Will Dove  00:00 In late 2021 Ottawa Detective Helen Grus noticed a sharp increase in SIDS deaths as well as two previously unheard-of instances of babies dying in their mother’s arms. She began investigating a possible link between those deaths and their mother’s having taken the Covid vaccines.   Will Dove  00:22 Her investigation noted some very odd things, such as the fact that in 8 of the 9 cases she looked in to, the mother was never asked by detectives if she had recently taken a vaccine, despite the fact that this had been standard practice for 40 years.   Will Dove  00:40 After only a month, Helen was ordered to shut down the investigation. Then she was charged with discreditable conduct, despite having the approval of her superiors to conduct the investigation.   Will Dove  00:54 Two and half years and $350,000 dollars in legal costs later, Helen is still fighting for her job and her reputation. Independent journalist and former Toronto Police Detective Donald Best has been following the case closely.   Will Dove  01:11 So far, Helen’s disciplinary hearing has served only to highlight the corruption within the Ottawa police and their criminal collusion with the CBC, who obtained private information through illegal means, then blackmailed the Ottawa Police to further tarnish Detective Grus’ reputation.   Will Dove  01:31 With the case not going well for the prosecution due to Grus’ excellent work history, highly professional police work and the fact that she was quite literally only doing her job, the hearing has now been put on hold until late this year.   Will Dove  01:38 In the meantime, the evidence that Grus was looking for the cause of death in exactly the right place continues to mount.   Will Dove  01:57 This is undoubtedly one of the most shocking interviews I have ever done. The level of corruption within the Ottawa Police Service is so extensive as to be almost unbelievable, but Donald has the evidence to prove it all.   Will Dove  02:14 While the tribunal has yet to reach a decision, I have no doubt that after hearing the facts, you will conclude that Detective Grus’ only crime was questioning the vaccine narrative.   Will Dove  02:33 Donald it’s pleasure to have you on the show.   Donald Best  02:35 It's great to be here, Will. Looking forward to it.   Will Dove  02:39 And we were talking before the interview. And I did say it's distressing. It really is. Because I've been reporting a lot of the legal stuff that's been happening our country in the last few years, we had at least two to three years there of the courts just riding roughshod over people's rights. But it seemed as though things were starting a little bit better. And then along comes Helen's case, and it's - well, I'm going to let you tell the viewers about it, because I'm almost speechless over what's being done to this woman.   Will Dove  03:05 But before we get into that, I just want to reiterate something I said in my introduction, you yourself, were a detective with the Toronto Police for a long time. So not only are you also an independent journalist who's been following all of this, you have inside knowledge of how the whole system is supposed to work. So, I'm going to let you tell the story of first of all, what Helen did that has caused all of this.   Donald Best  03:31 Detective Helen Grus, was an Ottawa police officer, a detective, 20 years 21 years’ experience, before this whole case, she was very highly thought about Ottawa. She was scheduled for promotion. And everybody loved working with her. Her annual evaluations were top notch. And then COVID, and the government response and police response to COVID. So, Detective Grus became concerned about the mRNA jabs and this was back in 2021 in the fall. By that time, some police officers had said they were injured, some Ottawa police officers had said they were injured by the mRNA COVID vaccines.   Donald Best  04:24 And so, she, Helen, sent a letter, an open letter of the chief. And she asked about the - because they were going to be mandated. And she asked a number of questions about the efficacy and the reason for them, and whether there have been any injuries. And she also asked if police officers and police employees take these mandated injections and they're injured or die, will the police cover their families? Will the police continue paying? Will the police accept liability? And the minute she set that out, well, the trouble started. She was ostracized. She was ordered in her unit. And this is the ironic thing about this, Detective Grus worked in the SACA unit, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse unit.   Donald Best  05:36 They are responsible for investigating all unexplained infant deaths outside of hospitals. So, this was her unit. This was part of her job. And she was top notch at it. But the minute she set that out, and refused to state whether or not she was vaccinated, she said, my medical condition, I'm not going to tell you. She was ostracized. She was ordered not to speak of COVID or the vaccines. Now, this was interesting, because this unit is responsible for the investigation of infant deaths. And so, what happened in the fall of 2021, that there was a cluster of unexpected infant deaths in the Ottawa area. There was nine originally and then Detective Grus eliminated two of those as couldn't possibly have anything to do with the vaccine. Because one of them was, I think, a drowning and the other one was something else I don't recall. But in any event, there were seven highly suspicious deaths.   Donald Best  06:53 So, what did the Ottawa police do? Because Detective Grus refused to say if she was vaccinated or not, they sent her to another office, they moved her out of the office and sent her to another office out in the suburbs. So, they put her away from the squad. And they instructed some of the squad members to spy on her, to never be with her alone, because in case she groped the rule that she had been ordered not to talk about the vaccine harms, COVID, anything like that. She wasn't invited to the Christmas party, not the house parties, and not to the office Christmas party. Now, she was assigned to work during the office Christmas party. Now in business across Canada, everywhere in the world, who works during Christmas?   Donald Best  07:51 The young people, the new ones, without family, without children, and that's who gets order to work Christmas, but not a 20-year veteran with a family. But they did that to her. She held meetings with the chief. And these were townhall meetings where she informed the chief about the cluster of infant deaths. She also met with the chief’s assistant called the sergeant major. And she explained what she was doing and that she was suspicious that there might be some connection between some of these infant deaths and breastfeeding mothers who were vaccinated. And she wanted to know. Why wouldn't you want to know that, Will? Why wouldn't you want to know? Anybody would want to know that. So anyway, the chief’s assistant said that, he testified by the way, as a defense witness at this trial that's going on. So, Detective Grus, basically had the approval of the chief’s assistant, the sergeant major to continue this investigation.   Will Dove  09:05 And as you pointed out, that man, he testified on her behalf. Correct? Okay, yeah. So, obviously, he's not going to perjure himself. He's obviously telling the truth. She came and talked to him. He gave his approval. Please continue.   Donald Best  09:22 Actually, he said he saw nothing wrong with what she was doing. You see police officers don't have to have approvals to do investigations. In Canada, the way we set it up, no police officer has to have permission or asked for permission. We each have individual autonomy that comes from our oath of office, it comes from all the laws and we set this up so that powerful people, organizations, corporations, as have organizational or operational control of the police. The minute you inject police officers needing to ask for permission to start an investigation, like in some countries, India, for instance, I'm very familiar with their system. And before a police officer can start an investigation, he would go up the chain of command to see if the person or the business he's going to investigate is perhaps a protected person, maybe a political donor, maybe a relative of somebody. That's the way it's done.   Donald Best  10:36 But in Canada, and Britain and the United States, we've set up things differently. And we give very great power and authority to individual police officers to present this operational corruption by powerful entities. So protective groups did this investigation. And on January 11, 2022, there was an infant that died unexpectedly. And it died in its mother's arms. Now, this is unusual, because infants, usually you get unexpected infant deaths, sudden infant death, they're sleeping, they're in their crib, very common. And to have a baby die in its mother's arms is so rare that we had testimony from the prosecution at Detective Gru’s trial. She's charged with discreditable conduct right now and in the middle of the trial, and we had prosecution witness an expert in investigating sudden infant deaths. He's investigated or supervised over 600 occurrences. And he could only recall one occurrence, where a baby died in its mother's arms, and he really wasn't sure about that. But this baby that died in its mother's arms on January 11, 2022, was the second baby to die in its mother's arms in Ottawa in six weeks. And we had…   Will Dove  12:17 And of course, this is happening amidst a whole rash of SIDS deaths.   Donald Best  12:22 Yes.   Will Dove  12:23 Much higher numbers than normal.   Donald Best  12:25 Yes, in the Ottawa area with some two to three times the normal annual number of unexpected child deaths. These are infants under one year old. So, two in six weeks. So, she was tremendously worried. She started looking into the investigation of the nine infant deaths. And she looked into the police files. Now, you know, when you're a police officer, you're allowed to look into all the files. We do this all the time to get information on a current investigation, to see what's happened, to see if somebody's been a witness in something. I mean, there's all sorts of searches that police officers do with their own internal police records, to assist and sometimes curiosity, professional curiosity to see, you know, this chap got off on a chart, what happened? Was there not a proper investigation? So, you're allowed to do that. You're not allowed to do that for outside organizations, you're not allowed to access secret information, police information and give it to anyone else. There has to be a purpose.   Donald Best  13:41 But police officers are absolutely allowed to look at police records. You don't have to be in charge of the case. You don't have to know anything about it. It's just the way it's set up. So, she did that. And she found that out of those nine infant deaths, eight of them, there was no record of the investigating officer asking if the parents had been vaccinated or not. Or if the baby had been vaccinated or not. There was no record of that.   Will Dove  14:11 Would that be a normal question to ask?   Donald Best  14:15 For 40 years, yes. Back in the 80s when I was doing this, of course you asked. You asked the parents, and you know, you, you have to be sensitive. And of course you're sensitive. But it's a homicide investigation until proven otherwise. And sometimes, it might be one of the parents.   Will Dove  14:35 Yes, so, I assume that the reason why we've been 40 years ago, you would ask have you been vaccinated recently, isn't necessarily that 40 years ago, anybody suspected there might be something wrong with vaccines, but you're looking for anything out of the ordinary, correct? Like, it could have cost this.   Donald Best  14:51 Since vaccinations, is Mom a drug addict? Is Dad a drug addict and alcoholic? I mean, we asked all these things, and you ask them because they must be asked, and as a matter of fact, on the coroner's form in Ontario, which the police must - it must be filled out. And the Ottawa police regulations, we heard testimony that it must be filled out. And there's a question there about vaccines. And this information did not appear in the Ottawa police files.   Will Dove  15:33 Before we move on, Donald, I want to clarify this to make sure I'm understanding this. One, for 40 years, the standard operating procedure and the SIDs death, you're going to ask one of the questions, I'm sure many of them, but one of the questions are going to ask the parent, the mother, have you been vaccinated recently? So much so that there's a form on which that question is one of the questions. And you’re right, in eight of nine cases, that question was not asked or, it was asked and never recorded.   Donald Best  16:04 Or it gets worse, much worse. When Detective Grus went to ask some of her colleagues about, hey, there's nothing here. There are colleagues, one of them said, the parents are feeling so bad. I don't want to make them feel worse by asking that question. What? It’s impossible to believe, isn’t it?   Will Dove  16:31 I got to ask the obvious question, and Donald, especially since you're a former detective yourself, would you surmise, and I realize we have no proof here. What we can do is guess. Would you surmise that perhaps those investigators were instructed not to ask that question? They would already suffer sever repercussions for questioning the mandates.   Donald Best  16:53 I don't think that anyone would have instructed them or ordered them to not answer. I think that it was sort of like a group thing, a culture thing that happened, especially with what happened to Detective Grus. What they did to her when she mentioned the vaccine? I mean, she's ostracized, even her own colleagues ostracized her. And even now, so many people who had these injections are in a state of denial years later, aren't they? I'm not talking about people who should be worried because they're liable, either criminal or civilly, or for what's been done to people with these injections. I'm just talking about ordinary people. They just don't want to admit what they see all around them.   Will Dove  17:44 Well, there's that but these, and I get that in the general population. Of course, we've all seen it. That there's this mass denial going on out there. But I'm very focused right now on these investigators not asking that question. Now, you've already said, your opinion, no, they probably weren't instructed not to ask, but as you pointed out, look what happened to Helen when she questioned the mandates? It seems to me and I'm going to drop a little bomb here and that's going to add to this. But it seems to me that there's this culture there that they've been given that says, “Don't you dare question the safety of the shots or there will be repercussions.”   Donald Best  18:23 Well, there was repercussions, there were. You couldn't come to work, you wouldn't be paid, if you didn't take the shot. Maybe you’ll lose your mortgage. There are repercussions. It’s not a choice.   Will Dove  18:39 So that the bomb I said I was going to drop, is about two months ago, I interviewed a lady, Natasha Gonek, a former investigator for bird health services in Alberta, who at the request of a number of Edmonton police officers went through 9000 FOIA documents, and found extreme abuses of officers and employees in the Edmonton police service over the COVID mandates. And Natasha also told me that after she released those findings, she got calls from police stations across the country saying yes, the same thing was happening here. Now, I'm not going to go into the details, people, I will put a link to that interview beneath this one. You can go watch it if you want. It's as mind boggling as what Donald was telling us. But I think we established very solidly.   Will Dove  19:32 There was a culture of - “Don't you dare question”, “Don't you open your mouth”, “Don't you say anything”, “There will be repercussions if you do”. And because of that and the important point, shoddy investigation was done into why we've suddenly got two to three times as many children dying of SIDS in this time period with no explanation.   Will Dove  20:02 Let's get back to Detective Grus’ story. So, we've determined that she went and she talked to her supervisor, which she didn't have to do, she didn't need authority to go and check into this. We've determined that eight of the nine cases, despite the fact this be a clear protocol for 40 years, despite the fact that on the form the question was never asked, and it was likely never asked because of that culture of - there will be repercussions if you question this. So that's why it's up to this point in the story. Let's keep going.   Donald Best  20:32 Well, to clarify, it was not in the police records. Now, does that mean that the coroner asked it? In some cases, we heard not, was not asked. So, there was testimony about this. But the interesting thing was when Detective Grus found one of the parents, and that was on January 30, 2022, she found one of the parents, a father. And she said exactly what she was doing. And she was investigating and was the mother vaccinated. And I believe by all accounts, the evidence that we heard, the father was grateful, and it was a good call well received. And of course, why wouldn't a parent be grateful that somebody cared about the infant’s death? So, in any event, that was where it stood on January 30, 2022. At that time, colleagues of Detective Grus complained up the ladder that she was doing this investigation.   Donald Best  21:49 On February 4, she was suspended. And she was given a chief notice and that notice was that she had committed discreditable conduct. And also, violated an order. Turned out there was no order she violated.   Will Dove  22:12 I was going to say we hadn't talked about any order, Donald. So, this is an imaginary order. Then?   Donald Best  22:19 Well, they didn't charge her with that when the charge came. But they just charged her with discreditable conduct. And how this went on was incredible, that I just keep using that word in this case, everything about this case. It’s just…   Will Dove  22:38 And for the for the benefit of the viewers, Donald hasn't even gotten to the really horrendous stuff yet.   Donald Best  22:44 No, no, I haven’t.   Will Dove  22:46 No?   Donald Best  22:48 No. So, Detective Grus is suspended. She's under investigation to get her. There's a plan, always a plan to investigate people. So, she's at that all and in mid-February, they wiretapped Detective Grus and her family. Using the sections of the Criminal Code where you don't have to present any evidence, you just go to a judge. It's meant for things that are in play that are incredibly dangerous, and they need to get that wiretap removing right now. Child abduction, hostage situation, act of terrorism, murder about to occur, but they wiretapped Detective Grus and her family.   Donald Best  23:40 Now I worked with wiretaps for a whole year one time, I was injured on duty in a motorcycle accident, so, they sent me down. And it was kind of one of the best things that happened to me because it set me on the path to being a detective, organized crime, undercover officer. And, but I did wiretaps for a year, I listened to everyone and everybody. And what people don't understand is when a police wiretap, is targeting someone, it's not just that crime figure or that person they're targeting who gets wiretap, every person they speak with every time they pick up the phone. If the kitchen is bugged, every time the daughter walks into the kitchen, she's wiretapped. So, it's all your friends and families and business associates.   Donald Best  24:33 Think of all the things that you say to your wife or husband or child. The police all here that I knew. I knew a daughter was pregnant for three months before she told her parents. I knew that grandmother was a methamphetamine addict, and that she kept the stash in the garden shed along with a bottle of vodka. I listened as a young man; I think it was 14-15 years old told his father at work. He had come home from school; he wasn't feeling well. And he caught his mother in bed with another man in their own home. I heard that conversation. I heard all the conversations.   Will Dove  25:24 I think the point we have to make, Donald is, I mean, first of all, obviously, you're not deriving any pleasure from having to listen to this. While these people may or depending upon your opinion, be doing something perhaps reprehensible, they didn't commit a crime. Their privacy is being invaded. They didn't do anything. They're just somehow peripherally related to the person who is being investigated.   Donald Best  25:50 Right. And I mean, I heard the same man call his wife at work and say, hi, honey, would you bring home some bread and milk? Sure, honey, no problem at all. And as next phone call was to plot murder. So, you know, the answer is, police wiretaps are necessary. Yeah, maybe don't know about that neighbor living across the street, the one you always wave to, and you're friendly enough, just waving friendly and that you don't know he plots murder, you don't know that he extorts bribes from businesses to not – for protection record, you don't know this.   Will Dove  26:35 And I'm not suggesting that it's not necessary to be listening to all the people who are related to that potential criminal. But we're pointing out the fact that their privacy is being violated. As far as we know, they didn't do anything wrong. And now we carry that over to Detective Grus, who certainly didn't do anything wrong. And all the people around her are being listened in on as well.   Donald Best  26:58 Certainly, she didn't have a hostage situation, she didn’t kidnap anybody, she wasn't plotting murder, there was no crime involved. This charge, discreditable conduct is an internal charge, disciplinary charge. So, they did this to Detective Grus and they did this for a reason. And to get evidence. After the 36 hours, they're supposed to come back with the evidence, affidavits, show the judge, see we, you know, we had a reason to do this. They didn't come back.   Will Dove  27:33 I need to ask you a question about the way this is done, because you said 36 hours, does that mean that there's this window of a day and a half when they're listening to the occasional conversation? Or does it mean 36 hours of recording conversations?   Donald Best  27:48 A day and a half window where they can wiretap?   Will Dove  27:52 Okay, they listened in for a day and a half on Helen Grus and everybody around her and found nothing.   Donald Best  27:58 You should have heard her on the stand how devastating it was when she discovered that because she had family over and it was a family event, whatever it was that happened during that time period. And the fact of the matter is, they did that to Detective Grus to intimidate her because they knew that the law requires, she be notified that she was wiretapped. So, you see? That was just punishment. It was just intimidation.   Will Dove  28:27 After the fact?   Donald Best  28:29 Oh, after the fact.   Will Dove  28:30 Yes. Obviously, you're not going to tell someone that they're being wiretapped when they're under investigation, so I just need to clarify that. So, I'm just curious, it's really not all that relevant but how long after that investigation, that wiretapping, does the law require that that person be informed?   Donald Best  28:47 You know, I'm not sure what that period is now, it used to be 30 days, sometimes 60 days. And there were  rumors that sometimes that notice wasn't given. That maybe that was sent by a letter, not a registered letter. And so, the people who were wiretapped wouldn't know,   Will Dove  29:10 I can understand certain cases where that might be prudent.   Donald Best  29:15 Well, there were, you know, if you're going to do that you need a judge's order.   Will Dove  29:20 Right. And I would imagine that sort of, and we're digressing a little bit here, folks, but this is interesting stuff to me. So that cases where that person was never notified, I'm assuming that we're talking about there's people who are strongly suspected of committing serious crimes. But the wiretap didn't give you the evidence you need. The last thing you want to do is notifying that person that they're being investigated.   Donald Best  29:44 So, the investigation is still in progress. So, you go to the judge, you get an extension on the time period to notify.   Will Dove  29:52 Right. For instance, not what happened with her when she was notified. You don't know exactly how long after, and as you said, devastating because she had a family event at that time. She had a whole bunch of relatives who were there who all being listened in on.   Donald Best  30:06 Did she have a fight with her husband? Did she argue with one of her sons? Was her son crying on the phone to her girlfriend? I mean, think of all the things that go on in a person's life. Maybe even some were very happy events, but you don't really want to share them with the police, do you? Right. So, they wiretapped her just as a fishing trip, I guess. But they also knew they would have to notify her and that that would be devastating. Can you imagine? Can you imagine that?   Will Dove  30:43 So, for them, it's a win-win. Maybe they find something incriminating on the wiretap. And even if they don't, they can intimidate her by letting her know she's being investigated.   Donald Best  30:51 That's right. And don't forget, this comes on the heels of all, her being ostracized, transferred out of the office, not invited to the Christmas party, ordering people to spy on her. And when she was suspended, they searched her locker, they seized her computer and her phone, searched her desk, you know, this is serious business.   Will Dove  31:17 And at this point in time, if the viewers are having the same kind of cognitive disconnect that I'm having, I need to remind you all the context for this, Detective Grus had simply been investigating an unusually high number of SIDS deaths. And asked if it might be connected to vaccine injections in the mothers. I think we have to keep that in mind because we start talking about this stuff. And I don't know about anybody else, but my brain starts going down the road of investigating some crime kingpin. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about a very highly respected detective, who was simply doing her job.   Donald Best  31:59 And we know that one of the one of the babies was breastfed, we also know that one of the babies had an enlarged heart. And that, of course, is a known side effect listed of the Pfizer vaccine.   Will Dove  32:14 Yes. And of course, I've interviewed many, many scientific experts, doctors on these vaccines. We know the spike proteins get passed on from the mother. We know that to in some cases, the liquid nanoparticles get passed on. We don't know what else might be going through there. And of course, if she had the vaccination while she was still pregnant, it's even worse. Because now the baby is getting infected with everything that she's getting infected with.   Donald Best  32:40 Yeah, that's exactly it. So, they didn't find any evidence in the wiretap against Helen Grus.   Will Dove  32:50 Right. 36 hours listening to her and all of her relatives, not a damn thing.   Donald Best  32:55 Nope. But they never expected to find any evidence. It was just done to intimidate her. That intimidation has continued right to this day, I'll get to it. So anyway, that was where it stood. And in mid-March, two rogue Ottawa police officers unlawfully took what they knew about the Detective Grus investigation, and the parents and the babies. And they took that to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, the CBC, they illegally provided that information to a reporter called Shaamini Yogaretnam.   Donald Best  33:43 And, first of all, in my opinion, it was a criminal offense what they did.   Donald Best  33:52 They also interfered with an investigation and we’ll get obstructed police in an investigation. We'll get to that. And they certainly broke all the privacy rules and the rules and regulations in reverse statues and against the oath, the secret oath of secrecy. All of that can be criminal. We know they did this because we've heard evidence about it. We saw it in the newspaper articles that came out. So, what happened is, Shaamini Yogaretnam, on a Thursday, went to the Ottawa police and said, “This is what I know. I'm writing a story. You have 24 hours before I publish it.” Oh, have you told the involved parents yet? That their privacy was violated by this officer? Not by the CBC of course or not by the rogue officers whose name we don't know by the way. But Detective Grus is now blamed for this newspaper article.   Donald Best  35:08 So, what happened is, the CBC gave the Ottawa police an ultimatum. You better call these parents because, or else they're going to find out from our news article. And so, on that Friday, members of the professional standards unit, internal affairs, called each one of the parents or each family and told them that a police officer had violated their privacy and their medical records, which was not true at all.   Will Dove  35:46 No, that's a complete misrepresentation of what happened.   Donald Best  35:50 Exactly. But they upset the parents. So, on Monday, March 28, I think it was, 2022, Shaamini Yogaretnam, the CBC, publish these are first of two articles. And they said that Detective Grus went wrong, they said that she had been suspended for being rogue, that she had violated privacy and all sorts of laws and like this, and then she went on to a radio show. And it was on the radio show, which I have a recording of, and the transcript is on my website, donaldbest.ca. So, what happened is, the CBC published the article, then she went on the radio show. And then two days hence, a lawyer was interviewed by the CBC, by Yogaretnam. Again, saying that she represented one of the mothers, one of the parents, and that they were just terribly, terribly upset over this violation of privacy by this rogue officer.   Will Dove  37:08 Now once again, Donald, did this just, I mean, I knew all of this before started, but just listening to it, it's so hard to get your head around this. So once again, folks, I think I got to sum up here, keep in mind what's going on. We've got an excellent detective, who is being persecuted for simply doing her job. And now we've got two officers from the Ottawa police, quite likely illegally sharing information with the CBC, who is then going to use that as leverage to further the persecution against Helen Grus. And the question that comes into my mind is, okay, so now we've got two Ottawa police officers, and a CBC reporter. And presumably, the administration at the Ottawa police service, all of them kind of colluding on something that's set up to paint Detective Grus as having violated their rights, violated privacy, when of course, nothing of the sort happened. If anybody violated their privacy, it was the two officers who handed over the documents. So, you’re a detective, doesn't all this seem, just a little too much coincidence to just be self-interest on these various independent parties?   Donald Best  38:35 Oh, but wait, there's more. I know. Yeah. Like what you tell in the commercials, “But wait, there's more!” So, every investigation is planned. Every police investigation, that's not spontaneous, even then there's plans, there's ways of doing things, and especially in a major investigation, in any investigation against the police officer is a major investigation. Because there's so much at stake here. You get a rogue police officer; you get a police officer who’s dishonest, police officer who's violating people's rights or assaulting people. That's, that's serious. So, there's a plan.   Donald Best  39:20 And at the end of, I can only imagine, but with my experience, I'm sure that if the Ottawa police had planned to notify the parents that something had gone on, it would have been at the end of the investigation when they had talked to all the witnesses. They hadn't even spoken to Detective Grus at this at this point. And they hadn't talked to all the witnesses. They hadn't done their investigation. They hadn't had a forensic exam of her computer and her phone. All of that would need to be done before they would notify the parents if they notified the parents, if there was even a need to.   Donald Best  40:00 So, the CBC effectively gained control of the investigation. Determined what was going to happen, when it’s going to happen and revealed that it had happened to all these parents who have lost an infant in that cluster.   Will Dove  40:22 And all of that with illegally obtained information.   Donald Best  40:26 Yes. So, Detective Grus demanded in writing the professional standards the same as to getting her, do an investigation, this would have been a criminal investigation to see who leaked this information. Bonds record should have been gone through, computers should have been gone through, people should have been interviewed. And it was interesting because one of the prosecution witnesses, one of Detective Grus’s compatriots from the squad used a certain phrase in her complaint, and when being interviewed by professional standards. And that's a very kind of an unusual phrase. And the CBC used it in the article. Right? So, Detective Grus demanded an investigation and professional standards.   Will Dove  41:31 Once again, we have to clarify something here. And just in case, I wasn't understanding that, we've got a police officer using an unusual phrase during an internal investigation that no one should have been listening in on. And the CBC reporter who absolutely was not there at that time, use the same phrase.   Donald Best  41:52 Correct.   Will Dove  41:55 Okay, please keep going.   Donald Best  41:56 Yep. So, Detective Grus demanded an investigation and Professional Standards refused. There was an actual criminal event, and Professional Standards refused to determine who the culprits were.   Will Dove  42:18 And I can't say that that surprises me at all. Because once again, referring to my interview with Natasha Gonek, she found multiple instances where not only were officers and employees Charter rights violated, but cases where administration actually violated the Criminal Code, broke the law.   Donald Best  42:35 Yes.   Will Dove  42:37 So, what we got here, now we got two cities at the very least, Edmonton and Ottawa, where we have administration within the police service, consciously, knowingly, breaking the law.   Donald Best  42:51 Fair enough. Certainly, a neglective duty. But wait, there’s more.   Will Dove  42:57 Yes. And I know there is. I just want to make sure, because I know there's so much here, this is why I've been pausing to capsulate for people, because otherwise I lose track of it all.   Donald Best  43:08 That's right. So, no investigation into that criminal act by two officers. But on May 12, 2022, two investigators from Professional Standards interviewed detective Helen Grus. This was a compelled interview, a must do. If she had refused the interview, she would have been fired on the spot. I mean, this is the way these things work. Or sooner fire sooner or later. They served her with notice of increased penalty, saying that they were going to ask for her to be fired, dismissed, if she's found guilty. And they dropped the charge of disobeying an order because she didn't disobey any order.   Will Dove  44:03 Right. And they have no record of any such thing.   Donald Best  44:06 Right. And during that interview, the full three-hour interview was played in court and being a journalist, I'm accredited journalist, accredited by the Ottawa police so they allow me to record all the court proceedings to make it my notes. I'm not allowed to pass them on, but it's to make sure my reporting was accurate. So, we heard the three-hour conversation or interview with Detective Grus. A couple of noteworthy events happened. She told them that she was doing a criminal investigation, criminal negligence, causing injury or death is the Criminal Code. That's what she was investigating. That's what the Ottawa police stopped and ordered her to stop doing when she was suspended. She also turned over to the professional standards unit. All of the research and investigative notes and information that she had collected, including many of the Pfizer documents. And it showed that all the Pfizer documents show that certain people knew that these vaccines were deadly. They knew that there were injuries.   Will Dove  45:26 Don't get me started Donald. I can give you very compelling evidence to tell you that they knew when they were designing it, what it would do.   Donald Best  45:34 Yes. Fair enough. So, I'm telling what I recounting is what she told them and gave them copies of the documents. So, Detective Grus gave what I believe is evidence of criminal negligence, causing bodily and serious bodily injury or death. They did nothing with that evidence to this day. That's neglect of duty. It's far more than neglect of duty, but it is neglect of duty.   Will Dove  46:07 And I think we have to spell it for people what's in those documents. So, folks, this is a result of the Pfizer trial, the information that was released by court order that they wanted to keep hidden for 75 years, showing that of 40,000 people who they know were given the vaccines. Now, we don't know what the total number of vaccines administered was, it was never said in the document. But for those 40,000 cases that reported back to Pfizer, there were 1227 deaths. And I think it was 31 out of 32 women who miscarried.   Will Dove  46:52 Pfizer knew. They had that information, and they tried to hide it.   Donald Best  46:57 Yes. So, she gave them all of that information but it didn't matter. She was charged with one count discreditable conduct, she told them she had phoned the parents, the one parent, they didn't know about that until May 12. Now the CBC falsely reported that Detective Grus had gone to the corners and looked at papers and medical records at the corners or contacted them and requested them, that's inaccurate. But CBC reported it, they haven't retracted it, even though there's lots of evidence to show that that didn't happen. I'm talking from the prosecution. So, CBC leaves that lie up. And they haven't corrected all the other newspapers and news organizations. Same thing. Same thing. So, Detective Grus was charged and she appeared, started to appear I believe in August.   Will Dove  48:00 At 2023 at this point in time, yes.   Donald Best  48:04 At 2022.   Will Dove  48:07 It was 2022, sorry.   Donald Best  48:04 This case has been going for two and a half years now.   Will Dove  48:11 Yeah. I'd forgotten that. It's been around for long now.   Donald Best  48:15 And Detective Grus last estimate that I heard, I think I heard it in court was $350,000 with some legal fees. Now the police union has paid legal fees in the past for officers charged with sexual assault, theft, assault, taking bribes, but they refused to support Detective Grus and pay her legal fees. The union was in favor of vaccines, the mandate, and well, on people, I think they have civil liability also. My information is 32 Ottawa police officers are now claiming that they are injured by the vaccines. And there are plus two suspicious deaths.   Will Dove  49:17 And sadly, there will be more.   Donald Best  49:19 Yeah. But no, that seems to matter. And the police charged Detective Grus. And she had a few appearances in the fall of 2022, a couple where she didn't have a lawyer. And then there was a number of appearances where she did have a lawyer. And her law firm, the lawyer representing her is Bath-Sheba van den Berg, and she's just top-tier. Absolutely top-tier.   Will Dove  49:49 Briefly at one point, I don't know her well, but yes, she struck me as a very thorough professional lawyer.   Donald Best  49:59 Yes, and she's been I think, a defense lawyer also at the International Criminal Court. She really a top lawyer and Blair Ector also as co-counsel. And they're both Alberta based. And absolutely, they are the lawyers to have, but it just doesn't seem to matter. Because this thing has been going on and on. We've heard weeks of testimony. And an interesting thing happened in January of 2024, just few months ago. Detective Grus was scheduled to take the stand in her own defense. This was a big day. The defense was starting and Detective Grus was going to take the stand. Shortly before she was sent to testify, the inspector of the Ottawa police Professional Standards unit, emailed her a criminal threat, saying that she shouldn't talk about certain evidence. And she shouldn't use certain evidence and certain documents. And she better not or she'd be investigated. And the adverse inference to be drawn is, and charged again. That wasn't sent to her lawyer. It was sent directly to a witness who was about to take the stand. That's a criminal threat. That's a criminal act, examination of a person in a justice proceeding, obstruct justice, a criminal act.   Will Dove  51:50 And I want to clarify something I think, correct me if I'm wrong here, Donald. When you call this obstruction of justice, you mean that in a legal sense, because she has legal representation through her lawyer. Her lawyer is her attorney, the person who was supposed to be representing her before the courts, which means that any communication to do with her case by law has to go to her attorney. So, if you don't give it to her attorney, that is obstruction of justice. You're not following the procedure. Is that correct?   Donald Best  52:20 But also, intimidation of a witness just about to take a stand.   Will Dove  52:23 That too, you know, I was just clarifying that why it was terrible that they gave it to her and not to her lawyer.   Donald Best  52:32 And she was shaken by that. I mean, we saw in court, the defense team stood up, they very strongly protested, said it was a criminal act said, it was intimidation of a witness. And the hearing officer who we'll get into later, Detective Grus’s legal team were of course, absolutely angered that this had been done to their client when she was about to take the stand.   Will Dove  53:07 But I just want a detail here Donald, it was given directly to her but where and when?   Donald Best  53:13 It was emailed to her personally by the inspector from Professional Standards half an hour before she was supposed to take the stand.   Will Dove  53:26 Okay, so now I'm - despite the fact that I run what appears to be a very high-tech production here, I don't get email on my phone. I hate it. I hate thumb typing. But it occurs to me that if it is half an hour before she was supposed to take the stand, it had to been sent to her phone, emailed to her phone.   Donald Best  53:45 Sure, I get all my emails on my phone.   Will Dove  53:49 But here’s the point I'm making…   Donald Best  53:51 This is a police phone.   Will Dove  53:55 Okay, so it's a police phone. Okay. So, but it's half an hour before she's going to be on the stand. Who says she's even going to check it? She’s maybe just talking to her lawyers. Maybe she got it on silent. I'm trying to point out not just as you've already said, that this was a criminal act of intimidation, of obstruction of justice, but it sounds to me, like they were almost hoping and maybe she won't even check it. And now it got.   Donald Best  54:27 I don't know about that. That would be too much speculation for me. Maybe it's a possibility.   Will Dove  54:36 You’re the detective, not me, but it's just, I don't know, half an hour beforehand that - if it was me, I guarantee you, I wouldn't have seen it.   Donald Best  54:45 You know, it could have been sent days before or a month before so that they could have a discussion about the admissibility of the evidence or done it properly.   Will Dove  54:59 It should have been either, can be delivered to her lawyer or sent directly to her lawyer.   Donald Best  55:04 Exactly. The circumstances are, you've charged this officer, if she loses this case, she's going to be fired. You've given her the notice. And the day of she's due to testify and don't forget, Professional Standards, the personnel are there in the courtroom because they're the prosecution team. So, of course, this was intimidating. Of course, it was upsetting to have a threat delivered to you just before you’re about to take the stand. Can you imagine? Once again, this is all intimidation, isn't it?   Will Dove  55:54 Now, you've just said something that's triggered another question in my mind, because yes, you're right that, of course, the Professional Standards team is there. That's the prosecution. They're the ones who are going after her. This letter was sent to her by those people. She gets it on…   Donald Best  56:09 By the unit commander.   Will Dove  56:11 Yes, by the unit commander, but is he not - my question is, was he in the courtroom?   Donald Best  56:17 No.   Will Dove  56:19 Bet just his officers. Okay.   Donald Best  56:21 But the prosecutor made comments on the record that led me to believe that she had pre-knowledge of the email.   Donald Best  56:34 So, whatever it is…   Will Dove  56:37 My conclusion would be, this was a coordinated event.   Donald Best  56:40 Yes, then it's designed to intimidate. You leave it until moments before someone testified? Yes. Designed to intimidate a witness.   Will Dove  56:49 So, it’s not just, this wasn't just sloppiness. Someone was instructed to do this, 30 minutes before she was supposed to be on the stand. And at least some of the people who were in the know of those instructions were in that courtroom, on the prosecution team?   Donald Best  57:03 I believe so. I believe so. Yeah. So…   Will Dove  57:10 I'm sorry, but it just, I keep forming this picture in my mind, because this just keeps getting more surreal. So now we've got the Professional Standards prosecution team sitting either in the courtroom or about to go in going, “Yeah, should be about now.”   Donald Best  57:26 I would think they knew that email that had got out. I believe, because of what the prosecutor said that she had pre-knowledge that had gone out. So, yeah.   Will Dove  57:40 I want to tie two things together here now before we move on, because we've just established probable, very probable collusion in this instance. And earlier, we talked about that with the phrase that was used by the officer and the same phrase used by the CBC.   Donald Best  57:57 Right.   Will Dove  58:00 Keep going, please.   Donald Best  58:01 Okay.   Will Dove  58:03 Because as you keep saying, “but there's more”.   Donald Best  58:06 But there's more. So, the defense lawyers stood up and complained to the trials officer, who is a retired police superintendent, he's not a judge. This is a tribunal. And we'll get to that in a moment. But in any event, as much as the superintendent tried to calm things down. The defense team said, “No, this is a criminal act. We're leaving now to report it as a crime. I am reporting a crime. I'm a lawyer. I'm an officer of the court. I am reporting this crime.” And so, they walked out of the community boardroom where this hearing was held to the front desk of the police station, and reported the crime. Now, later on, we heard that a private prosecution had been launched. Now, to me, that means that the police did not - either didn't take a report or didn't do an investigation or did an investigation and said nothing wrong. But what we do know was that the officer in charge of Professional Standards, he hasn't been seen at work since February.   Will Dove  59:28 Of this year?   Donald Best  59:29 Of this year. In other words, shortly after he committed this criminal act, he hasn't been seen at work. Someone else has taken over the unit.   Will Dove  59:42 What would your conjecture be on the reason for that?   Donald Best  59:46 Well, first of all, from what I heard, I believe in my professional opinion, he committed a criminal offense. Absolutely, he committed a criminal offense, intimidating witness, personally involved injustice for the hearing process. So, he's committed a crime. How can he stay in charge of the unit that is responsible for investigating police officers for crimes?   Will Dove  1:00:14 So, they're setting him up to take the fall?   Donald Best  1:00:17 No, I think they're protecting him. I think they're protecting him. And he's now off. Who knows why he's off. Is he off on medical leave? Is he off on some sort of extended stress related thing? Who knows? Or is he suspended? We don't know. What we know is he hasn't been in charge of that unit shortly after he committed that crime.   Donald Best  1:00:51 So, we also know that the Ottawa police didn't do anything with the complaint that was registered, because a private prosecution was then launched. But we don't know any more than that, right now. I’m telling you what we know.   Donald Best  1:01:08 So, this has been going on now for two and a half years. Now think, when Detective Grus started that investigation, because she wondered whether there is a connection between breastfeeding babies and mothers’ vaccine status and the unexplained deaths of the babies. Think of how much more we know now, two and a half years later, Detectives Grus was right. She was correct about everything.   Will Dove  1:01:44 And you may have viewed this isn't exactly to do with SIDS deaths. But we finally, after all this time, have a major scientific journal that has published a paper proving a link between injuries in the COVID vaccines, the British Medical Journal just two weeks ago, it's finally starting to come out. It can’t be ignored anymore.   Donald Best  1:02:05 With the evidence, absolutely.   Will Dove  1:02:08 And you're making this good point which those of us who are in the independent journalism are telling people this for over three years now, but now we finally have this starting to come out in mainstream. And they're still persecuting this woman?   Donald Best  1:02:22 Yes. I believe the reason that they charged her was to do two things. One, shut down her investigation, and they did order it stopped. But the other is to deter any other police officers, right across Canada from watching similar investigations. And it worked very well. It worked very well. It’s unfortunate, that it seems that we have police officers who lack the courage and integrity to launch an investigation that everybody knows should be launched. There are different levels of the investigation that should be launched, investigations into fraud.   Will Dove  1:03:11 And I know, some ex-police officers myself, ex in the last few years. And they'll tell me, there are still some good officers on the force. But what happened with all those COVID mandates, when they told them you take the shots, or you're fired. Well, if they had any integrity, they took option number two. So, they have succeeded in largely urging the police departments of the ethical conscientious officers who would look into something like this. Who is left? The ones who comply with whatever they're told to do.   Donald Best  1:03:51 That's what happened right across the board, in medicine, in law, in law enforcement, in the courts, they got rid of the critical thinkers. And then those who remain are compliant.   Will Dove  1:04:10 And if you're sufficiently skilled critical thinker, like Detective Grus, they'll crucify you.   Donald Best  1:04:16 Unless they've done. Now, things are happening. There are calls for investigations. Some police officers, serving police officers are making efforts to launch an investigation. I know in South Africa has launched; the police there have launched an investigation. They just can't hide the bodies and the injuries anymore.   Will Dove  1:04:39 No, you're right, they can't. Interestingly enough, this week, I also interviewed Steve Kirsch. I don't know if you know who Steve Kirsch is. So yeah, and he's made a small fortune in tech years ago. He's a co-creator of the optical mouse. He was on the team that developed email, and he made a lot of money from his patents and such. So, when the whole COPE narrative started, he was very philanthropic and he bought the whole narrative. But he did invest money into early treatments, early effective treatments. Over time, he eventually got enough information to understand that, okay, either the people who were talking about all of the deaths and injuries, were lying to him or somebody else was.   Will Dove  1:05:22 And he started looking into all of this data. And it didn't take him very long to do an about face. And of course, as you know, for the last couple of years now, he has been analyzing data. He's been into surveys, he's been firsthand studies, he's been paying for third parties to do studies. And it's starting to pile up, as you say, it's starting to get to the point where this coordinated effort on those of us who have been telling the truth is getting to a point where they just can't hide it anymore, because there's so much of it. The reason why I got into Steve Kirsch though was very recently, both between an independent data that he looked at in his own survey of about 10,000 followers discovered that the severe injury rate for the shots and by severe injury rate may mean they had to go to the hospital, which doesn't necessarily mean they were in great distress, but it requires some kind of medical attention, 8%. Now, isn't that high? You can't hide that for very long.   Donald Best  1:06:26 They're doing a masterful job of doing newspaper articles telling you what's going to cause a heart attack now. Standing up will cause a heart attack. Sitting down, mowing your lawn, saying hello on the street. Oh, the list goes on.   Will Dove  1:06:44 I don't know if you had it out there in Ontario, but here in Calgary a couple of years ago, there were signs on the sides of the buses saying children have strokes too. I was a paramedic 40 years ago. No, I'd never heard of a child having a stroke.   Will Dove  1:07:00 It doesn't happen.   Donald Best  1:07:03 My family lost a beautiful 18-year-old girl. Stroke.   Will Dove  1:07:14 Yeah. 18-year-old girls don't just have strokes. That doesn't happen.   Donald Best  1:07:20 I believe that's the first teenager that I've ever known to have a stroke. I mean in my whole life. My whole life I never met a teenager that had a stroke. Maybe there must have been a couple.   Will Dove  1:07:37 Well, that's very much emergency medicine. It's what I studied. It’s what I did. Not for very long, it was only a paramedic for about a year. I can tell you I never heard of young people having strokes. It doesn't happen.   Donald Best  1:07:59 So anyway, that whole point is just to say when Detective Grus started her investigation, December of 2021. And when she was ordered to stop in January, and no further investigation has been done by the Ottawa police or any other police in Canada that I'm aware of, we're two and a half years down the road from that. And the tsunami of evidence is there. Detective Grus is right. And yet they keep persecuting her.   Will Dove  1:08:37 So, Donald, we're sitting here, recording this mid-June, it might be a couple of weeks before it's out. At this point in time, where is the case? What is the status of things for Helen?   Donald Best  1:08:51 Detective Grus, her defense, she started it and she's on the stand. And for five days, ending just couple of weeks ago, she was testified and then was cross examined and then ran out of time, the court ran out of time. So now they're looking at scheduling her. I've heard November or December for the trial to continue.   Will Dove  1:09:22 And of course, she's still suspended in the meantime.   Donald Best  1:09:25 No, she was brought back to working October of 2022, because she’s just a darn good cop. And so, they put her back. They put her in robbery, but she's not allowed to have anything to do with any sudden death investigation, COVID vaccines, anything like that. So, they keep being quiet, except she filed an affidavit during the hearing and we can - those of us in the independent media are following those, we can just hardly wait to see what's in this affidavit. And we'll see.   Will Dove  1:10:09 I know that you're following this more closely than I am. You're closer, not just geographically, but professionally. When you find out, please do me a favor and send me an email. Because if it's in any way significant, I do a weekly news show. I'll report on it in the news.   Donald Best  1:10:29 Okay. Now, there's one more thing we haven't covered today. I discovered through my investigations, that personnel from the Public Health Agency of Canada interfered and influence the Ottawa police in their investigation of Detective Grus, starting in March of 2022 and then continuing throughout the trial.   Will Dove  1:10:58 Interfered in what way?   Donald Best  1:11:01 Well, here's where I'm going to watch what I say in this way, there is a publication ban. I'm not allowed to say the names of any of the babies. And if the deceased babies or their family members, any of the evidence that came up in court. So, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to respect that. But because I did my own investigations outside of court, and I recorded them all, and place them on my website, the information is there. And it was done without violating the publication ban at the time, because I didn't know.   Donald Best  1:11:50 So, what happened is this. One of the nine mothers of the deceased infant has published research with the Public Health Agency of Canada. And the grandmother is a senior scientific manager. And don't forget the Public Health Agency of Canada. And the committee's that she's on she's written about Ovid, the grandmother, and they're responsible for advising on the approval, the mandating, the distribution and the purchase of the vaccines. So, we have a situation where the grandmother and the mother are big on vaccines. And I think they're having a real tough time facing that that might have been a cause because the baby was breastfed. And   Donald Best  1:13:07 So those two communicated with the Ottawa police by writing. We know, I'm sorry, we know the mother communicated by writing. But we also know that the grandmother and how I found out about this was during the fall of 2022, the hearing was broadcast on the internet, by a Microsoft Teams. And you could see everyone's name, who was there, listening to it, or watching it online. And I saw this name. And it said, Public Health Agency of Canada. So, she did it with her Public Health Agency of Canada account on duty during the day, and I presume from her office, but you know, could have been anywhere, but that's how and I look agency, the Public Health Agency of Canada.   Donald Best  1:14:06 So, I called up to the doctor, I'm sorry, the grandmother. And I had a talk. I recorded that call. The transcript is published on my website. She told me it was over a personnel matter. And within minutes, the mother called me. She's a lawyer. I recorded that call and she said she was recording the call to. Well, okay, that's fine. I recorded the call. And it's all there on my website. And it's a sad situation. It's terribly a sad situation. But she doesn't know why the child died. It was thought that perhaps it was meningitis, but that was eliminated. And so, she was very, very upset when she was given the wrong information. She was told that Detective Grus violated privacy in the parental privacy. She was told that Detective Grus went to the coroner's office, she read that in the CBC articles. So, she was very upset. But personally, I don't know how. I mean, think about it, trying to reconcile the fact that you took the vax, you push the vax, your family was responsible for maybe the decisions to purchase mandate, approve, and then your own breastfed baby dies without an explanation.   Will Dove  1:15:51 And then subsequently, she discovers that Detective Grus is not guilty of any of the things she's been accused of, and was in fact trying to discover why her child died.   Donald Best  1:16:01 Well, I suppose she knows that.   Will Dove  1:16:05 I guess with all those years, I would hope that that's an extra helping of guilt.   Donald Best  1:16:13 I feel very sorry for her, and the family of course.   Will Dove  1:16:20 I feel sorry for her child. I have a hard time thinking of what happened to them.   Donald Best  1:16:25 I know. I understand. But you can't help but feel sorry her and the family. Any family who loses a child? Yes, I feel sorry for them. But I'd also like to see the people, the Public Health Agency of Canada and Health Canada and all the pharmaceutical companies, all the Big Pharma, the people who knew and approved and mandated and stuck it into human arms, this experimental emergency approved only vaccine that they knew was deadly. I want those people held accountable. I would like to see police officers do their duty. But what they've done to Detective Grus $350,000 later, and if she's convicted, she might lose her job. And they've stopped this investigation.   Will Dove  1:17:32 Of course, more mothers will line up with the injections, and more child will die because they didn't know the truth.   Donald Best  1:17:40 That's exactly what's going to happen. And it's still happening. And I mean, the evidence that's come forward. I mean, some people now years later, seem to be okay, let's saw we’re permanently damaged. And everybody, I think who took these genetic treatments. And of course, we know that a court in California just ruled that they weren't vaccines, I think you've probably picked up on that. That took these genetic treatments wondering if they have a ticking time bomb in them?   Will Dove  1:18:16 Well, and sadly, the answer is probably yes. You're probably aware of Dr. William Makis, here in Alberta. He’s been tracking the deaths. And despite the fact of course, in the last couple of years vaccine uptake has been way down, the death rate is still accelerating.   Donald Best  1:18:35 Yes. And the fertility rate is dropped off the edge of a cliff everywhere, across the world. Mostly in the country.   Will Dove  1:18:43 We don’t have actual numbers yet for how many women have been sterilized. Well, not just women, perhaps men too were sterilizing in each shot. And it’s huge. And yes, it is a ticking time - and I said I didn't feel sorry for those particular people who are part of Public Health Canada. I do feel sorry for the millions of Canadians who were lied to and coerced into taking these shots and are now suffering the consequences for it. It's absolutely horrific. I did an interview very recently with Dr. Peter McCullough, it's going to be released, I believe, later this week.   Will Dove  1:19:20 And we were talking about the cumulative damage that comes from the shots. And it was interesting. And Dr. McCullough, a lot of people don't know this, he's still a practicing physician. He has many patients in his practice who are vaccine injured. And of course, I've been doing this for a living now for several years being an independent journalist and mostly a lot of it on the COVID narrative. So, I've talked to a lot of experts. Neither of us knows or even knows through someone else anyone who has had more than five shots.   Will Dove  1:19:55 Now there's places where the official mandated number of shots is up to ten. We don't know anybody who's had more than five. Why? Well, the good news is a lot of us - because people got one or two instead of not taking any more. But there's the other side of it. Anybody who's taken more than five is probably dead.   Donald Best  1:20:18 We have another woman on our family, 60 years old, beautiful woman, great person, beautiful inside, and on her third jab. She had never had a health problem in her life. On her third job, she didn't feel well in a few weeks. And she was dead by turbo cancer within eight months, throughout her entire body. You can't convince me that that wasn't a direct causative factor.   Will Dove  1:20:57 You know, you probably know Dr. Makisa. He's not just been tracking all this. He's an expert in treating cancer. He's had one of the most advanced treatments in the world until Trudeau Government took it away from him in 2015. And he's recorded cases of turbo cancers, so aggressive, that diagnosis to death was measured in hours. Unheard of in cancer literature. Cancer researchers around the world who don't understand what's going on, are tearing their hair out. They can understand what's going on. They’ve never seen this before.   Donald Best  1:21:34 Yep. So here we are. And the very, the very institutions, the very people who swore oaths to protect us have abandon us. If they're not complicit by their silence.   Will Dove  1:21:56 Yes. And you were also an independent journalist, you also spent a lot of time looking into this. And I think, you know, we get kind of inoculated to it, because we do have to look into it all the time. And yet there are still times like this interview.   Will Dove  1:22:18 Almost like no one can’t take.   Donald Best  1:22:20 You know, I'm so disappointed in my profession. For years, we were on a slippery slope. We started out principles, community-based policing, the police of the community, the community is the police. We gave the officers autonomy and discretion.   Donald Best  1:22:47 And we set up all that so that the police would not come under the operational control of the power of our city, outside agendas. But for years, and I'm talking over a period of decades, we saw the police transitioning to what's effectively an occupying army. But when the COVID response came into being, there was like they just threw a switch into overdrive. We had police officers, brutalized, just like thugs, utilizing Canadians who did no more than want to watch their son play hockey while unvaccinated. We had police officers all across Canada and I saw, there were five videos and photographic evidence of this, arresting visibly pregnant women, 7, 8, 9 months pregnant, handcuffing them behind their backs. That is just a no, no. You just don't do that. You don't handcuff pregnant women. When you handcuff people, especially behind the back, you have to hold them up because they'll trip. We're used to swing our arms. We have a balance, a sense of balance. To be handcuffed behind your back is to become vulnerable.   Donald Best  1:24:19 And one of the first things I learned in use of force 101, was unless she stabbed somebody or shot somebody or is a danger to everyone around her, you never handcuff a pregnant woman, especially in back. And we saw police thugs, handcuffing pregnant women behind their backs in front of their sobbing, screaming, terrified children for the offense of watching their son play hockey while unvaccinated or pushing their three-year-old on a swing in a closed park in Quebec City, for walking down the street out in the open without wearing a facemask. We saw all of this brutality. And we also saw the police paying favorites. Black Lives Matter. Look, whether you like Black Lives Matter or not, I don't care for the purpose of this conversation, except that they were violating the COVID regulations when they marched in Toronto. And what happened? The chief of police and other officers knelt with them to show support.   Will Dove  1:25:39 But if you were out protesting the violations of our rights under the COVID mandates.   Donald Best  1:25:45 Or if you're in Adamson's barbecue, and you just want to serve some sandwiches, they set the Toronto mounted unit there and really pushed around, trampled the customers, surrounded the place with 100 officers while the liquor store was open across the street, and Walmart was open a block that way and Costco was open a block that way but only small businesses. They got rid of them. But they left the big corporations, Will.   Will Dove  1:26:18 They did.   Donald Best  1:26:20 The police arrested pastors at gunpoint for preaching the Word, you know, preaching about God, about Jesus, they arrested these pastors all over the country. Once again, they should have held their church meetings at the liquor store. Liquor store was open. They see these churches, put fences around them. It’s just insanity that these police officers did this, obeyed these orders.