(0:00 - 3:54) In part one of this two-part interview series with Dr. Robert Malone, who is widely known as the inventor of mRNA technologies, I asked him to briefly summarize his experience working with the U.S. government, because that interview was originally intended to be an exposé of psychological warfare techniques. And I wanted Robert to establish his credentials as someone who is very well qualified to speak on the Psy-War to which people around the world are currently being subjected to, and in few countries more so than here in Canada. Robert's brief summary of his experience ran to 10 minutes, not because he was not concise, but simply because his experience working with government agencies over the past several decades is so extensive.   The author of Lies My Gov't Told Me and PsyWar: Enforcing the New World Order Robert has attempted in those books to educate us all on the psychological warfare techniques that are being used against us, so that we can recognize and resist them. In this part two of two, Robert and I continue our discussion, delving into the broad strokes of those techniques, but perhaps most importantly for us all who are struggling to understand why our own government has turned against us. An explanation of the forces at work and their agenda.   An agenda which has led me, as an independent journalist, to arrive at the conclusion that every major narrative coming from our federal government and many provincial governments is a lie, supported by psychological warfare techniques, the purpose of which is to plant a false reality within the minds of the people and thus secure our cooperation in willingly giving up our rights and freedoms in service of the globalist agenda. Robert, thank you so much for all of that, your patience, because of course, as I said at the beginning of the interview, we were here to discuss psychological warfare and then you got into giving us some very good information about mRNA technologies and what's going on in the governments and all the politics. And so we had to chase that down.   So now we can get back to what is the original intent of this interview. You are, of course, the author of PsyWar, prior to that, Lies My Gov'[t Told Me, and folks, if you want to understand what's going on on the inside, read Robert's books. So before we can even talk about some of the principles in your book, PsyWar, I think we have to talk briefly about why it exists in the first place, psychological warfare on behalf of governments.   And I have my own take on that. It's very brief. I'd like to give it to you and invite your comments on it.   The reason is that if we look, say historically, at dictatorships in the past, where they've got jackboots on every corner with guns pointed at people's heads, comply or we'll shoot you. Modern democracies, and I'm not sure I would conclude candidate in that category, but they don't have that. They do not have sufficient jackboots to point guns at all of us and force us to comply.   And therefore they must engage in soft totalitarianism. They must get people to be complicit in giving up their rights and freedoms in order to go along with the government objectives. What do you think of that? So that's kind of downstream.   The origins, you know, you can read Sun Tzu and realize that a lot of what we consider to be psychological warfare was being deployed and was a key part of strategy and tactics in ancient China. The use of propaganda in a military context and for governance has been around as long as there's been humans. I'm sure they were using it in Troy.   (3:55 - 4:23) They certainly used it during the Roman empire. And so it's, in a way, it's nothing new. If we fast and, you know, the literature around a lot of these methods, like bad jacketing, this is the accusation of Joe or Robert or Will as controlled opposition.   (4:24 - 5:09) That was initially piloted particular and kind of weaponized by the FBI during the 60s against the Native American Indian protest movements. The term conspiracy theory was popularized and weaponized by the CIA in response to the Kennedy assassination. So a lot of these methods and strategies have been withstood the test of time for a variety of intelligence agency and agencies involved in promoting narratives and propaganda for governments.   (5:10 - 6:51) And of course, the Soviet Union was notorious for having one of the best psychological warfare units during its existence. And I've written about some of the things that have been disclosed by whistleblowers from that program and one in particular that's now based in New Zealand. So one way to think of this, and this is how I first really counter this field, is I was trying to make sense out of what I was observing and what was being deployed against me, which is basically the origin of the book.   I'm writing about it on Substack and trying to make sense out of what I was seeing. I dove into the military literature about psychological warfare. And in the United States, our main PsyWar unit goes back to, it's based in Fort Bragg, and it goes back to the Ghost Army of World War II.   It did things like deployed inflatable tanks, recordings in forests in Germany. In the UK's case, the infamous case of the dead man that was dressed as an aviator and had false orders put in his pocket, that was then floated on shore and successfully redirected the German response to where they anticipated the Allies were going to land in Europe, as I recall. And so this is long history.   (6:51 - 14:57) And just like the CIA traces back to the OSS during World War II, the Army PsyWar unit traces back to the Ghost Army. And then forward through a lot of different engagements, they claim that they played a key role in Tiananmen Square, in the Berlin Wall events, etc. They assert that they had been involved in managing and enabling a lot of the various regime change-related activities in concert with USAID and CIA.   And in this space, and I really recommend anybody that hasn't seen it to look up the Army PsyWar unit's recruitment video. I think it's called Ghost in the Machine on YouTube. It'll rock your world.   When I show it to audiences, they're left mouth agape. The US Army PsyWar unit has been manipulating global affairs for decades, very actively. In this literature, military literature, of describing psychological warfare, there's an academic military strategy discipline that is referred to as the Stages of Warfare.   And there's many other ways to think about military propaganda and military strategy, but this structure of the Stages of Warfare is one that is useful for many, in which you have basically generations of warfare, is the way to describe it. People misinterpret that as thinking that, well, if you've been through fourth-generation warfare, now you're going to do fifth-generation warfare. By the way, sixth-generation warfare, fifth-generation warfare is PsyWar.   Sixth-generation warfare is these directed munitions, so this is stealth missiles and guided ballistics. And seventh-generation warfare is basically robots and AI and drones. And we're now deep in the development and deployment and strategic advancement of seventh-generation warfare.   Fifth-gen was a response to fourth-gen, largely. And through the evolution of warfare, you have a tendency, an arc towards more and more decentralization of command. So first-generation is sticks and stones and we're in Neanderthal or whatever, up through swords and mounted combat.   All of that tended to be very centralized in terms of command structure. Then as you move through second into third-generation warfare, where you have basically mechanized war. So you could say World War I and the US Civil War were major embodiments of third-generation warfare, which still goes on.   They're still having armed engagements, et cetera, on the Ukrainian border while they're also deploying seventh-generation warfare. So it's a continuum. And then as you move from mechanized warfare towards the insurgencies that I assert United States has never won a fourth-generation battle or war.   I'm sure they've won some battles, but not a war. So Vietnam is a great example of a fourth-generation warfare engagement. And of course, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are examples.   And what's happened in, particularly, for instance, with the assassination of Osama bin Laden is the kind of forced evolution of a very decentralized command structure in fourth gen, in which you have basically command functions to convey general objectives, kill Americans, use improvised explosive devices, kill the infidel, but not direct operational control. You end up with a lot of cells. And that means that for a large organization like, say, NATO or the US Army, they're playing whack-a-mole because the things pop up here, they pop up there.   And they can't infiltrate the command structure and anticipate what's going to go on in the field because the command structure is not directly controlling what's going on in the field. A step towards this was Rommel with his authority to operate with very little direction from central command in Germany that resulted in his enormous success as a tactical commander of battle tank units. So you move to fourth.   And what happened in the fourth-generation space is that these insurgencies learned to exploit religion, culture, and a lot of other things to basically convince populations to support them and to resist the intruder, the infidel, the bad guy, the outsider. And so DoD, and particularly in cooperation with UK military, notoriously the 77th Brigade, which I talk about at length in the book, that then gave rise to the mutton crew that was a kind of civilian arm that was responsible for a lot of the crowd stocking and the social media activity. But in the 77th Brigade in the UK, the British military basically took people from the advertising industry in the UK, which is quite successful, and integrated them into a military structure in logic.   And then derived from that psychology of marketing and marketing technology, tools to persuade and counter the messaging that was going on in these insurgency spaces. So it was all built as a tool to fight offshore combat. In parallel, and the United States Army very much was part of that, a lot of cooperative activity back and forth.   Canadian military had some sockets, but wasn't as deeply involved in kind of pushing the tech, which was absolutely designed for offshore combat. Part of that technology space coming up through DARPA and the intelligence community in the United States was the development of internet-based tools, notoriously Twitter and Facebook. Twitter and Facebook were designed as weapons of war or psychological warfare.   (14:58 - 18:57) They become commercial through a derivative of that logic, which is surveillance capitalism, but that's downstream. And Twitter notoriously was successfully deployed for regime change during Arab Spring. Lots of documentation about that.   So with these technologies in a world in which you have, for instance, in the Middle East, you have a very young population that is very active in digital communications, cellular phones, et cetera. And a suite of tools were developed to actively manage and manipulate that. So what we experience on social media of things like shadow banning, small rooming, those are all very simplified derivative applications of what was done in a very coordinated fashion during Arab Spring.   Because you're using a cellular device, you can be readily triangulated geographically. You can use language processing capabilities to derive emotion out of whatever you're posting. You can be mapped in an influence map and you can figure out who the people are on the fringes that are driving that influence bubble.   And so you can selectively amplify those voices and decrease other voices. This is all built around controlling all information, thought, and feelings in anybody interacting in media. And so that was successfully used to direct crowds to depose leaders that the American government, in its wisdom, decided they wanted to see replaced.   So that's Arab Spring in a nutshell. And then the way the arc of the story goes is, or one version of the story, is that along comes UKIP and Nigel Farage and Brexit. And oh my god, suddenly this tech, it was designed for offshore combat and for regime change, gets deployed in a sense, in a limited sense, against the government itself.   And you have this major turnover and events that were not aligned with the kind of the approved world economic forum, UN, thrust vector for how Europe was supposed to develop. And in the United States, approved thrust vector. And then it's as if that wasn't bad enough, then you had Donald Trump, with his first election, successfully employing this same kind of strategic approach to shape information and influence social media that resulted in his surprise election that the likes of the New York Times were blindsided by.   And as far as I'm concerned, the New York Times is just an outlet for the intelligence community these days. So then they knew they had a real problem. And so that gives rise to these various structures like the Trusted News Initiative, GARM, et cetera, the tight integration between Google and Twitter with the United States government and Homeland Security in particular, that really came to flower in the Biden administration.   (19:00 - 19:21) The building of Trusted News Initiative, all this was predicated and justified based on the thesis of Russian interference, election interference, both in the UK and the US. That was the genesis of the Trusted News Initiative. We now know that was a false narrative that was constructed for and weaponized the Russian interference narrative.   (19:22 - 20:04) That's been well documented now under this current Trump administration. And then paradoxically, at about 2019, that infrastructure that was being built out under leadership of the BBC was in the censorship board in the UK, was then intentionally transformed to focus on anti-vaxxers. Why that pivot in 2019, one could speculate.   It depends on what rabbit hole you want to go down. But it was done. It's well documented and you can't debate it.   So they decided to pivot to target vaccine hesitancy. And then COVID happened. We'll just leave it that way.   (20:07 - 26:51) And or was happened or however you want to structure that. And suddenly the pivot to vaccine hesitancy was justified. And all of this tech, it became possible to justify the deployment of this tech that was developed for offshore combat on the citizens of Western nation states, particularly the Five Eyes Alliance states.   So that's UK, US, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. And with a few exceptions like Austria and other European Union, some of the European Union countries, it was the Five Eyes Alliance nations that were at the forefront of deploying this tech against their own citizens for their own good. The greatest good for the greatest number because COVID was a amazingly deadly pathogen.   We were going to have whatever it was, 3% mortality. All that was based on modeling coming out of UK, which was false. And then we had the miracle of RNA vaccines and 100% effectiveness or efficacy and we're off to the races.   And we have these nattering nabobs like Malone that we need to suppress because they're causing vaccine hesitancy, which is going to result in avoidable deaths. And Byram Bridle and a whole host of characters up there in Canada that have been just maligned is a gentlest way you could put it. Had their livelihoods stripped from them and their freedoms and everything else.   And that kind of brings us to the present. So what's happening now is that suite of technology, that portfolio, you can think of a suitcase of technologies that was used and successfully tested in the context of COVID has now been assimilated, in my opinion, by virtually all major industries all across the world. Not the least of which is the pharmaceutical industry.   So they have got a whole new kit of goodies to sell us stuff, to suppress bad news about them, et cetera, et cetera. And they are doing it on a routine basis together with their lobbying activities in the United States and everything else and their standard advertising activities. So now the whole marketing was always going back to Bernays, which we talk about Bernays' book, Bernays being a close relative of Sigmund Freud, that is credited with the origins of propaganda, the initial academic text that, for instance, asserts that the press will never engage in propaganda because it's not a good business model, basically, is what they say.   That one failed the test of time. But Bernays wrote this seminal book. And then since then, we've had this growth of these two entities in their sophistication, marketing and propaganda, particularly government propaganda, military propaganda, and they've now fused.   Just to kind of step back for a moment, we have a famous British socialist, Aldous Huxley and George Orwell, that wrote these seminal books, like Animal Farm and Brave New World in 1984, that many people don't realize that Huxley was Orwell's mentor. And Huxley in an interview in ABC or NBC American 1960s Black and White interview, I think it was 60 Minutes, spoke about these issues of propaganda and psychological manipulation of populations. And many of the things that Mattias Desmet talked about are kind of echoed or pre-anticipated by Huxley in this interview.   And Huxley asserts that it's absolutely necessary for governments to be able to use this kind of tech and in the form of the 60s, as it existed, and for their populations, a significant fraction of their populations to be susceptible to this, essentially being able to be hypnotized by this tech, because otherwise they would be ungovernable, was the justification. And the British government of today seems to really have taken that to heart. And I would argue also the Canadian government, that the likes of Keir Starmer have no moral compunctions about deploying all of this tech, as well as the heavy hand.   You mentioned that Western democracies don't have jackboots in every corner. Many people in Britain would disagree with that right now. That's a good point.   Yes, they would. So there's, and we can go into the nuances of the nature of the tech, how it relates to social media. I talk about, in particular, I like to talk about surveillance capitalism, which is this suite of technologies that scoops up all data about you that can be hacked through every possible channel, builds a, it's a functioning avatar of you.   And you as an individual, and you as a representative of various categories, you're parsed and split in a million different ways. You may be part of a category of people with beards that wear paisley ties, whatever. You get the point.   And this involves all your browsing history. This involves everything that you buy at the grocery store. Your automobile is reporting on you now, et cetera, et cetera.   (26:52 - 30:02) All that data goes into a great big bin. It gets, that's why we need to have these massive data centers. And it all gets integrated to an avatar of you.   And then that gets sold as behavioral futures. So that is sold as behavioral predictions of what makes you tick, what your politics are, what your buying habits are, what your fascination is, what your social context is, a single male or family man or whatever the thing is. All of that gets parsed and sold to people that use it.   And one of the types of uses is as the input vector. Once you have this sophisticated digital model of you, then that can be used as an input into, in particular, artificial intelligence, because this takes a lot of processing power to design the information feeds that come back to you through a variety of channels that are not only controlling the information that you see and how you feel and think. Remember, I was talking about language processing, the kinds of words you hear or read.   But it's designed to completely control your information space and your thoughts and feelings. So I argue that what they're functionally doing, because none of us are giving them the permission to acquire all this data about us and build these models. What they're functionally doing is they're stealing part of your soul and then reselling it to whomever will pay the price.   And then that's being used as a way to manipulate your thoughts, feelings, beliefs, what you are. And when you take the time to, for those that are listening, this is going to seem pretty scary for many, and it's going to take a little while to process the meaning of this. So just relax for a minute, let me get the words out, and then allow your mind to kind of think on this next time you have a cup of coffee or you're talking to your spouse or whatever.   Process this information later. But this is a world, I refer to this using Salvador Dali's images. This is a surrealistic landscape where everything is shifting and morphing because it's all reality is being manipulated based on your emotions and feelings.   That's part of the logic of why the promotion of the narrative, that there is no external reality. It's all about how you feel about things, what you believe your sexual orientation is or your gender identity, whatever the thing is, right? If you want to be a furry and believe that you're a dog, that's okay, right? Because it's your reality. It's all based on your feelings.   (30:02 - 31:56) The feelings are readily manipulated as are the sense of friendship. So we have Ezra Klein in the New York Times the other day, writing an op-ed about how his emotional needs are being fulfilled by an AI. And then he looks forward, he basically went there and talked about surrogate sexuality.   And Matt Taibbi had a field day on that one. But Her was the movie. This is the future world that is being crafted for us, is one in which artificial intelligence becomes our friend.   Remember, that's what Zuckerberg wants. He wants Facebook to be your friend, not just have real Facebook friends, but surrogates that will interact with you, that'll basically confirm whatever your biases, etc. are.   It's already happening in how the data is being fed to you, but will create a whole reality, a whole pseudo-friendship reality around you that can then be used to manage all your feelings and your political opinions, etc. I guarantee this is going on in the UK. The UK feels that it's justified because they had an election and Star Wars is in power and they can do whatever they want.   And I suspect something similar is happening in Canada. But one of the consequences of this is that it becomes very difficult to distinguish between friend and foe. We all know that because we can detect, if we have any kind of social consciousness, the presence of bots and trolls in our media space.   (31:57 - 32:46) But those are now increasingly sophisticated and AI-driven, so they're building old resumes, lifelong histories of interacting with you. You think you're interacting with somebody, but they're entirely virtual. And increasingly they're preferred because they're able to fine tune everything they're saying to get into your sweet spots.   So you can no longer tell friend from foe, which means you're further divided socially, which is one of the key parameters to introduction of totalitarianism, according to Mattias Desmet's work. And an entire cloud of reality around you is being managed so you don't know what's real and what's false. It becomes extremely difficult to determine what is objective reality, but it doesn't matter.   (32:46 - 33:49) You're being sold on the concept that objective reality doesn't even exist. It doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is how you feel and what you feel is reality.   And that is where this whole toolkit of cywar goes. And then it's got a socket of transhumanism as one of the output vectors, where humanity is obsolete, AI is necessary to rule the world because we're so incompetent, and we will all eventually upload these avatars that are being built onto the web and live forever. Which seems to be one of the major objectives of a lot of these things, like the recent conversation between Putin and Xi, talking about organ transplantation, making it possible to live for 150 years if you're of the right caste.   (33:50 - 35:03) That all this seems to drive towards this obsession that humanity has had, or certain segments of humanity have had throughout history. You know, biblical obsession with becoming God, referring to Yuval Harari, and immortality. And this, you know, the transhumanism will allow you or your virtual avatar to explore the stars because you'll no longer have to sustain the resources necessary to maintain a biologic unit in the spacecraft that is exploring the Star Trek universe.   You know, the real Star Trek is just going to be computer programs interacting in some sort of existential reality, I guess. But that's the future they're driving towards. And the question is, what the heck can an average person do about it? And that's kind of part of the other part of the title for the book.   (35:04 - 37:29) I hate to write books and book titles that are just grim. Some people like it. So Tony Lyons liked PsyWar.   Joe and I insisted that we put in as the subtitle Enforcing the New World Order, and the prior book Lies My Gov't Told Me it was End of Better Future Coming. So this book takes you towards where does this go and what can you do about it? And what are the forces impinging on you? What's the model in the global structure that's trying to be promoted by the United Nations, World Economic Forum, World Health Organization, Atlantic Council? You know, all of these entities are all moving in a certain direction. The Bank of International Settlements with the digital IDs, all of that stuff is intended to be harmonized.   I remember back, it wasn't so long ago, I thought The Great Reset was a conspiracy theory. And then I read Klaus Schwab's book, The Great Reset. I had exactly the same experience, Robert.   I thought it was a conspiracy theory, and then you read the book and you realize, no, it's not. These people are actually barking mad. And they live in their own reality bubble.   But there it is. You guys are, unfortunately, as Klaus Schwab bragged, he has inserted his people into your cabinet and into your leadership. And same as the case with the UK, some people assert that Donald Trump is also on that train.   I don't think so. But in this bizarre world of propaganda and cyborg, you can't be sure of anything except what I keep going back to is the one thing that you as an individual and your listening audience have to discern reality and truth is your soul. You have this fundamental thing, so long as you don't kill it by compromising all the time and eating away at it through all the little life choices that people find themselves making.   (37:32 - 38:02) Human mind and soul have an amazing ability to discern truth and to detect falsehoods. Not always. I've got some certain weaknesses.   I fall for the aw shucks ploy. And I've learned over time to whenever somebody acts like, oh, I'm just a down home, normal guy, you don't have to worry about me. That's when my radar just starts screaming.   (38:04 - 40:18) Because if they're really that person, they don't have to actively project that. But we have this ability and I think that it's important to listen to it. It's like the only thing we have in this crafted reality surrounding us is that sense of what is true and whether you can actually trust somebody, which gives rise in a favorable way to this.   One of the new trends is talk about the trust economy. The likes of you and I with podcasting, we have to be super careful to remain consistent in our brand, our position, which in my case is basically truth telling. It's a temptation.   I get people coming at me all the time. Can I put an ad? A thousand bucks a post. Who doesn't want free money like that? Well, you take it and you sell your soul.   And so, yeah, it does come at a cost. And I've seen that price extracted from other colleagues in this medical freedom space and have seen them kind of turn into shells of what they were previously. So stay true to yourself, stay true to your soul, build local community.   I'm a big advocate for monogamous long-term relationships and all the benefits that come with that, benefits that come with family. And I was on a podcast the other day that also ran along from a guy that has really been involved in the organic food movement since the 60s in New York, in upstate New York. And he really hammered home the logic that if you want to be a small farmer and engage in a rural lifestyle, one of the things you have to remember is to really be a good community member.   (40:19 - 41:24) And by taking care to treat people right and being a good member of the community, it comes back to you, not to make it transactional, but it comes back in a myriad of ways. And I think that's one of the nice things. Here, I live about an hour and a half from D.C. intentionally in a very rural county.   And a lot of the people around me know me. They know what I do, podcasting and advocacy work, and down to the level of the local sheriff's office. And they support me and I support them.   If I have an opportunity, the other day, I have to put down some asphalt because the front of my driveway washes out too much when we get big rains. So I got three bids, but I selected the local family-owned contractor. Was that the best choice? We'll see, but he's a member of my community.   (41:26 - 42:30) And that gets to the Think Global, Act Local. So that's where I think all this goes is, there are dark forces going on. And if you doubt it, just look at this character that used to be head of the Immunization Safety Office at the CDC that we referred to earlier in our discussion, that resigned.   Apparently, he was streaming a satanic ritual last Christmas. The tone-deafness of that kind of boggles my mind, but these people are out there, and Satanists and others that are not invested in a Judeo-Christian ethical tradition. And to deny that that's existing is to just set yourself up to be used.   (42:32 - 44:02) And there's, from looking across the border to Canada, from where I sit, there's some really dark forces acting on Canada right now. And I hope you all can persevere through it. Yeah, I hope so as well.   Now, Robert, I know you have things to do, so there's just no way we're going to get to everything I'd wanted to discuss today, but if I can impose on you to answer one more question, because it's highly relevant to what you've just said over the last 10 minutes. You mentioned the need for this psychological warfare against a government's own populace, because the statement was, otherwise they would be ungovernable. That's the thing that triggers the question, because when we talk about governance, we've got a political spectrum from libertarianism on one end, which believes in minimal government, to totalitarian control on the other end that wants to control every aspect of a person's life.   And you began by explaining that psychological warfare originally was being used against enemies, which I think everybody can understand that would be actually a desirable thing. But now it's being turned back on us. And we discussed some of the reasons for this in the first part of this interview, where it's, you know, for those of you who didn't already know this, obviously, anytime you talk about politics, there's a lot of individual interests there, money, basically, that's influencing what's happening.   (44:03 - 45:09) But the question that comes to me- Money, power, all kinds of things. Right. And let's take Canada as an example, because you're absolutely right.   Canada has reached a point where I, as an independent journalist in this country who has been investigating this kind of thing now for years, I can be very confident in making the blanket statement that every major narrative that is coming from our federal government right now is an outright lie that is being supported and pushed upon the people through psychological warfare. And so the question that comes to me is, okay, sure, there's, there's some money interest there. I get that.   But why would a supposedly democratic government want that level of control over the people? So one of my core positions is that I'm not a mind reader and I'm certainly not a mind reader of governments, let alone individuals. All we can look at is the artifacts around what they're doing and infer from that motive. You know, this is akin to the follow the money logic.   (45:15 - 46:56) Very, there is this, there are things going on in Canada that are very analogous to things going on in Ireland and the UK and Northern Europe, et cetera, particularly involving immigration or what some might say is population replacement. And then we have these documents that are coming from and interviews and statements that are coming from people in positions of control and power involving vast wealth and resources, like say Blackrock and Vanguard State Street and the various banking families, et cetera. So there's, it's undeniable that there are a very large vested financial interest involved in attempting to manage risk, maintain profitability, power and control as we move through what they seem to perceive as a singularity, a nexus, an event that they perceive as extremely threatening that involves finance and liquidity and sustainability in a financial sense.   (46:57 - 49:25) And there seems, my sense in terms of what's going on beyond just the routine chronic quest for power that has characterized human history of certain individuals, there also seems to be a persistent sense of a threat of a major financial catastrophic event. And that was part of what was driving the Klaus Schwab logic. There seems to be great fear of civil unrest.   And one way to mitigate the risk of civil unrest is to implement methods to control the thinking and feeling and beliefs of civilians. As there is the belief that a increasingly scarce resources overpopulation, the narrative of climate change creates significant risk of economic disruption. And this is a group that are very invested in the way things are.   And what they don't want is what Silicon Valley investors call disruptive technologies, disruptive change. They want to be able to manage change in a way that they will maintain their status. So I think that what we're looking at is an encountering, is a suite of policies and actions, strategies and tactics designed in part to manage these large financial interest stakeholdings through this singularity event or point of intersection that appears to be driven to a significant extent by the confluence of computational technology, artificial intelligence, robotics, et cetera, mechanization, you know, they call it fifth industrial revolution.   (49:28 - 50:19) So they very much seem to see that on the horizon. And when they run the numbers and the calculations and their projections, what they see is that they, among other things, they will have a problem with independent populations. And they have a problem with a population base that exceeds the need in terms of fulfilling their requirements in a world in which they have a widely available, inexpensive, functionally slaves in the old model, but now they're mechanical slaves, computational slaves that they can direct and get to do their stuff.   (50:20 - 52:05) Just the same as the Roman Empire was built by slavery, but it's a different kind of slavery. So that's a slavery that makes a lot of human capital surplus redundant. What are you going to do with it? Well, if you don't take care of it, it's going to revolt, you don't feed it, and it's going to disrupt everything.   So how are you going to control it? How are you going to manage it through this transition? Are you going to get it to do things? I mean, people often speculate it's another one of these conspiracy things that nobody wants to say, but a lot of these agendas having to do with social trends are counterproductive for reproductive health. We'll just say it that way. And so, if you look at the event horizon, it's certainly consistent with the hypothesis of intentional depopulation.   Is there any justification that intentional depopulation is on the table? Well, yeah, there's the Kissinger report, among others. So in the statements made directly in WEF meetings and stuff like that by a lot of this elite or the managers of the elite assets. So I don't know the answer.   It's not my pay grade. They don't invite me to the Atlantic Council or the Aspen Institute or any of those things. But you can look at, as they say, by their actions, you will know them.   (52:07 - 53:23) And what I see is a pattern that's consistent with this perceived threat that is significantly a financial threat and the need to somehow manage the system through that threat horizon. There are a number of tools which apparently will include digital ID and central bank digital currency. This is very hard to square the circle of why the obsession over those two things in a world in which we have power interruptions and internet interruptions are routine.   And you're not even sure if you're going to have an airline flight back. But they think that somehow forcing us all off of traditional mechanisms for financial transactions or barter have to be supplanted by some centralized digital mechanism. And that we all need to be controlled in a very CCP kind of model kind of way.   (53:29 - 54:30) So, that seems to be the vector. And if so, then what are your options? And it becomes a very much a, you referred to libertarianism. Anne Rand, I suspect, is still going to be read a century from now because a lot of what she puts down about totalitarianism and human society and alternative societies and individuals who are freethinkers, thinking of Fountainhead, as opposed to Atlas Shrugs, seem to be aligned with what we see as trends in modern society.   (54:31 - 56:45) And so, for me personally, having consumed all those books about a decade and a half ago, I went all in on on Galt's Gulch. And I live it now. I live in my little slice of paradise with my wife.   And I'm not saying the rest of the world can go to hell, but I still do my best to make things better for everyone. But I'm not going to sacrifice a homestead. So, I hope I've answered your question.   I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know why they're doing it. I don't know where exactly this is going.   I see the artifacts that your government is, and that of the UK and many others, are compromised by some sort of a global consortium that is driving towards unified social and economic structures that involve what the likes of you and I may consider to be imposition of a digital totalitarianism. Right. And I think you did answer the question, Robert.   So, to summarize it for myself and for my viewers, and I'm going to pick specifically on the Canadian government here, the answer to why a supposedly democratic government would want that level of control is systemic corruption. That they have reached a point where they are no longer working for the Canadian people. In fact, they're working against the Canadian people in favor of, let us say, the principalities and powers who control them.   And they have an agenda. And that agenda, in order to get the cooperation of the Canadian people, requires planting in their minds a false reality, the thing that you referred to earlier. Yeah.   I think that is a pretty good working model that fits the data. All right. Robert, thank you so much for the generous gift of your time this morning.   We've gone far over the hour that I asked you for. So, thank you again. And I really look forward to finally meeting you in person in a few weeks at the Reclaiming Canada Conference here in Calgary.   (56:46 - 57:03) Thanks, Will. And thanks for the opportunity to chat and explore these things. I learned a lot from these interactions too.   So, I really appreciate the richness of thought and interaction. It brings a lot of value to my life. So, thank you.   (57:04 - 57:05) Thank you, sir.