(0:00 - 0:17) For the past decade, our children have been the target of a concerted campaign by the trans movement. Kids are told that if they only transition, they will feel that they fit in. And their parents are told that their kids will kill themselves if they're not allowed to. (0:18 - 0:38) But both of these claims are outright lies. Fortunately, better informed people are now pushing back. And perhaps no organization has done so as effectively as Gays Against Groomers, an American anti-trans agenda movement launched in 2022 by founder Jaimee Michell. (0:39 - 1:31) So far, Gays Against Groomers has succeeded in having anti-trans legislation passed in no less than 22 states. Their website contains a wealth of truth about the trans agenda from news to scientific studies. And now, two books. One of them, titled Born Perfect: Jack's Story, was just released and is the first in a planned series of children's books written to push back against the trans agenda books which have infiltrated our school libraries. Jaimee began her campaign years ago when she became dismayed at the fact that the trans movement was effectively hijacking the pride movement to the extent that many gays today no longer use the pride flag as a symbol. It used to be a symbol of equal rights for consenting adults. (1:32 - 1:48) It has become, under the agenda of the trans movement, a symbol of the victimization of our children. Jaimee, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. (1:49 - 2:04) Jaimee, I'd like to start at the beginning. You launched Gays Against Groomers in 2022 and it's been growing rapidly since then. But before that, you were on social media and you had accrued 200,000 plus followers at the point in time at which you started Gays Against Groomers. (2:05 - 2:25) Obviously, you struck a chord with people. And so, these followers you were getting, what kind of interactions were you having with them and what sort of feedback were you getting? Are you talking about on my personal, the Gay Who Strayed or Gays Against Groomers? Yeah. Well, I started the Gay Who Strayed back in 2017 because I was a right-wing lesbian. (2:25 - 2:59) So, I came up with the name the Gay Who Strayed because most gay people are on the left and they're having a hard time getting off the Democrat plantation. So, I started that account to show that not all Trump supporters were straight white men because that was kind of a myth that was perpetrating down in the United States here and still kind of is. But I think this past election really showed people that actually, no, it's everybody from all walks of life support Trump and freedom and are not on the tyranny train. (3:00 - 3:18) So, yeah, I was grateful to be able to blow that up to over 200,000 followers within a few years. And it's funny, the story behind Gays Against Groomers, I was actually getting really burnt out from posting on the Gay Who Strayed. I felt like I wasn't making much of a dent anymore. (3:18 - 3:29) It was kind of just the same news and memes. And, you know, that was when our country was kind of going to hell with Biden and everything. I just felt burnt out from it. (3:29 - 3:42) I had been doing it for five years. And so, I was taking a bit of a break. And right around that time is when I started seeing these videos coming out of all these kids at drag shows and, you know, the pornographic filth in schools. (3:43 - 4:07) And worst of all, kids being sterilized and mutilated under the guise of, quote, unquote, gender affirming care. And I was like, you know what, I have this platform that I created. I have to try and do something about this, you know, because all of the gay people, all my gay friends and even trans people that I know in my real life, we were all very much against what was happening and being done to children in our name. (4:08 - 4:40) But there wasn't really a unified front of us to speak out and be vocal and make waves, basically, to combat the narrative that all of us support this. And I felt like gay people and, you know, people from inside the community speaking out would be very effective at stopping all of this because the woke mob, the gender cult, they're very easily able to shut down parents and just straight people in general, calling them homophobic, transphobic bigots when clearly they're not. But that's what they say in there. (4:40 - 4:56) They've they had a pretty good success rate of just shutting the conversation down. You know, people were scared to speak out. But we wanted to come along and show, like, actually, it's not homophobic or transphobic or anti anything to be pro child safety and protection. (4:57 - 5:10) And yeah, I mean, we grew, we grew so quickly. I was not expecting that at all. I thought maybe in, you know, six months to a year, we'd have like five or ten thousand followers and maybe some little blog would write about us. (5:11 - 5:40) But three, three months after I started Gays Against Groomers, I was on Tucker Carlson on the biggest news show basically in the country, if not the world. And yeah, we were just playing catch up from the start, trying to keep up with the demand and just the movement's growth. And I think that just always, you know, to me showed how, how much people were yearning for voices from inside the community to speak out, you know, and join them in this fight. (5:42 - 6:24) Now, both with your original page, Gay Who Strayed and now with Gays Against Groomers, have you had much difficulty in, I suppose, educating the straight community to understand that, that no, you do not align with these LGBTQ+ people and their trans agenda? Well, I think, you know, the majority of the population really doesn't give it much thought. And a lot of people, you know, the backlash against our community and the support for LGBT people in America has been dropping drastically since this push to sexualize, indoctrinate, and mutilate children started happening. You know, because most people don't give it a second thought. (6:24 - 6:33) Excuse me, they see the pride flag. They see rainbow everywhere being shoved down your throats and now involving children. And they just think, wow, that's, that's absolutely toxic. (6:34 - 6:43) And it has to be like, I'm against it. Things went too far. So I think it was really important for us to come in and show like, actually, no, most of us are against it. (6:43 - 6:49) We just aren't, you know, we don't make the news. Well, Gays Against Groomers kind of does now. Actually, it does quite a lot. (6:50 - 7:04) But, you know, your average gay couple sitting at home going grocery shopping with their partner and watching Netflix at night, they don't make the news. You know, no one focuses on that. You just see the viral clips going around of the degeneracy and depravity being pushed on children. (7:06 - 7:23) And you've had to push back hard. Chris Baird, who either is or was your co-director of chapters, he publicly tore up a gay pride flag on camera. And this is just how strongly many gay people feel about this. (7:23 - 7:39) That it's not, I think the trans people, and being straight myself, you'll have to correct me if I'm getting some of this wrong. But it seems to me that the trans people who were sort of in the background for a long time, then they sort of jumped in with the gay pride movement. But now they're trying to hijack it. (7:40 - 7:45) Oh, yeah. Oh, 100%. Our community has been completely hijacked. (7:46 - 8:06) You know, the gay people, the gays are kind of at the bottom of the totem pole now in terms of like the oppression Olympics, like that the left loves to play. We're very low on that pole now. But yeah, the trans movement, you know, me personally, I've never understood why LGB and T were put together in the first place. (8:06 - 8:20) I think that being gay is completely separate from being trans. I have I always joke and say I have more in common with a straight man than I do a trans person. Because being gay is about who you love and being trans is about who you are or think you are. (8:20 - 8:58) And so, you know, yeah, without our consent, nobody asked me or any of us, any other gay normal gay people saying gay people that I know if we want to be lumped in with all this insanity, me being able to marry the person I love. I has no association with people who identify as trans wanting to cut their body up and take synthetic hormones and try and tell children that they were born in the wrong body. So it's been really upsetting, you know, and yeah, Chris, he's no longer with us, actually, but he did rip up that flag and we all feel that way because that flag doesn't represent us anymore. (8:58 - 9:16) It represents a hijacked movement that that we don't recognize and we want nothing to be a part of. Right now, it is an extremely insidious and damaging message that's being given to kids. And you said yourself, had you been born a couple of decades later, you might have been a victim of it. (9:16 - 10:01) Could you explain that, please? Not might have been. I know for a fact I would have been. You know, I am a tomboy. I was a tomboy my whole life. I always hated dresses. I love playing sports. I didn't want to, you know, do tea parties and Barbies weren't my thing. Like I liked getting all scruffed up outside and and playing in the mud and stuff. And, you know, that was fine. I loved my childhood and it was innocent and I figured out who I was all on my own. But, you know, now the thing about gender ideology, ideology and the trans movement, it is so regressive. It is telling it is basically reinforcing these rigid gender stereotypes that the gay and lesbian community has kind of been working to dismantle. (10:02 - 10:39) Because, you know, most gay people are a bit gender nonconforming. You know, like I currently still and always have worn men's clothes. This is a men's jacket. I don't wear women's clothes. But had I grown up a few decades later, my school, the media, social media, all would have been telling me that, oh, actually, you're a boy. You were meant to be a boy. And if my parents bought into it, bought into the insanity, they would have put me on the path of medical transitioning and I would have been a big pharma patient for life. I'd be missing body parts. And the truth is, I've never for a single day in my life wanted to be a boy or a man. (10:39 - 10:55) That thought's never crossed my mind. You know, there there is no wrong way to be a boy or a girl or a woman or a man. And gender ideology and the trans movement is teaching children that there is something wrong with them because they don't fit into these rigid stereotypes. (10:56 - 11:08) And it's just it scares me and it horrifies me. And that's why all of us in Gays Against Groomers take this so personally and so seriously, because we are these kids. We could have been these kids if we were born just a little later. (11:09 - 12:04) Before we start talking about the trans movement and how it's affecting the kids, I wanted to talk about the parents, because I think you have some insights on that. We've got parents, usually moms, bringing their kids to these trans events, to the drag queen shows. What is going through their heads? Yeah, it's really disturbing. And we're trying to get through to them. Like, I think that they think that they have to do this as a way to show that they are inclusive and tolerant and all the woke buzzwords. You know, I think that I think these woke progressive moms, their kryptonite is anybody thinking that they are bigoted in any way, even a little bit. Right. So they like go to the extremes to kind of show that they're not. And, you know, it's because kids are now allowed at pride and they see drag queens with kids. (12:04 - 12:32) It all comes back to the parents, though, if they would say, no, none of this would be happening. But our society has made it seem like this is acceptable and this is normal. And this is how, you know, you teach inclusivity and acceptance. And it's not. There are many other ways to do that, especially in the school system. Like, I always say that the extent of teaching children anything about gay or trans or anything, the furthest it has to go is some families look different than yours. (12:32 - 13:45) And that's OK. You know, some some girls like different things than you and that's OK. And vice versa for boys. Right. Like it's that's the kids. Kids don't need to have these complex ideas shoved down their throats and pushed on them. And yeah, for the parents, it's just it's it's really hard to see. But I think more people are waking up to it. And I think the case against groomers has had a big hand in that. And, you know, see things that we should be. Yeah, I think we see things trending in the right direction. But we you know, it it's awful to see them do this. I don't I don't think all parents that do this are bad people. I think many of them are misinformed and lied to. You know, they the propaganda. I don't know how it is in Canada, but down here with our media and just, you know, society and celebrities, it is strong. It is hard to break free from for some people. And so really kind of teaching them that this isn't the way you go to go about it. We as gays and lesbians and bisexual people and even transgender people, this isn't how we want you to act to teach acceptance. Like it's please you're going too far. This isn't how you do it. (13:45 - 14:15) And of course, you've had some trans people who have joined your movement. They're disgusted with this as well. So it seems to me, Jaimee, that this is not really a gender identity issue. This is a victimization of kids issue. Yeah, exactly. It's not it's not it's right versus wrong. Basically, it's not it's it's really that simple. You can't you can't do this to children. The red line has always been kids like, you know, you don't go after people's kids. (14:15 - 19:22) You don't try and corrupt children. But that line has been severely crossed. And now you see the backlash happening against our community. And, you know, just the society as a whole. The pendulum is swinging back. Right. And we want to try and prevent it from swinging too far back. That's why it's so important for us to tell people and let people know that it's not all of us. And it's actually the majority of us who oppose it. And as far as the trans people in Gays Against Groomers goes, yeah, you know, it's so funny. Our Wikipedia even calls us an anti LGBT far right extremist organization. It's just so crazy. I mean, every single person in our organization is either LGB or T. But we include them for those who want to join because, you know, we're our plan of action is just going about this in the most effective way as possible to end it as fast as we can. And, you know, trans people have the lived personal experience of what transitioning entails and the hardships it brings and the true reality of what goes into all of that, more so than even we as gay people do. I mean, like I said, I have nothing in common with trans people. I can't speak to that. So we feel like letting their voices speak out against the transitioning part can often hold more weight than even ours. So that's, you know, that's why we do it. We're just a big coalition trying to do the right thing and make it all end as fast as possible. We were talking earlier about the parents who are taking their kids to these drag shows and such and why they're doing this. If you could sit down with one of those parents and assuming they would actually listen to you, what would you say to them? I would say that just what I was telling you earlier, I would say this, you know, this isn't how you teach tolerance or acceptance. This is actually abusive. This is introducing your children to sexual concepts and themes. And it's scarring. It's actually damaging and hurting them. I would just say, you know, look, you can tell your child to just treat. I mean, back to the golden rule, basically, that we all grew up with. Treat people how you want to be treated. Right. Like everybody deserves respect. Some families look different and that's OK. Like these are conversations parents should be having with their children when at an age appropriate time. And it really is no place to introduce strangers into the equation and have their children around such raunchy and sexually explicit things. I mean, you know, all of this used to be common sense up until it feels like five minutes ago. But I would just tell the parents, like, you know, there are other ways to go about this. You don't have to do this to appease us or to make us think that, you know, you're OK with gay and trans people. This isn't the way to do it. So you've got a lot of great information on your website. You've got a blog, of course. You have news. You've got studies that you've published. You've got two books. I'm going to talk about those later. But right now, I'd like to talk a little bit about the science and the statistics and the actual facts, because I'm sure that you know them off the top of your head. Let's start with the one that the trans movement likes to throw out there all the time, which I happen to know is completely false. The idea that children who are not allowed to transition are at a higher risk of suicide. What are the actual statistics? Yeah, that's completely untrue. Pretty much like everything they say. It actually, you know, the the suicidality does not decrease. It is shown does not decrease after somebody transitions, especially a young person, because it's really a bandaid, you know, like you can't you you can't put a bandaid over a deep inside wound and expect it to heal. The issue is a mental health issue. And often other other things that they're dealing with that they aren't ready to explore just yet. And so they think that that will fix it. But no, that's that's not true. And it has been proven in numerous studies now that it basically has the opposite effect. It doesn't change a child. It doesn't it doesn't improve the mental health of a child. I mean, maybe very rarely, but more often than not, it doesn't. And it does the exact opposite. Now, and I want to talk about that a little bit, because recently I interviewed detransitioners, Kellie-Lynn Pirie and Faith Groleau. And what came out of that interview was a very clear picture that what has happened in recent years is that proper psychiatric care, mental health care has been replaced with transgenderism. It's the band-aid, as you said, that they slap on everything. And as somebody who would have been very susceptible to this yourself, had you come along 20 years later, what do you think of that? Yeah, I think that it's really terrifying to see that the whole medical institution has been corrupted by this gender ideology and the rush to affirm like the first step for all of these therapists and psychiatrists and doctors now seem to be, you know, affirm first, deal with other issues later when it has always been and should be, you know, you really address what's actually going on. (19:22 - 22:07) But, you know, that doesn't always make as much money, you know, putting a kid on some pills, you know, some antidepressants or something. While that makes the big pharma industry money, it doesn't make nearly as much as setting a kid up as a permanent lifelong patient, you know, getting numerous surgeries and having to take hormones for the rest of their lives. I think that the price tag for one person transitioning throughout their, you know, their whole life, which it's a very common misconception. I think that trans is like a noun. Trans is a verb that never ends. It's not a thing. It's a process. You are not trans. You are always transitioning. It doesn't stop. And if you stop taking the hormones, like you're not going to be trans anymore because that's not natural. But yeah, it doesn't make as much money, essentially. And I think that's kind of the one of the top two motivations behind this push to transition children. The other being pedophilia, normalizing pedophilia. I truly believe that. And I can expand on that a bit as to why. So, and let's talk about that for a minute. The pedophilia and something else that came out of my interview with Kelly that in faith was autogynophilia, which if this is to explain it very simply, this is men who get turned on by the idea of essentially being women. It's not an identity thing. It's a sexual fetish thing. And this is also very much part of this trans agenda. And what's that doing when that gets inserted into the place of proper psychiatric care? Another interview that I did some time ago, and I'm having a hard time not remembering the name of the gentleman, but he's somebody who's in the US who's done a lot of research on this. You probably know who I'm talking about better than I can remember because it's been a while. But he calls the people who are behind all of this, the dirty dozen plus one. There's 13 of these people who are very much behind this trans movement. Two of them are convicted sex offenders. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I mean, yeah. So, so going back to, I think, a motivation for this whole movement being pedophilia, you know, if a child can consent to something as severe and extreme as becoming, you know, sterilizing themselves with drugs or cutting their healthy body parts off, what can't a child consent to? And you couple that, you pair that with the push to include, you know, raunchy drag performances for kids in the pornographic literature. It's hard to even call it literature, but the pornographic books in schools, introducing them to concepts that they are far too young for. (22:07 - 22:44) I think that, yeah, I think that that's where this is all headed. And if you look into the history of queer theory, it was basically started and conjured up by pedophiles. Like, it's not a joke. Like, that's really who these people were. And so I think that it's very insidious and has always been a slow burn pushing us towards that direction. And it's really unfortunate that it's happening, that we're being associated with it. I mean, really, it's the worst thing. And that's why we're fighting so hard on top of just trying to protect these kids. It's hurting all of us. (22:44 - 23:29) But yeah, the autogynephilia, that's a real thing. I don't think people really understand that who aren't completely tapped into this movement. Like the trans facade, it's not really an identity for so many people. I would venture to say, you know, a very high percentage of people, men who identify as trans, it is a fetish for them, you know, and it's very disturbing. And it needs to be addressed and taken more seriously instead of just, you know, lumping them all into this one community when they're really just fetishists. And I want to talk about that a little bit. Yeah, you're right. There is a difference, I think. Not always, but we could say in a generalization, there's a difference between the reasons why men transition, the reasons why women transition. (23:29 - 24:44) As we've just discussed, there's the pedophilia, the autogynephilia among them, and not all of them, of course, some of them genuinely probably identify as women. But among women, that doesn't seem to be the case. When I spoke with Kellie-Lynn and Faith, it was very much a, they felt out of place. And of course, when they went to talk to somebody about that, what they got given was this transgender band-aid, which was absolutely the wrong thing to do. So as a woman yourself, who would have been susceptible to this, where do you think that we're getting inside, especially of our young girls' heads? Well, I think a lot of the victims of trans ideology are, first of all, they're autistic. A lot of them would just grow up to be gay, but a lot of them are victims of sexual abuse. And I think for girls, for young girls, the idea of not being feminine and not being attractive to predators like they had been, you know, that they had been victimized by. I think that's pretty appealing for a lot of girls to kind of mask who they are with a more male identity. And yeah, it's really sick because this movement, this transgender movement, gender ideology, it targets the most vulnerable. (24:44 - 25:24) It already targets the most vulnerable by just targeting children, but it targets the most vulnerable children of the child youth population. People who have gone through trauma, who are mentally ill with other issues, or who are just gay, right? It's like they're trying to kind of, we always say trans the gay away because that's what's happening. I mean, Tomboy, one of our main hashtags and campaigns that we always use is Save the Tomboys because butch women, butch lesbians, and just more androgynous women, they're totally disappearing. (25:24 - 27:45) Like in this new generation coming up, it's not really a thing anymore. And if somebody, you know, one of our members, her name is Mickey, she's a tomboy. And so she'll post, she's a content creator. So she posts all these videos really discussing these kinds of things. And her comments are always flooded with young people saying, oh, you're just a trans dude, like, just accept it. It's like, no, actually, you can be a butch woman, you can be an androgynous woman. And it goes back to putting these people, putting more gender nonconforming youth and people into these rigid boxes that, you know, we as gays and lesbians have been trying to kind of dissolve for a very long time. And it feels like this trans movement almost overnight has come back and built that all back up. And it's just, it's devastating to see. And, you know, it's heartbreaking to see these young girls and effeminate boys as well going, being lied to and confused by all of this. Instead of being given time to, well, grow up and find out who they really are. Yeah, I mean, I don't know anybody who would want to live forever with a choice, with something they thought they wanted at 13, 14, 15, you know, like, it's actually a horrifying thought. And that's what these adults who know better are making these children live with essentially for their whole lives. I mean, this, it is permanent. Puberty blockers are not just a pause, which is a common lie and misconception that the woke cult loves to parrot. It's not true. There are lasting lifelong ramifications and side effects. And it's just, it's completely abhorrent. And everybody involved in pushing this on children. If it were up to me, they'd all be in prison because it is child abuse. You know, child abuse is already illegal. And I think all of this needs to start being seen as exactly that. Earlier, you mentioned the link with autism and there is a strong link with autism. Can you expand on that? Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure why exactly, but kids that are autistic seem to be the most impacted by gender ideology and the most likely to be caught up in it and think that they're trans. I don't have much experience with autism myself. I don't, I don't, you know, I don't know any child that's autistic or have any in my life, but it is really disturbing. And I think it's because they are just, like I said, the most vulnerable. (27:45 - 28:29) You know, children are already trying to figure out who they are. They don't know their place in the world yet. Like, that's normal. They're growing and developing and learning more about themselves every day. But I think kids with autism have a much harder time doing that. I mean, growing up is hard. I think growing up autistic is definitely more challenging. And so when there's, they're looking also for a sense of community, I think, and this goes back to kind of being a social media contagion that spreads like wildfire. I think that there are, there's a really large group online of teens and older people speaking with these teens that it's like they're looking for a way to fit in somewhere where they belong. (28:30 - 28:52) All kids are, but I think with autism, it's with autistic children, it's, you know, even more intense of a feeling. So, yeah, I think that that probably has a lot to do with it as well. And I have my own theory about that. Autism is, of course, a spectrum, but everybody who is on the autism spectrum has something in common. They have a difficult time socializing. Yes, exactly. (28:52 - 29:13) Of course they feel out of place, even more out of place than most kids. Every kid at some point in their teen years feels like they don't fit in. So I think that's why they're targeting these autistic kids or perhaps not necessarily targeting, but why the autistic kids tend to be victims of this more often at a much higher rate than the kids who are not autistic. (29:14 - 31:04) But let's talk just before we move on to what your organization is doing, the practical steps you're taking. There's one more thing I wanted to talk about, and that's the puberty blockers. You've published a number of studies on your site about the damage of these puberty blockers. Could you give us some information on that, please? Yeah, well, as I was just mentioning earlier, a little bit ago, you know, the common misconception and lie that these gender activists push is that it's just a pause. It's totally reversible. And, you know, that's simply not true. More and more data is coming out. More and more studies are being done, sadly, because these drugs are being given to more and more children. But what we see is that there are serious health consequences and side effects involved. For instance, there is brain swelling. There is, I believe, vision impairment down the line. There is bone density loss. It damages the organs. You know, these drugs, puberty, it's such a nice little term, puberty blockers, right? That's what these people do. I want to also mention, like, language, they manipulate language and they're very careful as to what they call things, kind of like the Black Lives Matter movement. Like, oh, you can never come out against Black Lives Matter because, what, you don't think Black Lives Matter? Like, what are you, a monster? Same with gender affirming care. It sounds very nice, right? And same with puberty blockers. But I don't know if you know or if your audience knows that one of these drugs is called Lupron, and it has notoriously and for decades been given to pedophiles and sex offenders in prison to chemically castrate them. So these are the drugs that are now being given to preteens, you know, because they're pausing puberty. These aren't even like 16, 17, these are 9, 10, 11, 12-year-old children, 13. These are the drugs that are being given to them. (31:04 - 35:44) And this is what, you know, but apparently we're the bad guys for thinking that's kind of a big deal and a bad idea. I mean, it's just totally crazy. Absolutely. All right. Because your time is limited, I do now want to move on to what steps is Gays Against Groomers taking to raise awareness, to push back against this? Yeah. Well, geez, Gays Against Groomers is really such a multifaceted organization. You know, we have our online activism, our social media accounts, but we also have chapters all across the United States. And within those chapters over the past two and almost two and a half years, we have been speaking out, we testify in legislation, we speak at school board meetings, we hold rallies, you know, we show up as parents support. We always like to say, like, we are parents' number one allies. You know, when they're shut down and told that they don't have a voice, we're backing them up. Like, actually, they're not homophobic. They're not transphobic. They just care about their children. But probably our biggest accomplishment and what I'm most proud of with Gays Against Groomers is that we've had a hand in getting, quote unquote, gender affirming care for minors banned in over 20 states in two years. So, you know, and the tide is turning. That's why I remain hopeful, even though this is so dark and disturbing and evil what's happening. We are going in the right direction. For example, on this upcoming Wednesday, I'm not sure exactly when this is airing, but December 4th, there's a giant rally on the steps of the Supreme Court in Washington, D.C. The Supreme Court is hearing arguments in a case, United States v. Skrmetti, I believe it's pronounced. It's basically a law in Tennessee that if passed would ban child sterilization and mutilation under the guise of gender affirming care. And so our organization is going there. We also put out resources all the time. We just launched our second book, which is our first children's book. So we have a podcast. We're working on a documentary, all kinds of stuff. You know, we're just trying to get the message out. We're trying to be the biggest megaphone we possibly can be to make as much noise to end this as fast as possible. And I know that some of your members have gone and spoken to school boards. Has that had an impact? Have they actually gotten anyone to listen to them? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We've we've changed policies in school districts all over the country. You know, there's been a bunch of things on the table around the country where, for example, like to ban biological boys from girls' bathrooms, getting certain books out of school libraries, getting biological boys out of girls' sports, all that stuff. And, yeah, we've had a hand. We've had a great success over the since we've been around in in, you know, getting these things to pass in schools, either, you know, get the books out or protect the girls and all sorts of stuff. So, yeah, that's one of our biggest things we do is go and speak at school board meetings and like city council meetings as well. That's something else I wanted to talk about. In my own view, next to the victimization of children, the greatest concern I have about the trans movement is this normalization of allowing biological men into women's spaces. It's even happened at the gym that my wife and I go to. There's a man who sometimes comes into the women's change room. Okay. It's almost the mind that they can't understand this, that it doesn't work in both directions. First of all, you're highly unlikely to find a biological woman, even a trans woman who's going to want to go into the men's change room. But even if she did, she's not a physical threat to most of the men who are in there. That man is a physical threat to those women. The average man has twice the upper body strength of the average woman. And even after transitioning, that doesn't go away. And now we've got the high possibility that this person is some kind of sexual deviant, you know, maybe autogynephilia, maybe a pedophile. And they're normalizing this. And I'm terrified. I mean, I've got a beautiful 23 year old daughter who's five foot nothing. I worry about her. Yeah. And that's, you know, you should. It's a very scary world. You know, I never considered myself a feminist in my whole life up until the transgender movement, you know, came to be and started taking over women's spaces and embracing women and saying that women don't have a right to their privacy and safety and bathrooms and locker rooms and that, you know, girls and women who train their whole lives to compete and become the best in their sport. (35:45 - 36:14) They're they're, you know, their titles and their scholarships are taken by mediocre men like you see the whole Lia Thomas thing with Riley Gaines that went nuclear a few years ago. Leah, what's his real name? I already forget. But, you know, that's his that's his trans name. But he was a swimmer. He was a male swimmer and he placed like number 400 something right against other men. And then he he begins to identify as a woman goes and gets first place. (36:14 - 36:47) Right. It's like it's just so unfair. And it's like, where are all the feminists? Remember? Remember the women's march a few years ago? Everybody was wearing the pink, you know, what hats and where did those people go? You know, now it's like the patriarchy is I always say this. I say the patriarchy is back and it's wearing a dress like somehow it's OK for for men to now come before women and take over all of their spaces if they're wearing a dress. You know, they don't even have to do that anymore. So they can go in with full beards and say, I'm a woman. I don't know if you saw this. Actually, a New York Times article just came out. I think it was yesterday. (36:48 - 38:49) We're called it called females, biological females, non transgender women, like that's how we're being classified now. It's important. And, you know, within gays against groomers, we really try and focus just on the child aspect. But obviously, you know, we all feel the same way about this as well, that, you know, it's not fair for women, either adult women. And it's dangerous and it's scary. Now, at this point in time, you don't have any chapters in Canada, is that correct? We used to have a GAG Canada, but because of our nonprofit status, we didn't have like legally we couldn't really operate there for safety reasons and just a bunch of other stuff. But we have you know, we have some representatives up there that are that are within our organization, but we don't really have a team up there anymore. Now, the reason I asked that question, Jaimee, is because, of course, we do have many people here who are fighting against this trans agenda. And you've succeeded in getting 22 states to start shutting this down. And what is your strategy that you would recommend for people here in Canada, if we want to go to our lawmakers and say, look, we need to stop this? What argument should they be putting in front of them? Well, I think now that the United States has banded in half of the states, I think, you know, and there's more and more studies that come out. I think that it's really a lot easier now than it was a few years ago. It's still a hell of a battle because these people do not want to give up power. They do not want to give up the money that this brings the medical and big pharma industries. But I would just say, you know, there are also dozens of other countries around the Western world now who have rolled back, rolled back these practices, like even the U.K. has banned puberty blockers. I always need to use quotation marks because that's not what these things really are. Right. They've banned it. A bunch of other states have outlawed, quote unquote, gender affirming care for minors because there's more evidence showing that actually this is horrible. (38:49 - 40:41) This has devastating consequences and no child can make these kinds of decisions. So I would just, you know, I would come equipped, go to our website, Radar.GaysAgainstGroomers.com. We have a whole section of scientific studies there for people to use, you know, and just I would just cite those a lot and also use Gays Against Groomers. Shout us out. Be like, you know, there's a whole group of gay and trans people down in the United States that are fighting against this and they do not agree with this. And, you know, because a lot of times, like I said, our voices can hold more weight. So I guess that's my advice. Just keep hitting it, you know, just keep going full steam ahead and we are going to get this banned everywhere. Good. Now let's talk briefly about your books. You've got two books now on your website, The Gender Trap. And as you said, you've just published your first children's book. Now, I haven't read The Gender Trap yet, but I'm going to because I assume that there's a great deal of more detail in there about what we spoke about today. So that's information that's going to arm people with the actual facts. Oh, yeah. That book is like an encyclopedia to fight this transgender insanity. It really goes very in-depth into understanding what this all means, how it happened, how our society got so consumed by it and how to fight back against it and end it. It was written by an author named Carla Curtis. She is an accomplished writer, you know, in other areas as well. But she is very passionate about this and reached out to our organization and wanted to collab on this. And it is just such a phenomenal book. It is a great resource. And I mean, I may be a little biased because, you know, it's a Gays Against Rumors book, but seriously, there's nothing else like it out there. And it's fantastic. And we really encourage people to arm themselves with the truth and reality and ways to fight back. (40:41 - 41:35) And, yeah, yesterday we just published our first children's book, which we've been working on for like six months now. We're so excited that it's finally out. You know, there's really it's called Born Perfect: Jack's story, and it's the Born Perfect series, which we are starting. It's the first book, the first story in a series. But it's basically about a little boy who happens to like pink and tea parties and baking and doesn't really like playing sports and doesn't like the color blue. But he's fine just the way he is. You know, he's totally perfect as he is. He doesn't need to change for anybody. So we're basically trying to teach children and put out a counter message to the crazy trans propaganda out there and children's books for kids, teaching them that they're trans, that actually there is no no child was born in the wrong body and there's no wrong way to be a boy or a girl. (41:35 - 41:51) And so we're so proud of this book because, you know, going back to what I said earlier, we see ourselves in these kids. We would have been these kids if we were born a few decades later. And so this message is really, really dear to us all. (41:51 - 42:43) And we just hope that, you know, for parents, for parents who have children or are no children that are that are going through this, that happen to have a more effeminate boy or a more masculine girl, that they would, you know, grab this book for them to help them understand that there is nothing wrong with them and they are perfect exactly as they are. And both of those books are available on your website, Gays Against Groomers. Are they available anywhere else? The Gender Trap is on Amazon. Born Perfect is not on Amazon yet, but it will be at the end of December, I believe. So right now, if you go to GaysAgainstRumors.com, we have a books tab. Just click that and you can get both of our books right there. But if you want on Amazon as well for The Gender Trap, please feel free. And while you're there, leave us to review. Leave the booker. (42:44 - 43:23) Jaimee, I'd like to finish with this question. I'm going to assume you've seen the Matt Walsh documentary. So I'd like to ask you, what is a woman? A woman is an adult human female. It comes down to XX chromosomes. It's really that simple. You know, it's, I don't understand. I feel like this isn't the future that I was promised. I was promised flying cars and instead we have to argue and convince people what a woman is. It's like, what the hell happened? Like we're going backwards. So crazy. I think sadly, you're right. But thanks to your efforts and the efforts of many others, we are turning things around and it will change. (43:24 - 45:47) Yeah, I have faith in that totally. So, you know, one last thing I'll just say. When I first started Gays Against Groomers, I was interviewed by TimCast Media or TimCast News. And their reporter asked me, where do I see Gays Against Groomers in five or 10 years from now? I was like, I pray to God we don't exist. This isn't like a long term thing. You know, we want to clean up the mess and then just go about our lives. And I never imagined this is what my life would turn into. Had you told me when I was advocating for gay marriage and equal rights for every American to have the same rights as everyone else, and you told me that this is what my future would hold, not even 10 years down the line, I would have thought you were absolutely insane. And so, you know, we hold a lot of resentment towards this woke crowd because they basically have essentially proved the slippery slope that, you know, radical right wingers and Bible thumpers, call them whatever you want, like warned about. It's like, oh, actually, they were right. You know, it's like, here we are. So we're trying to reverse things back to sanity and just end it all. So thank you so much for letting me come into our story. Just based upon something you've just said, though, I think I'm going to ask you one more question because it's extremely important. You were just talking about equal rights for everybody, which absolutely, yes, we should have. And I'd like to make the point that I don't believe either you nor I or many of my viewers have a problem with an adult, fully informed, who chooses to transition. What we have a problem with is them pushing this agenda on our children. Exactly. Yeah, that's what it comes down to. I mean, everybody thinks that Gays Against Groomers is anti-trans. It's like we're anti-trans ideology being pushed on children. Adults can do whatever they want. I personally don't think somebody should be able to transition until their frontal, their brain is fully developed at 25 years old. But you're an adult at 18. You can go serve in the military at 18. You know, that's and so that's the Gays Against Groomers position. It's like it's really not too much to ask to just let kids be kids, you know, and let them grow naturally. Like every day, I can't believe that these are actual words that have to come out of my mouth and that Gays Against Groomers even has to exist. So. Jamie, thank you so much for your time today and for the excellent work that your organization is doing. (45:47 - 45:49) Thank you so much. Great to talk with you.