Will Dove  00:00 Very recently, the WHO, at the 77^th World Health Assembly in Geneva, rammed through the International Health Treaty and the hundreds of Amendments to it in a last-minute session late on the last day of the conference.   Will Dove  00:14 In recent months, H5N1 has come to dominate mainstream news, with almost daily stories on chicken flocks being culled, the virus now being found in cows and some wild animals, and of course a media circus every time a human is found to be infected. This despite the fact that in the past year there have been only 3 human cases of H5N1 in the U.S., all of them with minor symptoms, and in Canada, according to the NCCIA, the National Collaborating Center for Infectious Diseases, our very own version of the CDC, the last human case of H5N1 was in 2014. In a person who had just returned from China.   Will Dove  01:00 Despite this the fearmongering machine is hard at work while we know that Gain of Function research is ongoing to make the virus transmissible between humans, which thus far it is not. The only way to get infected is to come in contact with an infected bird.   Will Dove  01:18 Then there’s the culling of supposedly infected chicken flocks, and soon, almost certainly, cattle herds. The rapid development of vaccines for human H5N1. Vaccines for a disease that presently, humans cannot pass between themselves. What does all of this add up to?   Will Dove  01:37 Dr. Peter McCullough recently co-authored a paper on the origins of avian flu and how it is spread by waterfowl, primarily ducks. In this paper, the authors reveal some very suspicious facts surrounding how the disease has progressed and changed in recent years.   Will Dove  01:55 Dr. McCullough also gives us his thoughts on why the globalists are spending so much money on developing a human version of a virus, which, by all educated accounts, will likely be harmless to most of us.   Will Dove  02:10 Will H5N1, if it is Disease X, be the pandemic that breaks the narrative, when the WHO declares a global health emergency; a pandemic where almost no one gets sick.   Will Dove  02:32 Peter it’s a pleasure to have you back on the show.   Dr. Peter McCullough  02:35 Great to be back on the show. The new thing I noticed was the Canadian flag. But this time it's in chains.   Will Dove  02:41 It's always been like that. It's just a little detail but a lot of people don't seem to pick up on it. But yes, it's in chains. And it's in rusty chains, which represents the corruption eventually, those chains are going to break. And we're going to have a democratic free country again. And that's the day those chains will come off.   Will Dove  02:59 But Peter, I wanted to invite you to this interview after you put up yet another article on your Substack in regards to Disease X, which at this point in time you're convinced is H5N1. You also published a very extensive scientific paper, a preprint, in the last couple of days, I read your article on that this morning. And there's been a lot of conjecture. It's getting clearer and clearer even to me that yeah, it's probably H5N1 but there were other theories, one that I read was going to be a bacterium that of course they tried it with monkey pox but this really does seem to be Disease X. Please tell me based upon the research that you and these others have done. What it is that convinces you about it?   Dr. Peter McCullough  03:43 We're talking about highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1 so called bird flu. And well, I think the agencies that have made the call are correct, you know GAVI, the global vaccine alliance, in 2021 said Disease X will be bird flu. Sappi, formed by the Gates Foundation of World Economic Forum, they got over 100-page white paper on this on Disease X and they prominently feature bird flu, and now Sappi has a self-replicating messenger RNA vaccine with the Koreans, and they're calling it Disease X bird flu vaccine.   Dr. Peter McCullough  04:25 So yeah, I think it is Disease X, historically avian influenza, with the prior strains when it did get into humans, somewhere between 800, 900 cases over decades, the mortality rate was 53.7%. But it has been subjected to Gain of Function research now over probably 15 years, and that's what made us think, wait a minute, could bird flu have significantly changed?   Will Dove  04:54 I think something we have to make very clear to the viewers is that until this Gain of Function is supposedly gets completed. H5N1 is not transmissible between humans, the only way to get it is to come into contact with an infected bird. And once that person has it, they can't pass it to someone else. So obviously that's what they're trying to do to make it something can be passed to someone else. But before we get into that, I want to talk about the four points where you and the other researchers looked at the odd things that are suddenly developing now with this H5N1, increased transmissibility persistence, virulence and most range such as things that we've never seen before.   Dr. Peter McCullough  05:36 Yep, right. So, we've never seen it travel like this. We heard about bird flu in Cambodia or in China kind of isolated. This is what we've learned, that the H stands for hemagglutinins which is the spike protein of influenza. The N stands for neuraminidase, that's actually another pathogenic factor. The vaccines are every year always adjusted to the H and the N. So according to what's the antigenic drift.   Dr. Peter McCullough  06:08 Bird flu is H5, so it's very far away from H1. It’s H5, and then it's NX. NX means it could be three or seven or a different neuraminidase. And it's been subjected to grape experimentation in laboratories. The two leading laboratories are in Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam. And the lead is Dr. Ron Forshay.   Dr. Peter McCullough  06:37 And the other is the University Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine. And as Dr. Kawaoka, who's the lead there. They both openly publish their Gain of Function research studies; to try to - their dream is to get bird flu to jump from human being to human being. And that's what they're working on, Gain of Function, either by manipulating the hemagglutinin, by manipulating the H, genetically, or by what's called Serial passage.   Dr. Peter McCullough  07:09 Serial passage is when you have an entire array of strains, and keep subjecting it to a model, to a model, to a model until one of them jumps into the next species like, you know, from a chicken into a mallard duck, for instance, or mallard duck into a ferret, and trying to keep getting it to jump. And then once that strain that jumped, grab that strain, and then say okay, let's cultivate that strain, it’s called Serial passage. So serial passengers can be transmissibility intraspecies, they can be trying to get a strain that's just simply more infectious among a specific species, or get one that's more lethal or pathogenic. And what we found out was that the USDA Poultry Research Center, our National Center is in Athens, Georgia, that's where it is.   Dr. Peter McCullough  08:02 It's kind of like the Wuhan Institute of Virology, except in this case it’s poultry viral research in Athens, Georgia. They were doing serial passage research with avian influenza, and it's H5N1, and there's a specific clade which has the same code, it’s clade 2.3.4:4.6, specifically B1:1 and B1:2 mutations. And they were able to get it to jump into mallard ducks using serial pastures. That's in April of 2021. And then by the end of 2021, there started to be cases in waterfowl. And then in mammals, within a couple 100 miles of the Athens, Georgia, Research Center. Now what's spreading across the United States and in our paper, we actually have a map, what spreading from farm to farm looks like a product of Gain of Function research out of this lab.   Will Dove  09:05 Right. And speaking about that, that transmissibility, in your introduction, your paper, you mentioned that the normal spread of an avian virus in birds are going to get around the world takes about 9 years. But what you found with this one is it had moved from the Netherlands to the United States in 1 year.   Dr. Peter McCullough  09:29 You know, how can that be? Could a bird, typically, the birds don't fly from Europe over to the United States? Could it be that there was a transmission or a sharing of samples between the M-Lab and the Athens Georgia lab. Commonly, Wisconsin, Athens, Georgia and Rotterdam, they collaborate. They’re authors on each other's papers. Could they have actually shared samples?   Will Dove  09:58 And that's a good question because I think we have to clarify for the viewers. If you look at a map of the migratory range of mallard ducks, and it's huge, it's all the way through North America almost down to Central America. But that doesn't mean that ducks are flying from Europe to say California. No, they'll migrate aways, they'll transmit the virus to wherever they landed to other birds, they'll migrate away. This is why nine years, typically, but as you say, this is extremely suspicious to have it show up in one year. Because a duck did not fly from, say Germany to South Carolina, they don't do that.   Will Dove  10:36 So yes, we have to ask that question of why is it suddenly showing up? Now, we have other evidence as well. We know that they've been doing Gain of Function research with H5N1 in Wuhan since at least 2021. That's been really published. We've got BORIS CDC director Robert Redfield, saying he could change it in months to make it transmissible between humans, he just has to change five proteins. So, this leads to another question, if he's saying that, and I'm assuming he's got the qualifications to know what he's talking about. If they've been trying to do this for years, and he says it's going to be done in a few months. Why hasn't it happened yet? Is he demonstrating some hubris here in saying that, or maybe it's already been done and they haven't released it? What do you think?   Dr. Peter McCullough  11:27 I think it has largely been done. For these labs that I mentioned, when they do this research, what they're not doing is they're not registering the genetic code of the new organism they created. They're supposed to do this, Will. There's ClinVar and these other federal databases, when you create a new genetic code, a new organism is supposed to be registered. And Ralph Baric, in 2021, with the SARS-CoV-2 code almost certainly his chimeric virus that they published in 2015, and Nature Medicine 2016 proceeds in Nature Chemistry sciences that was Gain of Function, it says right there in the paper. Anthony Fauci’s group in NIAID, Marshall, Peter Daszak, EcoHealth Alliance, Dr. Lee in China, they're all on the papers together. It's all out in the open. They say it's Gain of Function research.   Dr. Peter McCullough  12:21 When Barack was questioned about this in 2021, he goes, no, we're not releasing the code for this. We've discussed it with Fauci’s group and we're not going to release the code. It turns out Kawaoka in Wisconsin is not releasing the code of his Gain of Function creations, and neither is Fauci. I think it's possible it already exists. Redfield was just kind of revealing this to us that, listen, there's a five amino acid change, we could get this to jump from human to human. So, you know, all these players are circulating. And what we're talking about is things are published in peer reviewed or in sworn testimony. So, Redfield was actually giving sworn testimony on Capitol Hill.   Will Dove  13:01 Right. So now that at least the really important question, either they've got it or they don't. Either way, they're going to, that they’re working very hard to make this transmissible between humans, to make it an aerosol transmission so that you can just breath it in just as we did with COVID. But that requires genetic changes. So, we were talking earlier about the fact that yes, there's been some 800 people over the last decades that have been infected because it's very, very hard to get, but something like 52% case fatality rate when they do. However, the changes that they have to make it aerosol base, to make it transmissible between humans. What would your concerns be about how virulent it would then be? Is that likely to reduce the virulence?   Dr. Peter McCullough  13:45 Actually, it could be at a lower virulence right now. Let's take the 800 cases so far, and the deaths, almost all of them Southeast Asia, Cambodia, Laos, Southeast China. In 2005, there's no natural medicine publication, they published a few of these deaths. These are very undernourished people who presented very late, no health care, looks like they died of secondary pneumonias to be honest. In some of these cultures, Will, they actually sleep with their chickens. So, they may have actually had a tremendous exposure. We haven't had deaths like that in Canada, United States, you know, we have a different animal handling business.   Dr. Peter McCullough  14:29 You know, I've been advising now, wellness company, others out there that we can use virucidal nasal sprays and dilute iodine wellness company, we've expanded our contagion kids. We know that Oseltamivir and three other antivirals will have an effect hydroxychloroquine will have the treatment effect. So, I don't expect any human losses. But what we're seeing in the literature and it’s in our paper, too, is that when authors report the bird mortality rate, they say listen, they either died of the virus or they died of culling, which is voluntary mass incineration of even healthy chickens, and they count that as a mortality rate. You know, I'm starting to question now, because the three human cases we have, where there's been some reporting going on. There's a fourth one that the CDC is not reporting on right now. They all had actually a form of pinkeye. The third guy in Michigan had a little bit of a dry cough, no fever.   Dr. Peter McCullough  15:30 So, wait a minute, that's three cases now, where it looks very mild. The question I would have as a doctor is why did they even test for bird flu? The bird flu PCR test is offered by ThermoFisher who's called vetMAX. It's only offered through government agents right now. You can't even get a test if you wanted to. Who ordered the ThermoFisher test for that guy out in Amarillo? He made the front page in doing a journal medicine with pinkeye. But my read right now I know it's early, Will, but you know, I don't see mallard ducks, dead in ponds all over United States and Canada. I don't see birds falling out of the sky. I have a feeling that it is more transmissible interspecies, but that it's milder. And it's the government response of mass PCR in culling that's going to raise, falsely raise this case count, and destroy perfectly good food sources.   Will Dove  16:29 All right. So, I spoke with Dr. Malone last week, and asked him the same question. He's of the same opinion you are, that once they're done monkeying with this thing, it's likely to be a very low virulence, probably no more than just another flu. Based upon what we've been seeing with these three cases in the US, maybe not even that. So that leads to two questions, really. And I think I have to do them as separate questions, because otherwise we're getting into apples and oranges. We are killing an awful lot of birds, and now they're jumping into cattle herds, I start calling them cattle herds. To what degree do you think that this is nothing more than an attack on our food supply?   Dr. Peter McCullough  17:10 Whether it's intentional, or it's a byproduct is clearly going to constrain the food supply. What I want to see is are there any courageous farmers that have a lot of common sense to say, you know what, the animals don't look ill or one or two of them does, let's just not call them and just watch them recover. Remember what ends this is natural immunity. It's in waterfowl right now, we can't track down every Canadian goose, it's impossible. And the vaccines don't work, anyway, the Chinese have been doing this for decades. And it's clear the vaccines are not sterilized. And so, the animal vaccines are useless.   Dr. Peter McCullough  17:51 Natural immunity is going to win. The mallard ducks probably already have substantial natural immunity, and we just have to let the poultry flocks get it. Now, a standard chicken, by the way from egg to slaughter is only about 90 days. So, there's always a fresh batch. But there's no sense of culling chickens at 60 or 90 days. Now, Sid Miller, our Ag Director in Texas ordered a cull game, which is the nation's largest egg producer to cull 2 million chickens. 2 million. There was a recent cull in Des Moines or in Iowa for 4 million. And so, you can see what's happening, the government's paying the farmers so they’re like, listen, there's no financial loss here. I'll just do this. And they're not allowing any natural immunity. All we need is a few fluxes to be naturally immune. And this thing's going to fizzle out.   Will Dove  18:47 Yeah, and here in Canada and the province of British Columbia has now been 6 million. Although interestingly enough, I spoke with a person who has done some pretty deep research into what's going on there. That's only 4% of the total flock. So, if it's an attack on our food supply, it’s not a very effective one. Unless this is just more fearmongering to gear up to the point where, okay, now they're going to wipe out 50% of them. I don't know, but…   Dr. Peter McCullough  19:17 Or they're told like what's happening in Europe, well, they're told that, listen, we've got to shut down your chicken farming operations here. Bird flu is just too dangerous. We have to shut it down. And just like in the European Union, they're told that the cows are producing too much nitrogen, we've got to shut down your farm. So, I mean, that could be another strategy. You're right. So, culling is messy. By the way, the 2022 human case in Colorado, the guy who got it was the guy who was told to go cull the chickens either gas them or incinerate them. You can imagine all the fluttering around. That's how he got bird flu. So, culling itself probably could spread it more.   Dr. Peter McCullough  20:00 So, I just finished talking to Steven Hotze down in Houston. He's good friends with Sid Miller. He said, listen, I'm going to call Sid right away. You know if we can get cooler heads to prevail, we could get a handle on this and not let this spiral out of control because already some people have done PCR testing in raw milk and in the grocery store and people are, you know, all this fear is arising. We've already had Robert Califf, who's head of the FDA and the Chairman at FDA, Peter Marks on Capitol Hill saying quote, they're getting ready for bird flu with, guess what? Vaccines! Human vaccines. So, CSL with our military BARDA, the research, the military already has an antigen-based vaccine, approved in 2021, unknow human data because there's not enough human cases. It's just - it's a theoretical shot. And CSL has a self-replicating messenger RNA vaccine, Sappi and the Koreans have a self-replicating messenger RNA vaccine. To me this looks like yet another trojan horse to bring in more messenger RNA into human use.   Will Dove  21:16 Yes, and I would agree with you. And I think this adds more weight to what we're discussing earlier. But whether or not they've already succeeded in making it transmissible among humans, why would they have a vaccine for something that can't be transmitted among humans? That doesn't make any sense. But before I get to the second question, I was going to ask in response to your earlier comments, I think we should clarify something. Or rather talk a little more about something, I think we skipped over very briefly. And you did make reference to these vaccine programs in the birds that had been doing it for decades in China, as you said, it’s not working. It's non sterilizing. And this gets to what Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has talked about, where if you do this mass vaccination campaign with a non-sterilizing vaccine, all you're going to do is drive mutations. So, we've talked about Gain of Function, but what's the possibility that the vaccines are causing some of these mutations?   Dr. Peter McCullough  22:06 In the Chinese experience, and it's done in China, it's done in a lot of Southeast Asia, it has done in Mexico now, it has been miserable. So, they try to vaccinate the chickens. The chickens only live for 90 days anyway, it's very labor intense. All the studies show that the virus is not eradicated, the chickens can spread it around, you'd almost rather have a chicken get bird flu and die and just have the infection extinguish, instead, they carry it around. It amplifies the French last summer started vaccinating ducks, the Ducks they use for food, not the wild ducks. And it was such a mess. The US decided to ban all ducks coming from France who are vaccinated because they're afraid that actually the meat would be carrying in bird flu.   Dr. Peter McCullough  22:59 Well, what I understand is that in the United States and Canada, we have refrained from vaccinating chicken. That may have changed or is going to change shortly. Everything I know about is that it’s going to be a giant mistake, it’s going to make the problem worse, it will drive mutations, additional mutations, which are unpredictable, just like with COVID vaccination, it's prolong the pandemic, it's made the problem worse.   Will Dove  23:24 Yes. And that was once again, that was Dr. Vanden Bossche. His statements way back in 2021. He said if you do this, what's going to happen is that the vaccinated population will never achieve herd immunity. And that's exactly what we're seeing, they just keep making more variants and passing among themselves while those of us who have natural immunity, it just blows right past us. So now I want to get to that second question. And this is a big one. We've gone down this rabbit trail of Gain of Function, H5N1, Disease X, clear statements that is Disease X and yet, you and Dr. Malone are both of the opinion that once they're done monkeying with it to make it transmissible among humans, it's not going to be that virulence. It’s probably no worse than a flu. Which means the only purpose I can see in this is more fearmongering to shove more of these lethal mRNA vaccines into people.   Will Dove  24:21 But the question I wanted to get to you Peter is now we have a large percentage of the population who unlike four years ago, had no idea what was going on. I have now been very, very suspicious. A lot of vaccine regret, people who took them as I'll never take another one. If they don't have something actually dangerous, something lethal that's going to kill people, what's the purpose of this because how many people are going to buy it this time around? It seems to me like a fairly small number.   Dr. Peter McCullough  24:48 Yeah, some of the greatest skeptics and most common-sense people in America are in rural America, and rural  Canada on farms. These are salt of the earth people, they've seen bird flu in the past, I mean, you look back, what did we do before vaccines? I mean, animals got sick. Right now, cattle get a, what's called a Core pack which vaccinate some against parainfluenza and some bovine viral infections, they get a clostridial pack, because they do eat clostridial spores in the grass that can cause diarrhea - that can cause diarrhea, by the way, in your dogs and cats. And then they get a reproductive pack of vaccines to try to reduce birth defects.   Dr. Peter McCullough  25:37 But the bottom line is that poultry doesn’t get any as far as I know, they do get some antibiotic seeds, so they eat some antibiotic seeds to reduce some bacterial infections. But I really want to see some leadership from the agriculture veterinary community. You know, I'm a medical doctor, you're a media journalist, investigative reporter, but where are our heroes in the animal veterinary world right now? We've called a few of them. And what they say is that listen, all we can do is follow the USDA and cull the animals, just kill them all. And I said, really? Are there any other answers? And you know, we're not hearing any opinions out there.   Will Dove  26:21 And I think that silence is significant. If their goal is to destroy the food supply, and there's a huge amount of money behind this, we know this, they're paying people off, they're paying for silence, they’re paying for propaganda. I would suspect that possibly the reason we're not hearing from those people, is because they've been paid not to say anything, because that would be countered to that narrative that's going to allow them at some point in time to cull enough, that now they actually are affecting the food supply, making it difficult to get meat.   Will Dove  26:51 Now, I want to continue on though, because this is something that just keeps nagging at me. And I’ve discussed this with Dr. Malone, I’ve discussed it with Dr. Vanden Bossche, if their goal and the stated goal of many of the globalist is massive depopulation. Okay, they came up with COVID. And the studies have shown that there were almost no extra deaths from COVID. The extra deaths that did happen, usually happen as a result of government responses putting vulnerable populations together in the same places where they could spread diseases, where they were getting poor care from terrified people. Now they're doing this, Disease X now is going to be H5N1 as what we’ve discussed, probably by the time they do make it transmissible among humans, it's not that virulent. What would you say? Why are they doing this? If they want to depopulate the planet and they're releasing these viruses that they change their Gain of Function, and yet they're not that virulent. That's the part that makes no sense to me. Do you have any thoughts on that?   Dr. Peter McCullough  27:57 It's impossible to ascribe motives but if you read Klaus Schwab's the Fourth Industrial Revolution, where man changes, and great big COVID-19, the Great Reset, and a lot of the writings of these global elite is there is a theme. The theme is transhumanism, humans becoming part machine or part computer, part human beings. There is a theme towards we should need less humans, we should use less resources on the planet, 15-minutes cities, we should have unified currency, digital currency, bio surveillance is a big theme.   Dr. Peter McCullough  28:43 If these are the case, if this is the case, and if the world's human population is going to drop, a calamitous drop could be very disruptive, right? Because of labor markets and service, and all of this, and I think a calamitous drop would be quite visible, you know, a true holocaust of people in gas chambers, it just would be too visible. But if it was more subtle than that, and life expectancy dropped off, which we are seeing, by the way, life expectancy now is plummeting. And everybody's got a shorter duration. In this reduction, particularly of individuals that are no longer contributing to society, I'm not only talking about our seniors with health care problems. If that population diminishes more rapidly, which it is, then in many ways that globalist I guess could achieve that goal.   Will Dove  29:44 The other thing that we don't know, and I agree with you by the way, I talked about this. It doesn't make any sense to release a virus that say have a 30% case fatality rate, because you'll shut down the infrastructure. And they don't want shut down, they need that if they're going to have the control that they want. But another factor in terms of this, perhaps long duration population decline is the fertility rate. We don't know, at this point in time, how many people have been sterilized by these vaccines. I know, an 18-year-old girl who had two doses when she was 15. She hasn't had a period in a year now, 18, otherwise perfectly healthy, seemingly, but apparently sterile. And of course, it'll be 20 years before we'll have any data on how many people have been sterilized by it. So that's another factor. So, I think you're absolutely right that they don't want a long decline. But it still brings us back to this problem of if this H5N1, once it becomes transmissible, once it's now Disease X. It's no more virulent than COVID. At what point in time does their fearmongering stop working?   Dr. Peter McCullough  31:01 Yeah, the wild card for the biopharmaceutical complex, Will, is actually community infection. They can't readily assess that in the lab. And so, they tried to use humanized respiratory epithelial tracks of animals as they did in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. You know, the grand experiment is when it gets out into the wild, and we start to see the very first human cases. In diseases like Marburg virus or Ebola virus, it's just too lethal. It's too lethal. It's just can't spread across the world. There's going to be lethal outbreaks. If you get various illnesses that are so mild, it's in perceptible that - let's take German measles (Rubella), in boys, for instance, you can't tell if a boy has German measles or not. It's such a mild infection.   Dr. Peter McCullough  31:58 So, the interesting thing was SARS-CoV-2 is it hit it just right. It was enough to make us know that we were sick. And it was severe enough in a vulnerable senior population to make us all fearful. And so, they hit it just right. If one was planning some type of global operation and you know, there were many planning events. In Peter Bergen’s book, there were 36 pandemic preparedness planning events, 25 were written up, six were filmed, including the SPARS Pandemic at Johns Hopkins in 2017 says there's going to be a Coronavirus, it meets all the specifications.   Dr. Peter McCullough  32:40 Peter Daszak was writing in 2018 that Coronavirus will be Disease X, that's it, it will spread across the world. And then of course, Event 201, which the Chinese, US, put on at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, George Gao, the Chinese CDC Director comes over, Avril Haines, who's now our Director of National Security, National Intelligence, she's there. In fact, they're in a workgroup together and they say it is a COVID Coronavirus pandemic and this is how we're going to respond. So don't forget these take a lot of planning, a lot of coordination, and they may not hit it right. Bird Flu is something where it's pretty obvious so far. It's not going to have the same punch power as COVID.   Dr. Peter McCullough  33:30 And on Capitol Hill last week, Peter Marks was talking about vaccinating 100,000 farmworkers in the United States. Now, the US has already pre-purchased the CSL vaccine for all Americans. That's the antigen-based vaccine, again, the pre-purchase agreements, and the government money spent, that's what's fueling this biotech sector. They don't have to market the products. They don't have to see if they're going to win or lose. They're getting government contracts in huge numbers.   Will Dove  34:04 And as you made reference to in your article, the withdrawal of the AstraZeneca vaccine, and the ridiculous claim that we're withdrawing it, because there's no demand. But as you just pointed out, the demand isn't driven by the public, it's driven by governments who have already purchased it. The reason I read through it is because they had to admit in a German court that it was causing these blood clots occasionally lethal ones, of course, they tried to downplay it. But obviously, they saw the writing on the wall, and for liability reasons, withdrew it. So that leads to another question of, and I know you see, I mean, a lot of people don't understand, you're still a practicing physician, you have patients all the time. So, I know you're seeing these vaccine injuries walking into your office.   Will Dove  34:47 And the Dr. Makis here in Canada has been tracking them and despite the fact that vaccine uptake has gone way down, we're still seeing the adverse reactions coming up the desk, coming up. And so that it kind of leads me to this question of, from what you're seeing, and we've had, you know, for example, an extreme case of this as Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche’s prediction that the virus is going to mutate to a point where all of the vaccinated people are going to be extremely susceptible to highly lethal variant but not so much concerned about that. Now that we've got officially some 5 billion people worldwide injected, and you're seeing these injuries walking into your office, is it possible that they've already - and we were talking earlier, and I know I'm kind of skipping around here, but I'm trying to frame this question properly. You were talking earlier about this long decline in population, not a catastrophic event, not somebody's going to kill 30% of the population in a few months, but a long decline. So, knowing that we're seeing these adverse reactions increasing. Do you think that really, their only goal is just to get more and more people injected? And then just wait and let the vaccines do their work?   Dr. Peter McCullough  36:01 Yeah, again, it's impossible to ascribe motive, we can say, listen, no country has pulled these off the market. No country has. This is very interesting. There's been the voluntary withdrawal of AstraZeneca and Johnson, though country has actually performed an inspection of what's in the vials and produced a report actually physically opened the vials, the US FDA inspections has been a visible inspection for precipitants in the bottom.   Dr. Peter McCullough  36:32 And in the United States, and I believe Canada's the same, you know, their meeting on deciding the next booster that would be - for people our age, that would be our 10th shot, 10^th! Immunocompromised be coming up on their 13th shot. Now, that's 10 doses of something that no one can tell us what's in the vials. And what we're seeing in clinical practice is horrifying. I mean, most people I know, Will, they took the primary series in 2021. And they haven't taken any more. But we are still seeing new side effects emerging three years later.   Will Dove  37:09 And they're developing new mRNA, “vaccines” for everything under the sun now, even for cancer, which of course we know the vaccines are causing, if they succeed, and I talked about earlier, about try to fool people a second time. And yet the statistics say, at least here in Canada, over 50% of people are still buying the narrative. So sure, some 45% of us are saying, no, we're not going to take any more of these. We don't believe you. But that still leaves over half the population, if you scare them with another virus may line up and take yet more of these mRNA shots. Do you think it's even possible though, that they could achieve their goal of making these sorts of mRNA vaccines the standard because they seem to be trying to create these for everything. And yet, they're immensely harmful. It amazes me that you've got people out there who have survived to get a 10th shot.   Dr. Peter McCullough  38:04 Well, do you know anybody who's taken nine shots?   Will Dove  38:07 No. But then the circles that I that I go in, I know very few people who've been taken two.   Dr. Peter McCullough  38:14 What's the highest number of someone you know who have taken the shots?   Will Dove  38:18 I believe I know of someone, so, this is secondhand information, who has had five? And I guess, is sick.   Dr. Peter McCullough  38:27 I've had some five shot recipients in my practice and, you know, extensive heart damage, blood clots in both legs. Yeah, I'm not sure the human body can take five shots. But I was so interested in this last fall, I did a twitter poll. And at that time, I think we're at seven shots. And I said, does anybody out there know anybody who took seven shots? And you know what the answer was, in terms of percentage? There was 15% of people said, yeah, I know somebody who took seven shots. And I said, well, who are these people? And you know what they said? Canadian health care workers. Yes.   Will Dove  39:04 Yes. And that's makes sense. Because it's mandated for a lot of them. In British Columbia, and I did an interview on this with a surgeon there very recently, they still have a mandate in place, the health care workers must at the very least have had two shots. The original strain is long gone.   Dr. Peter McCullough  39:24 And the shots only last for months. So, it's not like a tattoo or something. Why would historically two shots three years ago mean anything now? You can tell that this must not be about COVID. It must not be about theoretical immunity. What is it about that you must have some shots in you from years past?   Will Dove  39:48 Well, I think we can answer that with my next question. Because something very significant happened this past weekend at the World Health Assembly 77th meeting in Geneva, where it was looking like up until the last minute, the amendments, the treaty wasn't going to get passed, because the countries could not agree on the text. And then Saturday night, in the last few minutes, they rammed it through with a few minor variations, a few changes in wording. And the terrifying thing about it, and I discussed this with James Roguski, I'm sure you know James, they've done it in such a way where they've said, well, everybody has to agree to it for now, and we'll work out the details later. Which is writing these people a blank check, to say, well, we can put anything we want into it now.   Will Dove  40:35 Now, here's where I'm leading with this, what a lot of people don't know is now that it's been ratified, there's still a 10-month grace period, during which time, countries that signed on can now opt out. So, they can't actually do anything with it for another 10 months, which puts us into early next year. Now earlier, we were talking about pandemic exercises and the one we didn't mention was the 2022 Catastrophic Contagion that was run by Bill Gates that predicted, the next pandemic would be in 2025. Why did they push through those amendments despite all the resistance to it, despite the fact that they're violating their own rules? My all-in conclusion, they need that timing for early next year, so that they can declare a worldwide pandemic, probably avian flu, and get more vaccines shoved into people. What do you think?   Dr. Peter McCullough  41:28 It's very possible, yeah, I think the whole timing of the messaging and the WHO, WEF, CDC, the Canadian authorities, they all had massive messaging in March and April and May about bird flu. I think that was timed for the May deliberations on the pandemic treaty Alliance and International Health Regulations by the WHO and they met tremendous resistance. There was a lot of freedom fighters in Geneva giving presentations, the jeopardy showed up big, a lot of the underdeveloped countries told the WHO, we’re not going to participate.   Dr. Peter McCullough  42:05 So, they backed off on the treaty Alliance, the International Health Regulations they say at the last minute they got through, haven't seen those yet. But you're right. I think what they're trying to do is just get this in a sense, a consensus approval, and then work on details later. The WHO is a monster, Will, it's got, 8000 employees, a budget they're trying to meet is $7 billion, 194 member nations, it's a behemoth. They want money and they want power. These agreements and documents will help them get it but they have many other mechanisms. They have a whole another program called One Health. Tomorrow, they could say, you know, we're scrapping our current sets of documents, we're going to go with One Health. They want control over all plants, animals and humans.   Will Dove  42:54 They do. Now, as a last question, Peter, because you are the Executive Director of The Wellness Company, and we've done this in previous interviews, but I don't think it can be repeated often enough. Hopefully, what people are going to take away from this is two things. One, when they do manage the Gain of Function, the avian flu, H5N1, to the point where it will pass between people, it's probably not going to be terribly dangerous. However, there's always the elderly, there's always the immunocompromised, there's the vaccinated who may be immunocompromised, but the wellness company has prophylactic treatments, things that you can take that greatly increase your chances of survival. Please tell us about those.   Dr. Peter McCullough  43:30 Everybody should get The Wellness Company membership, twc.health.com. There are contagion kits that the black ones they've been extended to contain Oseltamivir, which has Tamiflu, which has activity against avian influenza. And Hydroxychloroquine, by the way, we think is going to also have the benefit. Hydroxy is also an anti-inflammatory. Importantly, people can make their homemade iodine nasal sprays and gargles. Iodine kills avian influenza. So just a couple of drops of iodine in some saline solution as a nasal spray, couple drops iodine in scope Listerine, all the Canadian farmworkers and rural people carrying chickens, I would be doing this about twice a day if I was in rural America. Just keep the stuff out of your eyes, out of your mouth, and throat. I think that's going to be reasonable.   Dr. Peter McCullough  44:20 So, go to twc.health, go ahead and get information on avian influenza. They sent out a newsletter today, a really good one and then get a contagion kit. And the Canadians may have to work with their friends on the US border to get them shipped. But very importantly, twc.health is your go to place. Well, what we're doing, Will, is we're trying to get ahead of this, both in the research and in our protection of the public. When we did that with monkey pox. You know what they had bought monkey pox vaccines for the whole country. It died because it was a in a sense a tactical battle fought in the media. Thank goodness I've been privileged to be on so many national shows to really settle down America. I want to have some intelligent conversations with large animal veterinarians. I've talked to a few, John Leake and I in McCullough Foundation, we're going to go out in some farms. Take a look at ourselves. We're going to see things for our eyes. One of the things we're not seeing anymore is embedded reporting. Let's go out there ourselves and see what's going on.   Will Dove  45:24 Yes, and that's very good. And I think that what you've just said is perhaps more important for people to realize. Because you just mentioned the monkey pox that fizzled, but a lot of it had to do with people like yourself, telling people about treatments they could take that would prevent the disease from really developing. So, what happens if they've put all this time and money into the avian flu to make it transmissible among humans, and then hardly anyone gets sick? What's the point of taking their plans?   Dr. Peter McCullough  45:53 It is and it's going to be a giant waste of money. We saw a massive trillions of dollars wasted on COVID. Remember, nobody needed to wear hazmat suits, Will, that was a total waste, because we all got COVID. That should tell you the hazmat suit wasn't needed. It was massive use of unnecessary testing. All the testing of people who didn't have any symptoms was a complete waste of time. We're talking trillions of dollars wasted in COVID-19. We're going to see the same thing. We've already seen massive purchases of monkey pox vaccines that were not used, huge purchases now of bird flu vaccines are going to come in again, not going to be used. At what point in time, are governments held accountable for literally just wasting money into this biopharmaceutical complex?   Will Dove  46:43 And not to mention shoving into people vaccines that they never tested. And I can tell you for certainty, Health Canada didn't. They've admitted to it. They never tested the mRNA vaccines themselves.   Will Dove  46:56 So, Peter, thank you once again, for your generous donation of your time today and for this study. I genuinely hope this study, as you said, it's already getting tons of downloads. Hope it goes viral. Your research is as always exemplary. Thank you, sir.   Dr. Peter McCullough  47:13 Thanks for having me.