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Dr. Mark Trozzi of Ontario and Dr. Charles Hoffe of British Columbia have had parallel experiences in the past five years. Both put their patients and their medical ethics first, writing vaccine exemptions and alerting their colleagues to the clear dangers of the COVID vaccines. And both were persecuted by their respective colleges.
And yet, they had very different outcomes. In January, an Ontario appeal court upheld the revocation of Dr. Trozzi's medical license by the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons and ordered him to pay $95,000 in court costs. In February, facing a similar hearing, the BC College dropped all charges against Dr. Hoffe.
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He retains his license. In this interview with Drs. Trozzi and Hoffe, the reason for their very different outcomes will become clear.
The medical establishments in our country, the medical colleges, our public health offices, and our governments, those who have pushed this poisonous agenda on the public, are terrified of having the claim that the vaccines are safe and effective examined by a just court. Mark, Charles, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having us.
It's good to see you. Thank you, Will. Both of you have been persecuted for telling people the truth about the vaccines, for standing up for medical ethics, for doing your job.
And yet, we had very different outcomes. Mark, your license has been revoked, not just suspended, revoked by the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons. Charles, you had the charges dropped recently and still have a license.
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And so today, we're going to explore why this played out differently in the two provinces and what conclusions we draw from that. So for the viewers who may not be familiar with your stories, I'm going to ask the two of you to give a summary, a timeline of what happened with this persecution from the point at which you stood up and said, hey, wait a minute, these are not safe and effective, and people should not be taking them. And Charles, I'm going to ask you to go first.
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Yes, certainly. So the summary, I first got into trouble in March of 2021, which was the third month of the vaccine rollout for alerting my colleagues who were in my area. These were people who were actually giving the shots.
These were doctors, nurses, and pharmacists. And I sent a group email to these people, alerting them to the safety signal of the AstraZeneca shot, which had then at that point been shut down by 12 countries in Europe. And Trudeau had ordered a vast amount for Canadians and said it was fine for Canadians and they just needed to be getting it as fast as possible.
So I sent an email to my colleagues saying that there was a serious safety signal and just letting them know that there was a personal accountability issue, that if you're giving any medical product to people without informed consent, that you are putting yourself at risk because an informed consent is a legal requirement for any medical procedure. So somebody in that group sent that email to the regional health authority, who then sent it to the college. And I was given a gag order and told I was not allowed to say anything negative about these shots.
And I wasn't allowed to, I should not be communicating with my colleagues about them, that if I had any questions, I needed to address the medical health officer in charge of the vaccine rollout. So I then started seeing very alarming safety signals in my own patients who had all received Moderna. And so I sent a letter to that medical health officer asking what the mechanism of injury was and how I treat this, because I didn't even know what the diagnosis was.
I had never seen anything like this before. And obviously, this is a therapy that's never been poured out upon humanity before. So we didn't know what to call these problems that were arising, and they were all neurological problems.
And that letter was sent to the college as a complaint. And of course, I got no answers. So I then sent an open letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry, who was our provincial health officer, asking her the same questions and asking her whether it was ethical to continue this vaccine rollout in view of the safety signals.
And this too was sent to the college as a complaint. The response of the college to my letter, and so I was in a unique position because I was in a small community where I knew how many people had been vaccinated. And I was able to, and obviously, it was a huge underestimate because I wasn't checking out every patient that had been injected.
I only knew about some of the vaccine injuries. And so based on what I knew, I was able to give a rate of vaccine injuries in my community, which was like the cruise ship at the beginning of the pandemic, where they knew how many people were infected or exposed, and they knew how many people died. And you've got a limited sample, so you can give numbers.
So I sent this to the college. Their response was to send a warning letter to every single doctor across BC, warning them that if anyone spoke misinformation about COVID or the COVID vaccines, that they would be investigated and of necessary discipline. So I suppose the next thing that happened was when they approved these shots for children down to six months of age, and I knew that everyone knew that COVID was, or they should have known, that COVID was almost zero risk to healthy children, almost zero risk.
And this shot had broken all records for the most harmful medical procedure ever. And we knew from the Pfizer biodistribution studies that the ovaries are one of the top four organs where these spike proteins end up. There was no benign explanation for wanting to inject the children and for forcing university students and school students to have these shots to protect them against the disease that posed almost no risk to them.
And there was no benefit because it didn't stop you getting COVID. It didn't stop you spreading COVID and you weren't at risk from COVID. So I realized that this was a population reduction strategy.
There was no other explanation because when eggs are damaged in the ovaries, they cannot be replaced. Women don't make new eggs. They come from the womb with all of the eggs they'll ever have.
And if you can, with spike proteins or whatever other toxins, wipe out some of their eggs, they will have reduced fertility. So I went on a series of speaking tours around BC and into Alberta and into Saskatchewan. And this really antagonized the college because I was not complying with my gag order and I was alerting the public to this huge safety signal.
And so I then, so the college then issued a citation against me where they basically told me that I was, they'd obviously completed their investigation and they said that they were appointing a disciplinary panel to try me essentially. And by the grace of God, the first two court dates were adjourned for various reasons, by which time I realized that trying to use constitutional grounds of freedom of speech and that sort of thing just didn't work anymore. The constitution seemed to have no teeth.
And so that I needed to find a lawyer who was an expert in medical legal things. And so I found a lawyer in southern BC called Lee Turner, who had been a personal injury lawyer before this and had had some success defending other healthcare professionals and seemed to have a very good understanding of how the colleges worked. And I thought that he would be a good man for the job.
And so he then assembled basically an all-star team. He basically assembled eight world experts, each to deal with each of the specific areas of accusation against me. And when we submitted the expert testimonies of these eight people, which amounted to almost a thousand pages of brilliant scientific evidence, the evidence of harm, the college's response was immediately to apply for judicial notice.
And so just for your viewers to understand how trials in these colleges work, the college has their team of lawyers. And in my case, by that point, they had seven lawyers working to take me down. And then of course, I have my lawyer.
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They have huge financial resources. Mine are extremely limited. But between these two lawyers is this judicial, sorry, the disciplinary panel.
So this disciplinary panel of people who work for the college. They are paid by the college. They are picked by the college.
So obviously, this is not an impartial group. The college, if the college wants to discipline somebody, they're not going to choose random people. They choose people who they think will fulfill the task that they want to fulfill.
So I wasn't expecting justice. And these are the reasons why these colleges almost never lose a case. If you pick the jury, it changes things.
And of course, they have huge resources. And so when they make this application for judicial notice, this was a huge issue because they were desperately trying to bury the evidence. And for those of your listeners who may not be familiar with what judicial notice is, when a court grants judicial notice to something, they are basically saying that whatever the facts are that they grant judicial notice to are irrefutable.
So of course, the first of the facts of the college was that the shots are safe and effective. So if they were to grant judicial notice to the fact that these shots are safe and effective, which has been done, I believe, I'm not sure the exact numbers, but somewhere between 40 and 70 times in this pandemic, in various different circumstances, where they said the fact that Health Canada approved these shots means they're safe and effective. So we will grant judicial notice to that.
And you therefore cannot give any evidence that contradicts that because that is declared irrefutable. And so if this disciplinary panel of five people had granted judicial notice to the facts of the college, I would not have been able to defend myself. I would not have been able to give any evidence of the safety signals.
None of the expert testimonies of any of my witnesses could have been submitted as court documents. And none of them would be able to testify. So this was the real turning point of whether or not this disciplinary panel would grant judicial notice.
I'm a Christian, and I pray a lot. And the Bible says, love your enemies and pray for those that persecute you. And I have prayed for those members of the disciplinary panel so much.
They have no idea that for four years they've been prayed for. And I prayed that they would turn out to be just and truthful and honourable people. That was my prayer, that they would turn out to be righteous people.
And they did. They did. And the fact that they did not grant judicial notice to this changed everything.
And once the college could no longer bury the evidence, well, the next thing they did was to schedule the trial at a time when my lawyer couldn't be present. And they did that twice. And each time I complained, they said, well, you just need to get another lawyer.
And when I objected to that, so I mean, they have tried every evil tactic that you can think of. And I've just given you the main ones. But when that… Let me clarify something, Charles, because we're talking about two different entities here.
We're talking about the college, and we're talking about the disciplinary panel. So when you talk about the court dates being set at a time when your lawyer was not available, may I assume that was at the request of the college's lawyers, not the disciplinary panel? There is a major stock market crash coming that will rival the crash of 1929. But there is a way to not only protect your wealth, but profit in the coming crash.
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