Autogenerated Transcript We live in a surveillance state. Governments and corporations are constantly implementing new methods to monitor and control us. And their future intents go far beyond freezing bank accounts, or even arresting people for social media comments, as recently happened to a 28 -year -old man in the UK. The intent is not just practical controls, such as could be achieved through CBDCs, but social engineering, creating a complacent and obedient populace who not only won't step out of line, but won't want to. AIs that will generate messages not for demographic segments of the population, but for individuals. And these social engineering AIs will work carelessly. 24 -7. But that level of control can only be achieved if those governments and corporations have access to high levels of surveillance on us. So while we can't do anything about the technologies that are and will be employed in an attempt to achieve fine -brain control over all of us, we can prevent the required surveillance. Glenn and Eric Meador are the founders of the Privacy Academy, a U .S.-based organization that specializes in training people to protect their privacy, to prevent the surveillance these organizations need before they can even attempt to control us. And the best news is, their advice is geared for those who are not computer savvy. In fact, Glenn and Eric will be holding a free webinar for my viewers this coming Thursday, August 22nd, on protecting your privacy. You'll find a sign up link below this interview. Glenn, Eric, welcome to the show. Thank you for having us. It's been about a month since we last talked. We're kind of exchanging favors here. You guys interviewed me a while back. It was very... your initiatives, and especially with the Privacy Academy. So let's just start there with what is privacyacademy .com. Yeah, so Privacy Academy is, it's something that developed out of my newsletter and teaching people how to be private and secure online, and people just really loved it. So we grew the business into a very focused thing where we teach people how to be private and so. It is a time that we have to take steps to protect ourselves and our privacy just so we can be secure and secure our own liberty. Yeah, to add to that, so Glenn had his newsletter, he would write articles about how to get private online, and then eventually it evolved into an online course and community. We do weekly live trainings. We have courses with videos that people can watch. And like Glenn said, it's based off of freedom, but the way we do it is so the average non -techie person can learn how to get private online because it can be really overwhelming if you just jump into the deep end. Yeah. I'm going to ask kind of a question that seems like a left turn. It's really not. Eric, how old are you? Yes. I'm 25 years old. Okay. And so this is something your father started, I believe, Liberty Zeppelin or was now LibertyZep .com, which is a substack. You've been doing this newsletter, Glenn, for something like 10 years now. Yep. Which means, Eric, you were 15 when he started doing this. Yes. And we see a lot, and the reason why I'm going this direction, we see a lot of the younger generations being taken in by what's going on. They think it's perfect normal to have everything that you do and say monitored all the time. Obviously, your father was a big influence. So that's probably, I would assume, what kind of brought you into this and understanding what's going on. But what are your concerns? Before we get into Privacy Academies too much, what are your concerns for your generation? Yeah, it's interesting that you say that my generation is a topic that I'm very interested in. And I'm actually working on a side project specifically for the youth, then I can come back and talk to you more about in detail as I get further on it. But I think there is a huge radical agenda that's being pushed on them. A lot of things are being normalized, the removal of privacy for one, the removal of identity and critical thinking skills. They're being indoctrinated in public schools. But as it relates to privacy, people are not only going on applications that spy on them, but they're happy to share as much information as they can with the world. And they're seeing people be rewarded for more, the more that they share, the more they get rewarded. So, yeah, they're completely brainwashed. And what form do those rewards take? I mean, if you just look at influencers, for example, there's so many people that are flexing their wealth, basically, or their fame or anything, just for doing dumb stuff online, they get famous. The more they share, okay, I'm going to share something really depraved, something really embarrassing because this drama will get more clicks. It gets shared with other people and then they get famous and people think, okay, if I want to be rich and famous, I should record myself doing dumb stuff online and then get money. So I mean, that's one end of it, but there's a lot of stuff that goes into it. Now, Glenn, you've been talking about wanting to help non -techie people, which is great because there's a lot of people and you're in my generation who and we'll fully admit to being computer dummies. I get messages like that from subscribers all the time saying, please help me. I'm a computer dummy. I don't know what to do. How often it's very, very basic stuff. Yeah. Well, it's basic stuff, but there is a lot to know. And, I mean, that's really the danger of privacy in general is if people start getting excited about this and learning about the need for it, and then they dive into watching YouTube videos and different websites and all this stuff. And then they'll quickly get overwhelmed with, oh, my God, I didn't realize there was so much to do here. And they're going to, they just throw up their hands and say, I can't do this. I'm not techy enough. But that's not true. What it is is those sources of information, first of all, you're overloading yourself and you don't have a plan. So if you just kind of jump into the deep end and just look at all of these things out there, there's not a plan moving forward. So you have to have a plan to get you from, okay, you're here. We want to get you here. Let's go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And just take you on a plan. But then it's, what we do is it's short little bite -sized pieces. And that's what we try to focus on and where we say, okay, now do this. Don't look at anything else. Don't go out there and try to absorb all kinds of other stuff. Just look at this, just do this, then move this, then do this, then do this. And that's really our approach. And our specialty is non -techie people because there are other resources out there for learning privacy, but but really they're people that are typically kind of computer geeks talking to other computer geeks and they really don't know how to talk to the average person. And that's what we do is we just kind of distill it down to the most important things. Do this, do this, do this. And then you look back after doing, after taking these steps, you look back and say, wow, I've really come a long way with this. But it's just doing one thing at a time, just moving forward in the most, you know, through. And it's a process that you're going to guide them through with Privacy Academy so that they can do this with surety and not have to worry about, well, what's the 12th step when I'm still working on the first one? So let's talk about, though, what we're protecting them from. Eric has already pointed out that his generation is out there freely sharing their information. Most of our generation is sitting here going, oh, God, they're going to get a hold of my information and we don't want them doing that, what sorts of things are we protecting people from? Yeah, so it is a very clear case of what these big tech companies are doing and the governments are doing is they're spying on us, they're collecting our data without our consent, they're doing all of this stuff without our consent. They don't tell us what they're actually doing. So, for example, Google, everyone uses... every single Google product is a Trojan horse. It is specifically designed to steal your data. That is why they are doing it. And that is really important to understand. And what they're doing with this data when they get it is they're using it against. And that's what, you know, you look at all of the scary stuff coming with digital IDs, central bank digital currencies, the coming social credit system that they're putting all the pieces in place for this. The foundation of that, of all of that is surveillance. And so what they're doing is they've realized that information is power. And when they have information about you, they have power over you. And that is very real power that they can use to manipulate you and control you. And that is what they're doing now. And we see this with Google now. Google is extremely advanced at manipulating elections. And I mean, we could go down that rabbit hole in a big way. But they have tremendous power to control election outcomes based on just, You know, what do they, you know, you search for something in Google, the first few things that show up, that's really, people don't look to the second page or even down the page. They just want to see the first few things. So Google can arrange those things. And they can really, I mean, this is a proven fact. They can manipulate elections to a high degree. And so they can control us and that's what they're doing and that's what they're able to what they're able to do and that's what governments are working on colluding with big tech to to do now eric another thing i'll okay go ahead another thing i'll add to that too is people often think that the data collected on them is just going to be used for advertisements because people do know that data is collected then you get advertised maybe a cruise to Italy, if that's what you've been talking about, but it goes so much deeper than that. I mean, for example, if you use YouTube with an account or Twitter or any basic social media, you'll be able to see how well it knows you by what it recommends to you, but it's creating a profile on you. And that profile is how they'll manipulate you. So, for example, let's say you have certain interests, it'll know that about you. And And over time, it can really laser focus in on this profile that it's created. And that gets really dangerous when we start seeing things like what Glenn mentioned, like central bank digital currencies, which is basically programmable money, which with the Canadian audience, I'm sure you're very well aware of this with the trucker convoy. Social credit systems, digital IDs, vaccine passports, they can all be used against you. And the amount of data that they have is just so alarming. Now, I wanted to ask you, Eric, and thank you for that addition, if your family dynamic is anything like mine, and I'm assuming it's very close to the age, you're 25, my eldest is 23. My eldest, like you, is very aware of what's going on, although not involved. She's got her own career. She's working on. Glenn, on my generation, a lot of what we're concerned about is the government, yes and corporations monitoring what we're doing, manipulating us, possibly controlling our bank accounts, controlling where we can go, what we can do, what we can spend. And that's us. Your generation, I think, is a little different, as we've already discussed about, that a lot of them are just, they're completely oblivious. They're out there sharing everything and not understanding what can be done with all of that. But for those of you, your friends who you know, people who are in your age group, What is it that you guys are concerned about in terms of all of this surveillance and control? An interesting question. Quite honestly, I don't think many of my peers even understand the depth of what's going on. I do have some that care about it, and I'd say it's along the same lines of what you guys care about. The people who are aware, I think the threat is pretty evident of what the threat is. So anyone my age, I might have two or three friends that are aware. I'd say they, they are probably concerned about the same thing, quite honestly. Okay. Yeah, I, uh, can I expand on that? Because, please, please. There, there is something that I'm very concerned about for the teens. And, uh, this is something that Eric was aware enough. Because he grew up with me and he knew, uh, He'd heard about all of this stuff before. Do you mind if I tell this story, Eric? Yeah, go for it. So, you know, when Eric was, you know, out of high school, but before he really figured out what he wanted to do, he kind of went through some hard times, right? And as many people that age do. And he was working at a as a as a as a as a as a line cook in a restaurant and one thing he noticed is is he was quite upset that day and he was listening to the same song on repeat all day when he was working and so he got off work and you know he was he was um he just decided to look at ticot and And he was flipping through his timeline. And then this meme came up. So this was about 2020, was it there? Yeah, around then, yeah. So this meme showed up in his timeline. And it was a very dark computer drawing, or it was a very dark cartoon of a line cook. And it was like an angry line cook. And then there was wording above it. And it said, when you're a line cook, the edge. And I think that is exactly what's happening. And so if you take a step back and look at that, I think what that is, if we look at the bigger picture of that is TikTok is owned by China. And I think the President Z is, you know, the art of war came out of China. They know they know this, they know how to do this. So President Z met with the president of TikTok and said, I want you to destabilize the teens in the, in the West, and especially the US. And so then the president of TikTok went to the AI people in TikTok and said, okay, this is what we want to do. We want to destabilize the teens in the U .S. and the West. And so I want you to bring them down this rabbit hole of depravity and depression and drugs and all of this other stuff. And so that's what he did. And they turned this AI on. And then this AI, what AI is really about, most people don't understand what AI is about. AI is able to watch you and know you and it knows your hot buttons and your triggers and what makes you respond, what doesn't make you respond. It's like somebody looking over your shoulder every second of every day, never blinking and is able to control what you see based on that. But I think it's more than that. I think it's able. And when we first came out with this and said, you know, this is what they did. just for Eric and draw this cartoon that was that was just for Eric. But now with ChatGPT and how advanced AI is, it's painfully obvious how simple of a process that would be to make a meme that was just focused on Eric. If that computer was able to watch him and learn his hot buttons and learn what he's doing, all of that stuff, it'd be a piece of cake. So what the way I They can say, okay, now we want you to take them from there to this depraved place and this depressed place and this feeling of worthlessness and all that stuff. And it can take each person on its own individual path down this path of knocking them out of balance. And 60 Minutes did an article, a section on this where TikTok, the TikTok in China is the spinach version of TikTok. It is actually really helps the kids. It gives them the, you know, it encourages them to exercise and traditions and all of that stuff. Be kind to your parents, all of that stuff. And what they called was the West was the opium version of TikTok. But I think it goes far beyond this. And I've never heard anyone else talk about this, but I think this is the level of sophistication that social media has. And I don't think it's just TikTok. I think it's Instagram, Facebook, all of these things have the same level of sophistication. So anyway, that was a long rant, but that's an insight that I have had and Erica's had. And let I had just a quick, a few things to that too as well. So one thing that I would like to add, so we see how powerful AI is now. Whatever we see as the public, we have to know that behind the scenes, there's so, the technology is much, much more advanced that's controlled by, you know, these big organizations in the government. But honestly, this story, it was very jarring for me when it happened. And it's one of those stories that I almost don't like talking about because it sounds so unbelievable. It just sounds fake. And I, I don't like saying it because I don't want it to sound fake, but it happened. If it helps any, Eric, I absolutely believe this happened. Because I absolutely believe that's where they're trying to go to, to target each individual. So I want to ask you, what was your reaction when you got that meme showing up in front of you. Oh yeah. I mean, when I saw that, I was, I was semi -aware, like Glenn said, I was in a bad place at that time. It was about five years ago, and it was actually a catalyst that made me get off social media and start really taking this stuff seriously. So it's a good thing for me, but the machine probably learned, okay, I pushed a little too hard. He got off the machine. So he got off of the social media. So they learned, okay, let's not be as blatant next time. The recommendation was too tailored. He saw through the illusion, I guess. Possibly. I would like to think that that's the case, that maybe you taught an AI not to push too much. But I think for every case like you, there was another kid out there who stepped off of a building, took a drug overdose, whatever. It's a horrible statistic, but teen suicide is so common. It's conclusion. Before the age of computers, we had shotgun ads. We're for everybody and hopefully you'd target the largest mass of people. Then we get computers and then you can go back 25 years and I could remember setting up Facebook ads where you could target them demographically. You could target them by political leaning. You could target them by what other websites they'd been looking at. Now we can have these AIs monitoring people watching everything they're doing, calculating based upon what other people like them have responded to, and it gets worse, folks. It's not just that that AI is going to be putting messages in front of you to manipulate you. It's going to be setting you up to be manipulated. By engineering the messages you get to drive you down a particular path of emotion or reasoning to get to a point where it can push a button and make you do something yeah yeah i think it's already there yeah and if you think about that story so where would it gather that information it maybe it sees the location it sees me driving every day to culinary school and then going to a kitchen the same day okay he's a cook maybe um it maybe it's between the text that i have with my friends maybe it notices the things that i message my friends that make me depressed and then they highlight that on my algorithm. It can see Spotify. It can tell what I'm listening to. It can tell my emotion. And then it can use all of that to just like you said, really manipulate someone. And I think it really, it is the cause behind a lot of this troubled youth. So let's go back to something you were talking about earlier, Glenn, because I think we've come down the right road to go to this. You talked about manipulating elections. You guys have one coming up in the next few months. We've got coming up in the fall of next year. How are they doing this? How are they manipulating elections through AI through surveillance? What do people need to be aware of? Yeah. Well, I mean, Google has actually gotten in trouble with this within the past couple of weeks. Because when you type in, when you type something in to Google. There's a couple of different ways that they manipulate this. And this is actually research done by a doctor named Dr. Robert Epstein. And it's actually very thorough what he says. But there's a few different ways. So if you type in something in the Google search bar, right, it has the auto -complete suggestions that come up below the search bar. So I start typing in Donald Trump a sad kind of catches your eye, you go click on that instead of finishing typing what you're going to type. So that's one of the things. But the most, well, it's not the most significant, but one of the more powerful things is when you type something in and then the search results come up, I think it's 50 % of people click on the first thing that shows up, the first result of that search. 90 % of people click on something in the first page. And so if they can control the results of what you see on that first page, that's what you're going to see. And so let's say you type in Donald Trump and then just a bunch of negative stuff shows up on that first page, then your perception becomes very negative of Donald Trump. And you think, okay, well, Is that really going to affect people? But they showed that this was able to change people's perspectives and who people vote 33 % of the time. And this even affected people who were pretty certain of who they were going to vote for. But especially people that were undecided, it would definitely affect who they vote for. And so Robert Epstein, you know, did countless tests on this. And he tested it on local elections, international elections, India, all of the stuff. And he found the exact same thing happening all over the world is they could control elections to a really high degree. Now, that's not even their most important or their most powerful tool. Their most powerful tool is censorship. You know, just not showing certain things, not having certain information available, not having different perspectives. I mean, we saw this with COVID where, you know, how many people got, you know, scientists, doctors, got their, got their videos taken down from YouTube. They were shadow banned, band, which means that they think they put it up there, but, you know, people aren't really watching it. Why are people not watching it? It's because they're not searchable. So you can put it up there, but not make it searchable. And anyway, they can really control people with censorship. That's their most powerful tool that they have, because they are the gateway for knowledge in this world is Google. That's a pretty scary thing. Yes. and Eric, I'm going to ask a sound bite, they want a meme, and they make up their minds based upon that five seconds or three seconds of time investment. Do you think that there's a way that we can change a younger generation and even the ones that are coming up behind you to teach them, yes, not just critical thinking skills, but you can't know anything in five seconds. You have to invest some time. Do you think um them to what's really going on and then they started developing these things on their own. I don't think so. I think it would come down to, you know, you have to step in, whether it's homeschooling. I think having very important discussions over critical thinking and emotional discipline, like I said, that comes into play. I don't know. I've been thinking about this a lot too because even myself, I don't read as much as I want to. I don't study as much as I want to. I just mainly read articles. I don't read books anymore and it's something I want to do, but it's hard with how the times are changing and how busy the day is. So, yeah, I hope that with enough training that comes from parents and then kids could maybe grow on their own. Yeah. Now, Glenn, I'm going to hit you with the same question, but for our generation because we do have a problem. Your viewers, my viewers, they tend to be the critical thinkers, the ones who do take the time to educate themselves. We've got a huge segment of the population out there who, and this is something I talk about, I'm going to digress for just a second. I was asked to give a speech about a year and a half ago is why does independent media matter? Well, the answer is simple. Because people who have bad information make bad People have good information and make good decisions. Mainstream media is lying and giving people bad information. The only place you're getting good information is from independent media like us. We're telling people the truth. And if people have the truth, they have good information. They can make good decisions. So we've got a huge segment of our population out there in our age group, Glenn, who could potentially be making much better decisions if we could just get them to invest a little bit of time in absorbing the truth. Do you think there's some way to get through to them? Yeah, I think, you know, I think the thing that has to happen is people have to become much more skeptical than they are. I mean, if the mainstream media is so obvious to me that they're an arm of the, basically in the intelligence agencies now. They're all in lockstep. And we have to get people questioning what they hear and doing, you know, getting their, getting their information from alternative sources, like you say, such as podcasts, such as independent journalists that don't have this lockstep thing that they do. And, you know, I think this is the vast majority of people on this planet are really good people. But there, I mean, it's a proven fact that there is about 1 % of the population that are literal psychopaths. And then 3 % of the population are psych, sociopaths. And those, those are the people, I mean, a lot of times those are the people that are in prison and very violent Island and all that stuff. But there's other ones that are very adept at blending in with society and they want power. And these are the power seekers. And so I've written articles on this where those psychopaths are attracted to positions of power. And so we've got politicians, media, you know, celebrity. All of these things are, those are the positions that cyclopass politics that are psychopaths, literal psychopaths. They would kill me, kill you, and do anything to raise, to succeed in this world. They would, they will do anything without remorse. They don't, psychopaths don't have any remorse. They don't think about things the way, the same way we do. So I think we need to think about that stuff and just realize that the people in power sometimes they're good people but a lot of times they're just liars and they're actors and they're not good people and we have to as the good people we have to stand up we have to do we have to take power into our own hands and uh so that's where i think we need to be and And I, go ahead, Eric, please. Yeah, let me just add one more thing because I was thinking about it when Glenn was talking. But I think another important step that it'll come to is quite, I mean, I don't want to sound depressing, but I think things might have to get worse because people are still living their normal lives. You know, they're going to the movies, they're going out to dinner. They're seeing this stuff, but it's not affecting them in huge ways. If we look at COVID, That was something that really shook up the world. And it was awful, but I think it awakened a lot of people. So as things progress, I think more and more people will understand what's at stake, and that that will make them step up to the plate of learning more. Hopefully so. And I want to just throw another perspective on this, because you ask Glenn's absolutely right. We've got a percentage of people that they're psychopaths, sociopaths, they're going to seek power. But even without that, I would say we have a problem between liberals and conservatives. I'm using small L, small C here, so I could refer into Democrats, Republicans, I'm recurring in candidates to liberals and conservatives. It has to do with a mindset. A liberal is someone who believes that society is responsible for the individual, and a conservative is someone who believes the individual is responsible for society. So even if you have a altruistic liberal in government, and they exist, they do. I've met some of them, people who are genuinely concerned about the country. Their mindset, though, is the government wants as much control as possible because they believe society, quote, unquote, the government is responsible or the individual. And so the more power they have, the more they can take care of people. But that just leads to weak people. And weak people can be easily controlled. And you guys have an election coming up, and this is where I'm leading into this. Sure, some of the people in both sides there, Democrats, Republicans are psychopaths, sociopaths, but a lot of them are just functionaries in government, representatives, perhaps, who they're not psychopaths or anything, but if they're a Democrat, they probably believe in more government. So what do you guys, and I'm, this is more of a broad question, not just that you have an election coming up, another thing that we did a poll here recently. And that poll, it was actually the government that put out the poll, it was a 35 question survey on what, quote unquote, Canadians are concerned about in the future. And one of it, but what they did was they gave it to 500 government employees. So I took their survey and I reproduced it at one of my websites, and we had over 200 conservatives take it, and of course we got very different answers. But something that both sides were actually concerned about was the possibility of a civil war in the U .S. You've got right now a vice of election, possibly more so than any election has been in the past. You've got them doing predictive programming. If you recall back before the pandemic, there was a series of movies on pandemics. Well, what did you guys have recently? You've had a movie called Civil War. They're prime in the pump for this. Are you guys concerned about, to what degree, that makes this a more open -ended question? To what degree are you concerned about division in your country and how all of this surveillance and manipulation feeds into that. Yeah, it's interesting you say that because I wrote an article recently called They Won a Civil War. Don't give it to them. I saw that. Yeah, because, you know, the premise of this is the main thing that we have is the Constitution, the U .S. Constitution. The U .S. Constitution is that line in the sand that the government can't theoretically cross. They have obviously crossed it, but it is stopping them from implementing their plans. I mean, the Constitution, the whole purpose is to limit the power of the government. There's no one in government or the people in government do not like it. And this is one of the reasons I think that they want the Civil War because they want to be able to rewrite the Constitution or adjusted or just get rid of it. And so I think it's very important that we don't do that. And I think the solution instead, at least in the U .S., is that the states, we're not properly following the Constitution because the 10th Amendment to the Constitution gives the power to the states, not to the federal government. The federal government does not have the authority to create the CDC, does not have the authority to create the FDA. I mean, you can go USDA, all of these things. The federal government does not have the authority to do that. So the state governments need to step up and say anything that the federal government, that are not elected on, or they're not voted on, they're just created by bureaucrats, that's the swamp. Those are the, that's what's really dangerous right now. And I'm not saying that would be the whole solution, but that is, that would really solve a huge number of the problems in the U .S. right now. Eric, your thoughts. No, I agree completely with what he's saying. I think a big part of it's going to come down to rebuilding stuff on a community level. And instead of being radical and saying, like, going all the way to the extreme where a war needs to happen, I think people need to take it one step at a time. It's like what we're talking about with privacy earlier. If you look at the whole thing all at once, you're going to be super overwhelmed. It's like, okay, how could I ever recover my country from what it used to be to where it is now, how could I get it from there, from where it is to back to that? I mean, you have to do it one step at a time like brick by brick. Yes, you're absolutely right. Please please keep going. Another thing I'd also want to say is, you know, don't let social media or what you see online dehumanize people either. I think instead of, you know, being afraid of expressing yourself with other people, I think it's about building bridges instead of burning them and trying to have these conversations and not dehumanize the other side of the spectrum and try to rebuild as much as we can. So we went down a bit of a rabbit trail, but I think it was important to discuss the societal impacts, the political impacts of all this surveillance and the programming that's coming out of it. But I want to get back to the surveillance itself. And I want to talk about two broad categories. One, the surveillance that people sign up for and the surveillance that they don't. and I know that both of us have that connects to their phone, and they can talk to their AI friend, and their AI friend will talk back to them, and it goes everywhere with them. And as we've been sitting here discussing, gentlemen, that's not what it's for. It's to surveil these people and control them 24 -7. Yep. Yep. And of course, the target is younger people because one of the things that has come out of the mass abuse of social media is the isolation of younger people, that they don't get up and talk to real people anymore. skepticism is very important. The problem is they're seeing these new technologies and all they're looking at is convenience or wow, that's cool. I'm excited to do that. But no one's questioning what the bigger picture is here. I mean, it's to the point where people say you're a conspiracy theorist if you talk about this stuff. And yeah, I don't know. If it keeps going down this road, people will be just so deeply entrenched in their technology that's spying on them, that they might never be able to break free from it. Or I don't, I don't want to say never, but it's going to get very hard for them to, you know, it's going to be a rough awakening for them. Well, I'm positive. We're going to see a rash of especially young people, not just. Honestly, I think there might be a percentage of them that will be older people as well, you know, widowers, widows who are living alone, who suddenly now have an AI friend they can talk to. And they're going to end up going through some kind of 12 -step program to get off of this thing because they're not going to be able to, it's going to be like breaking up with a spouse. It's like having a marriage fall apart after they've spent months or years with this AI friend talking to them and learning their responses and learning what sort of responses to give to them that will get whatever sort of control that they're looking for. Glenn, what are your thoughts on this? Yeah, so I think, you know, I'm very conscious of the danger of AI, but I don't think we need, I don't think we can totally ignore AI. I think it's important that we also have good people using AI too. And there are tools that you can do with AI where you can keep it private. And so we're exploring this now where you can have local AI on your computer that is in your control as opposed to using a cloud -based thing that is monitoring you. But you also have, I mean, definitely the danger of AI is that the people in power have the money and the power to implement it against us. And so one of the things that we like to talk about right now is there is, it's really time to get off of computers. It's really time to get off of big tech computers like Mac or Windows. Because what's happening now is Windows machines, for example, are now being built with a new chip in them. It's called, it's an AI chip. And so that will run AI on your device. And that device will run an AI that's called recall. And it's all the copilot and recall. And it's basically what it does. And this is for Windows machines. It'll take a screenshot of your screen every, every second. And it will then, then that screenshot will be analyzed by the AI. and the AI And so you can just go into recall and it will pull that up because it can see everything that was on the screen. So it can see that you were looking at a brown purse. So they're kind of selling it to you, but it's really surveillance. They're surveilling you and they're building the surveillance into the computers. And this is why it's getting really scary now, actually. And so what we're recommending people to do is, it is definitely time to get off of Windows and Mac computers. It is definitely time to go to Linux. There are some really good Linux distributions now. And I know that doesn't necessarily make sense to people. But understanding Linux is a very important part right now. And there are some ways that you can do Linux where it is very easy to use. Linux, the Linux operating system has been around for a very long time, but it hasn't been usable by the average person. You have to be like a computer geek to use it. But now there are some flavors of distribution, of flavors of Linux that are out there now that are user -friendly. And This is the time to do that. This is the time to make that move because, you know, people just don't understand the level of deceit and sneakiness of these big tech companies and the government in how they're using these tools to spy on them. And it's time to really wake up to that. Yes. Now, you were talking, Glenn, about AI co -pilot, the program for Windows, and oddly enough, just a few days ago, I was looking at that because the comment needs to be made, and you kind of referred to this, AI is not in and of itself, good or evil. It's just a tool. It's like a gun. It depends what you do with it. I use certain AI tools in my own business to speed up workflow on certain things. And so I was looking at AI co -pilot, because I hadn't heard of it before. I bumped into it online. I went, oh, well, that sounds interesting. Maybe I could teach it to do certain tasks on my system. I think I spent 10 seconds reading the AI co -pilot website. And I went, nope, not a chance. This is spyware. This is going to start reporting on everything I'm doing, not just online, but on my system. But, of course, I'm fairly tech savvy. You guys are. We recognize that stuff like that. I want to give a little bit of a plug for Privacy Academy and for the webinar that you're going to be giving to my own viewers very soon. this is exactly like commander data from Star Trek or something like that. No, they were collecting so much data about us that they couldn't do anything with it. They needed something that could compile that data and use it. So they want to learn about each of us, our buttons, our hot buttons, and what makes us tick? What do we like? What are we not like? All of that stuff. They want to know it to a very high agree. And they do. This AI, what they're developing, understands us to a scary level. I mean, once you start looking into this, you realize, well, you know, humans are very predictable. We're creatures of habit. These AI can actually make predictions about us and understand us in a really scary level. And it's only going to get more powerful as time goes on. And what about you, Eric? Where do you see? I mean, obviously, Glenn and I have less future to worry about than you do. And, yeah, AI could be something used for a great deal of good or it could be very, very evil, which of course is what they want to do with it. If you, and I'd mean specifically you, now, I want you to talk to your generation, I want to talk talk about you. If you could control AI, what would you do with it? That's a hard question to say. Well, for my personal life, yeah, I'd maybe use it for workflow stuff. I don't know. It's hard for me to say because I also would like to limit my technology. I think one of the problems with technology as a whole is it's taken us away from community and it's taken us out of the real world. So in a way, I wish we could go back. But with AI, in the future, what I would like for myself is, like Glenn said, if I had a local AI that was looking out for me and maybe it could detect, okay, this photo has been created by AI. Maybe it's smart enough to know that. This is altered. And it's actually really fact -checking and not like the fact -checking that's going on nowadays, and then I could do research on the facts that it checks for me. That way I can see that if it's correct or not, too. So I don't know if that's a good answer, but I think that's what I'd like for it. Right. Gentlemen, with the few minutes we have left, I want to talk about some of the surveillance threats that people don't sign up for. One thing that really bothers me, and this has been around for about a year now, it's technology where they can use just a, uh, look at it is, there is, there are steps that we can take on a general level. If you are targeted, I mean, if you're, if, if, let's say the CIA actually targets you, they've, they have such sophistication that, you know, I don't know if there's a way to get away from that. They're very, very sophisticated in what they do. But if you are an average person, and then they you know VPNs go through that too where okay when you're on a you're on a VPN you go to a website okay this website blocks you okay well then this VPN company comes up with a solution to get around that way that they're blocking you so and there's always this back and forth there's cat and mouse game between technology the good technology and the bad technology And so we just have to be aware of that. And so, you know, that's the way I look at it is just, just we want to, we don't want to make waves. We don't want a revolution necessarily. We just want to live our lives and let, you know, get out of our lives. Just let us live our lives. And, you know, stop spying on us. Stop doing stuff without our consent. just, and we realize that it's up to us to protect us ourselves. It's not going to, they're not going to just give our privacy back, just like they're not going to give our freedom back. We have to take it back. And so it, it does involve a lot of self -responsibility. And, and it is up to us to do it. And it's up to us to be aware and take the steps and learn what we need to learn. So that's the way I look at. Eric is a representative of what is undoubtedly the most surveilled generation of all time. What are your thoughts on that? I agree with Glenn. I think if you want to become truly invisible, that would be pretty hard. I mean, that would become a full -time job with what you're saying with the Wi -Fi. Maybe you could do it if you applied like a fair day cage around your entire house. Maybe that would work. I don't know. There's all, like Glenn said, it's a cat and mouse and you'd really have to, if you're being hunted by the CIA or something, some extreme scenario, you'd really have to think outside of the box. But as an average person, you can take just some very small steps, maybe 15 minutes a week, and then you could become private, much more private than the average person. So you could become very private very easily. So I believe that's, that's how it is, yeah. Now, we do have a webinar coming up that two folks are generously providing to all of my viewers, and the sign -up link for that, folks will be directly beneath this interview. Gentleman is a final closing question, and Eric, I want to start with you. Okay. This is a two -part question. In reference to everything that we have discussed today, surveillance, control, AI, all of that, what is, A, your greatest concern for the future, and be your greatest hope for the future. happens to get there, that my generation will wake up and understand that they're trading their convenience for freedom. It's at the cost of their freedom. And soon they'll realize that they can, they need to stand up for their rights because they're not going to, they're not guaranteed by themselves. You have to be self, reliant yourself and stand up for your rights yourself. So I think overall, I'm hopeful for the future and I think people will become aware in my generation. Right? Yeah, so the thing I'm worried about is, is government tyranny. And I think that starts, I mean, obviously surveillance is a big key component to that. But I think really the line in the sand that I think we have to draw is freedom of speech. We must, must, must protect freedom of speech. And as long as we can protect freedom of speech and. have freedom of speech, then, you know, I think it's a pretty negative thing. I mean, I see negative things for the results. So, but that being said, I do think there is enough people waking up to this that we are going to stop this tyranny happening. I do, and I think, Eric's right, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better, but I think it is going to be better. I think it is going to get better. I agree completely. I've been saying this to my own viewers for years now. It's going to get worse before it gets better. But in the end, the tyrants are going to lose. Yeah. Gentlemen, thank you for your efforts. Thank you for your time today. Thank you very much.