyelid that doesn't open as well as the other one. I learned in the last few years that's almost certainly partial facial paralysis as a result of vaccination and is extremely common. So you're absolutely right. And then, of course, that's just what we see on the outside. What's it done to us mentally, emotionally? We don't know. Most of us feel we're quite functional. But what would we have been like if we hadn't been injected with those toxins? And we'll never know. Well, and they don't want us to know. Of course they don't. But that brings me to, I think, one of the most important questions in this interview. It's the awareness is increasing. Finally, people are starting to get it. And certainly, as you pointed out, COVID may have been the very best thing that happened to Vaccine Choice Canada because it raised a great deal of awareness. Now we've got the autism problem where when you and I were kids, we'd never heard of autism. What the heck is that? And now we're talking about statistics say out of California, one in over 18, over 19 children. And you've got your finger on the pulse of this, Ted. And I know this is a very difficult question to answer or even conjecture on, but do you think we're finally maybe getting to the point where there will be enough people who understand this that we can make changes? Because right now the problem we have, and you're well aware of this, is that we have got big pharma lobbying our government, and let's be clear on what that word means, bribing our government to give them indemnity to keep pushing their products on us and our children. And the only way it's ever going to change is if the people rise up and say, enough. We want change. We're not going to put up with this anymore. We want their indemnity taken away. (42:08 - 42:25) We want free choice. We want to be informed of what we're being injected with. Do you think we're getting close? And if we're not, how bad is it going to have to get before we will? Well, it's a really good question because the pharmaceutical industry is a very powerful force. (42:26 - 42:38) And again, as a direct result of the 1986 Act, it's an incredible business model that there's no liability. They don't have to make sure their products are safe. It doesn't matter. (42:38 - 43:42) And when a child is injured, the compensation, the little compensation that does happen comes from the taxpayer. It doesn't come from the pharmaceutical industry. So they're making enormous profits, and they are using those profits to control our legislators, control our medical schools, control our media. I mean, what they talk about is all of the advertising that happens on TV. It's not really to control or it's not really to advertise those products. It's to control the media platform. When a television station like CTV or CBC or any of those relies heavily on advertising, and much of that advertising is from the pharmaceutical industry, they're not going to risk those advertising dollars by telling the truth about vaccines. And so we're living in a captured system. And I would agree with you. I've said our governments are not going to save us. Our College of Physicians and Surgeons aren't going to save us. The CDC, Health Canada, all of those organisations, all of those regulatory agencies are captured agencies. (43:43 - 45:15) And I believe, like you just stated, Will, is that the change will happen when enough parents are educated to say, I'm not vaccinating my child. And I would say that that's the refrain I'm getting. I have people coming up to me all the time now saying, I will never give my child another vaccine. And so there's a movement that's happening. It's not being reflected. You won't see it in the media. I mean, what you'll see is like the World Health Organisation said vaccine hesitancy is one of the 10 top dangers to the world right now. Well, that tells me that we're making a difference, that more and more parents are rejecting this fraudulent, dangerous ideology. But, you know, we're in a war and that other side's not going to back down easily. There's way too much money. There's way too much power. And, you know, what I believe is not only are they protecting their products, they're protecting a delivery system. They've got, with the vaccine ideology, they have the ability to inject every human on the planet, which is a very dangerous technology. Our bodies are not designed to receive things through injection. And so that's one of the reasons why I know that this whole vaccine ideology is fraudulent, is that the way our immune system is designed is we become infected with some kind of illness through, you know, through our mouth, through our nose, through breathing, through respirations, through swallowing. (45:15 - 46:37) That's where our defence mechanism will identify those, you know, those threats and respond. It won't respond when you inject something into the arm of your child. And we know that if they just injected the bacterial viral load that they're so-called, you know, targeting, the body would ignore it in the arm. That's why they have to use mercury or aluminium to activate the immune system. And so what we're up against here is a very dangerous corporation that has an enormous amount of power. And part of that power is also the power to influence. And people are literally, you know, you talk to Jason Christoff about we're mind controlled, we've been hacked. People will, you know, I say it like in our new parent guide, you know, I see parents all the time will invest hundreds of hours into researching a baby crib or a stroller or a car seat or any number of, you know, things for their infant and will put zero amount of time into investigating and even reading the ingredients list of a vaccine. It's curious how we have been so manipulated by putting that label vaccine on something. (46:38 - 47:04) It's not just the propaganda that's a problem. There's also the censorship, The Iron Wire. We're on 12 different social media platforms, but there's four of them that unfortunately we can't post this interview to. And that's YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook and Instagram, because if we do, we'll be banned and have in the past. In fact, we've been banned twice on YouTube and once on LinkedIn for posting the truth about vaccines. So we have that challenge as well. (47:05 - 51:30) So the next question I would have then is what can viewers, the people who are actually concerned about this do to raise the awareness? You know, the unfortunate part, Will, is that it seems like we can't get the attention of parents until somebody close to them is injured. And, you know, try as we might, and you just said it, is that there are conversations you can't have with people. I can't even have it with some of my own extended family. You know, I've got four stepchildren and two of them will hear me out and want to know everything that I know about vaccines. And two of them refuse to have the conversation with me. And they simply say is that, basically what they say is. And it's hard to watch. And, you know, what I find curious is, the last from my opinion on virtually any other topic, but the topic that I think that I'm the most qualified to speak to, I'm not allowed to talk about it. I live in a senior's golf course community. And one of the things that they do is every Monday they pair you up as a different member of the community so you get to know your neighbours. And I've had a few times now, Will, when I get to the tee box and they see who I am, they refuse to play with me because I'm this dangerous anti-vaxxer. We're up against difficult forces. I mean, one of the reasons that we wrote this new parents guide is we believe that we have to get to parents before they start vaccinating their kids. And what I believe is that informed consent doesn't exist when the topic is vaccination. It really is a decision that's made on belief, not on making an informed decision based upon the facts. And parents don't know. They don't know what these illnesses are that we're vaccinating for. So I'm old enough to know what measles is. I experienced it as a child. I know that it's not a serious condition. I know that it's not fatal. You know, the CDC, back in 1963, before the vaccine was introduced, said this is a self-limiting illness, which means it takes care of itself. You don't actually have to do anything with low fatality. But as soon as they introduced the vaccine... That when we were children, if somebody's kid got measles, everybody took their kids over to play with them. So they'd get infected and they'd get over it. You wouldn't have to worry about them getting it as adults when it could be dangerous. Right. So we had a very rational way of dealing with it. But not any longer. And then once they introduced the vaccine now, all of a sudden it's a killer disease. You know, and if there's a purported measles death in Canada, that's frontline headline news across the country. So we're up against a mammoth fraud that's going on here. And all we can do is what we try to do in the new parents guide is we say, listen, this is what the condition is. This is what the illness is. This is what measles is. This is what mumps is. This is what chickenpox is. Then we invite them to read the product monograph. So with every pharmaceutical product, when you buy it at a pharmacy, Asperg, Tylenol, whatever it is, there's a folded piece of paper with very fine print on it that is called the monograph that is required by law for every pharmaceutical product, except they don't give it to you when it's a vaccine. And if you were to ask your doctor for a copy of it, in our experiences, most doctors will refuse to give it to you. And so what we do in our new parent guide is we provide links where you can download a product monograph. And we say, just read one. And you'll read, because it lists what the ingredients are. It lists what the contraindications are, who should and who should not take this product. And then it talks about the safety studies. And you realise none of these products have been proven to be safe. And so... Zero double blind studies have been done with vaccines, ever. (51:31 - 54:24) With a true placebo. Right. And if people want to know the truth of that, you can go read turtles all the way down. Exactly. And then what we introduced, there's been a number of studies that have been done in the last eight, 10 years that compare vaccinated and unvaccinated children. And so we report on those studies. And every single study shows that unvaccinated children are healthier than vaccinated children. Yes. And usually brighter, better adjusted, and yes, a long list of things. And so the hope is that we can get parents to at least begin to think about this before they just blindly follow that well-baby visit schedule, which is not about a well-baby visit schedule. It's about a vaccine schedule. And we've made the book as attractive as we can, as engaging as we can, because a book like turtles all the way down, it's pretty dense and you're hard pressed to get a parent to read it. And so we're trying to find something that parents will read. So this is about 115 page book. We've just completed a book on pregnancy and vaccination, and it's about 40 pages long. And it describes the vaccines that are given during pregnancy now or recommended during pregnancy. And we've gone from, you know, one of the chapters of the book is called from sacred to seven. We've gone from pregnancy being a sacred time when mothers were extremely careful about what they would allow or take into their bodies because they knew that they were eating and drinking for two for that infant. And now we're injecting them with as many as seven vaccines during pregnancy with no proven safety for that infant. And when you go to the product monograph, that actually says that on the product monograph, this product has not been tested on pregnant women and the health of the And yet Health Canada will tell you on their ads, it's safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective. It's not an easy journey, but I can tell you is like in the last number of years, I've had a number of medical doctors that have come to me and apologised for the harm that they may have caused. And I've had two of them that actually broke down in tears as they basically apologised. Probably the most humorous, though, was Dr. Roger Hodkinson, who I've gotten to know through the COVID experience. And in the beginning, he told me that he didn't have much time, much patience for these anti-vaxxers. And he was pretty blunt as Roger can be. And then a couple of years later, when he began to do some of his own homework around the childhood vaccines, he sent me a photograph, Will, and it was a dinner plate. And on the dinner plate was a dead crow. And the caption was, I'm eating crow. (54:26 - 54:37) Unfortunately, people like Roger who are that moral and intellectually honest are few and far between. And what we will find is that many of the doctors also don't want to look at the evidence. They don't want to hear it. (54:38 - 55:18) Right. Ted, thank you so much for everything that you've done with Vaccine Choice Canada, for your information in this interview today, for the excellent parent's guide. And folks, you'll find a link to it beneath this interview. I've read it. It's a fantastic book. You don't need to be a doctor to understand it, but believe me, take the time to read it and you will understand the threats to our kids of these vaccines. Ted, you're the expert on this. Is there anything else you would like the viewers to know before we close out this interview? You know, Will, I think you've said it is that we've all been captured in a way. I mean, the mind control and marketing technology has been pretty sophisticated. (55:19 - 55:55) And we want to believe our government. We want to believe our media. We want to believe our medical doctors that we go to. And it's difficult to come to the realisation that they may just be ignorant or they may actually be participating in this criminal behaviour. And so those are difficult realisations to come to. But I believe that until we actually take more of a responsibility for our health care decisions, that we have to actually... I say to parents, it's your responsibility to protect your right to informed consent. (55:56 - 56:49) And as a parent, it's your right and your duty to make the medical decisions for your child. And we can't rely on government or law enforcement or the College of Physicians and Surgeons to protect us. We actually have to be the ones to stand up and protect their rights and freedoms. And so I think we're in a very interesting time in this journey of humanity when we're getting back to understanding that we need to take more responsibility than we've taken in the last many years. Very well said. And I was about to close out the interview, but as you were speaking there, I just realised we've missed something that I think is very important that we need to talk about at least briefly. And that's the concept of mature minors. Yeah, all provinces in Canada and actually many places around the world have introduced this doctrine they call the mature minor doctrine. And it's a way of undermining parental authority. (56:51 - 57:18) And the legal age of consent is 18. And so by law, they should not be providing medical care to a minor without the consent of the parent, which is the guardian. And yet, particularly with vaccination, that is being intentionally undermined through this mature minor doctrine. (57:18 - 1:00:04) The person who's vaccinated gets to decide if the child is mature enough to make their own medical decisions. Now, they may never have met that child before in their life, but somehow they have that authority to make that decision. And my issue is that they're now holding vaccine clinics in our schools. And there's no way that these children are given enough information to make a proper, informed decision. I mean, the adults in many cases can't make an informed decision. And so I'm appalled that our schools are participating in a violation of parental rights and duty to make medical decisions. And the B.C. government put out a document just recently where it says that we will, because of the mature minor doctrine, we will be approaching your child on at least two occasions when they turn 10 and when they turn 13 to offer them vaccinations. And they say we don't have to notify the parents. I find that more than repulsive. I find that criminal. And yet they are so open now about that, basically telling parents that we're going to provide a medical treatment to your child without your knowledge or consent. And it's happening all the time, all the time. And it's all part of the push to have your children raised by the state, not by the parents. And something I'd like to add to this, having been, I was a paramedic when I was young, so I may know a little bit more about anatomy and physiology than a lot of people do. One fact that a lot of people don't know is that the human brain, sure, we talk about the age of consent being 18, but the human brain, there's many studies to show it's not actually fully developed until the age of 25. And so we're talking about a 10 and a 13 year old, that it's not just that they don't have enough information. They may very well not have the judgement capacity to make any kind of reasonable decision about this. And this is why they need guardians, why they need the parents to make those decisions for them. Yes, you can sit down and you can have a rational conversation with a 14 year old, but that does not mean that they have the discernment to understand the impact of injecting themselves with something that could have lifelong consequences. And so we need to bring an end to that as well. Yeah, to me, it's predatory. This is predatory behaviour. We talk about the grooming of our children sexually now in schools, but they're also being groomed around this medical practise of vaccination. And when parents ask me what they should do, I say, we need to stop sending our kids to school. (1:00:04 - 1:00:12) It's no longer a safe place. That's what's happening. My wife is currently running for Catholic school trustee here in Calgary, and the election's coming up in a week. (1:00:13 - 1:00:51) And she's ending up in a lot of doorsteps now where the parents are saying, well, my kids are in a private school or charter school because they've had it with the school system. They don't trust them to even educate our children anymore, certainly not to raise them. And we shouldn't trust them. Just like we shouldn't trust the medical system, we need to do our homework and we need to take responsibility for those medical decisions, the same thing with our children going to school. We need to pay much more attention to what's happening there. The world has become a dangerous place, and sadly, on our watch. (1:00:53 - 1:00:58) And you're absolutely right. Ted, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you. I've appreciated this time with you, Will.