Will Dove 00:00 Many of you have seen the recent documentary "Died Suddenly" produced by Stew Peters. The documentary gave an overview of the globalist depopulation agenda via the so called COVID vaccines. Today I have with me two of the original whistleblowers on the vaccine harms who both appeared in the documentary. But in this in depth interview, we're going to go well beyond the Reader's Digest version presented in Died Suddenly, John O'Looney from Great Britain was the first Undertaker to raise the alarm on the huge increase in deaths following the vaccine rollout. deaths that were happening not to elderly and vulnerable people, but to young people who had no pre-existing conditions. Richard Hirschman from the US, provided the first images of the massive blockages that were being removed from the bodies of the injected. In this interview, they present their full stories from when they first knew something was seriously amiss to present day and their very grave concerns for our future. Along the way, we discussed the timeline, the links between the release of the shots and the sudden and dramatic increase in deaths from unknown causes, the shocking increase in miscarriages and how they're being covered up, and how grieving families are being hoodwinked into believing that the shots had nothing to do with the sudden deaths of otherwise healthy young people. Are the shots merely medical malpractice, amplified by government incompetence, or are they state sponsored mass murder? Gentlemen, it is a pleasure to have both of you on the show. Thank you so much for giving us your time today for our Canadian audience. Richard Hirschman 01:52 Thank you. John O'Looney 01:54 You're most welcome. Will Dove 01:56 I want to start with your individual stories of how you came to understand there was something very wrong. And what happened when you started speaking out. And Richard, you've given kudos to John for being the first to do that. So John, I'm going to ask you to go first. John O'Looney 02:11 Okay. First of all, I would say the same thing with Richard really kind of, I was already speaking, when I first heard Richard, but he certainly inspired me, as well. And he's a very brave man I'm honored to be associated with. So for me, I my name is Jonathan Looney, I run Milton Keynes family funeral services. And we're based in Milton Keynes in the UK, I've been a funeral director for 16 years. Six of those, I've been working for myself in my own funeral home. But prior to that I worked for an industry leader come up to funeral care for around 10 years. So you know, I've got a reasonable amount of experience. And, for me, the first thing that I noticed that when I felt uncomfortable with Will, my first dipping my toe in the water of COVID really was November in 2019. And a family came to me who'd lost a loved one in the neighboring borough of Northampton, which is a borough just across, probably 15-20 miles from us. And they complained that the hospital wouldn't let them see their loved one in the hospital. So I kind of said, Look, don't worry, you know, I kind of go on the thing of treating people the way I want to be treated, you know, so I kind of said, Don't worry, I'll go and pick them up promptly. You can see him in a funeral home, and I thought perhaps they were doing building work or something like that, or renovating or they've been a problem in the viewing room there. So I went over to the hospital and I collected this deceased. And while I was there kind of said to them, you know, why wouldn't you let his family see a loved one. And he didn't really say anything, he just opened the viewing room door. And inside this viewing room, which is probably five meters square, there was a huge inflatable pandemic tent already blown up. And it looked as though it might have had deceased in it, I couldn't really tell. And I kind of said, well, what's that for? And he said, Well, we've been told there is something really horrible coming and so we're preparing kind of thing. And he didn't mention the word COVID. That's as much as he said, and I was okay. You know, you're kind of a bit shocked, because it's not something I've ever heard of before, as a funeral director. So I took this deceased and carried about my business. Anyway, the news broke in early 2020. And we were shown pictures of people falling over in China. And I was quite worried. I'll be honest with you now. I'm 55. ex-smoker, couple of stones overweight, probably really, if I'm honest. And, you know, not in the best condition. I was, you know, I haven't got comorbidities but, you know, here's a disease we're told destroys the lungs and is deadly and it's contagious. And, you know, we're shown all these pictures of people falling over in China. I was worried because I'm going to be handling these deceased. You know, they're talking about opening the local ice rink, or closing it sorry and making it into my makeshift mortuary and Boris Johnson said every, every family will lose someone. And, you know, it's quite concerning. So it wasn't too long, really, before I started seeing the cracks in it, and the reason for that was a number of things. Number one, that numbers wise, there was no increase in death rate and 2020. At all. There was a brief blip in March and April, that was exclusively in care homes that I suspect was as a result of killing people with Midazolam. And that's been quite well documented. It was a brief period a couple of weeks. And I can, I can go into that and explain why I feel like that as a funeral director, it's to do with the numbers and patterns. But early in 2020, I had a guy called me up, he said, his name was John. And he worked for a company called Pandemic Resilience, I believe it was called. And he said, he was government sponsored, he said, my job is to call all of the local funeral directors. And my job is to get the numbers as part of the pandemic response. And I was happy to do that, you know, you kind of I believed it, we were probably 8-12 weeks in, and I believed him, you know? And so he would ask me a number of questions. And he would ask me, what was my capacity in my funeral home? And how many bodies can I hold? Where how many and I picked up each week, and from where and how many were COVID. So I was giving him any call every every Monday he would call me. And we got on first name terms. And it's amazing how you can get to know someone in a two minute conversation if you speak to them every Monday, you know, because I'm quite an amiable guy. And he was, and but almost straight away, I would tell him, I was making the effort to find out the history of these deceased to be able to convey that information to this guy accurately so that he could get the details right, you know, so it was accurate information. So, whereas usually, I would go to a care home, and I'll collect someone, usually the staff barely speak to you in some of these care homes you know, but I was actually engaging with the staff saying, you know, how long have this guy been here? And I would, one guy in particular, I kind of said, well, I've spoke to the staff, this guy passed away, he was onset dementia patient, we found him in the fetal position, there was no doctor present, because the doctor stopped attended deaths - to protect the NHS, we were told, so there was no doctor present. There was no COVID test, present or done. This guy had been there five years, I'd spoke to the staff, I spoke to the family as well. And they confirmed this. And he was a dementia death, and this guy instantly, would insist he was a COVID death. So I was kind of okay. I said, Well, why are you saying that, because I've actually told you, I've gotten to the trouble of finding out all this information to give an accurate representation of exactly what this man died from. And he said that because they've had a report that one person in that facility of 350 beds had died from COVID, they'd been 'instructed' to put everyone down who died as a COVID death. So this rinse and repeat, throughout 2020 - even one guy it was run over, he had tire marks from his hip to his shoulder across his chest. He died in ICU, he was a COVID death. Insane. So what that meant was there were actually no more deaths than normal in 2020. And this is, despite them making an effort in care homes to dispatch people with this Midazolam for a couple of weeks during March and April. But what it meant was there were lots of COVID deaths. So there was, for example, I've been an undertaker for 16 years, every year, there was winter flu deaths, it would go on death certificates, winter flu, there was no winter flu deaths at all in 2020, or 2021. In fact, I think it's gonna make a comeback now, you know. And this went on throughout the year. And so I realized pretty quickly the numbers, there was no increase in numbers. I was washing and dressing these people without a mask on throughout 2020. And I was doing that when other people wouldn't wash them. You know, we were picking them up from the hospital in body bags swimming in fluid, because they treated these poor souls with things like remdesivir, and it nakered their kidneys so they couldn't process fluid. So their bodies filled up with fluid, so much so that they would weep yellow tears, and their faces would all be bloated. And they would even leak from the ear canals. You know, and if you pulled them across from a gurney to a tray, you'd leave an imprint in their forearm, even being really gently because they were so bursting with fluid. Now, obviously, these people as they pass their body cavity would fill up with this fluid that their kidneys died couldn't process and they would drown. So that would come across as risk symptomatically as a respiratory illness. These people didn't have COVID Most of these people didn't have COVID It was malfeasance in the hospitals. And I've had dozens and dozens and dozens of doctors that have reached out since I've been talking openly to confirm that, and they're very frightened and very upset. So 2020 came and went, it was no more deaths than normal. Will Dove 10:08 John, before we get on to what you saw, what's the day after the rollout of the vaccines? Yes. Yeah. Richard, can we have you tell your story up to that point? Richard Hirschman 10:17 Sure. Yeah, my name is Richard Hirschman. I've been a mortician. I started my apprenticeship back in 2001. I remember that because of the 9/11. I remember standing in the funeral home when that happened. When I got my - when I finished mortuary school and became fully dual license as an embalmer and funeral director, I went to work for a a large corporation where we would embalm about 900 to 1,000 bodies a year. And so I've I've, I've been in embalmer the majority of my time, and I agree with John 2020 -- 2019 right there towards the end, they started talking about this pandemic. I never really saw any increase in anything. 2020 comes along, they, again, the first half of 2020, really nothing was going along. They -- what is it I think they that's when I think that's when they started the some of the lock downs and things like that. But then they started the supposedly, like John said, COVID deaths started coming in. And what I noticed there really wasn't a whole lot of death at all. And then a lot of the deaths that came in, they were COVID and everybody was afraid of COVID so they would call me, which I'm a trade embalmer, which means I just go from one funeral home to another funeral home in order to take care of the embalming process. Some funeral homes I do most all of their embalming anyway, other funeral homes, you know, they were scared of the virus itself. They didn't want to handle the body, so they would call me I guess, you know, why not? Why make themselves sick when I'm willing to go in there and do it myself. But I questioned many of the supposedly COVID deaths. Some of these people, I think they just died of old age. I mean, we had one that was 103 years old labeled as a COVID death, I didn't see anything abnormal about this person. I mean, they were just, you know, just just another just another body, nothing really unusual. But then towards the end of 2020, the death rates did start to increase. And I noticed a lot of the bodies that were coming in definitely labeled COVID, they were all put into body bags. And they were on ventilators and when they're on ventilators, they're on basically kind of like a life support. Didn't realize what, you know, I had heard that they were being given remdesivir. And I didn't understand all of the stuff about that. But apparently remdesivir is a pretty bad drug, shuts down the kidneys. And as John said, the longer they were on a ventilator, the worse it was, their bodies would fill with fluid, and edema. So much so that sometimes the liquid would just be oozing out of their legs and arms, their face would be so swollen, sometimes you almost couldn't recognize the individual. From being a right across the nose right here where they put the tape to hold that stuff in would be just black, from rotting skin, even down into the cheek area. It was really, really horrible to see what was going on. And of course now looking back for me. I think it had something to do with the protocols of what they were given. Anyway, I ended up getting COVID myself around June of 21 or 2020, which wasn't that you know, that big of a deal. I had a really bad cough. But by the end of the year with all of those the deaths starting to rise, I did notice an increase in clotting. Now that could be caused by a number of things. They were saying that COVID itself could cause clotting and The majority of the deaths were people that had a lot of them were overweight, they had comorbidities, they were put on ventilators. It just it something didn't seem quite right but when 2021 started, is when all heck started breaking loose as far as death went The death definitely went way up. Will Dove 15:29 And let's, let's get to that in just a minute. But before we move on to the vaccines and what both of you saw after they started injecting people, I want to give you two a little fact that you might not know. I recently interviewed a gentleman here in Canada, a professor, a scientist named Denis Rancourt and his area of expertise is analyzing data. And what he did was he looked at the all cause mortality figures from around the world. And what he concluded from that was that COVID-19 did not result in any additional deaths.What killed additional people and additional people did die in the US in Canada and Great Britain, not a lot, but they did. He concluded that what killed them was government actions, putting vulnerable people together in the same places and pumping them full of toxic drugs like remdesivir and putting them on ventilators. Does that conclusion jive with what you two have seen? John O'Looney 16:23 100%, Yes, yeah. And I think one of the things is when you - I was surprised how people engage with me. I can never understand why because I don't think I'm a particularly good speaker. But I think people resonate with sincerity. And they know, they look at me, and they know I'm not lying. And so I've had a lot of people reach out to me, and some of them have been wonderful people like Richard and Brendan Faithful (NZ), and others. I've spoke to the politicians, doctors, nurses, more harridly, the victims, and the families that come in to me, some of them are blissfully unaware. And I'm not here to tell them, you know, your your loved ones' been murdered. But some of them are very aware, and they're growing aware in greater numbers and they're very, very angry. And there's nowhere for them to go, because the coroners' refused to see it. Can't even get them to respond to an email voicing their concerns. Now, I've been to see my local police station, and voice concerns there, they wouldn't even let an officer sit down and talk to me. So so, you know, it's where where are we going to find justice for these people? I really don't know. Richard Hirschman 17:34 Right. Yeah, well, you're the the gentleman you were speaking of where he talked about, where he saw that the the rise of deaths, government interventions, I would have to agree. I mean, they did everything they can to prevent medicine that would help people and and then give them medications that would cause them more harm. And then when the vaccine came out, the death rate just shot right through the roof. And when my first hearing of John's, one of his early videos, I don't know if it was his first one. But as he described, the death rate and the rising death rate starting in January of 2021. It it resonated with me. And when he was talking about back then he talked about they were they had seen more blood clots than they had ever seen, in a short period of time - used to, we would see blood clots from time to time, but this is there is something different, the blood clotting just went through the roof. And, and that also resonated with me. So what's causing the blood clots at you know, was it COVID Or the vaccine? It was kind of debatable. But now where we are today, of course, I almost have to say it's, it's possible that the COVID itself could cause blood clotting, and some of the issues. But some of this really radical, unusual blood clotting we're seeing, I think is probably my gut feeling it is from the vaccine. And we need more people to investigate in it and find out. I would love to be wrong on all of this, but unfortunately, I believe I believe we're right. John O'Looney 19:30 The numbers tell the story. The numbers tell the story. And my Morturary register tells the story. Will Dove 19:37 Well, John, let's get into that. Now let's let's talk about what you saw after the vaccine roll. And especially, I think there's a very significant because I was listening to another one of your interviews where you talked about the very short period of time between when they started injecting people and when you started seeing these bodies coming in with these huge clumps. John O'Looney 19:55 Well, it was 2020 really, I began to smell that's - I knew there was there was I knew in my heart what was going on, really in 2020. But like anything, you know, it's such a radical thing. And people are so frightened, you kind of are reluctant to speak out until you're sure in your heart, you know. And I kind of predicted openly to a few people, my wife and I did a couple of Facebook posts, where I suspected that the death rate would soar once they began vaccinating, and everyone condemned me as I expected. But lo and behold, they started vaccinating in my area locally and obviously, in Milton Keynes in England, is where I serve mostly as my immediate area. They started vaccinating on the 6th of January in 2021 and the moment they put those needles in arms, the death rate went through the roof. absolutely through the roof, the phone was ringing off the hook, we were turning people away. It was horrific. I would estimate on reflection, probably 300%, I'd say three times the normal death rate. It was pretty grim, to be honest with you. And that went on for about 12 weeks. And then everyone was kind of hysterical. So now it was the COVID. And I knew there wasn't, I knew there wasn't because I had predicted it. And my heart sank. Because then I knew that we're in real trouble. Then -- Will Dove 21:21 -- John, this was just the first shot, right? John O'Looney 21:23 Yeah, this was just the first shot. And I suspect on reflection the reason for this is because they just hadn't had the death rate. There was no pandemic death rate. 2020 was proof of that. They needed a pandemic death rate and this is what they decided to do was kill a load of people off with the first shots to create that pandemic death rate to convince people there was a pandemic, it was all of the people that would have been vaccinated, not all of them, but that it was only people that were vaccinated that were dying shortly after. And I know because I was asking the families. By then I - you know, you sit down at the point of arrangement, and you sit down and write, I've got a round table. And I've got that because people can look at each other and you can make eye contact and you can make family decisions. And I was asking everyone, you know, was was mum vaccinated? was dad vaccinated? And they were telling me yes, because they're all terrified that I wouldn't wash or just their loved one, if they were labeled as a COVID death, you know, and I washed and dressed them all. You know, I was pulling them out of body bags, I had funeral directors sending people up to me, because they wouldn't wash and dress them themself. And they knew that I would. So so I kept you know, and I've sort of wondered, you know, why have I not fell over and died and whatever, not got sick and and I realized that I was - my heart sank once they started putting the injection in, and people started falling over at Pandemic rate. I knew what happened. I know what happened. My mortuary book tells the story to the day to the day they started vaccinating some of these people I've looked after died within 90 minutes of being jabbed. You know, I spoke to nurses who told me the yellow card system isn't working, there's no support line, they can't get any anyone to help them upload these adverse reactions. So they're simply not getting reported. So the small amount where it's not a small amount that's on there. But it's a fraction of the reality. It's a fraction of the reality. This is really, really terrible, biblical event. Will Dove 23:22 And you started now this started out with the older people who were getting injected first. But as they were lowering the age, yeah, they got a younger a younger body younger and younger people died. John O'Looney 23:33 Yeah. And then in September 2021, and I had been very vocal, and I was talking to whoever would listen, because I don't want people to die. And as an undertaker, I can tell you, I care very much about people, it's more of a service to the living than it is those that are past. So So for me, I want to serve people that have had a full life, you know, not not kids and people in their 20s and 30s and 40s. So I was very vocal, very vocal. And a lot of people started reaching out to me who started seeing after a few months, I started seeing what I'd seen and one of these was a police officer called Mark Sexton. And he invited me to a meeting with a senior government minister in Westminster last September. So we attended this meeting, I met a guy who was SAS regiment and on the outskirts of London, he escorted me through the tube system to Westminster. The address was number one Birdcage Walk. It was Tuesday, the 21st of September 2021. It was a two o'clock meeting and was due to go on to Harper Street. Now the Times or The Guardian reported it as a group of anti vaxxers. It really wasn't I can tell you who was there, it was people of the caliber of Professor Dolores Cahill, people like Dr. Mike Yeadon, the former CEO of Pfizer. was at that meeting, Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Dr. Sam White, Dr. Steven Frost, and Eviscerator lawyer, Philip Ireland, the lawyer, Francis Hall, the barrister. These are not anti vaxxers. They know there was about 18 of them there. Most of them were medically trained. I was the only one who sat there without any letters after me name, you know. And we all had - we met with a guy there was supposed to be two ministers attended, only one turned up, and was a guy called Sir Graham Brady. Now, Sir Graham is the most senior politician in the United Kingdom. He's the commissioner of something called the 1922 Committee, a Google search by any of your listeners, will find who he was. And I sat there, he was at arm's length three, four foot away. And we all had five or 10 minutes to convey our concerns. Obviously, me speaking in my field as a funeral director. So I told him what I'd seen and the faking of COVID deaths and the sudden rise in deaths just after they rolled out the job and he listened. He knew he knew, he knew. And then more upsettingly, I sat back and listened to what everyone else had said. And it was utterly I mean, I attended that meeting, thinking at last someone's listening, you know, thank God, someone is at last listening. And I realized very much that they already knew they knew. And Sir Graham actually said, it's above my paygrade. He's the guy who's hires and fires prime ministers. There is no one more senior in British politics than Sir Graham Brady. So how won't be above above his pay grade? Clearly, he doesn't run things. You know, Will Dove 26:42 I want to get back to that, Sir Graham Brady, in a minute. Yeah. Richard, would you please tell your story of what you saw? As soon as they started injecting people? Richard Hirschman 26:53 Yes, starting in January. That was the busiest month I've ever I've ever been in. I mean, it is absolutely insane. Usually, I would enbalm, you know, somewhere between 30 to 45 bodies in a month period, in January of 2021. - that month, I embalmed 101 people by myself. Now, I did hire somebody, well, not really hire, I had an apprentice that wanted to learn the business. And, and she started working with me. And so she saw this going on. And, you know, it was, it was horrifying. The comment that John made about, you know, the deaths and the death certificates. Now, unfortunately, I don't do death certificates as an embalmer. Yes, I was when I did the full funeral directing, I filled out death certificates, I would, you know, doctors fill out their portions, you know, medical examiners, whatever. I don't ever remember anybody on a death certificate saying they died of the flu. I've never seen that on there. And that's one of the things that was a little shocking to me, was how they're starting to label all these bodies, COVID, COVID-19. And, and I've, I've spoken with people that are, and I don't want to give any names, because they're, you know, their coronors are in some like that. And I was told they've had they weren't, they had meetings, to where they were told that if there was any indication that they might have any symptom to the virus to go ahead and put it on the death certificate. Now one of the people that that told me all this wasn't going to follow along with that rule. But then, it wasn't long after 2021 came out and the death rate went through the roof, one of these people started asking the questions when they were going out on it because this person was a coronor, and they started just wasn't required by them, but they were just kind of curious that when a person was vaccinated, and it seemed like almost every one of them they were, you know, 2, 4, 6 weeks after getting the vaccine. So that kind of throws in, you know, you kind of really start questioning what is going on. The death rate after January slowed down somewhat. And it seems like there's there's there's peaks and valleys in this business we - it goes up, it goes down, it goes up it goes down again, it kind of scared steady. But 2021 was a very, very busy, busy year. And I embalmed more people in 2021 that I've, again that I've ever embalmed in my life. And by the end of 2021, of course, I was pretty much certain I knew what was causing it, because all of these reports of sudden heart attacks and strokes when I'm embalming these people, and I'm seeing all of these clots, and it's not just these clots, regular clots, I mean, it's just there's something I noticed, by the spring of 2021. I noticed, because January is so busy, I'm just trying to get from one to the next. But by by February, March, when it slowed down a little bit, I can pay a little bit more attention to what I'm doing. I started noticing there is something different, the blood is different, something has changed in the blood of the bodies that I was embalming. The traditional jelly clots is what we're familiar with in the funeral business. And I would sit there and say earlier on maybe 5% of the bodies might have clotting, well, maybe 10, maybe 15% at the most. So you look at it like Okay, so let's just pretend it was 50? Well, we'll just bump it up to 20%, just to be give them the benefit of the doubt, that would mean two out of 10 bodies might be have clots and eight bodies would not. But when you start getting about 50, 60, 70, 80% of the bodies are clotted. What has happened? What has changed? And now it's the most evident thing that is very noticeable, and very hard to deny, is the white fiber structures that we're seeing. This. um gonna hold this vial up to your thing, it's this white fibrous material. That is not blood. You know, we were calling them blood clots for a long time. But that is not blood at all. That is very abnormal. And if you were to sit there and say, Well, maybe a strange disease or something unusual might have caused that. Well, then how come I've got almost 200 pictures on my phone in the last, you know, little over a year. Something is very wrong and none of these things, this white fibres stuff that we're seeing that have any, like real size and length to them. I'd never seen any of that prior to 2021. I estimate I started seeing those around May, it could have been in March, no later than June for sure. And the first image I took was in September. So the first image I took was in September, which was you know, what is that 14 months ago or so 15 months, maybe? Almost 200 images. This is not this, something has changed 100%. And I didn't notice these things in 2020. I had never seen them prior to that. And even while I was starting to see these things, before I even started taking pictures I started at I mean, sometimes I'd have embalmers that had 20, 30, 40, 50 years of experience. I'd call them over to the embalming table and ask them have you got Have you ever seen anything like this? The answer was always they'd never seen anything like it. So it wasn't just me. And this is prior to me coming out publicly. I didn't come out publicly for a couple of reasons. In the beginning, one was I didn't have anything to show exactly what it is I'm talking about. I heard plenty of doctors warning people early in 2021 - something is wrong. Peter McCullough, Robert Malone, I mean, Dr. Ryan Cole, a lot of doctors, and a lot of doctors were censored early, very early in the year. So I didn't do what John did. My - most of my reaching out to people were people in my profession that I knew. Some of them are coroners. But I did not go to the authorities because it's not like it well if they wouldn't listen to the doctors. I was asked the question, why didn't I go to the CDC or the FDA or some something like that? And my answer to that is, if you won't listen to experts, like doctors and pathologists, like Ryan Cole is a pathologist, Dr. Malone was one of the inventors of the mRNA Dr. Peter McCullough is a well known, well respected cardiologist, if they won't listen to them. What would they? Why would I think they would even consider listening to someone like me? I have no letters behind my name either. I'm just a, I'm just a mortician just like John is, and we do we care about the people. And another thing people have asked me as well, did you talk to the family members? Listen, the family members are already grieving. These clots aren't going to bring them back. I'm not there to try to bring more grief to their situation. However, now that things are becoming more evident, there are family members starting to ask the funeral directors, does my loved one have these strange clots in them? Will Dove 36:05 I want to just get a look at the timeline here because you both told me a very similar story. And I want to confirm that we're getting the timeline, right. So they roll up the shots, you see an immediate huge jump somewhere 300%, then it starts to taper off a little bit, but still much higher than pre shot levels. And at the same time, these initial ones you're seeing the jelly clots, which if I'm correct, those are, they're not completely uncommon, you would have seen those before. I think that there's sometimes those formed after death. But then later, you start to see, as they lower the age, and you see younger and younger bodies coming in, and you start finding these long, fibrous blockages. Let's not call them clots, because as you said, they're not blood clots. And you're finding those in the bodies. Is that a correct sequence of events? Richard Hirschman 36:58 Yes, but on one hand, I want to caution is not just because they started injecting younger people. I first started noticing these clots in in older people, not younger people. I started noticing them and older people, I would find them in younger people as well, like around back in around November, October, November of last year. But we got to remember who were the first people that they pushed the shots into? The elderly -- John O'Looney 37:30 -- The most vulnerable. Richard Hirschman 37:31 The elderly, I think have more. There's something about maybe their age, I tried doing research on deep vein thrombosis, and it will typically affect the elderly more so than younger usually starts at around the age of 65. And older people become more prone to clotting. So maybe that's why we see a lot of these larger clots in the elderly. But it doesn't exclude the younger people. The younger people also will get some of these abnormal clots. And let me refer go back to the jelly clot. The typical jelly clot looks exactly like a piece of grape jelly or Jello, it's very weak, it falls apart. There is another type of clot they call it chicken fat clots which we would see from time to time, which looks simply like a little yellowish piece of chicken fat that you would see underneath the - if you're skinning the chicken or something. John O'Looney 38:33 -- Like, a ... plaque? Richard Hirschman 38:35 No, not well, plaque is a little bit more firm. But it's yellow. It's very soft. It looks like a little piece of fat. That's all it looks like. And sometimes we get that in the blood. But it's you it's not it's not in a long, huge piece. Sometimes you might find it marbled up in a traditional blood jelly clot. What is different about that, even the clots that we're used to seeing, Will is that the blood clots are almost stringy, it looks like it looks like it's like threads like fine threads. It looks very dirty. It's long. If you were to if you were to carefully try to just dissolve the blood away, you'd end up it looks like spider webs, you know, is holding together in these long strands, even though sometimes they're still red, the blood is different. Sometimes the blood is coming out looking almost as if they're fine grains of sand flowing in the blood, it just flowing out. I'll try to get a picture. That's some dirty looking blood. Now that is that's residue. John O'Looney 39:52 That's not normal. Richard Hirschman 39:53 That's not normal at all exactly. W Will Dove 39:56 here I was going, and I think you've confirmed where I was going with this and it has to do with something that you said, John, that initially, you were seeing older people, mostly not entirely, but mostly. And you weren't necessarily yet finding a lot of these long, fibrous blockages? John O'Looney 40:13 No, it was just a kill shot, it was seemed to be literally a kill shot to generate a pandemic death rate. Will Dove 40:21 Yes. And so we're going to tie all this together. Because you also have both said that as soon as they rolled out the vaccines, you saw a huge jump, and then it came down a little bit. So that jives with what I'm thinking now is that it these were vulnerable people, it didn't take much to kill them, you didn't need to find these two foot long blockages in them, for the shot to have killed them. And those were that huge wave of people that died at the beginning. And then then you're starting to see the people who they weren't that vulnerable. Right now, they they've been poisoned with these shots, some of them now have had 2, 3, 4 of them. And now you're finding these giant blockages in them. And that's going to kill anyone. John O'Looney 41:03 Yeah, they've been very clever. The way it's been orchestrated is to simulate natural deaths. I mean, prior to all of this madness, the most common causes of death were heart attack, cancer and stroke. And they reproduce in these with these shots is my feeling, they're reproducing a natural death. But the numbers, the numbers of them and the people that are dying. To give you an idea when I worked for the Co Op, I did 10 years there, and they're probably got around 45 50% market share in the UK. So they're a big, big funeral provider. We the ranch I was working in we're doing around 700 or 800 funerals a year, which is busy, so respected but depends where you are. But we were busy for the number of staff we had there. And we would see maybe less than five people under 40 in a 12 month period in this busy hub. And I've done that as a small funeral director some months now. I've seen you know, four or five people under 50. Certainly, during the peak times, just unnatural numbers of unnatural people were dying. You know, usually when you see a person die under 50, it would be suicide or an RTA road traffic accident, because youngsters always drive mad, don't they, you know, drive too fast, or drug overdose, that kind of thing. These are not these are people with no fat, no comorbidities, dying suddenly from heart failure, you know, in their 20s and in their 30s and in their 40s and 50s. People that wouldn't normally pass away, you know and so something is very, very, very wrong. But not only is it very wrong, what is more upsetting is that when you raise the alarm about this, because as a funeral director, I have a moral duty to raise the alarm if I have concerns. For example, if I went to the hospital and I picked someone up, and I got them back to my place, and I started undressing them and I roll them over and I see a big puncture wound in their back, I have to raise the alarm about those concerns. I do that for two reasons. Number one, is because I have a moral obligation as a decent human being. And number two is because I'm required in law to raise concerns about any concerns I have about death. That's what decent humans do is written in law. Now, I'm raising concerns to my local coroner, and to the Chief Coroner of England. Nobody is interested, nobody wants to know. And in fact, I find that they're actively ignoring it. And that, for me is more distressing than seeing it happen. Because it's almost there as I've gone to bed and I woke up and the world's become inverted. And everyone that should be there and in place to protect and help. And look after us all has become our deadliest enemy, your doctors and nurses that carrying out these protocols in hospitals, knowing it's damaging and killing people. And they're still doing it because they value their direct debits and their bill payments more than they do the lives of strangers. I find that really unbelievable. But that's what I feel is going on. The coroners that are there to prevent these things by finding out and ascertaining, if I had a pound for every piece of coroners' paperwork says Death unascertained. awaiting histology. That's constant now, it's constant. They're, you know, they're not finding really any causes of death anymore. I can't believe these people are getting away with, how are they getting away with it? Will Dove 44:35 You know, it's, as you said, you said they've been very clever. What they've done is they've manufactured an injection that creates a cause of death that without an honest autopsy, without an honest pathologist looking at that. It looks like a natural cause of death. Well, they dropped dead of a heart attack. They had a stroke, whatever. John O'Looney 44:56 And it was symptomatically Yeah. symptomatically. Will Dove 44:59 And see a little tidbit for you, folks? Because you know, Richard, you're from the US, Jon, you're from Great Britain. My own province of Alberta in Canada, the number one cause of death here for the last year and a half has been that unknown, unknown causes. John O'Looney 45:12 Yeah, yeah. And then correlate with what I'm seeing. I mean, and I can't understand because I knew these people before all this, and they were good people, you know. What is it? How can I see it with an untrained eye but they can't see it? Will Dove 45:27 Well, we're gonna get back to that discussion in a minute. John. Richard? Richard Hirschman 45:32 Yes. Will Dove 45:33 Again, we want to get back to you because we're not quite done the story, because John talked about trying to raise the alarm. I'm sure you did the same thing. What happened when you did? Richard Hirschman 45:43 I, you know, I started raising the alarm. You know, my first interview, this was in towards the end of January of 2022. After I had some evidence, my alarm went out to basically people in my business that have experience and some of the coroners that I recognize and I work with, now, our coroners here are elected positions, they're not necessarily medical people. What they do is if they see us call, you know, an unnatural cause of death, such as, you know, a knife in their back or something like that or where they suspect foul play, they would then send the body off for autopsy or if there's a death that they find that is suspicious and unknown. And something just doesn't sound right. They'll send them off for autopsy. On autopsy, the people at forensics labs are extremely busy. So I don't know if they're being told not to send out send up the bodies for autopsy. But the state would probably get frustrated if if everybody that dropped dead just showed up at their doorstep for an autopsy because there's so many of them. But um, I have spoken to a medical examiner, and one of the coroners also spoke with the medical examiner. And this is going to kind of cover a little bit of, you know, some of what y'all are talking about. This medical examiner told me and another medical examiner told the coroner that oh, these are just their chicken fat clots or their post mortem clots. And, you know, I am not a doctor, I had to respectfully disagree. Now, I just that's what I told this this medicals out, I'm sorry, I have to medic, I just have to. I just have to, you know, disagree with you. And I'm just being as considerate as I can. And even the coroner, who is also an embalmer for over 40 years of experience, he asked the medical examiner, he said, I just find that kind of strange, because I've only been in this field for 40 years, and I've never seen anything like this before. How come all of a sudden, we're seeing these things. Oh, we don't want to talk. It's not that we don't want to talk but it's just a these are just post mortem clots. So I was I was listening to an interview, Chris Martenson did an interview and apparently he was studying medicine. And he they he was involved in autopsies. And he did a really good job describing the difference in clots were there pre mortem, which is anti mortem before death, or a post mortem clot. And he did explain the differences. But he said in autopsy reports, there's really only two classifications for a clot, it's either going to be pre death clot, or a after death clot. Now the after death clot is are typically what we would call the grape jelly clots that we've always seen in our, in our in our profession from time to time, that's nothing wrong with that. But when these autopsies are being done, and they see that there's a blockage in the brain, right? That's a stroke. You know, there's going to be an embolism. There's a thrombus is basically a blood clot that is lightly attached to a blood vessel wall somehow, once it breaks free becomes an embolus and it's traveling through your body and then when it gets lodged somewhere and it's big enough and it cuts off enough oxygen, that is going to cause some serious problems. If it gets in your head, you're gonna have a stroke. If it gets in your heart, you're gonna have a heart attack if it gets in your lung you're gonna have you know, a Pulmonary Embolism, you're gonna have a pulmonary embolus. So on their death certificates, they're not lying, and they're not trying to hide anything. They're just labeling it as a stroke, or an embolus of the heart or lung is not that the pathologists are lying about it, that is what it is. But what is causing it? And of course, they say it's an embolus, well, it's gonna look to them. There's only two ways for them to apparently, from what I've been told, to label these, these clots, it's either going to be a pre mortem clot or a post mortem clot. But it doesn't get down to what why the clot is there in what is this kind of clot, it doesn't matter. It's a clot, a clot is just simply a substance that blocks something. And if they're not investigating the clot, see all their care, all the all the pathologists care about is determining what killed this person. And if it was one of these clots that got to the heart and caused a heart attack. Well, it was a heart attack, a myocarditis infarction caused by an embolus. They didn't they didn't lie when they did this. And I think Jon is right. What is happened here is these, and I believe it's the shot. It could be COVID. Either way, it doesn't matter. I don't care if it's a bad a bad batch of Doritos chips that we're all eating. And it's all causing this, if that's the case, fine. Let's get all the Doritos off the shelves and let's save humanity. Of course, I don't believe that's the case. But that's just an example. They are not looking into what's causing these clots. These clots are very different. And that's what was the alarming thing for me this last summer is all of these people. And all of these reports of people dying of sudden heart attack, strokes, brain bleeds, pulmonary embolisms, and when I'm doing this embalming, and I'm seeing this weird, strange change in the way the blood looks, the white fibrous material, even the stringy stuff, and the other stuff that looks like dirty blood, little grains of sand, those little tiny clots, it doesn't take much for those clots to get in your capillaries and slowly starve off organs which can then cause all kinds of other health problems. And what we have are so many different causes of death, that it's been masking natural causes. We've always seen heart attacks. We've always seen stroke by always seen these things. But now we're seeing a huge number. John O'Looney 52:46 But the number is yeah, that's the thing, the numbers and who it's in. It's in people that traditionally would not die from heart attack, they would not die from strokes in their 20s and 30s and 40s. Will Dove 52:57 I want to ask both of you some very important questions. Now, first of the unusual deaths, you're getting the younger people who you weren't seeing before all this happened. Roughly, what percentage of those people had been injected? John O'Looney 53:13 All of them. All of them right. Will Dove 53:14 Now, let's follow this. Of those. What percentage had autopsies performed before the bodies came to you? Richard Hirschman 53:25 That's a good question. John O'Looney 53:26 It's a good question. So some of them, you tend to find that the families demand a post mortem, whatever the results of that post mortem are is very interesting, because when I emailed the head, coroner, or the Chief Coroner of England, I got a reply that said, 'we follow government policy'. So I emailed him and I said, Look, I know you're seeing unprecedented numbers of blood clot deaths. What are you doing about? You know, because I'm seeing it as well, something needs to change what's happening. "I follow government policy". That's all he said. So government policies that determine the cause of death, the cause of death was an obstruction in the arteries and vessels or in the heart or in the brain. That's as far as they're willing to go because that's government policy. So Richard is exactly right. And what they're doing is they're not lying about the cause of death. They're not looking into what the cause is that caused it, you know, what, what is this clot? What is it comprised of? How was it appeared? Why are there substantial increases in numbers of these deaths? They're not interested in that it's just cause of death. In that one person, that's it. And nobody wants to talk about the numbers. Nobody wants to address the numbers. That's not my department. You know, it's, and that's the most upsetting thing is that these people in these positions can see it clearly know, it's happening. But clearly, I think value their direct debits more than they do the lives of these poor souls. Will Dove 54:49 But that's where I'm going with this line of questioning. So we've determined what all of these unusual deaths among younger people, they were all injected, as far as you can tell? John O'Looney 55:00 As far as I can tell, certainly the numbers, as I said before, usually I could count them out on one hand in a year. I've seen that some months. So the number is the increase is undeniable. Richard Hirschman 55:13 This is a thing with Jonno Looney he has, because he sits down and talks with families, because he's sitting there at the table. And he's not afraid to ask he gets that information. As a trade embalmer, what I do, I do not have the opportunity to speak with the families. So sometimes, the funeral director will talk to the family and bring it up. What I'm finding though, is, a lot of times these funeral directors don't want to talk about it seems like it's a taboo subject, some of them do, but then they never tell me if they were or not. So I can't tell you who is embalmed or who's not embalmed. I can tell you that sometimes unfortunate and strange deaths happen in young people. Back around 2000 and I'm gonna say around 2005 might have been 2006. We had a young man that dropped dead of a heart attack of a he was in his mid 20s, maybe 27 at the oldest, who looked like the spitting image of health, right. But apparently, he had a strange heart condition that that's what killed him. I say this, because that happened around 2005 or 2006. And is so rare that I remember it. But today I - like my wife said not long ago. Well, I'm going to the funeral home, we got another 30 something year old. What she said was astounding to me. She said, what's really sad right now is that doesn't shock me anymore. And the number of babies I can't tell you how many babies I'm starting to see in in the in the in the cooler at the funeral home, and a lot of them are stillborn or they die just before you know. And it's horrifying. And what's even more horrifying is we don't we don't live in a huge area. But when the person that picked the baby up when he says there were four or five of them up there at the hospital at one time where there were two at one time. It's not that we don't never see babies die. Yes, it happens. But the numbers that we're starting to see these are is really become an alarming. I mentioned the 30 something year old. We I just I know of two funeral homes right now that well I say right now, within the last week or so had both one or both of them had a person in there that were in their 30s two funeral homes at one time. Where in the past, if a person dies in their 30s it was unusual and strange. Usually it was because they were in a car accident, or they decided to commit suicide, or they did or maybe they had a terminal cancer they were fighting for a long time. But not these sudden, everybody's shocked, now they're dead. And are they autopsy? I hate to say it. The majority of them I do not think are autopsied. Will Dove 58:36 Right. And that's important. But and I'm gonna get back to my line of questioning on that in a minute, gentlemen, but since you've brought up the babies, Richard, Jon, you have a very shocking story about all the miscarriages, would you please tell our audience? John O'Looney 58:51 Yeah, so first, for me, babies you don't get many babies die, you know. Generally, mothers go into hospital at the end of a pregnancy to have a child and that child successfully delivered. I first noticed there was a video from a young funeral director called Wesley, who's a British guy. And if you do a Google search for 'funeral director, Wesley' and then 'babies', you'll find it easy enough. And he was being interviewed outside the hospital, I believe. And he was very matter of fact and open about what he'd seen and the number large number of babies that he was seeing in the hospitals. Now usually the way it would work in certainly my area is hospitals would liaise with bereaved parents, they would give them a list of the funeral directors. And then the families would ring around and pick a suitable funeral director they - of their choice, you know, but I was hearing about all these he talks about all these baby deaths and I wasn't seeing them. And I couldn't understand you know, where all these babies that are dying going then. And then I was going down to the crematorium during the course of my work because most of the funerals that we do in the UK are cremation, of course, there's a small percentage, I would say that it's probably about nine to one. So one burial and nine cremations, there's various reasons for that. Land is expensive in the UK, cultural burials, so Catholics, West Indians, Africans, they like to be buried. Muslims like to be buried. The traditionally Europeans now kind of towards cremation. In the crematorium, you have waiting rooms for members of the public, congregation mourners to to congregate before they go into the chapel for the service. And there's an information board in these waiting rooms, and it lists all of the deceased for that day, so it will list the service time, the name of the deceased so the mourners know they're in the right chapel. And it also say the time of the service and what chapel it's in, and I began to see more and more babies listed. And more interestingly, underneath these deceased’s name, it has the name of the arranged - the arranging funeral director. So for example, it will say 3pm, oak chapel, Mr. John Doe, and the arranging funeral director. And I'm seeing more and more babies come up on the board and the arranging funeral director is suddenly our local hospital. So we then got talking to a member of staff at the crematorium. And he told us that the hospital sends vans up, sometimes it was six and eight babies on at a time. And I couldn't understand that because everything here on the NHS is done on a budget. It's a very different set up to, for example, America, where healthcare is primarily private, here it's taxpayer funded and everything is on a budget. So they were referring bereaved parents directly to funeral directors not dealing with a funerals themself because there'd be cost incurred for them then, but now it seems there's suddenly a change of policy where hospitals are liaising directly with crematoriums and cutting out the funeral directors. So we're not actually seeing that. And then I looked at a guy online called Dr. Luke McLindon. He's an Australian guy who worked in the Mater Hospital, and he's a fertility expert. I've kind of reached out to him and touch base with him just to verify he was who he said he was. And he was gracious enough to reply, and basically he collated the numbers for stillbirth and the normal number. A percentage of stillbirth in regular mothers is between 5% and 14%. Occasionally peaking at 16, I believe. And he discovered that the rate of miscarriage in vaccinated mothers was 74%. So three quarters of these women - lose - in Australia, in his area, are losing their babies. Now he raised the alarm on that. His bosses, did they congratulate him thanking him for raising the alarm. No, they sacked him straightaway. Yeah, with immediate effect for raising the alarm for what is a very serious medical issue. They won't address it. It's not being acknowledged. What can't people see? What can't people see? Yeah, so so this is what's happening. And we're not seeing any babies come through now. Because they've been shipped from the hospital directly to the crematorium. Will Dove 1:03:30 Right. And that's extremely important because you've given us a statistic from Australia, based upon what both of you are aware of, because the babies aren't coming to you. John O'Looney 1:03:40 No. Will Dove 1:03:40 But based on what you're aware of what you're hearing, you're seeing similar rates of miscarriages in Great Britain and in America. John O'Looney 1:03:47 Certainly, they're elevated. But whereas I would have evidence of that as a funeral director because the phone would be ringing, I'd have babies in my care. We're having none at all now, because they're shipping for the hospital straight to the crematorium. And bypassing the funeral directors certainly in my area. Will Dove 1:04:02 And the only they let me know let me make one conclusion here. The only possible way that because I know something about you, Jon, I know that you don't charge to bury John O'Looney 1:04:11 No, it's not... Will Dove 1:04:12 So there's not it's not cost. People are not doing that to save money. So the only reason I can think of why just about every one's baby is being sent directly to the crematorium from the hospital is that the hospital is instructing them to do that. John O'Looney 1:04:25 Yeah, to keep it quiet. Yeah, that's exactly the reason why I feel it's happening. I mean, especially this guy has got no reason to lie. He tells me six and eight babies at a time sometimes in this van that drops them off. I've seen the van six and eight at a time. These are numbers I've never heard of. And this is why I kind of you know, I'd like to hear what midwives have got to say, are they delivering more stillbirths? Who wants to address it? Is everyone going to just ignore it and think about their direct debits or is someone actually going to speak up? As Dr. Luke McLindon was decent enough to do so and do something about it, you know? Richard Hirschman 1:05:04 Well, the thing, do -- Will Dove 1:05:05 -- you have any thoughts on that? Richard Hirschman 1:05:06 Yeah, the thing is, Jon is, look what they've done to so many people that speak up. They sit there on one hand, they sit there, and they try to push this thing. When the government wants the information, they say, if you see something, say something, yeah. But it's something that the government doesn't want you to see. They then label you as a conspiracy theorist, they tried to sit there and, and discredit you. And then if they have the power, they will fire you. Now, Jon, you're in a position, you have your own funeral establishment, you're kinda like myself, I am self employed, I don't work for a funeral home, I work for I do work for funeral homes, and you own your own. But if you were still working for the big co-op, with you coming forward, they would have, they would have sacked you. John O'Looney 1:06:02 Oh, of course, I'd have been long gone. And it was very interesting with a co op, actually, because I did 10 years there. And the first five years were really good. And then some years ago, they were connected to the Co-op Bank. And it was just on the verge of becoming a big player. And they got stung for a load of toxic debt, and went under for the tune of, It was like half a billion. And they bought the money men in and it was all about money and trying to bail out the bank. And it's been very interesting, because this huge debt, that co-opted funeral care who have around half of the market share, have hanging over them has been really great leverage for total compliance. Do you know so these banks who now effectively own the co op funeral care because of this huge debt, that buys compliance, and none of these major figures in the coop will speak out? Not because they're not seeing it. But I would suggest because they'll dispatch them, they'll get rid of them, you know, and I've spoke to a large number of colleagues from within the co-op have reached out and they've agreed with what I've said. But they're all very frightened. And of course, they got you know, mortgage and kids and car payments. And so they say nothing. Richard Hirschman 1:07:15 Yes, so back up to babies, I'd like to add this other thing over here. The majority of the funeral homes in our area, if it's a if it's a baby, they usually don't charge anything for babies. Now, they might, sometimes as everything is getting more and more expensive, they might, if they do charge, it's usually very minimum, it's basically you know, at cost on some of the items, many of the items are donated to the family. But when it comes to the hospitals, and I could be wrong on this here, but I'm pretty sure I'm correct on babies that are, you know, miscarried or not full term, the family sometimes is given the option whether they want to get a funeral home involved. And of course, if they do, you know, any expenses will be then added, the family will have to take care of it, or often the hospital will go ahead and take care of you know, disposing of the of the baby. So, you know, we're a little bit different, you know, we don't have where at least I have not seen where a hospital is contracted with the funeral home to do cremation of the of the baby, which is often what happens. And a lot of these babies that we're now seeing here, they're still there, they're, they're in a in a position, they're so small, and they're either cremated or they're buried without any embalming done because, you know, - fragile - a really, really difficult to do, I've done them. But it's a lot of work. It's really hard work. But, you know, there are people that you know, they don't want to lose their job. If you work for a large corporation and you speak out and you share things that are happening within the embalming room, they will fire you and you will lose your job. And so there's a lot of people are afraid to speak. One of the reasons I feel like this is my personal belief, the reason why governments don't want this information out there, and even some of the Big Co Op funeral homes, larger corporations. if it gets proven that these shots are causing the abnormalities in the blood that is causing the excess death, those same corporations and governments were mandating this on the people. Therefore, they then become liable. If you're a criminal, you wouldn't want any evidence used against you, you are trying to discount everything and find an excuse to throw it away. And that's why I think so many people are not willing to look at this, especially higher up people, these governors, and these politicians, and a lot of these corporations, they force their employees, mandated, you get this shot, or you're gonna lose your job. And then if it comes to find out that these shots, which I'm sure it's coming, you're not going to be able to hide this, - oh, it's coming, it's coming. People are getting very angry, when it comes and is proven, they now have the liability, which they're trying to avoid. Will Dove 1:10:43 So we've covered some very important ground, we've determined that they are covering up the deaths of the children, the babies that are being miscarried, we've determined that they are using threats to shut up anybody who is being exposed to the truth, that they'll lose their jobs or lose their businesses. So I want to get back now to that line of questioning I was on before because it's very important, because there's one group of people yet that could speak out, and you've referred to them, the families of the deceased. And what I want to get to is why they haven't done that yet. And I have a theory about that. And I need you gentlemen to confirm it. So we start with Fact Number one, you've got a huge increase in younger people dying. The vast majority of maybe we can't say 100%, but the vast majority of them have been injected. As you said, Richard, a very small percentage are actually having autopsies done. And that's a very strange thing right there. 25 years ago, my father died at the age of 63 - suddenly. They did an autopsy. That was what you did when somebody died unexpectedly and didn't know why they died. And so it's very, very strange that they're not doing autopsies on these people. But here's the last question that I need you gentlemen to answer, when you do get in these bodies of younger people. And they've had an autopsy done. And sure they've gone through and as you described, they've, they've removed the organs and they've determined that it was a clot in the heart or clot in the brain or clot in the lungs. And then you have to embalm that body. Are you still finding those long, fibrous blockages in the veins? John O'Looney 1:12:17 Yeah, yeah, of course. It's two main clots that we're finding one is the traditional Jello cloths, but they seem to be a lot greater in number and a lot bigger. And the other one is these white fibers clots. Now we can, we can't do post mortems here, we can only look at a post mortem body if a family asked us to embalm. But we certainly found them in some of those bodies. Sometimes you tend not to look because it's become so normalized now. And we've become so busy, we just get on and do the job. And I think it's been well documented where, you know, we if I were to gather evidence from everyone that I suspected had died from these, I would have a cupboard full of them. And I know certainly Richard has got lots and lots of samples. I don't think it's in any doubt now, in anyone's mind, within the industry, what's happening. But at what point are they going to be acknowledged or what can't you know what point they're going to be recognized? I really don't know. I really don't know. It'd be interesting to see. Will Dove 1:13:22 Richard, are you still finding those fibers blockages? Richard Hirschman 1:13:25 Yes. A lot of times in the younger people, the youngest person I found the white fibrous blockage in is 20. Now I know there's some younger people that died. But even if it's not the white fibrous stuff, the ones that were autopsy, I'm finding that it has this the blood has this granular texture to it. We had another person, it was an autopsy. And I wanted to kind of you know, I wanted to go in and literally do kind of what Jon did. And that was open up that bag of viscera and literally go through all of the organs as I was looking for the heart especially, and the large aorta. And what I found shocked me and I had never seen this before and I don't normally always look through it all the time. But I've been involved at where they've done autopsies in the embalming room on private autopsy, so I understand a little bit of what they do. But I had never seen this before when I couldn't find the heart, exactly. You know, I couldn't find the heart there. But what I found was the arch of the aorta - the large arterial arteries. They literally dissected and cut open all of those arteries and butterflied them open just flat like this. So there was nothing in there. Nothing. I never seen that deep of cutting through all of these arteries. What were they looking for, my question is? Or, what would I taken out to hide? Right? Will Dove 1:15:17 Taking out? What were they taking out, but they couldn't hide it from you because they didn't look in the long veins of the body that you have to clear when you embalm them. John O'Looney 1:15:27 Yeah, certainly the aorta, but I think as these people who know what's going on, know who's going to likely be looking at the bodies? I don't doubt there's they've assigned people the task of clearing these bits out of these people. I don't doubt at all because I see it I know it's there. They can they can look me in the eye and tell me they can't see it. I know they're lying. Richard Hirschman 1:15:49 Now Will, I have a I had been contacted by an autopsy tech it's not the pathologist. He's just a technician that works in the lab with the pathologist that does a lot of the dissecting and they sit there and, and the autopsy tech a lot of times will be the guy in there that, you know, he does the big major cuts, you know, and prepares everything for the pathologist to do this stuff. And he told me that he has seen more of these white fibrous clots than he can count. And it all started last year. And he'd been doing this for like 30 years. Will Dove 1:16:34 So here's my here's my conclusion, gentlemen, and I want your opinions on this. Because as I started, when I when I started this line of reasoning, I said there's one group yet that could speak out that could shoot this whole thing wide open. And that is the families of the deceased, who get angry start asking questions. But the reason why I think they're not asking questions yet adds up to several things. First, as you pointed out, they're being told the cause of death was natural. heart attack, stroke, pulmonary embolism. The coroner's are being instructed to remove the evidence from the organs, quite possibly, from what you've told us, it sounds reasonable. Which means the coroners certainly aren't going to tell the families what caused that blockage. You're not going to because it'd be extremely poor taste, to tell grieving people what you're finding in the body. They certainly don't want to hear that. Yes. And so the reason is, they don't know that natural causes of death, and they'd have no evidence, to them that it was the shot that caused it. Yeah, John O'Looney 1:17:41 100%. And you have to remember that ultimately, what they're finding is a clot be that fibrous or traditional clots caused that death. That's all they're there to ascertain. I get people now who are coming in very angry. It's very interesting, actually. Because as a funeral director, when pre COVID. If I had 10 families in who'd lost someone in the hospital environment, they would all be upset, obviously, that's why they're there. I would say seven out of 10 were happy with the care they've received in that hospital. On reflection. I do know that there's one in 10 is happy now. They're all coming in frothing with rage. They know, they know, some are more aware than others. Be that because they feel their loved ones been euthanized with Midazolam, or has perhaps been put on a ventilator, you know, and died shortly afterwards. And I've had a number of doctors and nurses have told me once you go on a ventilator, that's your lot, you're gonna die, you're gonna die. So I would urge loved ones, you know, don't let your loved one be put on a ventilator. Because the reality is they're going to die shortly after that. And I can tell you that from experience, I speak to these poor people coming in. But even if they're angry, there's no one gonna listen to them. There's no one gonna listen to him. I take three or four phone calls a week now from angry, bereaved people from all over the country, begging me for the details of who can they go and get a second post mortem. Now what you tend to find is a very similar position to what the doctors are doing at the moment. So what we're seeing at the moment is loads and loads of gastro cases presenting. So the doctors are encouraging these people to go private consultation, them same doctors then go from the NHS, to the private hospital and consult for 400 quid an hour and then refer them back to the NHS, but they're not going to do anything with them anyway. So the greed. The greed that we're seeing in private practice here in the UK is beyond belief. And what these people who are desperate for a second autopsy is hoping for, is truth. They know there's malpractice, they know there is something very wrong there. But what they don't realize is the same coroners are just going to go and do it privately and take their money. It's their colleagues! So they're not ever going to say anything. They're going to confirm the findings of the first one because that's government policy. Yes. And that's it. There is nowhere for these people to go and I feel desperately sorry for them. To be honest because I, I don't know where to, you know, I've got - there's no one there to be honest with them. Will Dove 1:20:14 Richard, just before we get back to you, Jon, I promised about 40 minutes ago in this interview, that we're going to cycle back to Sir Graham Brady. Yes. Because you were talking about this man, who was you said, I'm using your words I was not familiar with Sir Brady, before you mentioned him. But you said that he's a top politician in the UK. This is a guy who hires and fires Prime Ministers. John O'Looney 1:20:37 Yeah, he's done it with the last and I don't know, I'm not into historically, politics. But he certainly the last three. Boris Johnson, he took him on and fired him. Liz Truss, hired and fired and Sunak, Richie Sunak. Psychopath Sunak. I call him he took him on as well. So he's certainly the most I mean, he's the commissioner of this 1922 Committee of people that pick these people. There isn't anyone much more powerful. And he admitted that it's above his pay grade. Will Dove 1:21:12 Right. So there's the important thing. Yeah, yeah. So we said chase this down. John O'Looney 1:21:18 Yeah, he said, he said he would do what he could. And he couldn't promise anything because it was above his pay grade. Will Dove 1:21:25 Right., so you guys, you were one of the original whistleblowers, both of you. You were showing people what you were finding in these bodies. And we've had this long conversation that's drawing us to this conclusion that they're hiding deaths. Through babies, they're hiding the deaths of the abnormally young people who were dying by saying it was, it was caused by a clot, but they didn't bother to pursue what caused the clot. They appear to even be removing these fibrous blockages from the visceral organs, so that they won't be found. You've got the top politician in Great Britain, saying it's above my paygrade. So is there any doubt in either of your minds that what we're looking at here is not incompetence, it's not medical malpractice. This is state sponsored, pre meditated murder. John O'Looney 1:22:19 I think what we're seeing, certainly when we sat with them, but I've come to realize is that these people, these elite look at us, with no more value than livestock. We are livestock. And what we're witnessing is Agenda 2030 it's a thinning of the herd. That's what it is, this is a global cull to thin down the numbers. And I spoke to a number of people the reason I say this is, the US and Europe probably account for around 30% of the population, but we use 70% of the resources. They want to thin the herd and the ones they target are the ones that use the most. We're used to democracy albeit a fake democracy, an orchestrated democracy. And they don't want that anymore. We've we are we have become the target for the main focus for the cull. And they're going to continue and these people are deeply entrenched clearly now. And as Sir Graham said that, in that meeting, people in power, don't give up that power easily. And they admitted that he said that. And, you know, he wasn't the only one at the meeting. So, you know, it's very, very dark times. I people have called me brave. I know people have called Richard brave. I don't particularly consider myself brave, because I came to once you understand what these people are doing, trust me when I say the consequences of not speaking out, are far more severe and catastrophic than speaking out. I don't talk about that on a personal level, I don't care what they do to me. I'm beyond care. And I do this for everyone else. Because if I don't speak out, who else is going to speak out? It's very much the same as I imagine how these poor young men felt getting off the landing craft, storming up the beach, in Normandy. Nobody wants to do it. Nobody wanted to do it. Everyone wants to live. Who wants to put their self in mortal danger, you know, but the consequences of not doing so means death for everyone. And you know, if my life could be a value where I could save even one person, and I'd gladly do it, and I will do it, I don't care. I'm gonna keep going until they drag me away and label me as a domestic terrorist. I really don't care. And when the truth comes out, and it will come out, and it is coming out, you've only got to look at Twitter, and the amount of people that are speaking out now these are not tinfoil hat people. These are very eminent, very well versed and very well educated professionals. You know, I'll be vilified I know I will. And I'm just very, very sad that as a society, we've allowed satanic demons to gain positions of control and do this to us. And I like to think that this is the beginning of the end for these demons, and I feel very proud to be part of that. I'm just despair really, that so many innocents have been killed and maimed. And I live now and hope that I will see the end of that. Will Dove 1:25:22 Richard, your thoughts? Richard Hirschman 1:25:24 Absolutely. In the beginning, in the beginning all of this stuff, I didn't want to believe this is about something that is nefarious and being done on purpose. I thought was my thought was this was maybe a big mistake, medical mistake, whatever you want to call it. However, as time has gone a long, if this was a mistake, it would have been shut down almost two years ago. They already had, what 1200 deaths within the first 90 days, they have shut down far. They have shut down other things for far, far, far less than that. So because they continue to push and continue and continue and continue, I just saw commercial on the TV, it was last night about the vaccine, it's safe and it's effective. They have known about the myocarditis for what a year now. Maybe, I mean, they have known about all these things. FDA now admits that the Pfizer causes blood clots, they knew about the Johnson and Johnson causing blood clots over a year ago. And yet, not one mention of any side effects on any commercial that I have seen dealing with this vaccine. And they continue to push this into a group of people six month old babies and up who have absolutely zero chances. I mean, almost a zero chance of dying from COVID like John O’Looney, you know how many by how many children I have embalmed that died from COVID? Zero, not one, not one. But I can tell you we've had babies that were dead from vaccinated mothers. I don't - it's just, It boggles my mind. And John O’Looney said something a long time ago. What leads him, he's got a moral compass. We care about people. You know, if, if, if we were about money, we wouldn't say a word. Oh, my God, there's so many people dying, we can make a killing. We would do really, really well just to shut up and just keep on burying the dead. But we know it's not about money for us. John, have you been offered any money to do the documentary Died Suddenly? John O'Looney 1:28:10 No, nothing. I'm not selling a book. I'm not doing a film. I haven't got t shirts or badges. I got an email last year from someone called Yvonne Meyers. who pretended to be from our team. No, she wasn't. I suspect it was probably one of the intelligence people but they offered me 85,000 pounds to give them my story as an exclusive. And the idea of that was to give three or four interviews over a period of four or five hours, they would then present that to the different networks and bind me contractually to them. So that when them networks then said Oh, no, we can't show that. I could never speak to anyone else because I've contractually bind. And that was enough money, 85,000 pounds would have cleared my mortgage. And it's not about the money. And I kind of said to them that I don't want a penny I talk to you, as long as you want me to talk to anyone. I don't want a penny I've been I've done talks locally. I've been as far as Buxton, I've driven two hours to go and speak to a roomful of people. I couldn't even bring myself to take petrol money. Because it's not about the money. This is about people. Richard Hirschman 1:29:18 And I'm in and same thing I have. I've traveled to places, I've spent money, I've had a couple people asked me if they could send me something to help cover some of my expenses. And I said absolutely not. Now if they were to take me and destroy my career and something maybe later on down the road, I might offer that but it's not about money. But John's thing about he had a moral compass and I have a moral compass two is about humanity. And I believe that what's wrong with the world is the world has lost its moral compass. We have put our faith and trust in big government and all these people, and unfortunately the power has gone to their head. So in the beginning, I did not want to believe that this was about a depopulation issue. I did not want to believe this was being done on purpose. But two years now into this, I cannot. I just can't see how this is not. John O'Looney 1:30:24 They can openly talks about. Gates has openly talked about it as any, you know, he said, we're going to depopulate. And we're going to do that through vaccination and healthcare. What did people think that meant? What did people think that meant? This is exactly what it means? Do you know so I've got no doubt in my mind whatsoever, and it will be a cold day in hell, before I ever submit my body to a gene therapy that I see is killing people around me and unprecedented numbers. There's verified in the VAERS data, there's verified in the ONS, when you've got people like Peter McCullough, Dr. Mike Yeadon, Delores Cahill and Dr. Tess, Lawrie, and Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi you know, and these other really eminent people, there's no way on earth, they're ever going to put that poison in me, willingly. Richard Hirschman 1:31:11 Yes, and we've had a fact checkers, I had one call me recently, Will, wanted to accuse or basically insinuate that I was being that I was receiving compensation for doing the documentary as if I'm being paid to say stuff. And I was I was really upset about it. And I told that lady, I said, I have not received one dime, I don't have a book to sell, I have no website, I have no Go Fund Me, I'm not selling any supplements. This is not about money. I said, you know, you know, try to try to accuse me of being paid. I said, there is somebody being paid lady, and that is you, you're being paid to try to find a way to discredit what we are trying to say. We are simply just trying to provide information for the public, to warn them something, that something is very wrong. And I believe it's the vaccine, you can write what you want about me. But if I am right, let the blood of the dead and the injured be on your hands and not ours. John O'Looney 1:32:16 Amen. Richard Hirschman 1:32:17 We are here just trying to help humanity. Nobody in that documentary received any compensation. They're just trying to share the truth of what they're seeing. John O'Looney 1:32:28 The vaccines were never about COVID. COVID was solely about the vaccines. Will Dove 1:32:34 Yes. So gentlemen, I want to finish with this last question. Because both of you have to deal with the families of the deceased, the people who are grieving for people they've lost. And I made allusion earlier, to the idea that these may be the people who can turn this around. They're the ones who will start to get angry and speak out. And so there's going to be people watching this interview who have lost family members. Sadly, it's going to be many more watching this interview, who will lose family members. What advice do you have for them, John O'Looney 1:33:07 Make a fuss, make a fuss, there's no smoke without fire. You know, in your heart if something's very, very wrong, push it and don't give up and keep going. That's all you can do. You're going to be banging your head on a brick wall. Because the way the system is designed at the moment is to cut - to keep hiding it. But if enough people speak up and make it fuss, collectively, we can make a difference. And hopefully not only can we prevent death, but we can get justice for those that have been unlawfully killed. Richard Hirschman 1:33:38 I would like to add to that one of the one of the biggest things I want to say for the people remember who did this to you. It wasn't your neighbor. It wasn't your brother, your sister, whatever. It was your government, the government and the corporations that mandated this stuff down on top you. You've got to remember who did this to you. They want you to be angry at the unvaccinated. They want the unvaccinated to be angry at the vaccinated. They want us to fight each other and we don't need to do that. John O'Looney 1:34:25 Divide and conquer. Richard Hirschman 1:34:26 There is a way to win this without having to go through a whole lot of fighting physical fighting without using bloodshed. And that is you stand up and you stand up against these people that did this to you. Now people are starting to ask. I have been asked this question from people message out to me. My my brother died 30 something years old found dead died suddenly. How do I find out if they had these strange anomalies in their blood? This is a difficult question. My advice to the people that have a loved one that dies and you want to know you're gonna have to find the embalmer, the person who embalmed the their loved one. And you're gonna have to say, Listen, I understand, I'm prepared for the truth. I want you to be honest with me. Did you see anything abnormal about my loved ones' blood. And I say that because if you just go up and ask an embalmer or funeral director, they are not going to want to add more fear into you, they're not going to want to bring you anything, you're already dealing with the loss of your loved one, they're not going to want to just openly Oh, yeah, by the way, you're brother. Boy, he had so many clots, it was horrible, and they don't, they're not going to want to say that. They're gonna say, you know, there's really nothing you can do for them right now. You know, just don't worry about it. You know, and the real thing is you've got to speak to the embalmer. You don't - you can speak to the funeral director. And I've had this happen to me, where the funeral director was asked by the family, and then the funeral director then calls me and say, Hey, on such and such a day, you embalmed for us this person? Did they have the strange clots? And I've had to answer both ways. Yes. And I've had to answer no. And the only reason why I was able to answer that is because on my documentation at my house that I keep, in my record, I annotate it. Because I knew eventually this day will come. So I've been keeping the records on my computer. If there's no clotting, there's no it's not highlighted at all. If there's clotting, and it's yet somewhat suspicious, but it's not really bad. I highlighted in yellow. If it's really bad, the white fibrous stuff, I highlight that in orange. So I can tell the person if they call and ask eventually, that may become evidence in future cases. That's how. So I think the people need to realize who did this to you, who shut your government - who shut your business down? Who told you to stay home? Who told you to cover your face? Who told you not to see your, your dying grandmother in the in the care home? Who told you, you couldn't go see your wife in the hospital? Because, you know, there's a pandemic, those poor people died alone, that in itself was a crime against humanity. I mean, governments have got to be held accountable. And I don't care how we do this. But we've got to put an end to it. And these governments better realize, there are more of us than there are of them. Tiananmen Square in China years ago was a bad situation. But if the people of Tiananmen Square, were to rise up and charge and take down those people that were firing upon them, they would have been out numbered. And those that fell and died in that attack would be known as heroes. So if you stand back, like John was saying earlier, the worst place in the war is to be on the front line. Who wants to be up there taking the bullets? Nobody. But if you do nothing at all, they will come for you. Hmm? They will come for you. They're coming, everybody loses. Will Dove 1:39:06 What has been wisely said. The only thing is required for evil to triumph is for -- John O'Looney 1:39:11 -- good men to do nothing.. Will Dove 1:39:15 Gentleman, I want to thank you, both of you, sincerely for speaking out, for taking your time for this extensive interview to lay down the proof that this is intentional. Richard Hirschman 1:39:27 Well, thank you Will. John O'Looney 1:39:29 And then God bless all the Canadians so just wanted them to know that, you know, as a British man, I haven't forgotten them and I fight for you and your family as much as I do my own. Will Dove 1:39:39 Indeed we all do. John O'Looney 1:39:40 I haven't forgotten you. And I'm going to keep going I promise. Richard Hirschman 1:39:44 Yeah. We need to fight for humanity. Amen. nationality, John O'Looney 1:39:49 We are one love. One light. Doesn't matter where you're from or what religion This is an attack on humanity itself. And only humanity together will overcome it and when we do and we will, collectively we'll be closer than we've ever been. Richard Hirschman 1:40:05 It starts with the moral compass that you talked about, John, John O'Looney 1:40:08 Amen. We've all got it inside us. We all know we ought to behave. It's up to people to realize the consequences of not speaking out are far worse than the consequences of speaking out. You know, nobody wants to be the first on that beach today. You know, people are stepping onto that beach now talking behind us, and let's get this done. And let's get these. Let's get rid of these monsters. Will Dove 1:40:32 Thank you, gentlemen. John O'Looney 1:40:34 God bless you. Richard Hirschman 1:40:34 God bless you too.